Let the madness begin.

http://www.spin.com/articles/kanye-west-new-slaves-pink-floyd-yeezus-saturday-night-live-66-locations/

May 20 2013, 12:10 PM ET
by Brandon Soderberg

Premieres "New Slaves" on buildings, culture-jams 'Saturday Night Live' with 'Black Skinhead'

Projected onto a wall in 66 different locations across the globe on Friday Night, Kanye West's new single, "New Slaves," off his upcoming album Yeezus, is vital, singular, muddled, and fairly hypocritical, like a lot of Kanye West statements. He expresses frustration with the way his aspirational raps have been imbibed and misread by everybody: "What you want, a Bentley? Fur coat? A diamond chain? / All you blacks want all the same things / Used to only be niggas, now everybody's playing / Spending everything on Alexander Wang / New Slaves."

The point seems to be that those things which Kanye perceived as aspirational, or even transgressive, have with his help become painfully middle-brow and attainable. It's a diss song aimed, supposedly, at people like the clueless cast of Entourage or forever-ballin' Parks & Recreation characters Tom Haverford and Jean-Ralphio Saperstein, types who don't get it even though they think they totally get it. Also, given Kanye's quasi-beef with Justin Timberlake, it seems aimed at JT and his faux-petulant return, which seemed to crib a few moves from hip-hop's "y'all miss me?" swagger. In addition, the "New Slaves" lines about corporate control ("Fuck you and your corporation"), along with his anti-corporation rant back in February (and the "NOT FOR SALE" sign that flashed in the background of Kanye's Saturday Night Live performance), seems to take aim at Timberlake. Or, rather, the corporate crossover that has fueled The 20/20 Experience is the perfect symbol for what Kanye dislikes about cosmopolitan-urban pop music right now, even if it is filled with the signifiers that he helped establish as cool and artistic: Ambition, impeccable synergistic taste, and an almost feckless, shittin'-on-you-crumbs attitude.

Kanye's Saturday Night Live performance was the centerpiece of a weekend spent hyping Yeezus. The first song he performed was called "Black Skinhead." A noble attempt at the noise-rap of Death Grips or B L A C K I E, it felt more like a hip-hop version of Marilyn Manson's "Beautiful People" � that same post-Pretty Hate Machine industrial-pop gallop. He performed it in a leather jacket, as images of snarling dogs and rapid-fire cuts of loaded phrases flashed in the background (again, most notably, "NOT FOR SALE"). SPIN's Chris Martins contextualized the spectacle well: This was the hum-drum set of SNL, turned into something truly terrifying for a few minutes.

Still, "New Slaves" had more thrust and poignant anger. And Kanye seemed to know this, performing it without the performance-art padding and a whole lot of raw, uncooked passion. For "New Slaves," he stared into the camera while an extreme black-and-white close-up of his face was projected in the background (if you've seen Portishead live lately, you know what Kanye's doing here), almost screaming the lyrics of the final verse.

That final verse of �New Slaves� was special. It's where Kanye's focus spirals out to something bigger than his own concerns and perceived martyrdom. Instead, he's genuinely wielding his power and speaking on topics that he doesn't exactly have to address as a big-deal star: The corruption of our prison system. "Slaves" in the final verse are not slaves to high-end mall fashion, but to a prison system that incarcerates an inordinate number of African-Americans, and due to private ownership, has money invested in keeping those people in jail for as long as possible and bringing in even more. It's Kanye rapping a Spark Notes version of Michelle Alexander's The New Jim Crow and "the Willie Lynch Letter." And don't forget his pithy, lewd, rejection of Diddy-birthed hip-hop Hamptons' love: �Fuck you and your Hampton house / I'll fuck your Hampton spouse
 / Came on her Hampton blouse / And in her Hampton mouth." "New Slaves" speaks to the narrative that always grabs fans who've been with Kanye since The College Dropout: It's another ambitious, na�ve attempt to resolve the tensions between his aspirational, money-burning id and his conscious rap-raised super ego. He might have finally done it, here.

Mostly what you're left with on "New Slaves," though, is that still-not-entirely understood message of Watch the Throne: That Kanye West is an immensely successful black artist whose parents were part of the Civil Rights generation, who had to fight for their basic freedoms. People who, as he raps in the first lines of "New Slaves," drank at different water fountains than whites: "My momma was raised in an era when / Clean water was only served to the fairer skin." It's a nice rejoinder to ongoing "post-racial" nonsense, and an assured, half-earned argument that everything a big-deal type like Kanye does must be considered and pondered because he represents a specific kind of American success story.

So, here's an art-rock star rapper (he is our Pink Floyd, whether you want to admit it or not), projecting his face on a wall in 66 cities, then appearing on Saturday Night Live, clowning clueless conspicuous consumption, rejecting the increasingly corporate-sponsored world of the media, and rapping about the corrupt prison system. It's a politically engaged, swinging-dick move. And the menacing, minimalist beat seems like the next step after he got an evil lurcher like "Mercy" onto the radio. As with so many recent Kanye West event-singles, "New Slaves" will be huge, almost in spite of its anti-pop intentions.

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oh wait you didn't think i wasn't did you







but can i do it concisely.... hmmmmm








"New Slaves" is par for course for Kanye who uses the benefit of being an entertainer to not have to be taken seriously. This allows for his bullshit as message to be passed off as deep while categorically dismissing haters because anyone that would critique a 'rapper' about his 'politics' is obviously an idiot, present company included.

But according to the Kanye narrative you're supposed to believe that he is as great as his ancestors who overcame slavery, because in spite of blatant social obstacles to hinder the successes of black men, he has achieved a level of success even white people would be proud of. And you black people should take his achievements as inspiration.... oh wait.... no you shouldn't. You see the Yeezus revolutionary is not collective at all. He is an individual, He doesn't want you to stand up and make it, he just needs you to validate his making it. Continue being beneath him watching the thrown, but praise him because he gives you hope.












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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

It's like getting mad at Rage Against the Machine being one of the most successful bands of the 90's firmly within the corporate infrastructure they are supposedly raging against. At least Ye (smartly) continually shouts how how conflicted he is.

Which is irresponsible if you purport to profess any type of social message, even a flirtatious one which you'll abandon during your next iteration.

And you want to know why its fair, because just below you want to assume that all art is in trouble if mofo's don't get Kanye's message. Yeahhhhhh suuuuuuurrrreeee.


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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

to juxtapose those messages with a 'but im am also one of those starfucker asshole too'

So it's not as if he's throwing molotov cocktails in one album, then the next one all Koch brothers.

>And you want to know why its fair, because just below you want
>to assume that all art is in trouble if mofo's don't get
>Kanye's message. Yeahhhhhh suuuuuuurrrreeee.


My beef is that half the Kanye critique boils down to the image. It's not as if people were on some, I don't fuck with Guns and Roses because Axl is an asshole.

>My beef is that half the Kanye critique boils down to the
>image. It's not as if people were on some, I don't fuck with
>Guns and Roses because Axl is an asshole.

Axl never had to explain shit - http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qZROgXphgfs/UQquYg-jfZI/AAAAAAAAG1o/6pZ0W8CEHQ0/s1600/axl_rose_guns_n_roses_in+skirt.jpg

All of that said... I'm talking message not image.


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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

As opposed to going full Rick Ross or Mos Def?

And his appropriatory use of black history to further his corny cause just irks the fuck out of me. Mainly because watching black folk fall for it is slowly watching the importance of that history fizzle like the bubbles in the cristal bottle.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>And his appropriatory use of black history to further his
>corny cause just irks the fuck out of me.

Out of the thousand of other pseudo-smart rappers who still push drugs and occasional bang bang in beween the Malcolm X shoutouts?

LOL

That keeps their names in the mouths of johnny come lately art bloggers who want to raise their status to levels of black man is goddom.

Why the deflection BigReg?

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>That keeps their names in the mouths of johnny come lately
>art bloggers who want to raise their status to levels of black
>man is goddom.

Im just saying why single HIM out.

This is a reach and a half

"And his appropriatory use of black history to further his corny cause just irks the fuck out of me. Mainly because watching black folk fall for it is slowly watching the importance of that history fizzle like the bubbles in the cristal bottle."

Dude throws in a random Marcus Garvey line and somehow he's appropriating black history?

despite still internally debating whether it fits.

I think it does though.

I'm not talking about single lines though. I'm talking about "New Slaves". In which 'new slaves' = really rich black people, while the descendants of 'old slaves' idolize the gist of their oppression now that its in black face with hot beats.

But I digress.

The whole "why you picking on him" has to do not with his success, but the reification of his mythos by the media. And I've previously made similar comments about Jay-Z a few years back. I don't do it often because I know people don't care, but every now and then I feel compelled. If nothing else to put a critical lens on the 'hate' so you can't just say 'they just hate the image' or whatever.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

>>That keeps their names in the mouths of johnny come lately
>>art bloggers who want to raise their status to levels of
>black
>>man is goddom.
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>Im just saying why single HIM out.

Because that's who this post is about, asshole

"Capitalism will never fail because socialism will always be there to bail it out." - Ralph Nader

like was there ever a boho kanye phase?

methinks not. but why would you draw those poles? because he's presented himself in such a manner over the years, that it almost feels like he should have.

but he hasn't. he's always been firmly in the mterialism camp, and when criticism gets hard he goes the woe is me for being a materialist route for sympathy. *yawn*

"LOOK AT ME I'M A SLAVE TO MY BUGATTI NIGGAZ!!"

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

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I've long established myself as the champion of art not entertainment. Which in turn means your reply says nothing to me. As a matter of fact I'm not sure how it even relates to what I originally posted. Are you saying that 99% entertainers sell out the history of slavery for black people?

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

"But according to the Kanye narrative you're supposed to believe that he is as great as his ancestors who overcame slavery, because in spite of blatant social obstacles to hinder the successes of black men, he has achieved a level of success even white people would be proud of. And you black people should take his achievements as inspiration.... oh wait.... no you shouldn't. You see the Yeezus revolutionary is not collective at all. He is an individual, He doesn't want you to stand up and make it, he just needs you to validate his making it."


^^^you can take that entire spill, replace kanye with 99.8% of entertainers. replace black men/people with whoever their core audience is..and it will be true. You just dont like how kanye does it.

Plus, its hard to call bullshit on cats when they do have genuine moments and actually good music in their history. But I see whats going on here

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I'll give you a pass for that though.

But I'm speaking very specific to Kanye who may parallel the average rapper on the hustle up, but he does so with these coy 'but I'm deep' moments. Eat it up. It's good for his spirit.

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

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Explain how that's the same.

Or you can just say, STOP PICKING ON KANYE!!

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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

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Instagram: thelonious_funk_

Most know that about me here already.

2) If you know who that is (or know me) you'd realize the reach you're going for is dumb as fuck because that's just not the type of fan I am, which is what I was trying to point out in my first reply to you.

3) But you keep trying to shut down a very specific point of discussion with wild generaliztions based on your wild generalized assumptions about me.

4) So I helped you put your foot in your mouth hoping to end this line of discussion.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

Next time you come through Ohio, i'll buy you a drink

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Name the one's I like, then and show me how its the same.

And I love how you say 'try'.... nigga this is me. Maybe yall be trying to do something, but I'm just being me.


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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

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Instagram: thelonious_funk_

the question mark at the end there is wondering why you haven't done so already to shut me all the way the fuck down (it's pretty easy too). i mean here we've wasted how many back and forths which are pretty much off the topic, and you still just saying 'all'. I'M RIGHT CAUSE I SAID ALL NIGGA!!!

All OKP's are passive aggressive debaters without the skillset to actually win a debate, but with the benefit of being on a messageboard where they can fall back to snark-lite one liners, tangential diversions, non-replies and arguments about posters and posting rather than actually take their L. I'll exemplify that with you.

I'd be wrong though because I regularly accept the L's handed me (begrudgingly or not) which folk here will testify to.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

I dont fight for the glory....only out of necessity

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Instagram: thelonious_funk_

And what is it that you think you're right about again? 99% of entertainers what exactly?


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Is it great art? No

But I used to LOVE how artists used to cultivate everything from image to style to look to sound...albums, state performance, etc.

People hating on the kilt, the publicity stunts, the 'anger', etc...miss the point.

It really isn't. It's serviceable entertainment if you're into that type of thing.


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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

Cyndi Lauper (yeah, I know she predates her) is 1/10th the artist that was Madonna, nobody was throwing major shade her way.

Yeah, someone like Kanye doing shock lite-rock tactics is a bit underwhelming when the white duke is still making interesting music, but it's still a better attempt then anyone's had in twenty years. Gaga comes close, but her music is HORRID, hate him or not there's at least one point in his shifting discography that most people would like

where talent here = singer but i digress

>Cyndi Lauper (yeah, I know she predates her) is 1/10th the
>artist that was Madonna, nobody was throwing major shade her
>way.

Not sure the point here.

>Yeah, someone like Kanye doing shock lite-rock tactics is a
>bit underwhelming when the white duke is still making
>interesting music, but it's still a better attempt then
>anyone's had in twenty years. Gaga comes close, but her music
>is HORRID, hate him or not there's at least one point in his
>shifting discography that most people would like

The problem we will have in this discussion is convincing me that Kanye's talent eclipses Gaga's. If you can do that....


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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

Im a fan of her very early techno-pop shit (Bad Romance, Just Dance, etc). Everything else...unlistenable.

She's got the same thing A.Key's got...good voice, alright piano/songwriting skills, HORRIBLY BLAND SONGS. But I love how she goes for the gusto as far as image is concerned a la Elton John or Marilyn Manson.

The Lauper comment was that while I can't convince you that Kanye isn't talentless since that's personal opinion, I feel that the hate he gets is disproportional because he's one a few the few superstars even attempting to pull a Pink Floyd (i don't even know what the OG article means by that, but lets assume it's shitty Spin magazine code word for 'artsy shit'). Lauper didn't have much talent, but she was able to flip her image into something lasting and we aren't burning her over the coals for stinking up the place with her many wack songs (outside of the hits)

>where talent here = singer but i digress
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>>Cyndi Lauper (yeah, I know she predates her) is 1/10th the
>>artist that was Madonna, nobody was throwing major shade her
>>way.
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>Not sure the point here.
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>>Yeah, someone like Kanye doing shock lite-rock tactics is a
>>bit underwhelming when the white duke is still making
>>interesting music, but it's still a better attempt then
>>anyone's had in twenty years. Gaga comes close, but her
>music
>>is HORRID, hate him or not there's at least one point in his
>>shifting discography that most people would like
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>The problem we will have in this discussion is convincing me
>that Kanye's talent eclipses Gaga's. If you can do that....
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>"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

First in order to do so requires having achieved a great amount of initial success. Like you don't do a Floyd on the first album because you won't have that type of budget.

So saying he's the only one trying is on par with sayin he's the only one with the personal budget to do so, and is no measure of the art itself.

Even more, what Pink Floyd did was actually break new ground. Quite literally everything Kanye done is a rehash. And it's a new money splurge rehash not some well thought out artistic endeavor.

It'd be more accurate to parallel Kanye with Warhol's pop art factory, but I think even then Warhol had more involvement and personal investment in the art than Kanye will ever have because for him it's just the means to an end. For an artist, the art is the means and the end.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

Granted, it was 67 but still, songs like "Interstellar overdrive" and "T4ake up the stetoscope" and "Power toc h" etc. are really wacky stuff for a debuting band; actually, outside of Zappa (who did a double where one record was accessible), I don't know many major acts that came out on their *debut* in such an uncompromising, art-school avantgarde fashion

I think it furthers my point though. When we're comparing Kanye it's not because of the art that went into the music is the high wire theatrics, which Floyd had but not just to have but because they played into the high falutin artsy nature of the bad to begin with.


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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

on a major label in today's day & age from a commercial perspective, let alone Dark Side.

Prog-rock was an ''in''-thing then and records like "Atom heart mother" where they collaborated with an orchestra was supercool then, england's album-rock scene was very pompous then and shit like that worked commercially as well-ELP were huge and King Crimson did reasonably well.

US album-rock aesthetics were a bit different and more "roots"-rock and singer/songwriter oriented so they were only a cult band there but their sales in England and much of europe justified a major label deal...

all on a major label budget.

one could argue they "Pink Floyd'd it" / "got to Meddle".

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that was started during the alternative 90's, record-labels signed fucking Steel Pole Bathtub and other acts that had zero commercial pote4ntial; it's not really this era

Anyway, Flaming Lips managed to make it work for them but as I said in another thread, Flaming Lips are (or were) very successful in England with magazines like Mojo and Uncut going crazy over them and the sales reflecting that. Record-labels are multi-national corporations-more so now than ever before-which the Lesson due to its understandable american focus has a tendency to forget.

Had Flaming Lips been solely dependent on USA, I doubt they would still have a major deal...

U gotta chill with the Lauper lambasting....

That girl could sing her face off....Better than a lot of her peers at that time...

And she has always happened to be a pretty good lyric writer....As evident by her recent Tony nominated triumph as a songwriter....

I know it seems like Lauper was an easy target because u got a lot of young heads on here who don't know better...

But my old ass does....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

why am i going to patronize bad art...or as you're suggesting, even just appreciate the effort?
no. if something is bad, it's bad.
you don't get a pass JUST for "trying something new"

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

contrived "genius"

it is really unbecoming.

I've already put my mad cap on in this post. So I guess I'll hang out and be the target.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

i was just speaking in general tho

>i was just speaking in general tho

it makes no sense as a general reply to the original post which swiped an article praising him. who would be the madders that you were then generally targeting? or were you projecting said madders... as in now that this has been said someone must be mad, so they need to shut the fuck up and just accept the truth.

and as I already said, i'll be the target here. arf arf. now where's your bite?

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

i aint read NAN of your replies.

good day to you, Sir.

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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

you will get through this.

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and there are others quite honestly as well.

No disrespect to Ye you can't front on him at all but his success in the wake of others blindsided me. But hey there ya go.

<--- Big Baller World Order

He's more Architectual Abdabs than Pink Floyd.

I can honestly see why the comparisons are made, but I read this article and went off on Twitter about it. I like most of Kanye's music, and Kanye truly doesn't care what he says, for better or worse. The difference here is that with Pink Floyd, they used music and visuals to push what they were doing, never themselves. Kanye uses music, visuals, and himself to become the focus. There are still people who think Pink Floyd is a man, or that the group has guys named Pink and Floyd. Is Kanye a risk taker because he's the only focus, not splitting it between three or four semi-anonymous entities. I don't think he's a risk taker because Pink Floyd added visuals and *he is too*, but he knows exactly what he's doing.

As I had said this past weekend, Kanye is thinking along the lines of "if you want something to see, then I'll give you something to gawk at." He gets the praise because he's in the mainstream, and the mainstream loves a good story. He's more than willing to give a story, good, bad, or false. Pink Floyd kept themselves in the clouds they were obscured in, on purpose, but maybe that's the difference between letting your music doing the talking vs. a generation that has to know what you spit, shit, or bleed at any given moment. We are feeding the monster he talked about on his last album, and we're willing to watch the possible fall of this self-proclaimed King Kong (as he described himself in "Black Skinhead".)

Kanye is going to do what he can, because he can. Let's put that on the side. I now want to see who will attempt to copy him for the wrong reasons, or simply go back to the basics. Then again, there are thousands of artists who are not only back to the basics, but remain being basic because sometimes, less is best. Yet we all love a show, we want the vaudeville, we want the pomp and circumstance because Kanye, at times, believes he is his own reality show. Yes, I'd love for him to tone down and just rock it out with Madlib, or just stay low-key and present himself as a genius on the level of a Stevie Wonder. But he's not having that. Being considered better than a cherished white band grabs headlines and causes immediate discussion, for if someone said "he is a more regimented George Clinton", then that would lead to bickering. Or worse, the lack of discussion.

As much as I hate one aspect of this, I'm a participant in the viewing, even though I know very well that I really don't want to be. I truly want something that's better, and there's a hell of a lot better, but I have to dig harder to find better. I have. What I feel is better isn't going to get the accolades, and thus are not being celebrated. Their loss. I like being able to cheer on my favorite music en masse, yet the older I get, the more it is about my own satisfaction. I write about it in the hopes someone else will share that magic I feel. Yeah, everyone gets what Kanye is doing, that's great, I do too, but in the words of The Roots, do I want more? Very much.






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"New Slaves" is okay, not as good as "Black Skinhead". Curious to see what will surface next. I like witnessing the spectacle from afar, and its effects.





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but I should have said 'which ones Yeezy, or yeezus.." or whatever moniker he's dubbed with

I don't know. It seems West is very happy with manipulating a perception, specifically of himself. He definitely understands the barrier between himself and the artist, and the artist vs. the audience. Is he, to add another Pink Floyd reference, building a wall that's too high for him to peek over? I think it's part of the facade. It used to be where people were down with West for being funky and cool, but now he's "something else", or at least he's doing something else that others in hip-hop aren't doing. People may reject what he's doing, but he's also being accepted for doing something else, and he can cater to that and them. Or maybe his thought is "I may never be able to enter your world, but if I can cater to people in your world and benefit from it, I'm a made man." It's gutsy.



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Radiohead would be an example of a well liked and respected group in today's age that plays it low key. BUT compared to Pink Floyd they're a lot more public, they do webcasts of rehearsals, use twitter, very politically active, etc. We can call out Kanye for becoming too much of a persona but rappers have always been about being a persona. Maybe they didn't have it as well developed or get the same success as Kanye but everyone from Slick Rick to Chuck D to Ghostface Killah to MF Doom are personas.

And yeah maybe he lots of praise for actually trying to make art in the mainstream but at the same time there's tons of ppl lined up around the block just to trash him B/C he's mainstream. It's a double-edged sword and personally speaking I feel like even if he's using shock tactics he's already established as an artist without it so it's not as if that's the only reason ppl are paying attention.

I too would love a low key album from him but I can't fault an artist b/c of what I want from them. He's always been an ego-driven artist and it plays a central theme in his lyrics. At this point it is who he is, just like Public Enemy is a political group and I shouldn't expect a party song from them.

Dis nigga is a musical god is and is spitting about
the prison industrial complex, got everyone watching
and listening

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