(Or MJ's management if not him)

Poll result (36 votes) He made the right choice (8 votes) Vote He should have picked "You don't have to call" (27 votes) Vote I'm Maxx...that turkey Pharrell sucks, MJ made the right call (1 votes) Vote

MJ made You Rock My World, while the Neptunes made U Don't have to call. Usher just got in where he fit in. I think while MJ didn't pick the hottest song he picked the right one for him. It all worked out.

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I'm picking purely in terms of the better song...."You Don't have To Call"...MJ would have turned that joint out.....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

nothing MJ made was gonna pop at that time. i like You Rock My World better anyway.

<--- Big Baller World Order

People were gonna check for the new MJ joint regardless.
And seeing how "You Don't Have To Call" was a hit for even
Usher, it would have been an even bigger hit for MJ. I think
"You Rock My World" would have damn near flopped as an
Usher single. He would have had to rush release something
better to counter it, even.

can't you at least play with your crayons or watch blues clues instead of a corn ball poll like this turkey?

u don't have to call" was cool for Usher and it stil didn't do for him what "Yeah" and Confessions" did for him.

you rock my world was a Hit and it worked for MJ in a adult way.

MJ singing U don't have to call was beneath him. he did colder cuts as B sides way back in the day.

and neither one of those tracks are exactly money tracks so please Alex try again.

both them tracks are cute catchy like cotton candy until it sticks all over you and you are hungry for something that sticks.

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>can't you at least play with your crayons or watch blues
>clues instead of a corn ball poll like this turkey?
>
>u don't have to call" was cool for Usher and it stil didn't do
>for him what "Yeah" and Confessions" did for him.
>
>you rock my world was a Hit and it worked for MJ in a adult
>way.
>
>MJ singing U don't have to call was beneath him. he did
>colder cuts as B sides way back in the day.
>
>and neither one of those tracks are exactly money tracks so
>please Alex try again.
>
>both them tracks are cute catchy like cotton candy until it
>sticks all over you and you are hungry for something that
>sticks.


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you wouldn't know the Genius of MJ if a history book was in front of you jive turkey

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I was hoping MJ would come back with a classic. That was hard to take when that album dropped I never liked Rodney Jerkins sound very soulless IMO. Fuck too bad MJ didn't get another shot to drop a gem on us. Didn't really like dangerous much either. Mike still one of the goats though.

that mess they put out is beneath in so many ways. Usher had no choice and for the record Usher ain't never made a memorable song, however he has had hits however that is a big difference.

Usher ain't got no songs that is timeless. i can always tell a push button ear listening cat from a cat who grew up around words and music.

and once you understand what Michael Joe Jackson was about musically you see ordinary things got when you gotta debate two at best side b 4th song tracks to fill up space on an album is debated for merit for him to release?

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look he told Sony where they could go and he owned his masters, made all that money off the publishing and he just gave them an album to be done with his contract and he hated mottola and that album still made some paper despite only one video and hardly little to no push.

veteren acts get like that all the time and I don't want this to be an only MJ thing because acts do contract obligation records all the time.

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considering what a perfectionist he was.

never were cool and mottola dangled his contract over him in terms of getting his masters back, however MJ was cleared to bounce and he talked smack to mottola. mottola went into vendetta mode against MJ and mottola still crying in his book. MJ walked away clean there,however he didn't want to give sony another dime and i don't blame him.

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but his music?

and by the end of the recording, the focus wasn't there

but that's what I believe happened. That album could've been so much better....


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he was tired of it all, touring and the press release and the studio period.

and lets be real he worked with whomever was happening and ran the session and did whatever he felt like doing, i mean the guy grew up performing and in a studio for oh but 90& of his entire being.

his 50 years here on earth about 45 were in some form or capacity of show business. we love it as fans, however all that politics of having a hit record, touring and having people tug at you and grab at you pretty much every since you could walk is going to make you want to get away.

and the man truly had done it all before he was 30 when you think about it.

nothing left for him to accomplish.

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and he was tired of it. bottom line he wasn't going to do any more than he had to do. IMO break of dawn and Butterflies were classic MJ.

whatever happens was a muture MJ and Heaven can wait was a modern MJ.

not all a total loss.

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wasn't michael having issues with sony then?

sony didn't seem to even promote the album that much.

and it was a freakin' michael jackson album.

even bigger if he is walking anyway? and mj knew all you need is a couple of bangers and the record sells itself

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That could be the biggest let down ever for me.I wanted to come out letting folk know who's king in case they forgot. Shame

i mean what else did he ever have to Prove after "Dangerous"? he still made money tracks and still toured and was a Superstar and did things up and big.

by the time Invincible came out he was just going through the motions, however it ain't like he had to prove anything else.

he will always be at the table of the baddest to ever do it musically period IMO.

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I live in the real would and have my ears open. Dangerous had good singles but the album gets a C grade overall. You known there was a lot of negativity around Mike and his public image was at an all time low when invincible dropped. Bad decisions and music caused the album to flop losing tons of money. You say the neptunes tracks were beneath him? Who ever pick Jerkins to produce the albums was smokin rocks. Honestly it could be a conspiracy powers that be didn't want MJ on top paid off his team to get him involved on a wack dismissable album. Makes sense now that I think about it.

destiny through dangerous was MJ at his best as a album artist.

his soulful peak and prime was 69-82.

to me from "bad" onwards he was hit and miss. dangerous was a really good album and had he had a killer slow jam or two it would have been almost on par with off the wall and thriller imo.

history was hit and miss imo. some things worked and some things were b sides.

blood on the dancefloor aside from a couple of tracks was forgettable imo.

invincible was a C- album. the uptempo cuts were beneath mj and i only liked a handful of tracks on them.

however the sum of his greatness as artist is what made him great. to me invincible was te first time to me where he sounded very ordinary aside from break of dawn and butterflies

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>Usher ain't never made a
>memorable song, however he has had hits however that is a big
>difference.
>
>Usher ain't got no songs that is timeless.

<--- Big Baller World Order

please do tell. i mean Usher is a good Artist with a very successful career, and has an impact however it ain't like turkeys are covering Usher songs or they are re making confessions, yeah, u remind me, u don't have to call, burn, u make me wanna, i mean his songs are tight for the moment and the time, however it ain't like you got alot of cats covering his songs too tough.

Usher is a Good Artist and with the right material could be even better, however he ain't had nobody bring the juice to him and get that record out of him period.

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totally a classic cut to me.

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cmon Maxxx stop w/ all that. them first two are basically undeniable to anyone that aint got an agenda.

<--- Big Baller World Order

and he ain't the only big act with this problem mariah carey got the same issue as well.

hit songs, don't necessary mean memorable songs.

put it like this if usher made a classic song tommorow he would act like 85% of his catelog didn't count believe that and he still ain't made that cut yet imo,he good however far from great or memorable

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is even close to an undeniable timeless classic cut.

is too slow/sensual to be a major hit for last decade. But it's no way to deny that track

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This was real underground, but the Main Attrakionz cut with that looped under it was beautiful.


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definitely put him in a respectable zone, especially judging by the length of time he's been out there.

being covered and to put it anotther way one of usher's musical idol's bobby brown simply had better cuts, now usher out lasted him, etc.. however this is what i mean bobby got 2-3 cuts that are timeless.

usher? not so much

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entire career in terms of songs that matter to the cannon, even though you can argue Usher had a longer more successful career.

"Yeah" was just one of the songs that launched Confessions to sell over 10 million copies...

I'm with a lot of folks on this thread...I'm not a huge Usher fan (I liked 8701 more than Confessions)....But the actual single "Confessions" was even more impactful when it came to his huge black fanbase...Sure "Yeah" was his biggest "pop" record...But there were other huge songs on that album...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

'Confessions' in 20 years.

You might still here 'Yeah' but that's about it as far as Usher songs that actually capture the general public's attention long-term.

>'Confessions' in 20 years.
>
>You might still here 'Yeah' but that's about it as far as
>Usher songs that actually capture the general public's
>attention long-term.


It's about the entire package, Bomb....We can get into how much Usher contributed to the success of that Confessions album (JD was playing puppet master, right?)...

My point is the success of that album was bigger than just one song...It involved the storyline of making people believe that this was a R&B concept album (something rarely made)...And in order to experience Confessions, you had to buy the entire album....Not just "Yeah"...Confessions is Usher's defining moment...It's HIS classic...

So yeah...the tabloid angle played well...But a lot of great albums play an angle (Janet's Control album---her whole Ms. Independent storyline comes to mind...)

That's kind of moot....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>>'Confessions' in 20 years.
>>
>>You might still here 'Yeah' but that's about it as far as
>>Usher songs that actually capture the general public's
>>attention long-term.
>
>
>It's about the entire package, Bomb....We can get into how
>much Usher contributed to the success of that Confessions
>album (JD was playing puppet master, right?)...
>
>My point is the success of that album was bigger than just one
>song...It involved the storyline of making people believe that
>this was a R&B concept album (something rarely made)...And in
>order to experience Confessions, you had to buy the entire
>album....Not just "Yeah"...Confessions is Usher's defining
>moment...It's HIS classic...
>
I don't care about HIS classic. For MC Hammer Please Hammer Don't Hurt Him is HIS classic but it doesn't MATTER now.

>So yeah...the tabloid angle played well...But a lot of great
>albums play an angle (Janet's Control album---her whole Ms.
>Independent storyline comes to mind...)
>
>That's kind of moot....

I don't know what you're really trying to say, the album was very popular for a lot of reasons. So was Boyz II Men's II. Nobody cares now tho.

ain't nobody caring about no Usher cofessions now let alone 10 years from now, moment in time thing period.

Usher outlasted Bobby Brown, however Brown had the money tracks folks still care about. Usher ain't got 5 songs to put up shop and travel all over the world with and he knows it.

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and for the record i like Usher and think he is a good artist, however he hasn't been challenged with that cut yet and he settled and allowed himself as well as the folks around him to live, stay and ride in Mj's shadow.

having big hits and success is different than a money cut.

i mean even beyonce has "crazy in love" that is as close to a signature cut she has.

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>and for the record i like Usher and think he is a good
>artist, however he hasn't been challenged with that cut yet
>and he settled and allowed himself as well as the folks around
>him to live, stay and ride in Mj's shadow.
>
>having big hits and success is different than a money cut.
>
agreed.

>i mean even beyonce has "crazy in love" that is as close to
>a signature cut she has.

Yeah, that's probably the one. 'Single Ladies' is probably bigger/more-iconic than any of Usher's songs either.

and yes, it's a classic. it helped define the sound of its era, like it or not.

we know Lil Jon did most of the heavy lifting on that song, but when you ask the gen pop they'll say that's an Usher song. and they'll also tell you they just heard that song in the club - probably played in a medley w/'Get Low' and 'Saltshaker'. the last time i heard the song was in Las Vegas last yr - in 3 clubs, always played in a medley as described above. LOL

fuck you.

and became Usher's biggest song because Lil Jon's sound (along with Luda's feature prime) reached its zeitgeist at that moment.

Otherwise, Usher doesn't really have a song that's going to be considered a classic cut on the level of the other artists we're talking about in this thread.

and i wonder about 'U Don't Have To Call', 'Burn', and 'Confessions'. let alone 'U Got It Bad'.

i'm no Usher stan but i wouldn't say the man has no classics. that Confessions album is undoubtedly an R&B classic and it crossed over big time. like i said previously: ask the gen pop (aka white ppl too) about Usher and i expect they'll remember 'Yeah' easily.

and, how could i forget 'OMG'. that's easily a classic too. again, ask the gen pop. that was a huge hit, worldwide. regardless of how you feel about it personally, ppl all over the world have spoken on that 1.

i think his legacy includes: 'Yeah', Confessions (the album), and 'OMG'. <-- surefire classics, IMO. 'classics' meaning, the ppl (gen pop, including white ppl all over, not just yours or maxx's hood) embraced those songs when they were out and still remember and/or like (if not love) those songs. they defined the sound of their eras.

edit: i forgot 'DJ's Got Us Falling In Love'. that was an even bigger hit than 'OMG'. maybe replace everything i said about 'OMG' w/that 1. LOL. they worked the same way.

fuck you.

>and i wonder about 'U Don't Have To Call', 'Burn', and
>'Confessions'. let alone 'U Got It Bad'.
>
>i'm no Usher stan but i wouldn't say the man has no classics.
>that Confessions album is undoubtedly an R&B classic and it
>crossed over big time. like i said previously: ask the gen
>pop (aka white ppl too) about Usher and i expect they'll
>remember 'Yeah' easily.
>
>and, how could i forget 'OMG'. that's easily a classic too.
>again, ask the gen pop. that was a huge hit, worldwide.
>regardless of how you feel about it personally, ppl all over
>the world have spoken on that 1.
>
>i think his legacy includes: 'Yeah', Confessions (the album),
>and 'OMG'. <-- surefire classics, IMO. 'classics' meaning,
>the ppl (gen pop, including white ppl all over, not just yours
>or maxx's hood) embraced those songs when they were out and
>still remember and/or like (if not love) those songs. they
>defined the sound of their eras.
>
>edit: i forgot 'DJ's Got Us Falling In Love'. that was an
>even bigger hit than 'OMG'. maybe replace everything i said
>about 'OMG' w/that 1. LOL. they worked the same way.




^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

he's had hits, obviously he has.

I'm saying that outside of 'Yeah' (maybe 'OMG' even tho it's terrible) he doesn't really have the type of hits that will be long lasting.

Already a lot of those other Confessions-era joints (Burn, the title track, Caught Up) are kinda forgotten.

I don't expect you to hear those in another decade the way people still do big Prince, MJ, Madonna, Whitney, Mariah, even Beyonce songs.

if for no other reason than b/c they were huge songs among high school and college kids who'll be into re-living their glory days via music. but they could also come back b/c the future youth generation discovers and recontextualizes 00's music on some retro-revision shit. regardless of your personal feelings about those songs, many thought and still think some of Usher's stuff was well-made and very representative of the era. so when ppl look back on the 00s for music, they're very likely to find Usher's hits.

like it or not, Usher's got hits that i think will last.

note: i think the main problem some of us are having w/Usher's stuff is easily understood. music from 10 yrs ago usually sounds stale to us. i recall in the 00s, ppl clowned 90s music mercilessly. myself included. but now, 20 yrs later...it's creeping back. along w/90s fashion. so i say give that 00s music about 10 or 20 yrs and see what the kids think about it then. see if they don't do something w/it that makes it seem fresh to them. you may not be into it then...but you'll be old. even older than you were in the 00s when that stuff was new. and even older than you are today as you shake your cane at it. lol

fuck you.

>if for no other reason than b/c they were huge songs among
>high school and college kids who'll be into re-living their
>glory days via music. but they could also come back b/c the
>future youth generation discovers and recontextualizes 00's
>music on some retro-revision shit. regardless of your
>personal feelings about those songs, many thought and still
>think some of Usher's stuff was well-made and very
>representative of the era. so when ppl look back on the 00s
>for music, they're very likely to find Usher's hits.
>
>like it or not, Usher's got hits that i think will last.
>
>note: i think the main problem some of us are having w/Usher's
>stuff is easily understood. music from 10 yrs ago usually
>sounds stale to us. i recall in the 00s, ppl clowned 90s
>music mercilessly. myself included. but now, 20 yrs
>later...it's creeping back. along w/90s fashion. so i say
>give that 00s music about 10 or 20 yrs and see what the kids
>think about it then. see if they don't do something w/it that
>makes it seem fresh to them. you may not be into it
>then...but you'll be old. even older than you were in the 00s
>when that stuff was new. and even older than you are today as
>you shake your cane at it. lol


Again^^^^^^^

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

understand the word classic.

R.kelly got classic songs and Albums.

you tell me Usher got a song from 15 years ago still like that? 10 years ago like that? I don't think so.

i name artists who have classsic material and I can name acts who had big hits and a big moment or moments there is a big difference.

it ain't a my hood your hood thing its a worldwide thing and Usher ain't that deep. a good artist and a very successful career, however it ain't like he got that one song that made folks stand still.

that one song is like winning that Chip and sorry but Usher isn't even a runner up but more like in the conference finals and he went 6 games.

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fuck you.

next time you go to the mail or a place in general and sit and wait for those so called classics to be played, you going to be waiting a while.

big hits and a successful career no doubt, however them ain't money cuts.

that coconut head turkey was on dancing with the stars a few years back doing a cocktail lounge version of "yeah" because to John and Mary Q that is all they kinda know by him and him forever jacking MJ.

i had some ushers tapes and discs and believe me most that stuff got stale like western family bread. Usher could have some money tracks if he up his game and stop settling for any and everything. and yeah he has had some hits,etc.. over the past 9 years however his peak and prime was 01-04 imo.

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fuck you.

>and became Usher's biggest song because Lil Jon's sound
>(along with Luda's feature prime) reached its zeitgeist at
>that moment.
>
>Otherwise, Usher doesn't really have a song that's going to be
>considered a classic cut on the level of the other artists
>we're talking about in this thread.


lol....man...I can't believe I'm taking up for Usher...But this is all the way wrong...

Now it's about to the level of other artists when it first got into whether or not Usher HIMSELF had classics?

Usher has a few classics...Whether or not they are on MJ's level (example) is not worth discussing...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

>>and became Usher's biggest song because Lil Jon's sound
>>(along with Luda's feature prime) reached its zeitgeist at
>>that moment.
>>
>>Otherwise, Usher doesn't really have a song that's going to
>be
>>considered a classic cut on the level of the other artists
>>we're talking about in this thread.
>
>
>lol....man...I can't believe I'm taking up for Usher...But
>this is all the way wrong...
>
>Now it's about to the level of other artists when it first got
>into whether or not Usher HIMSELF had classics?
>
that sentence is a mess, my dude.

>Usher has a few classics...Whether or not they are on MJ's
>level (example) is not worth discussing...
>
>
Nah, not really. 'Yeah' is probably it.

>>>and became Usher's biggest song because Lil Jon's sound
>>>(along with Luda's feature prime) reached its zeitgeist at
>>>that moment.
>>>
>>>Otherwise, Usher doesn't really have a song that's going to
>>be
>>>considered a classic cut on the level of the other artists
>>>we're talking about in this thread.
>>
>>
>>lol....man...I can't believe I'm taking up for Usher...But
>>this is all the way wrong...
>>
>>Now it's about to the level of other artists when it first
>got
>>into whether or not Usher HIMSELF had classics?
>>
>that sentence is a mess, my dude.
>
>>Usher has a few classics...Whether or not they are on MJ's
>>level (example) is not worth discussing...
>>
>>
>Nah, not really. 'Yeah' is probably it.

It's easy for us jaded old heads to look back at the '00's in that way...But like SoWhat said, music always seem to comeback for the demographic that was actually impacted by that music...

In other words, it doesn't matter what WE say...

Because the folks that were 14, 16, 18 when Usher was in his prime will be remembering more than "Yeah"...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

I had extremely high hopes for Usher. "U make me wanna" and "U remind me" were sooooo good. I know 'Yeah' was big in the clubs and all that....but musically, it was really a step backwards imo. I was disappointed. He went synthy when he already had a really nice warm musical thing going. Went from warmth to icy cold. I didn't even buy 'confessions' cause I didn't like the direction. Whatever...he followed the trend instead of going for the timeless angle. Cause I'd bet his early stuff is gonna sound better in 20 years without being dated.

.

one of the few songs on invincible i do like.

i'm suprised at these poll results.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

You Rock My World is a sleeper classic - I felt underwhelmed when it dropped but I still rock the shit out of that jam, no pun intended. Also the Jigga remix was ice cold. YRMW is dancey and classy, straight up.

People thinkin Dangerous is a 'C' are out of their goddamn minds. It's not Motown Off the Wall album but it's equally standout imo - new jack swing classic! Sorry but trying to impose the soul sound on MJ and acting like that's his only redeeming aesthetic is unacceptably limiting. MJ is a pop star not an R&B lounge act. Ask people who went to the Dangerous tour if that album was lacking - that shit instigated mass hysteria.

Are you fucking kidding me right now?
I'm about to drop a list of absolute gems from that album and you just keep sippin that sour cucumber-ass Haterade.

Jam
In the Closet
Remember the Time
Heal the World
Black or White
Who is It
Give In to Me
Will You Be there
Keep the Faith
Dangerous

And as far as the 'filler' - I can appreciate:
Why you Wanna Trip on Me
She Drives me Wild
Can't Let Her Get Away

the Babyface "Gone Too Soon" is a skippable for me but even that I can appreciate on some level

Now then, yes, I would be lying if I said Invincible was not mostly pathetic but ignoring its highs would be equally wasteful - and these are real highs.

Heaven Can Wait
Butterflies
Break of Dawn
You Rock My World

those 4 tracks belong in the pantheon - nuff said. Just stop listening after track 7 and you're good - solid EP.

You're so mad right now.

the imperfect is our paradise - wallace stevens

save for Remember The Time and Closet

I think its a generation/age thing that makes folks love it becasue they came of age during the D years and not the previous albums


ck My World is a sleeper classic - I felt underwhelmed
>when it dropped but I still rock the shit out of that jam, no
>pun intended. Also the Jigga remix was ice cold. YRMW is
>dancey and classy, straight up.
>
>People thinkin Dangerous is a 'C' are out of their goddamn
>minds. It's not Motown Off the Wall album but it's equally
>standout imo - new jack swing classic! Sorry but trying to
>impose the soul sound on MJ and acting like that's his only
>redeeming aesthetic is unacceptably limiting. MJ is a pop
>star not an R&B lounge act. Ask people who went to the
>Dangerous tour if that album was lacking - that shit
>instigated mass hysteria.
>
>Are you fucking kidding me right now?
>I'm about to drop a list of absolute gems from that album and
>you just keep sippin that sour cucumber-ass Haterade.
>
>Jam
>In the Closet
>Remember the Time
>Heal the World
>Black or White
>Who is It
>Give In to Me
>Will You Be there
>Keep the Faith
>Dangerous
>
>And as far as the 'filler' - I can appreciate:
>Why you Wanna Trip on Me
>She Drives me Wild
>Can't Let Her Get Away
>
>the Babyface "Gone Too Soon" is a skippable for me but even
>that I can appreciate on some level
>
>Now then, yes, I would be lying if I said Invincible was not
>mostly pathetic but ignoring its highs would be equally
>wasteful - and these are real highs.
>
>Heaven Can Wait
>Butterflies
>Break of Dawn
>You Rock My World
>
>those 4 tracks belong in the pantheon - nuff said. Just stop
>listening after track 7 and you're good - solid EP.
>
>You're so mad right now.

That's one of the jams on that album. The energy on that song is OUTTA HERE! But I guess it's all opinion.

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maybe second only to remember the time.

teddy re cycled that beat from the late 80's girl group the good girls and that lead singer back then sorta could have been beyonce's older sister.

that beat was used alot back then.

i knew the teddy beats from the mj beats on dangerous. jam, in the closet, she drives me wild and dangerous are mj beats.

remember the time, why you wanna trip on me, can't let her get away are teddy's.

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then i prefer teddy's stuff to michael's.

i'm surprised.

she drives me wild was a mj standby from 87 because mj set he want car doors slamming and horns and that track was very 80's.

dangerous the title track got that word up cameo thing in there especially near the end.

heal the world was mj just doing we are the world which was virtually all of his, except lionel richie wrote some words,but still mainly mj.

jam was a modern day don't stop til you get enough with the heavy groove and percussion. mj took a chapter from janet's rhythm nation as well.

in the closet got that beat from "leave me alone" in there. when MJ left Quincy jones and his team he went even more into the synths and programmed beats.

black or white was like a part 2 of state of shock basically.

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and, yeah, agree on the 'we are the world' call. i wish he'd stopped with the inspirational songs after 'man in the mirror'.

earth song is better than heal the world, but i could have done without both.

and then there was one on invincible that was just godawful.

it was the rhythm and heavy based of the groove. naw jam ain't seeing no don't stop til you get enough, however in part mj was re threading jam in that vein off of Don't stop.

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really surprised that it was michael's.

the groove and the beat. MJ was trying to get on that rhythm nation tip and yet be tribal at the same time with Jam

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remember the time got played to death after he died.
not that i'm sick of it...

but i don't crank it up on my own.

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that was a jerri curl album there.

why you wanna trip on me was the truth.

MJ embraced the new jack era better than his peers and it worked, like the great Musician and artistry he was, he took what was happening made it his and left a mj stamp of approval on it.

a verstile album which was started right after the bad project.

dangerous to me was his last important album and statement.

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remember the time is easily one of my favorite MJ songs and most of the other teddy stuff is pretty good too. i LOVED 'can't let her go', btw.

and 'who is it' was great.

then

i hated black or white, though it's since grown on me, i guess

and i also hated heal the world, mostly because of the children's choir - though that has also grown on me.

Followed closely by Can't Let Her Get Away.

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the bass in that song is crazy.

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I like Dangerous more than Bad...Teddy put his foot in that album....

But that's just me....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

Mj had a big hand in it man. the beats were Mj's especially for jam, in the closet, she drives me wild. and alot of folks think who is it is the best song on the album.

bottom line you gotta have the right artist to make that thing jump and teddy never came close again after working with mj. the trip out thing was that teddy wasn't the first choice and also once they were done, mj wasn't too crazy about teddy that's another story.

the title track was a mj leftover mj had that beat and Mj loved cameo especially during the word up era.

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>Mj had a big hand in it man. the beats were Mj's especially
>for jam, in the closet, she drives me wild. and alot of folks
>think who is it is the best song on the album.
>
>bottom line you gotta have the right artist to make that thing
>jump and teddy never came close again after working with mj.
> the trip out thing was that teddy wasn't the first choice and
>also once they were done, mj wasn't too crazy about teddy
>that's another story.


And yet MJ was crazy enough to keep working with Teddy, wasn't he?....And truth be told, MJ never came close to the success of Dangerous in the U.S....But I think that had more to do with personal issues than anything else...

Bottom line: Just because someone gives props to Teddy doesn't mean we are shitting on MJ.....No need to do this every time someone gives it up to an MJ collaborator...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....