Why did Geffen decide to not pull the trigger on this project. He had two videos (one for each single). I'm listening to this album now and it's good, the production is real nice with some cool lyrics. I can't see how with a little push this album would have failed. Was it dropping during the jiggy era?
What was the deal? I think this album not dropping really messed up his career. He should be bigger than what he is IMO.
But, I still needed to have a mastered copy of Queens Lounge, Have Fun, Dancing Girl, and some of the other tracks. I had the Mad Scientist and IJUSWANNACHILL singles, so I was good there.
It could've/should've been much bigger, but it is what it is at the end of the day.
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4. "The expectations for him at that time were beyond what the LP delivered" In response to Reply # 0
>Why did Geffen decide to not pull the trigger on this >project. He had two videos (one for each single). I'm >listening to this album now and it's good, the production is >real nice with some cool lyrics. I can't see how with a little >push this album would have failed. Was it dropping during the >jiggy era? > >What was the deal? I think this album not dropping really >messed up his career. He should be bigger than what he is IMO. >
Main Source 1st album was a classic. "Fakin' The Funk" was a classic. Then Large Pro made a very strong statement on Tribe's "Keep It Rollin" which had his buzz way up.
The album probably sounds better in retrospect because his post Main Source career is a bit all over the place. But my first listen to the bootleg had me feeling like it was a 3, 3.5 outta 5 at best. Plus it was 2 years too late people were expecting it in '94, the singles dropped maybe late '95, early '96.
There are multiple versions of the bootleg. I'm sure the later versions are stronger than the first bootleg which was probably the real album. The first bootleg I heard was pretty short with only about 13 full songs (no Nas feature), 5 of which were already available on his two singles. I found the first two singles to be really good but maybe a little too old school to connect with the newer rap audience. Geffen's never done a particularly good job of promoting rap artists, so there you have it.
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6. "I agree that his post main source career is all over the place" In response to Reply # 4
I liked 1st Class quite a bit. I have the "Main Source" album but have yet to give it a spin. He's a weird case I guess in that he's a well respected producer who made some strong rap classic joints rapping. He held down the first Main Source album mostly dolo so why when his solo shot comes up...no dice?
7. "Main Source album dropped in 91. His big guest spot on Tribe was in 93." In response to Reply # 6
>I liked 1st Class quite a bit. I have the "Main Source" album >but have yet to give it a spin. He's a weird case I guess in >that he's a well respected producer who made some strong rap >classic joints rapping. He held down the first Main Source >album mostly dolo so why when his solo shot comes up...no >dice?
Illmatic came out in 1994 which was a big look for him on the production side. Main Source came back again without him and put out a single (for their shelved 2nd album) in 1994. "Mad Scientist" didn't come out until 1996. That same year Nas blows up with his 2nd album and he wasn't involved in it at all. When you looked at the timeline you can see how Large Professor probably kept his fans waiting too long. _________________________________________ The Combat Jack Show is the best hip-hop related internet radio show http://thecombatjackshow.com/
10. "I feel ya. How do you feel about the album being 2 years late though?" In response to Reply # 9 Tue Jun-04-13 02:02 PM by micMajestic
I still contend that he would have been better off if he dropped late 1994 as opposed to his singles dropping in 1996. _________________________________________ The Combat Jack Show is the best hip-hop related internet radio show http://thecombatjackshow.com/
13. "To be honest man....I was like 5 years old lmao" In response to Reply # 10
I don't feel anything about that really lol, but judging on the hip hop that came out in 94 compared to 96 he probably would have been better off commercially had he released the album in 94. i agree with you
5. "the album is available on Spotify that's why I brought it up." In response to Reply # 0
I'm listening to it now and it's pretty good. I think Large Pro has a lane and he stayed in it. Would it have gone platinum probably not but I see this could have been a solid 400,000 records sold album.
8. "Extra P is one of my favorite artsts ever, period" In response to Reply # 0
and it's arguable that be bested Nas on 1+1 at the peak of his powers, that verse he did was so ill
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15. "we'll have to disagree on this one" In response to Reply # 12
EP's verse was no clean up, he really took it there in regards to the whole package Nas' verse always struck me as being too long
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16. "I apologize his verse was no slouch I'm just saying" In response to Reply # 15
I don't think it's better than the Nas contribution. I respect your opinion on it though. Pro is a great producer (except 1 time for yo mind the only song I don't care for on Illmatic).
17. "no apology needed, I feel you" In response to Reply # 16
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18. "Honestly, I found it a bit disappointing..." In response to Reply # 0
I too bought a bootleg long time back and have heard the one on spotify too and I felt it was a bit too laidback and the beats-while nice-somewhat uninspired; not as good as I expected. I don't know, I think he would have made a better album in like 93 or so when beats were hyper and less minimalist and repetitive. He was very good with bridges, switchups, filtered basslines, layering etc. and to my memory, most of this record was straight loops. I may be wrong though, I need to play it again. Actually, I prefer some of his later albums.
I loved the "Mad scientist'' 12" though-that's an ill cut, I just wish more songs were on that level...
20. "what's the problem with loops?" In response to Reply # 18
I don't get that critique, explain please
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21. "there's no problems with loops of course..." In response to Reply # 20
I just like it more when he had new things coming in during the course of a song in layers as an addition to the main loop like on ''Fakin the funk" or many songs on "Breaking atoms"...
22. "ah I get what you're saying now" In response to Reply # 21
dude is a real mastermind with the beats like that, he did it well on Key To The City I thought
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Dj Joey Joe Member since Sep 01st 2007 13770 posts
Tue Jun-04-13 06:08 PM
19. "Geffen Wanted More While Large Pro Gave Them Less (Than Expected)" In response to Reply # 0
I was one of those who was hyped about Large Professor getting signed to Geffen but I kind of knew it was going to fall thru when I saw how much promotion was done thru the artist's side and not the label.
The Roots, GZA, Killah Priest, & were the the only rap artists on that label at the time and signing Large Professor was like them trying to establish their rap roster but I think the head of the rap department was expecting more from him than what they paid for, cause from listening to the 1st bootleg/leaked version of the album, it was short basic, and nothing was really going to hit high on the charts other than the two 12inches they already released.
I'm not sure if Large Pro wanted to give them any other tunes cause I think the label wanted more features from the artists he has produced for than just him solo; but I also remember talking with a label rep and asked what was the deal on the hold up and two things they said was (1)sample clearances were one of the problems, and the budget already being maxed out, (2) the label wanted him to bring more songs to the table but he didn't want to give them anymore than what he gave them.
Years later yeah the album would get various unofficial releases with bonus tracks but that's after the fact of what was originally was going to be released, personally the album sound kind of dated about two to three years if it did get released in 1997-1998.
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