D'Angelo (& The Vanguard still?) have a few concert dates are popping up for May and August.

5/28/13 - Toronto, Sound Academy
5/31/13 - Boston, House of Blues
8/10/13 - San Diego, Humphreys Concert

Maybe we'll get a single and album over the course of summer....finally. Maybe. Hopefully 1000 Deaths finds its way into the set list along with some other songs. He's already played damn-near half the album already anyways....

And all the tickets cost a fortune. I think the average price is about 90$, and with concert fees, it'll probably cost a hundred. If you're feeling wealthy, go for it.

>Maybe we'll get a single and album over the course of
>summer....finally. Maybe.

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Hahaha blind optimism is fun.

I mean, this tour will probably vibe like Voodoo Tour Pt. 2...again. A little more deviation from that format, musically or otherwise, would be nice. Something heavier, but oh well.

...

grown men snarking is pretty pitiful really...

>grown men snarking is pretty pitiful really...

If your idea of adulthood means the end of humor, I want no part of that.

(But then again, I'd expect D'Angelo fans to have no sense of humor or fun, since his music offers neither of those things.)

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any music in 20 years....

nigga you fool... you clownin him because he hasn't come out with any music....yet talking shit about his music..even though he hasn't come out with any....lol..


all while your boy chesnut trickin people into paying 50 for unsigned CDs.....Joss Stone who made you feel good to be human ain't makin no records....and Janus is a better songwriter than D'Angelo..

you funny player...

start gettin your plea cops or alternative log ins together for when D'Angelo's album and tour hits....all you got is snark now player....go find one of maxx's ">>>>" posts to co-sign..that's your role round here now right....lol.

>nigga you fool... you clownin him because he hasn't come out
>with any music....yet talking shit about his music..even
>though he hasn't come out with any....lol..

The new songs he has played in concert over the past year have no humor.

His covers of other people's songs have no humor... even in cases when the original versions of the songs were dripping with it!

His performance just is not very... lively or fun. That's okay; there's a lane for that.

>all while your boy chesnut trickin people into paying 50 for
>unsigned CDs.....

And when Cody did that, I condemned it. I didn't make even a token attempt to defend it, because I'm fair and balanced and I stan for nobody unconditionally. I can admit when people I like fuck up. I can admit when *I* fuck up.

>Joss Stone who made you feel good to be human
>ain't makin no records....

Well, first of all: I said that about *her first album* which I still like a lot. And as for her "makin no records"... She's released like 6 records since D'Angelo's last one.

And Joss Stone has actually been in a major struggle with her record label and ended up having to spend virtually every dollar she had to buy out her contract. She's recently put out an independent release. Is it any good? Don't know... don't particularly care. But she ain't been sitting on her ass choking like some other artists.

and Janus is a better songwriter
>than D'Angelo..

Those snippets he posted were more melodic, colorful and danceable than 98% of Voodoo, yes... I stand by that.

And what I have never figured out is why you always bring up me saying that as if it automatically discredits me, and yet you have never even *tried* to make the case that Janus's music was not good.

It seems that your point is that just because Janus is best known to us as an idiotic messageboard troll rather than as an "artist" sponsored by a major corporation and hyped up by a PR team that orchestrates an image of him as a "genius" or "soul messiah" even as he produces nothing to support such claims... that he can't possibly have even a little talent?

Says more about your mentality than mine, imho.

>you funny player...
>
>start gettin your plea cops or alternative log ins together
>for when D'Angelo's album and tour hits....all you got is
>snark now player....go find one of maxx's ">>>>" posts to
>co-sign..that's your role round here now right....lol.

And let's remember this post if and when that happens. So that when I come with my "snark," you don't try to claim that y'all innocent Dfans were just minding your own business "digging the music" when the big bad haters like me had to come in and ruin it.

But dig this: I wish D the best. I hope he does well. But really, unless he does Adele numbers, him coming back after doing nothing for almost 15 years is nothing to gloat about. I guess it's to be commended that he doesn't allow himself to slip entirely into oblivion.

It's a great story of triumph over personal adversity. But artistically, it's an L. The time for him to make an impact musically was a decade ago. Coming back now to play the nostalgia circuit is not a win.

But sincerely, I really do hope he does well. I mean it.

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What the blood claaat ???

Posting a link and a LOL ain't a word, my friend...

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What the blood claaat ???

Posting about an artist u dont like who hasnt come out with an album in so long. It comes off as childish and foolish. I for one couldnt care less about your opinion as the music u seem to favor seems pretty unfunky and boring imo.

Your obsession with d' is tired and unfunny. Its playd out. Youre like eddie murphy comingnout in some leather pants in 2013.....,talk about unfunny....your schtick was played out years ago.

I just posted a link to another poster who got the joke and LOLed before you injected yourself into the conversation with a self-serious rebuttal and some ridiculous argument about how it's pitiful for adults to enjoy a laff?

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(see? I can admit when I fuck up... have you ever done that?)

Still, it was a funny punchline and you know it. You could have just let it be that.

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first....you knew exactly who you were responding too...don't buy your plea cop at all..

second...no..it wasn't funny.... dude like I told you...your schtick is stale.. if someone tells the same joke for a decade..at some point the joke ain't funny and the joke teller becomes pitiful....and we passed that point miles ago..

>second...no..it wasn't funny.... dude like I told you...your
>schtick is stale.. if someone tells the same joke for a
>decade..at some point the joke ain't funny and the joke teller
>becomes pitiful....and we passed that point miles ago..

is exactly what MAKES it funny.

It's like when they used to make jokes about Susan Lucci winning an Emmy, the Red Sox winning the series, Guns N Roses' Chinese Democracy, Extra P's "Cop the album when I drop it," the Beach Boys' SMiLE etc.

The fact that I am able to tell the same joke for a decade and you can't tell me I'm a lie... THAT is what is funny. And sad. Like Richard Pryor's comedy.

But hey... your mileage may vary.

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>>second...no..it wasn't funny.... dude like I told
>you...your
>>schtick is stale.. if someone tells the same joke for a
>>decade..at some point the joke ain't funny and the joke
>teller
>>becomes pitiful....and we passed that point miles ago..
>
>is exactly what MAKES it funny.
>
>It's like when they used to make jokes about Susan Lucci
>winning an Emmy, the Red Sox winning the series, Guns N Roses'
>Chinese Democracy, Extra P's "Cop the album when I drop it,"
>the Beach Boys' SMiLE etc.
>
>The fact that I am able to tell the same joke for a decade and
>you can't tell me I'm a lie... THAT is what is funny. And sad.
>Like Richard Pryor's comedy.
>
>But hey... your mileage may vary.

you got to make shit up and exagerate other people's opinions just to make the shit you do seem less weird.

You ain't funny....you just strange cat...

You say you're not praying for a new D release?

While I would call you a liar based on comments made in this thread alone, I will take your word for it.

You're not sweating a new release. Good for you.

But I can assure you that many others ARE. So assume that I am referring to THEM and not you.

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on around here for years and years....and me calling you on that bs been happening for just as long...

guess I'm strange in thinking that one doesn't have to make stuff up to have a decent debate or conversation....I've always looked at those types of exagerations and misstatements as lacking intellectual integrity and really not worth the time.



>You say you're not praying for a new D release?
>
>While I would call you a liar based on comments made in this
>thread alone, I will take your word for it.


why on earth would you or honestly any other adult be worried about what someone else is hoping for??? again...it just seems really weird to me. Especially if it's dealing with an artist I don't care for.... Like me not really being an R.Kelly fan....what his fans are hoping for from him would be completely irrelevent to me...I can't imagine spending a second of thought on the subject at all..




>You're not sweating a new release. Good for you.

again....it shouldn't matter to you...and the fact that it does should possibly be a cause for concern to you.

>
>But I can assure you that many others ARE. So assume that I
>am referring to THEM and not you.

I can honestly say that none of those people really care what you think....lol. Honestly. Your opinion of what they want doesn't impact their lives or their music tastes 1 bit.

it's too much really good and interesting new music out there for people to be worried about what some clown on a message board thinks about their musical tastes.

>why on earth would you or honestly any other adult be worried
>about what someone else is hoping for??? again...it just
>seems really weird to me. Especially if it's dealing with an
>artist I don't care for.... Like me not really being an
>R.Kelly fan....what his fans are hoping for from him would be
>completely irrelevent to me...I can't imagine spending a
>second of thought on the subject at all..
>
>
>
>
>>You're not sweating a new release. Good for you.
>
>again....it shouldn't matter to you...and the fact that it
>does should possibly be a cause for concern to you.

nice to know.

I hope that works out for you.

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really..

grow up dude..

you're really just a clown now...

and an un-funny one at that..

lol.

>you're really just a clown now...
>
>and an un-funny one at that..
>
>lol.

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dude stuck in a time warp doing Obscure SOS Band songs oh WOW that outta pack a drive thru at the local Jack in the Box?

i mean dude needs some new music. he scared the folks at BET with the screaming and Grandpa sounding music which never got the crowd moving except from the Mental COnsitpation of hearing him yelling at them all Bugged out.

once he starts mumbling and staying stuck in a time warp folks gonna want there money back and then He will go away for another 12 years and Promise a New album until the Aliens come and take him away.

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ok maxx...

that is far more lively and modern than what D'angelo is putting out.

nobody wants to hear a turkey Mumbling and doing watered down James brown grunts and counts like he is a Constipated Cedric the entertainer

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They not in the same category.

and Tevin back in the day and still til this day can run circles aroudn D'angelo in the studio and on stage.

tevin got that "IT" sorry charlie.

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Seems more genuine, D'angelo still seems forced, unhappy, no energy, lacks personality,

that just ain't what he do...

and neither has chris brown...

that lip syncing acrobatics shit on stage ain't no damn concert...

if they ain't bringing it live and funky...then don't compare it to cats that bring it live and funky..

it's apples and oranges...

you sound like a damn fool with that shit.. ....lolol...

D'angelo mumbling and stuttering and who is paying 90 dollars to hear a cat scream, wail and look lost with 2nd and 3rd tier tracks which he still is trying to paint as new?

Tevin Campbell can run D"angelo out of a building vocally and it ain't even close.

"U will Know" which D'angelo co wrote did feature Tevin Campbell singing the opening line and on background apples and oranges, more like one artist who ain't got the worms or the shakes Homie.

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You sound like D'angeo's dad.

>that just ain't what he do...
>
>and neither has chris brown...
>
>that lip syncing acrobatics shit on stage ain't no damn
>concert...
>
>if they ain't bringing it live and funky...then don't compare
>it to cats that bring it live and funky..
>
>it's apples and oranges...
>
>you sound like a damn fool with that shit.. ....lolol...

How could you call D'angelo's set tired and a rework

yet support Chris Brown's theft of Off The Wall
and his video which he tries to be Mj in Smooth Criminal, The Way You Make Me Feel, and Thriller all in one?

I mean Chris Brown is by far the world's biggest Mj impersonator...
and Timberfluff the world's worst... haha..

but still... am I missing something?

he still trying to act like he can pull a PT Barnum and do a James Brown, RIck James, Prince, Sly Stone and a few others in the mix thing and not get called out on choking all of these years and having what I call crack head 2nd and 3rd tier tracks?

Chris Brown is actually singing and using some live instrumentation and he to his credit regardless of his overall talent level is at least putting out material and not coming off like a Negro folk lore Hero.

D'angelo is almost forgotten in R&B for his choke job.

i like the new Chris Brown cut, however i don't know what to expect, however if he brings the goods and considering that while C Breezy has his own demons, he still keeps it moving, it would be impressive because I watch lesser talents leave D'angelo and the myth into a another orbit. and D'angelo can't hang with better talents either. just a waste.

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D'angelo comes off as a lazy bum

>he still trying to act like he can pull a PT Barnum and do
>a James Brown, RIck James, Prince, Sly Stone and a few others
>in the mix thing and not get called out on choking all of
>these years and having what I call crack head 2nd and 3rd
>tier tracks?
>
>Chris Brown is actually singing and using some live
>instrumentation and he to his credit regardless of his overall
>talent level is at least putting out material and not coming
>off like a Negro folk lore Hero.
>
>D'angelo is almost forgotten in R&B for his choke job.
>
>i like the new Chris Brown cut, however i don't know what to
>expect, however if he brings the goods and considering that
>while C Breezy has his own demons, he still keeps it moving,
>it would be impressive because I watch lesser talents leave
>D'angelo and the myth into a another orbit. and D'angelo
>can't hang with better talents either. just a waste.

Thanks for the response Maxx, let me also acknowledge your level of professionalism on these boards. Dudes try to come at you all kinds of ways when all you do is logically break down your opinions and you do it all with respect and I appreciate that and your posts. thanks for weighin in.

here's the thing, D'angelo is often cited for the same offenses one of the heros you listed. Sly Stone. Arguably he allowed life to get in the way - drugs, laziness, fear... among other things. Keep in mind that's one side of the story - Sly's personal struggle with his label and the forces that be may have something to do with it as well. One wonders - did D'angelo do exactly what he intended to do? Take a break? Are we at fault for having expectations beyond what he gave us? It's a question that can also be applied to Sly.

In terms of Chris Brown and live instrumentation - this is where it gets confusing for me cause D is a monster on keys. His last few tours while somewhat sloppy in parts had moments and it's clear he's trying to get his footing back. In some cases he's done that wonderfully - Brothers In Arms is a fine example of that. So I guess the fact all his shows (not some) were live - no pre-recorded backing vox (Chris Brown has NEVER done a complete live show in over ten years - EVER), no pre-recordings, no lypsynchs. Giving Chris Brown credit for using 'some' live instrumentation that he didn't play anyway is a bit of a stretch. Horrible songs like Deuces (my opinion) still exist.

For me chris Brown is a dancer, not a recording artist - as they actually sing. They don't just act like their singing in the video and then live give you the lypsynched version. It can't be Motown 25 ALL THE TIME. They really sing. To me there is a difference between a recording artist (D'Angelo) and a tap dancing entertainer (Chris Brown). The comparison is laughable. Ol Wrigley's has never made a classic album equivalent to Voodoo or Brown Sugar for that matter and what's funny is I don't hold those albums in the highest regards like others. Those albums were NOT Purple Rain or even Sign O the Times for me and still light years ahead of capt pop and stretch.

Also, that's provides a perfect seque way - Prince. You cite D'angelo being lazy (which as a fan you would have a right to be mad but as a non-fan I would think you don't care but I'll digress)... but then you have Prince a man who puts out material constantly. Stays touring, never once rested on his history, and is constantly challenging the status quo, the industry, the public, and his peers.

My point? It's a strange argument.

You cite D for being lazy, yet say nothing about Sly.
You cite Prince for not being lazy and doing too much. I know, I know this isn't the conversation but just for the sake of conversation - what's the parameter here?
You like this record by Chris Brown (which does bump mind you I agree) but is a total Mj bite and knockoff. The fact this doesn't come up is odd when it's obvious. However your citing D for being PT Barnum (man i spit my drink out when I read that laughing so hard) for taking a different route to achieve the same thing - but just a different set of choices. I agree the myth of D'angelo was ridiculus but he's always given us a live show, musicianship, and he's back fighting the struggle of the modern industry - I just can't see how this is a bad thing? When Chris Brown on the other hand is a dancer, who happens to sing in a studio to record, but doesn't on stage. ???

You see what got me inititally was your point about D'angelo acting like he can't get called out - truth is D hasn't done anything. D is living his life and not posting on these boards. That's really an OKPer thing and a fan thing. Just thought I would point out some obvious question marks in the discussion.

Thanks for taking the time to build with me.

Peace Maxx.

>To me
>there is a difference between a recording artist (D'Angelo)
>and a tap dancing entertainer (Chris Brown). The comparison
>is laughable.

Whatever. Just had to point that out.

>You cite D for being lazy, yet say nothing about Sly.

Sly released like 5 albums in 4 years before he became erratic, though.

He didn't take 5 years between his first and second LP and then disappear again for 15 years.

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the multiple tours
the Jazz Cafe' album - what do you call those books?

that clearly cannot be your argument.

Sly released alot of great stuff - he still took the same route.

If that is seriously your argument then my argument to you is who is setting the bar as to how many albums and when?

He's given you three products. Technically that satisfies the 'doesn't recording artsists release records' nonsense.

I mean are you going to oversee his career til his death witht that argument? Are you honestly penalizinig the man for living his life?
Do we then break out every recording artist's life into sales quarters? haha I mean what's next cause that's a bit much no?
Are you going to then place standards on him that no one but you have placed? Not saying you specifically but to anyone thinking that as a listener - they have some sense of entitlement to demand a record from an R&B singer or demand anything - especially when most folks don't buy shit anyway? Is that the cause?

I mean are you pissed off at Chico Debarge?
Hell you must be furious at Tevin Campbell? If not.. then this sounds... personal.

lol.

you do realize how clowning the guy over that problem makes you look like a fool right??

I'm happy whatever demons that man has or had - he's here, he's trying, he sounds great, and he's pushing his brand. I cannot see for the life of me why anyone would have a problem with that, unless it tapped into some insecurity they are dealing with. The only other logical assumption could be a personal beef between the two however... to make fun of someone who for whatever reason might have fallen off the radar seems like something a 13 year old would do.

Not to mention how weird is it to criticize someone - from your day job. If you are an artist I would think knowing how to support another artist would be the proper thing to do - anything less is someones insecurity shining for the world to see.

for example, if say.. I dunno.. Howard Hewitt had a new song (LOl!) I wouldn't shit on him for doing his thing, if it's not my cup of tea I would keep it moving, if it is I would enjoy. I mean I don't get anyone who hates on someone for trying and doing something positive in their lives. I just don't get it. Maybe I'm too secure.
*shrugs*

>I'm happy whatever demons that man has or had - he's here,
>he's trying, he sounds great, and he's pushing his brand. I
>cannot see for the life of me why anyone would have a problem
>with that, unless it tapped into some insecurity they are
>dealing with. The only other logical assumption could be a
>personal beef between the two however... to make fun of
>someone who for whatever reason might have fallen off the
>radar seems like something a 13 year old would do.

if folks don't like dude's music that's cool...but to clown a guy or call him lazy when he was dealing with those type of deadly deamons....while pretending it's some artistic thing that they are not feeling...that's just some way out stuff to me.

and we're talking about adults doing this?? I mean I work with teenagers everyday who present more empathy towards others than that.

it just speaks volumes of those who are crossing that line.


>Not to mention how weird is it to criticize someone - from
>your day job. If you are an artist I would think knowing how
>to support another artist would be the proper thing to do -
>anything less is someones insecurity shining for the world to
>see.

exactly


>for example, if say.. I dunno.. Howard Hewitt had a new song
>(LOl!) I wouldn't shit on him for doing his thing, if it's not
>my cup of tea I would keep it moving, if it is I would enjoy.
>I mean I don't get anyone who hates on someone for trying and
>doing something positive in their lives. I just don't get it.
> Maybe I'm too secure.
>*shrugs*

I'm like this...there is something for everyone.... the only time I really am going to express something about an artist I dislike would be like say when Maxx props R.Kelly up above artists that I feel have more going for them...I'm going to point out those specific areas where I feel those artists are better....but even still..if maxx digs R.Kelly...that's great...It's not up to me to impact what other people like...

it really shouldn't matter so much to afkap what others think of D'Angelo.... it just seems way too important to dude for some reason.

And a heroic/lachrymose tone straight out of a Ronald Reagan speech

LOL @ the tear-jerking emotional manipulation people will resort to when they can't challenge you on a basic factual/logical level

EDIT: By the way, I never even used the word "lazy" in my post, doofus... way to "exaggerate and falsify other people's words"

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and he distanced himself from his peers and is placed with the best of the best of R&B. he earned that place period.

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and for sure his "live" show with the pre-recorded music and pre-recorded background vocals do not measure up to me at all..

You may dig it maxx...but respectful I don't and never have.

to each they own

and you can put his sound and vibe with so many and it would work. i who else from the modern era could hit with Michael Jackson, Charlie Wilson, Ronald Isley?? i mean that is Old School coming to the new school Yo.

and Kellz is tight live because he sings live and his voice is a instrument that can't be faded. he sounds just like he did over 20 years back sorry charlie.

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Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

>and you can put his sound and vibe with so many and it
>would work. i who else from the modern era could hit with
>Michael Jackson, Charlie Wilson, Ronald Isley?? i mean that
>is Old School coming to the new school Yo.
>
>and Kellz is tight live because he sings live and his voice
>is a instrument that can't be faded. he sounds just like
>he did over 20 years back sorry charlie.

followed the sounds of RObert Kelly and why he was able to have that kind of musical run and it ain't just with anybody.

connecting the musical dots speaks volumes about talent, depth and impact.

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Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

>followed the sounds of RObert Kelly and why he was able to
>have that kind of musical run and it ain't just with anybody.
>
>connecting the musical dots speaks volumes about talent, depth
>and impact.

the style of music had been narrowed down..... the template of r&B/soul music was being replaced by a more hip hop dominant template, thus what was required to be an artist of caliber in the genre in the 60's, 70's, and into the 80's changed.... being able to perform LIVE...real instruments....arrangements...variety of style..those things became less important...So what R.Kelly was doing would be considered quality when years before it would have measured up..

I will say this...and I've always said it. R.Kely would have been able to adapt to an era that had higher standards, because it is surely talented enough to do it. Without question.

the ones that got the goods thrive and keep it going. believe me alot of acts that were happening 5 years ago can't get themselves on a milk carton.

if you got then you got it. if you can write, if you can produce, if you can sing, well that's all you need to hang in any era. if you got the good then you good to go.

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Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

especially to Kellz - does speak volumes.

Mind you I don't blame kellz, I blame Madonna for being the first wildly successful, hugely untalented, all style, lypsynching, barely holding a note choreographer. The Monkee's where the originators but Madonna was the blueprint. When it comes to all things shallow in pop music - nobody does it better than Madge.

Kellz is dissapointing cause you hear all the rumors of his musicianship and live he chooses the N'Sync route.

*pre-recorded backing vox and sometimes lead vox
*pre-recorded music
* them Bobby Brown Headphones
* never once showing you what time it really is on any instrument.

Mind you - in defense of Kellz, I have heard from numerous sources that he is absolutely a stunning musician. That on keys he's fascinated with Bach, goes into full blown movements on a tandum. Mind you my argument was 'who's judging this, silly ass R&B followers or real musicians who know the difference?'

that question has yet to be answered only beceause - I have yet to see him play anything and trust me I'm dying to.

That said you did point out his voice is the instrument - which on your part was a dope response.

However for real music lovers it's a shame and a turn off to see someone with so much 'hidden' talent - go the route of your average pop 16 year old.

However: footnote - his performance (not sure which award show or album) where he's doing his 60's themed album - was amazing. He did truly shut that building down. Gotta be real and I'm not really a Kellz fan and you gotta recognize the real on that.

and he can play live and knows his way on guitar and he got his own sound and vibe. you know Kellz musically. he puts on a strong show and folks do check him out when he performs.

Kellz did the sam cooke performance at his house all live with a band and it was tight. you outta check it out if you haven't.

he got pigeonhold by the labels and he wanted to branch out, however bread is buttered a certain way.

Madonna is a great live performer and has put on great shows in the past. i can take or leave her and I ain't dug anything by her since 1994, however she can work a stage and has held her own.


believe me live nation ain't messing with Madonna because she is Italian, she still brings fannys to the seats and has folks checking her out and its business.

if R.Kelly showed what he can do all the way, then alot of folks ain't ready for that. i know he can do opera and do classical and other types of music, however in the market place they want units to be moving like George and Weezy ya dig?

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Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

of kellz giving it up on piano or guitar?

You see knowing your way around an instrument is wildly different than being a master of said instrument.

I remember the vibe interview (although a weird interview) and the writer went on and on about his proficiency as a keys player.

are there any clips or soundbites where I can see this?

Thanks Maxx...

and during the billboard award show back in 05 he is playing guitar on stage with Buddy Guy.

IMO nobody is a master of a instrument because while many will say Jimi Hendrix for instance is the greatest guitar player you might find others who feel that Jose feliciano or Albert King or RObert Johnson or Wes Motgomery were better. so the point is there is no one way to say who played it better than anyone else.

i mean to master something means you did it better than anyone else and also nobody should attempt it.

i mean i can argue that Louis Armstrong played trumpet at that level however most modern heads will argue for Miles Davis and while I was a big Miles Davis fan, I personally think that had Clifford Brown lived a bit longer history would have been different on that argument for Miles Davis personally.

to me playing a instrument or writing all your songs, etc.. while a great ability to have is a bit overrated in the sense that its important to just get one thing right and when alot of cats try to do so many things, it often blurs there overall depth and stunts them in some ways

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>Not to mention how weird is it to criticize someone - from
>your day job. If you are an artist I would think knowing how
>to support another artist would be the proper thing to do -
>anything less is someones insecurity shining for the world to
>see.

This is the most retarded attempt at an argument I have ever heard from you... and that is saying a lot, considering I am talking to Mr. "Dissodent" Chord himself.

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dude you swiming in a pool with no water..

critique some music that's being released then if you are a critic...

But when I say the same thing, I'm an ol meanie who makes fun of drug addicts?

LOL

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>But when I say the same thing, I'm an ol meanie who makes fun
>of drug addicts?
>
>LOL

with the changes in screen names and shit..

you on some weird shit to me..

Mind you if your doing an article on him, then honestly this may make some sense. I honestly didn't know.

that said, point me in the direction of when you discussed D'angelo's music?

I applaud you for taking the high road as you pointed out in terms of his personal struggles - truth be it told none of us even really know what that may be - he could just be lazy.

I don't think most of us even knew what you thought of the music - maybe the performances but not the music so that would be interesting to check out.

thanks.

>that said, point me in the direction of when you discussed
>D'angelo's music?
>
>I don't think most of us even knew what you thought of the
>music - maybe the performances but not the music so that would
>be interesting to check out.
>
>thanks.

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of his music. Perhaps that would explain everything in terms of your take on him. Again no snark, I'm being serious - plug me in.

I just searched now and found this one:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2584150&mesg_id=2584150&listing_type=search

Interestingly enough, you replied in it/

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cool thanks for this I'm gonna read it and get back to you - not like a review or anything - but in case I have a few questions for you.

Off the brake that's an interesting observation about his keys being in the mix - mind you he's still a monster on keys, but that is interesting.

What the blood claaat ???

this is a damn good read. I will search for more.

the point about James Brown - very on point.

Still not compeletely into that idea being for D - but you did touch something about the record that may be subliminal - it gets boring.

this offers a nice explanation as to why - for me it's always been the songs were good thoughts but it would take someone like Charlie Hunter to bring a song to full fruition - which he did.

nice.

>
>you do realize how clowning the guy over that problem makes
>you look like a fool right??

For one thing, I don't really see a problem with clowning drug addicts per se... It depends on the situation. I don't do it personally, but I can understand when other people do it. Depending on the circumstances.

As I have said several times before: My posts about D'Angelo are ALWAYS about MUSIC. Nothing else.

I have never clowned his weight.
I have never clowned his drug problem (though I have expressed disappointment with it, given that he is someone who took pride in assiduously studying the lives and careers of people like Marvin Gaye and Rick James and rather than learning lessons from their self-destruction, willingly went down the same path)
I didn't talk about how stupid his hair looked on the last tour.

All I ever talk about is his MUSIC and/or his failure to release more of it.

WC, you are always claiming that I exaggerate and distort people's (ie YOUR) views, but that's always been YOUR style.

When did I clown D's drug problem. All I said is that Artful Dodger is standing on shaky ground to define D'Angelo as a "recording artist" when in 20 years he has barely recorded anything! (Or at least released anything)

Chris Brown has released more recordings than D'Angelo by far, so what sense does it make to claim that D is a "recording artist" and CB is not? Breezy is twice the recording artist D is... that's a fact.

And in this case, I don't give a shit about his drug problem or whatever other plea you might like to cop. I'm not arguing over the WHY of it. The issue is not WHY D'Angelo has not made music... The issue is that me saying he has not released music is a FACT.

(And no.. bootlegs do not count, AD)

You motherfuckers get emotional as hell over this dude and lose all common sense.

If there's anything in my post that was a lie, please point it out.

HAS D'Angelo released more records than C Breezy?

If not, STFU

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>>
>>you do realize how clowning the guy over that problem makes
>>you look like a fool right??
>
>For one thing, I don't really see a problem with clowning drug
>addicts per se... It depends on the situation. I don't do it
>personally, but I can understand when other people do it.
>Depending on the circumstances.
>
>As I have said several times before: My posts about D'Angelo
>are ALWAYS about MUSIC. Nothing else.
>
>I have never clowned his weight.
>I have never clowned his drug problem (though I have expressed
>disappointment with it, given that he is someone who took
>pride in assiduously studying the lives and careers of people
>like Marvin Gaye and Rick James and rather than learning
>lessons from their self-destruction, willingly went down the
>same path)
>I didn't talk about how stupid his hair looked on the last
>tour.
>
>All I ever talk about is his MUSIC and/or his failure to
>release more of it.

Yet you didn't say shit about Cody Chesnut's failure to release music....in fact coping the plea that some how him NOT releasing any music was actually a good thing.....lolol..

my point is that your obsession with D'Angelo during this hiatus isn't about music at all because he hasn't released any. There is a reason why he's been on hiatus...and again..to act like said hiatus was do some sort of artistic shortcoming on his part says more about YOUR motives than anything.


>
>WC, you are always claiming that I exaggerate and distort
>people's (ie YOUR) views, but that's always been YOUR style.

you do....you have been exagerating and lying on this board for years man...I stand by it, and I have pointed it out plenty of times to show that what I'm saying is accurate...


>
>When did I clown D's drug problem. All I said is that Artful
>Dodger is standing on shaky ground to define D'Angelo as a
>"recording artist" when in 20 years he has barely recorded
>anything! (Or at least released anything)

and all I'm saying is that you are standing on shaking ground by calling yourself a critic who is critiquing an artist who is not releasing music...

can't have it both ways...You can't call someone out for not recording music then valdiate your obsession with the artist claiming you are simply being a critic ...of music that has not been released...lolol.

anyone can see the extreme double standard here..

You should just say you don't like the nigga and enjoy clowning him and people who do dig him...instead of trying to make your bullshit into something worthy and valid..it's clownish snark...

you follow in behind Maxx's name calling co-signing like flava flav and shit and people are supposed to take your opinion seriously????

lolol.

nigga miss me with that shit.


>Chris Brown has released more recordings than D'Angelo by far,
>so what sense does it make to claim that D is a "recording
>artist" and CB is not? Breezy is twice the recording artist D
>is... that's a fact.
>

So now just releasing music is enough huh??? aren't you the guy who dismisses those who enjoy live instrumentation claiming that just simply playing instruments doesn't mean it's good or quality. Well.... just because Chris Brown is releasing records doesn't mean they are good...just because he is lip-syncing his way through acrobatics during his concerts doesn't mean that it measures up to all the other classic artists who danced...played...and sang...multiple shows in a day and never lip synced...

again...

miss me.


>And in this case, I don't give a shit about his drug problem
>or whatever other plea you might like to cop. I'm not arguing
>over the WHY of it. The issue is not WHY D'Angelo has not made
>music... The issue is that me saying he has not released music
>is a FACT.

and yet you have continued to critic him as if he has released music..

again..I meant not to insult..but that shit is just foolish.

>
>(And no.. bootlegs do not count, AD)
>
>You motherfuckers get emotional as hell over this dude and
>lose all common sense.

the only person getting emotional is you... You are obsessed with expressing your opinion about an artist who has not released any music in years ..... that honestly sounds like an emotional problem.


>If there's anything in my post that was a lie, please point it
>out.
>
>HAS D'Angelo released more records than C Breezy?
>
>If not, STFU

and Chris Brown has released more music than Cody Chesnut.... why not clown him??

I don't fukk with chris brown...never have...don't really dig that type of music....don't dig the lip syncing concerts.... that shit aint me..

I'm about that raw LIVE funky soul...If it ain't that ...it needs to be something other than cookie-cutter-hip-hop-pop-R&B.....otherwise..I don't fukk with it...

>Yet you didn't say shit about Cody Chesnut's failure to
>release music....in fact coping the plea that some how him NOT
>releasing any music was actually a good thing.....lolol..

For one thing: I said that I thought that maybe it would be best if Cody didn't make another record within a year after THM dropped... So I don't see how that equates to copping a plea.

Secondly, Cody BEEN releasing music. Maybe he didn't release an album for years, but he always had songs out.

>my point is that your obsession with D'Angelo during this
>hiatus isn't about music at all because he hasn't released
>any. There is a reason why he's been on hiatus...and again..to
>act like said hiatus was do some sort of artistic shortcoming
>on his part says more about YOUR motives than anything.

It IS about artistic shortcomings on his part, though.

I love how now it's all about the drugs. That's the excuse for everything.

A few years ago, it was all about the women who wanted him to strip and show his body.

Before that it was all about not wanting to compromise his art.

It's always an excuse.

>you do....you have been exagerating and lying on this board
>for years man...I stand by it, and I have pointed it out
>plenty of times to show that what I'm saying is accurate...

I've pointed out your lies and distortions right here in this thread. Nothing abstract about it, just plain black & white.


>and all I'm saying is that you are standing on shaking ground
>by calling yourself a critic who is critiquing an artist who
>is not releasing music...
>
>can't have it both ways...You can't call someone out for not
>recording music then valdiate your obsession with the artist
>claiming you are simply being a critic ...of music that has
>not been released...lolol.

uh... why not? Him not releasing music is every much part of his narrative as him releasing music. Why would that not be open for comment?

There's no double standard there.


>You should just say you don't like the nigga and enjoy
>clowning him and people who do dig him...instead of trying to
>make your bullshit into something worthy and valid..it's
>clownish snark...

I don't know the man to claim that I don't like him. And I don't think I've ever told anybody NOT to like him or tried to force them to accept that they are wrong for liking him.

I just voice MY opinion. If that makes you upset, chances are that you are insecure and you know a lot of things I say are probably at least partially true. And that makes you question your own fandom. Other than that, I can't see what the problem is.


>So now just releasing music is enough huh??? aren't you the
>guy who dismisses those who enjoy live instrumentation
>claiming that just simply playing instruments doesn't mean
>it's good or quality. Well.... just because Chris Brown is
>releasing records doesn't mean they are good...just because he
>is lip-syncing his way through acrobatics during his concerts
>doesn't mean that it measures up to all the other classic
>artists who danced...played...and sang...multiple shows in a
>day and never lip synced...

Because the issue raised by Artfu Dodger was not about whether or not the music was "good."

He claimed that D'Angelo is a recording artist while apparently Chris is something less than that.

"Recording artist" is not standard of quality... "Recording artist" is a term used to describe an artist who produces and releases audio recordings into the market.

Chris Brown does that. D'Angelo does not.

Whether or not you think Chris Brown's music is good is irrelevant.


>and yet you have continued to critic him as if he has released
>music..
>
>again..I meant not to insult..but that shit is just foolish.

When I speak directly about D'Angelo's music, I talk about music he has released or performed publicly. Uh... I fail to understand why it is supposedly prohibited to discuss any of that.


>>If there's anything in my post that was a lie, please point
>it
>>out.
>>
>>HAS D'Angelo released more records than C Breezy?
>>
>>If not, STFU
>
>and Chris Brown has released more music than Cody Chesnut....
>why not clown him??

Because I never tried to mount a bullshit argument claiming that Cody ChesnuTT is a "recording artist" and Chris Brown is not.

Dude... You better fall back. Artful Dodger tried to present a retarded argument and of course, the argument collapsed into itself. Don't try to defend it and get implicated in its stupidity.

>I don't fukk with chris brown...never have...don't really dig
>that type of music....don't dig the lip syncing concerts....
>that shit aint me..
>
>I'm about that raw LIVE funky soul...If it ain't that ...it
>needs to be something other than
>cookie-cutter-hip-hop-pop-R&B.....otherwise..I don't fukk with
>it...

Good for you. We need to get on the Obamaphone and see about getting you a medal ASAP!