i wrote something on beyonce for the huffington post
if u get a chance, please read
thanks

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yeah.

Firstly, props on the article.

I don't think there's anything necessarily invalid about the point you're making in this article. However, I think, unfortunately, like everything else in our media today, it is a conversation between the loud, crazy, ignorant portion of our society. I acknowledge that misogyny still exists loudly, and is embedded deeply and insidiously in our societies dna, however, I don't think it is the sole reason for the antagonistic response towards Beyonce's new song.

Some view the song as divisive, morally reprehensible, undeservingly egotistic. I personally don't like it because I think the song is terrible.

I don't think this issue can simply be id'd as another case heteronormative patriarchy.

Good piece.... Of course I disagree with just about everything you said but I appreciate your point and the passion with which you push it.

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for the intent of Lupe's "Bitch Bad"

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Sort of a Socratic method in play there & despite how long that thread got nobody ever really did.

I don't recall saying Lupe shouldn't use the term 'bitch'.

It's actually fitting one might co-sign the murky moralizing in 'Bitch Bad''s message & then turn around to say that Beyonce shouldn't use the term because she's a mother, because both those attitudes are paternalist and/or misguidingly misogynistic in nature.

"bow down bitches"

if bey had made 'bitch bad' would you still have taken issue? i wouldn't have.

and cherry picking them as phrases, hooks, choruses is important when talking about children as that is what they arrive at first. they don't get the detailed messages adult minds put in it. they don't always understand the hooks. but if they catch they will repeat them and the repeating them is exactly where the effect of them as phrases comes in.

this was the message of Lupe's song as well. that parents should be careful about how these phrases wind up in their children's vocabulary. beyonce is a pernt now and i hope she becomes aware of this.

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that song bangs

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bow down bitches
bow down bitches
bow down bitches
bow down bitches

without listening again, i'm pretty sure the target was not any patriarchy but rather bitches. and sure the patriarch may be some bitches too. but that's not what she's talking about. she's talking to gossipy bitches that make her feel threatened.

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as far as addressing patriarchy was the fact that there is such a big backlash at her lyrics in the song and context of the song shows it... it says that here:

"What kind of world do we live in where a rock star using 'bitch' in her song lyrics elicits immediate outrage and scorn by men and women alike? Oh I know. We reside in a patriarchal, plantational world."

I didnt read in the article that it says that when beyonce says bow down bitches that she is talking to the grand patriarchal system

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If Rihanna (a woman) had made the same song nobody would have blinked because she has consistently presented herself to us as BadgalRiri... We expect that from her, or at least, we are prepared to receive such messages from her. And perhaps more importantly, Rihanna IS genuinely a "rock star" in a way that Bey is not.

Bey has not given us much of a precedent for "Bow down, bitches"... Hell, did you see how Twitter blew up when Beyonce uttered the word "shit" on her (wack) documentary.

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There are literally headlines everyday pointing out her "crazy" behavior.

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>There are literally headlines everyday pointing out her
>"crazy" behavior.



This^^^^^^cannot be refuted....

But that craziness is what has also helped her move units and garner fame...

It's that catch 22....

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>There are literally headlines everyday pointing out her
>"crazy" behavior.

Those headlines aren't there because people don't "accept" her behavior... They're there because people LOVE it. They can't get enough of it. It sells papers and generates pageclicks. Folks love to gasp and pretend they're shocked when Riri posts a pic of herself with no pants on, but they all retweet the shit. Everybody goes on about how terrible it is that she's back with Breezy and how she's dead to them, but they still have to report on every move the couple makes because they're sexy and dangerous and they don't want to miss it in case he kills her this time.

That's a completely different animal from the kind of attention Beyonce is getting. Like I said, Rihanna is a *rock star* in a way that Beyonce is not, and the public actively enjoys watching rock stars indulge in bad behavior.

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There's TONS of criticism. Half the articles about her weed smoking, relationship w/ Chris etc. are about it needed to stop and how she needs intervention. Remember when she smoked w/ Snoop backstage at Coachella? All the articles following that were about how she needs to be stopped. People love it yes, but they still don't accept it.

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directed toward her that is very much patriarch fused

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nobody cares about the word 'bitch' it's 'bitch bow down' that's the problem.

all the 'oh the man is trying to keep a good woman from her right to say bitch' is completely at the expense of the bottom of the female pyramid (phalus) Bey has erected with herself at the top, from which she shouts down to the little girls looking up to her, "BOW DOWN BITCHES!!"

Now that's how you stand up to the man. But I digress. Hopefully Michelle Obama will go to press with a little blurb about how when Malia is getting out of control she reminds her of her place by yelling "Bow Down Bitch" like her favorite singer Beyonce, which of course would make it alright. Ooops I digressed already.

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>all the 'oh the man is trying to keep a good woman from her
>right to say bitch' is completely at the expense of the bottom
>of the female pyramid (phalus) Bey has erected with herself at
>the top, from which she shouts down to the little girls
>looking up to her, "BOW DOWN BITCHES!!"

Shes not talking to little girls..the song is clear in subject matter


>Now that's how you stand up to the man. But I digress.
>Hopefully Michelle Obama will go to press with a little blurb
>about how when Malia is getting out of control she reminds her
>of her place by yelling "Bow Down Bitch" like her favorite
>singer Beyonce, which of course would make it alright. Ooops
>I digressed already.

yea...hopefully not


and again.. nobody is doing this: "trying to politicize everyday ratchet as a blow to patriarchy"

I dont even see how you got that at all

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>Shes not talking to little girls..the song is clear in subject
>matter

But little girls are listening:

"I know when you were little girls
You dreamt of being in my world
Don�t forget it , don�t forget it
Respect that, bow down bitches"

>and again.. nobody is doing this: "trying to politicize
>everyday ratchet as a blow to patriarchy"
>
>I dont even see how you got that at all

so a piece in huf po called beyonce and the patriarchal industrial complex is doing what exactly?


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>But little girls are listening:

So you are one of thoooose music listeners... shhh..the kids can hear you. I dont argue with yall.



>"I know when you were little girls
>You dreamt of being in my world
>Don�t forget it , don�t forget it
>Respect that, bow down bitches"

Thats what the song says, yes.





>>and again.. nobody is doing this: "trying to politicize
>>everyday ratchet as a blow to patriarchy"
>>
>>I dont even see how you got that at all
>
>so a piece in huf po called beyonce and the patriarchal
>industrial complex is doing what exactly?

Its saying that a big part of people being mad at the song is because their patriarchal narrow vision of beyonce is ruined by it. Thats what I got out of it

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>>But little girls are listening:
>
>So you are one of thoooose music listeners... shhh..the kids
>can hear you. I dont argue with yall.

Sure you do.

The whole point of the song, which references the fact that she is idolized by little girls is to tell those little girls if they grow up to be something reminiscent of a threat to her, they best to bow down. That's the message of the song period.

This isn't about Bey's ability to use the word bitch, it's about her creating the same type of hierarchical structure which Fire says she's trying to tear down.

>Thats what the song says, yes.

"Don't forget it"

>>so a piece in huf po called beyonce and the patriarchal
>>industrial complex is doing what exactly?
>
>Its saying that a big part of people being mad at the song is
>because their patriarchal narrow vision of beyonce is ruined
>by it. Thats what I got out of it

Hey I have no stake at all in the Beyonce race. I don't listen to her music. I am in fact impressed upon by her public image. One which, unless Fire's talking about her dad, isn't being pressed upon me without her consent by the illumnatied phallus. I know that her last big single was about how girls rule the world, i know that single ladies was supposed to be an anthem about the strength of woman to make powerful mate choices, i know she just had a daughter less than a year ago, I know that the first lady of the country has cited her as a model for young black women coming up, and i know that with this one song she said fuck all that because she felt threatened by the bitches out there.


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the song is about her status amongst those who idolize her

It is, what part? what people? little girls? other female singers?


>The whole point of the song, which references the fact that
>she is idolized by little girls is to tell those little girls
>if they grow up to be something reminiscent of a threat to
>her, they best to bow down. That's the message of the song
>period.

hahahahahaha you are stretch armstrong... So when Ali said he was the greatest, he was telling little boys if they grew up to be boxers he'd kick their asses?

She is clearly obvious speaking to a specific group of people...other current female r&b singers..Rihanna, keri hilson, keyshia cole and them...clearly.




>This isn't about Bey's ability to use the word bitch, it's
>about her creating the same type of hierarchical structure
>which Fire says she's trying to tear down.

Right, because her field is not competitive at all.


>Hey I have no stake at all in the Beyonce race. I don't
>listen to her music.

I dont like her at all..so this means nothing to me.


I am in fact impressed upon by her
>public image. One which, unless Fire's talking about her dad,
>isn't being pressed upon me without her consent by the
>illumnatied phallus. I know that her last big single was about
>how girls rule the world, i know that single ladies was
>supposed to be an anthem about the strength of woman to make
>powerful mate choices, i know she just had a daughter less
>than a year ago, I know that the first lady of the country has
>cited her as a model for young black women coming up, and i
>know that with this one song she said fuck all that because
>she felt threatened by the bitches out there.


^^^^This is what Fire was talking about in the article... she ruined her whole image by telling her r&b counterparts the she the queen of the shit? Because she used the work bitch in doing so? Thats so fucking ridiculous, but ill let you have that. have fun in 1938.

and for the records, she says "I know when you WERE little girls..." talking to adult women, obviously... saying to them that I have been on top before you were here, and now that you are here, I'm still on top...saying this to a specific group of people.

Just curious, who do you listen to? I want to see you apply this picky bitch fit of lyric analysis to someone else

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>the song is about her status amongst those who idolize her
>
>It is, what part? what people? little girls? other female
>singers?

The ones who idolize are the ones who give the status. It's not the other artists, its the fans who give the status. So it her status amongst the fans, of which a substantial number are girls. This isn't some internal memo to r&b singers it's put out there publicly for the *fans*.

>
>>The whole point of the song, which references the fact that
>>she is idolized by little girls is to tell those little
>girls
>>if they grow up to be something reminiscent of a threat to
>>her, they best to bow down. That's the message of the song
>>period.
>
>hahahahahaha you are stretch armstrong...

She says 'idolized me when you were girls' her words not mine. Of course she's talking about artists not the fans but she's telling the artist that they were fans, to put said artists down.

>She is clearly obvious speaking to a specific group of
>people...other current female r&b singers..Rihanna, keri
>hilson, keyshia cole and them...clearly.

What do all of these woman have in common, lots of their fans are little girls.

>I am in fact impressed upon by her
>>public image. One which, unless Fire's talking about her
>dad,
>>isn't being pressed upon me without her consent by the
>>illumnatied phallus. I know that her last big single was
>about
>>how girls rule the world, i know that single ladies was
>>supposed to be an anthem about the strength of woman to make
>>powerful mate choices, i know she just had a daughter less
>>than a year ago, I know that the first lady of the country
>has
>>cited her as a model for young black women coming up, and i
>>know that with this one song she said fuck all that because
>>she felt threatened by the bitches out there.
>
>
>^^^^This is what Fire was talking about in the article... she
>ruined her whole image by telling her r&b counterparts the she
>the queen of the shit?

I didn't say she ruined anything. I said she disregareded (or said fuck all that) because she felt threatened.

> Because she used the work bitch in
>doing so?

You keep focusing on bitch when the problem is bow down = hierarchical ~ patriarchy. Bitch is incidental.

>Thats so fucking ridiculous, but ill let you have
>that. have fun in 1938.

It's 2013 and you're defending the supremacy of a "Queen"

>Just curious, who do you listen to? I want to see you apply
>this picky bitch fit of lyric analysis to someone else

Choice words.

Pretty sure there was a parallel amount of 'outrage' for Trinidad James' use of the word nigga and the whole image he portrayed. I didn't give a fuck about him or the issue and didn't really give a fuck about this beyond whether or not it would enter my daughter's world. Same with Trinidad.

As a parent of daughters who are influenced by people of her status with or without my consent (vis a vis friends, internet etc) a large part of my listening is about knowing what messages they could potentially be receiving from the pop world. The message of this is clear. "Bow Down Bitches". Everything I've had to say comes from that place. It literally has no place in my personal listening.


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Since we're not engaging in the actual debate and just presenting false summaries of the other guys arguments as headlines... why not. Bey did it. Bow down bitch.

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Yes, yes it is

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many many folks, large & small were outraged at beyonce using the 'b' word. hell look at the comments on huffpost under my article. people are shocked & awed at her 'cussing'

it's what i love about her

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Was that "patriarchy" too?

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sucks you on bullshit.

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i'd say i could relate however i just can't get with no Illiuminati support.

somebody need to tell Beyonce to stop crying and make some grown folks music.

to me she is like a crying brat, got the world behind her, using the B Word is a tacky gimmick. i mean this chick is 15 years deep in the game and she is just trying to keep up with RHianna. i mean she outta be in the class and style era not being a wanna be corny Hood rat. Beyonce is one Jive turkey.

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this was a bunch of bullshit! lol Sorry to say it but props for getting it on Huff Post. That is a very good look. My reasons for criticizing Beyonce for that hot ass mess of a song have already been stated so no need for me to beat a dead horse....but I'll say this one last thing and leave it alone. She really needs to go back in the studio and come again with some grown folks music and forget about Rihanna and 'em. If anything, she needs to keep her eye on Adele who is slaying everybody right now making Adult Contemporary music that is classic and timeless. Adele pushed 22 million albums last year. Wasn't that what Beyonce was complaining about in her boring ass documentary? Wasn't she just talking about people aren't making albums anymore? Well Adele is making albums and killing it! So the only thing I have to say to Beyonce is focus Bey. Focus! Stay in your lane or it will truly be a wrap! She better get her mind right cuz she looking real foolish and insecure right now! smh

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>Beyonce will lose most of the fans she got if she makes music
>like that. Show me a black artist that has made great music
>and moved a lot of units too recently. I can't think of none.

Beyonce will continue to steadily lose fans if she doesn't. She is getting older, has transitioned into motherhood and is a wife now. She needs to leave that ratchet mess alone. You don't go from singing at the White House & talking about women empowerment to saying "bow down bitches". Ain't nobody tryna hear that from her except her most diehard stans. Everybody else is shaking their head and ain't fucking with that foolishness. She better get her mind right!

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>Sade's "Soldier of Love" album pushed over 500,000 copies the
>first week out the gate and was #1 in over 13 countries
>worldwide with a successful sold out tour. Grown folks music!

There artists who are artists first and artists who are celebrities first.

The desire to need to be a celebrity is what will have you looking like a damn fool singing Bow Down Bitches.

>There artists who are artists first and artists who are
>celebrities first.
>
>The desire to need to be a celebrity is what will have you
>looking like a damn fool singing Bow Down Bitches.

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>
>>Sade's "Soldier of Love" album pushed over 500,000 copies
>the
>>first week out the gate and was #1 in over 13 countries
>>worldwide with a successful sold out tour. Grown folks
>music!
>
>There artists who are artists first and artists who are
>celebrities first.
>
>The desire to need to be a celebrity is what will have you
>looking like a damn fool singing Bow Down Bitches.

Everybody understands it. Beyonce and Sade are nothing alike. Sade has presented her brand the same way over three decades. Bringing her in as an example to counter what Bey is currently doing makes no sense. Show me a current black artist doing what Sade is doing with the same amount of success. You can't.

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What im saying is that at some point in an artists career, they have to decide which way they're going to go, the artistic side or the entertainment side.

Beyonce has walked the line for some time now and I would go as far to saying, represents herself more on the artistic side. Problem is, her song choice and actions don't align with that.

People see Beyonce as having the talent to be in that class of respected popular artists like Mariah, Whitney, Sade, Adele etc but Beyonce is only on their level as far as popularity, not as a respected artist. This song now knocks her even farther away which is why I think some people are more disappointed than mad.

Those artists I named can and will perform into an old age. The Music Beyonce is doing is not going to allow that. You think she will sell out a tour when she is closing in on 60 like Sade singing Bow Down Bitches? People don't want to hear that bullshit.

Again, not comparing her musically or even artistically to Sade, just her public perception. She should be on those other legendary acts' level easily.

But SHE is keeping herself from getting there by doing things like this.

And I really don't care one way or the other becaus I don't listen to her. It's just a little unbelievable that people don't see what the issue it to me.

>
>>Sade's "Soldier of Love" album pushed over 500,000 copies
>the
>>first week out the gate and was #1 in over 13 countries
>>worldwide with a successful sold out tour. Grown folks
>music!
>
>There artists who are artists first and artists who are
>celebrities first.
>
>The desire to need to be a celebrity is what will have you
>looking like a damn fool singing Bow Down Bitches.

Never will be. Sade has a loyal following that has rocked with her since the 80s. What current black artist will be able to make that kind of album along with the fanfare? You're comparing two completely different artist fam.

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>Never will be. Sade has a loyal following that has rocked
>with her since the 80s. What current black artist will be able
>to make that kind of album along with the fanfare? You're
>comparing two completely different artist fam.

Beyonce could have that following too but only if she has the courage to grow artistically and put out the right music. "Bow down Bitches" ain't it! Beyonce is popular but she isn't timeless. She has the potential to be though. There just seems to be waaaaaaay too many people gassing her up like she has reached the pinnacle of artistic growth and success when there is still much room for improvement! Beyonce's stans are her biggest supporters yet they are her biggest enemies at the same time because according to them she can do no wrong. If I was her I wouldn't trust them! smh

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>Beyonce could have that following too but only if she has the
>courage to grow artistically and put out the right music. "Bow
>down Bitches" ain't it! Beyonce is popular but she isn't
>timeless. She has the potential to be though. There just seems
>to be waaaaaaay too many people gassing her up like she has
>reached the pinnacle of artistic growth and success when there
>is still much room for improvement! Beyonce's stans are her
>biggest supporters yet they are her biggest enemies at the
>same time because according to them she can do no wrong. If I
>was her I wouldn't trust them! smh
>

She has reached the pinnacle of her success. Artistic growth, no and nothing she has
done so far makes me think she's interested in artistic growth.

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1 beyonce should make any type of music she wants

2 adele sucks booty crack... anybody that grew up listening to real soul music aint moved by that bland ass matzoh ball soup soul

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>1 beyonce should make any type of music she wants

Oh she can make any type of music she wants but not everything she makes should be released to the public...and if it is released...everything she makes isn't always going to be well received by the public either.


>2 adele sucks booty crack... anybody that grew up listening to
>real soul music aint moved by that bland ass matzoh ball soup
>soul

I grew up listening to real soul music and I can appreciate Adele. She isn't soul music at all and I personally do not refer to her as such. She is Adult Contemporary Pop music. Her songwriting is the truth!

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>I grew up listening to real soul music and I can appreciate
>Adele. She isn't soul music at all and I personally do not
>refer to her as such. She is Adult Contemporary Pop music. Her
>songwriting is the truth!

i can get with this^^^^^

alice smith is still 10x the talent and writer.

adele is one of those propped up white artists

nothing more

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>I grew up listening to real soul music and I can appreciate
>Adele. She isn't soul music at all and I personally do not
>refer to her as such. She is Adult Contemporary Pop music. Her
>songwriting is the truth!

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& shot dead iin the head. grown people cannot complain about the quality of music being made by younger people if we sit around & divide music between youth or old head. ageism sucks either way. growing up i heard the musical youth on the radio next to luther vandross. music is either good or it isn't. bow down is HEAVILY hip hop driven so it should sound like a rap song, which is what i think beyonce was aiming for. & i will instantly not like beyonce if she dared to try to do what adele or sade is doing. that is not, nor has it ever been her ilk. i don't need my artists to grow up more than i need them to evolve/change.

only AFKAP came close to giving a logical explanation of why he disagreed...

but...on the simplest level...

the amount of times the word BITCH has been spewed in the last 20 years...mostly in contexts that were highly misogynistic... people really gonna complain about this???

what she wrote was BS?

the comparison to nigga? is BS???

maybe i'm getting old and cant understand shit. but i dont even think its arguable.

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>only AFKAP came close to giving a logical explanation of why
>he disagreed...

The same thing AFKAP said I already pointed out in a previous thread. I'm not invested enough into Beyonce and her career to debunk Fire's article. She is entitled to her opinion and I have way more things I need to concentrate on this beautiful Sunday morning.

The bottom line is this...Beyonce ain't making no statement against the patriarchal system. She is just cattily telling other females in the game to "bow down" because she feels threatened and insecure in her position. She is just terrified of being forgotten about and surpassed by those she feels looked up to her. It ain't hard to see that. Beyonce is really a fluffy kind of artist and not a deep thinking, serious and revolutionary kind of artist. If anything she has heavily played into the patriarchal system her entire career but that is a whole other discussion.

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>The bottom line is this...Beyonce ain't making no statement
>against the patriarchal system. She is just cattily telling
>other females in the game to "bow down" because she feels
>threatened and insecure in her position. She is just terrified
>of being forgotten about and surpassed by those she feels
>looked up to her. It ain't hard to see that. Beyonce is really
>a fluffy kind of artist and not a deep thinking, serious and
>revolutionary kind of artist. If anything she has heavily
>played into the patriarchal system her entire career but that
>is a whole other discussion.
>
>


Any other view point is not only an excuse, it's ignorant and counterproductive on the real issue.