listening to trumpet players all my life and there have been so many great ones including Clifford Brown, Clark Terry, dizzy,Donald Byrd

so who are your top 5 and where does Miles Davis figure in the mix?

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Ar4e4 we talking about the trumpet player as a musician or as an ''artist'' with everything that goes with it (=a vision for the entire band on how they should sound, the arrangements etc.).

If it's the latter, Miles is the obvious winner for me.

If it's the former however, I LOVE Lee Morgan; not so much his albums but his note-choices, tone etc. Anyway, as a musician, he is my favorite trumpeter.

Some other ones I dig:

Woody Shaw-VERY underrated; could play everything from straight hard bop to avantgarde and do it with style and personality. A lot of people dismissed him as a Freddie Hubbard-rip off but while Hubbard is more ''important'', I like Shaw more.

Lester Bowie (Art ensemble of chicago)-mostly known as an avant-garde trumpeter but unlike many other in that style, he had amazing technique and a knowledge of everything from the oldest New Orleans-jazz to 12-tone classical weirdness

Booker Little-Unfortunately, he died very young but a lot of people at the time supposedly thought he would be the next Clifford Brown and while he had that style, he was also a bit avant-garde and quirky. I love the records he did with Eric Dolphy and how he played there.

Bill Dixon-Another weird free-jazz guy who I don't think had the best technique but like Miles, he had great concepts and made very dark and moody music that's perfect for winters and autumns. Check out "Intents and purposes" or the many records he did on Soul Note in the 80's.

And obviously, I dig Dizzy and Clifford Brown and for some more obscure picks: Ted Curson (who played with Mingus) and Charles Tolliver (Jackie McLean and the Strata-east stuff) Hubbard too of course.

And Don Cherry was one sloppy motherfucker but he made a lot of great music and had tons of killer ideas and SOME of his solos with Ornette Coleman was actually extremely memorable (the one on "Congeniality"=wow!)
EDIT:I meant ''Chronology".

Good calls on Woody Shaw and Charles Tolliver. Really love that early 70's Woody Shaw stuff with George Cables (an underrated pianist, in his own right).

A player that I've always liked is Kenny Dorham. All of his Blue Note stuff with Joe Henderson is top tier and it hints at the more soulful approach Henderson would take in the 70's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNrpKFA9F9M

The Dorham/Henderson co-leader sessions are all amongst my favorite of the Blue Note glory years.

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I haven't heard anything after "Rosewood" (smoking album and with Joe Henderson too) but at least until then, he just delivered at a time when "straight", acoustic jazz was out. In a way, his 70's albums were the precursors to Wynton and those conservative in the 80's but I find Shaw SO much better and there are subtle hints of fusion and other stuff there as well; they don't sound throwback at all in spite of being (mostly) acoustic and "post-bop" in the 70's. And for more wild, fusion-esque stuff, "Blackstone Legacy" is a banger.

And I love what he did in the 60's on albums like Larry Young's "Unity" and Jackie McLean's "Demon dance" (underrated album). Actually, that he wasn't used more often on Blue Note albums is strange to me; Hubbard played on SO many records-I wish they (=the Blue Note guys and the leading musicians) would have given Shaw more chances because he deserved it.

And yes, I love the Dorham/Henderson-records too. Even the le4ss famous "Our thing" record where you can hear Andrew Hill in a rare sideman situation (that one and Hutchersons "Dialogue" are the only ones I know off the top)

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>And yes, I love the Dorham/Henderson-records too. Even the
>le4ss famous "Our thing" record where you can hear Andrew Hill
>in a rare sideman situation (that one and Hutchersons
>"Dialogue" are the only ones I know off the top)

Our Thing and Dialogue kick major ass — agreed.

Not sure how much of an Andrew Hill fan you are (I'm assuming you're pretty well-versed), but I just got hipped to this one myself: http://www.allmusic.com/album/conflict-mw0000028623

Altoist Jimmy Woods (not to be confused with bassist Jimmy Woode) led just a couple sessions from what I gather, but this album is an absolute firecracker. It's in that "out but still in" mode that Andrew knew so well and his influence over the session is immediately recognizable. Guaranteed: if it were released on Blue Note or Impulse, it would have been considered right there with Out to Lunch as one of the major gateways to "the new thing." It's that good.

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Looks right up my alley. There is a lot of good stuff that wasn't released on inpulse and Blue Note 60's that doesn't include the typical rotating cast of musicians that deserve more credit. Personally, I'm a huge fan of the two semi-free/semi-post bop records Prince Lasha and Sonny Simmons did on Contemporary-"Firebirds" in particular which even features Hutcherson for some of that "Out to lunch!"-flavour. Had those records been released on Blue Note, they would have been classics but since the musicians were on the westcoast, they were "outside" of the hip scene. Oh well...

I'll check that album out, thanks for the tip...

EDIT:And I'm a big Andrew Hill-fan but this one has slipped me by completely...

on Muse...it's a fucking amazing record

reading up on him the other day it appears he was quite an innovator, highly skilled & widely respected by peers

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i've pretty much just been learning about jazz by getting miles davis albums.
if i like somebody else's playing, i'll check out other stuff they did.

so although this has made me aware of a few different piano players
and saxophone players and guitar players,

i don't know a single trumpet player outside of miles davis.

i didn't realize this until just now.

I know Dizzie Gillespie just from his cheeks puffing out crazy but probably couldn't pick out a song

As Miles had sidemen in his bands that not only went on to have large catalogues themselves, but were among the best on their respective instruments.

Just not trumpet.

If you're looking for another player to move on to, Dizzy is obviously the logical next step.

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After him its up for grabs.

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People love to hate on him but Wynton is awesome.

Miles is my favorite as an artist though technically others are probably better, whatever that means

but i dig in no particular order after Miles

Dizzy
Clifford Brown
Lee Morgan
Donald Byrd
Freddie Hubbard
Wynton Marsalis

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and Dizzy Gilepsie

My other favourite trumpeters are known as much for their vocals as for their vocals.