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bavid dammer
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"jay dee's rockwilder period was so wack."
Mon Jan-14-13 04:09 AM by bavid dammer

  

          

i know i've made this post before, i know some people can't acknowledge that jay dee made any missteps in his career...
but this just came on random while i was doing something for work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS2po1Fy3Ag

this was so fucking wack.

i'd rather listen to ll cool j - imagine that and i'd never like to hear that song again in my life.

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nah. shit knocks.
Jan 14th 2013
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you mean, you didn't like it. ok. that's fine. n/m
Jan 14th 2013
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actually, it was a natural evolution of Detroit techno
Jan 14th 2013
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^^^^^^^
Jan 16th 2013
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im sorry but you are waaay off base. "What Up" is ridiculous
Jan 14th 2013
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yeah, i like that one.
Jan 14th 2013
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      Whatever. That shit stands up well, IMO
Jan 14th 2013
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      ok yea, if you count the beat CD joints then i agree
Jan 14th 2013
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THIS is the joint you chose to make your point? This one bangs.
Jan 14th 2013
5
this guy.
Jan 14th 2013
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thanks for your reply.
Jan 14th 2013
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damn shit bangs!
Jan 14th 2013
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RE: damn shit bangs!
Jan 14th 2013
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that Frank n Dank shit sounds better than ever in 2013
Jan 14th 2013
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how bad would it have sounded in 1993?
Jan 14th 2013
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Damn I forgot how dope Off Ya Chest is
Jan 14th 2013
9
RE: Damn I forgot how dope Off Ya Chest is
Jan 15th 2013
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thank you for reminding me of this banging-ass track
Jan 14th 2013
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thanks for clicking the thread.
Jan 14th 2013
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      you're welcome as well
Jan 14th 2013
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           thanks for you're observation.
Jan 14th 2013
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                anytime, playa.
Jan 14th 2013
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you pick the wrong track this shit bang
Jan 14th 2013
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damn, you'll love these then:
Jan 14th 2013
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      I see your comparison...
Jan 14th 2013
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      nope I meant you picked the wrong Jay Dee track...I Don't like
Jan 14th 2013
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      stylewise yes, sonically tho? not at all
Jan 15th 2013
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We're FRANK! AND! DANK!
Jan 14th 2013
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they were some weak joints on the shelved frank n dank album
Jan 14th 2013
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I don't *love* this one either, but you can't write off that whole era
Jan 14th 2013
25
I liked Peer Pressure it work great with the song
Jan 14th 2013
27
Yeah, I don't hate it. The verse part of the beat just feels kinda dull....
Jan 14th 2013
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What people forget about this era
Jan 14th 2013
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thanks i really like this reply
Jan 15th 2013
50
peer pressure beat is fucking bonkers
Jan 15th 2013
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      ^
Jan 23rd 2013
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      Peer Pressure is actually one of Dilla's more impressive beats
Jan 23rd 2013
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           I actually listened to the instrumental after making that comment...
Jan 23rd 2013
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One of my fave Dilla joints
Jan 14th 2013
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Have you heard some of the OG Frank-N-Dank takes
Jan 14th 2013
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      oh this is HEAT
Jan 14th 2013
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      that joint is HARD, never heard it before n/m
Jan 14th 2013
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      "I'll Bet U Will" Ended Up As "Street Life" Off The "48 Hours" Album
Jan 15th 2013
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           And don't forget "Push"
Jan 15th 2013
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                RE: And don't forget "Push"
Jan 15th 2013
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                     Dayum,
Jan 18th 2013
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I was not a fan of Jaylib
Jan 14th 2013
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well Madlib just pick some beats to rap over tho didn't he
Jan 14th 2013
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      no.
Jan 15th 2013
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           How is that different from what Menph said?
Jan 15th 2013
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                lol
Jan 15th 2013
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well
Jan 14th 2013
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I'd never even heard this track but this shit kinda dope
Jan 14th 2013
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Keep It Coming
Jan 14th 2013
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RE: Keep It Coming
Jan 15th 2013
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Rite Bites
Jan 14th 2013
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huh?...this beat bangs like fuck! even the goofy soundfx sound dope.
Jan 14th 2013
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You Buggin' The J-Dilla/Frank-N-Dank Stuff Was Bangin'...
Jan 14th 2013
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You have heard this, right?
Jan 19th 2013
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      Yeah I Heard This About 3 Years Ago On Houseshoes' LastFM...
Jan 19th 2013
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http://media.newschoolers.com/uploads/images/17/00/43/96/59/439659.gif
Jan 14th 2013
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lol.
Jan 15th 2013
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RE: jay dee's rockwilder period was so wack.
Jan 15th 2013
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thanks for replying.
Jan 16th 2013
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you mustve been one of the 2 people that disliked the video on youtube
Jan 15th 2013
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lol
Jan 16th 2013
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fuck you and what you listen to
Jan 15th 2013
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I wouldn't say suck, but it was surely not filled with invention
Jan 16th 2013
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I agree with this
Jan 19th 2013
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I don't like this song
Jan 16th 2013
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it's super dull and derivative.
Jan 16th 2013
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      I don't even think its dull but I agree with the aging part
Jan 16th 2013
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the Neptunes impersonation on Take Dem Clothes off was embarrassing
Jan 16th 2013
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it's a very bad period.
Jan 16th 2013
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I always assumed those misses were the result of trying too hard
Jan 16th 2013
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      move was so obviously inspired by da rockwilder.
Jan 16th 2013
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Push ft MED is his good Neptunes track imo
Jan 16th 2013
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true
Jan 16th 2013
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you like trannies though
Jan 19th 2013
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      HOL' UP
Jan 19th 2013
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      stop trolling.
Jan 21st 2013
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I thought it was impressive that most of those joints were samples.
Jan 16th 2013
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THANK YOU FOR THIS POST.
Jan 16th 2013
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The 48 hours beats were kinda undercooked
Jan 16th 2013
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flames
Jan 16th 2013
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      agreed. that one is outstandingly dope.
Jan 16th 2013
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      De La Soul "Relax" (tubeyou lank)
Jan 17th 2013
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           neither the De La or SV versions measure up
Jan 17th 2013
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RE: jay dee's rockwilder period was so wack.
Jan 16th 2013
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Bammer makes this thing look amauteur...
Jan 16th 2013
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goodness that shit is wack. i'm mad you exposed me to it :(
Jan 16th 2013
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I don't like the 'string hits' but the synth + modulator shit?
Jan 16th 2013
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I'll be damned if I tolerate shit becaus of who did it
Jan 17th 2013
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      that's you
Jan 23rd 2013
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           I never said it was wack
Jan 23rd 2013
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Anyone getting the 48 Hours instrumentals?
Jan 19th 2013
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To be perfectly honest
Jan 19th 2013
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      RE: To be perfectly honest
Jan 19th 2013
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      sounds as good as any
Jan 20th 2013
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RE: jay dee's rockwilder period was so wack.
Jan 21st 2013
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I prefer 2 Chainz to Frank & Dank
Jan 23rd 2013
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      LOL.
Jan 23rd 2013
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1. "nah. shit knocks."
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2. "you mean, you didn't like it. ok. that's fine. n/m"
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3. "actually, it was a natural evolution of Detroit techno"
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and the music that we heard on the radio growing up.

perfect to get your Errol Flynn on to. but you wouldn't know shit about that.

it's ok. it's alrigggggght...

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61. "^^^^^^^"
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>and the music that we heard on the radio growing up.
>
>perfect to get your Errol Flynn on to. but you wouldn't know
>shit about that.


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4. "im sorry but you are waaay off base. "What Up" is ridiculous "
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH0maWK-O1c

  

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12. "yeah, i like that one."
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Mon Jan-14-13 02:08 PM by bavid dammer

  

          

the period itself just has so many duds.
frank-n-dank
his jaylib beats
the whole beat tape that contained "what up" was dud city

it was just a terrible, derivative period in his career where he was yearning to play catch up to the times in arguably the most shitty period in black music history.
yet, it never gets acknowledged as a misstep of any kind.

just my opinion, i know i'm not alone, despite how unfavorable it might be.

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21. "Whatever. That shit stands up well, IMO"
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26. "ok yea, if you count the beat CD joints then i agree"
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alot of duds.

counting only the placed tracks then i disagree.

i'd actually say overall Dilla had an equal amount of duds throughout all of his eras. Moreso during his "Jay Dee" period. He had some snoozers but what producer doesn't.

We kinda got a rare opportunity, in a way, to listen to his vault of tracks. Outside of Madlib, we don't get this kind of insight to producers and i think it would be unfair to completely write them off.

  

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5. "THIS is the joint you chose to make your point? This one bangs."
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6. "this guy."
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NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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15. "thanks for your reply."
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7. "damn shit bangs!"
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thanks for turnin me on to that, hadnt heard it before.

  

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10. "RE: damn shit bangs!"
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>thanks for turnin me on to that, hadnt heard it before.

LOL.

Seriously..

Thank you for contributing some cool shit to listen to.

  

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8. "that Frank n Dank shit sounds better than ever in 2013"
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20. "how bad would it have sounded in 1993?"
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9. "Damn I forgot how dope Off Ya Chest is"
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Man I wish I could hear the whole 48 Hours in its original form, though I do enjoy the current one.

  

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54. "RE: Damn I forgot how dope Off Ya Chest is"
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Its out there

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11. "thank you for reminding me of this banging-ass track "
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13. "thanks for clicking the thread."
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your welcome.

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14. "you're welcome as well "
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>your welcome.

  

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16. "thanks for you're observation."
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36. "anytime, playa."
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17. "you pick the wrong track this shit bang"
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http://twitter.com/Menphyel7


"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

  

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19. "damn, you'll love these then:"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6dxz2SwbYI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iily4-EmYRQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4q5BcWUFCA

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22. "I see your comparison..."
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...but they don't sound alike. Not really at all. Kinda in the same stylistic ballpark. That's about it.

  

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23. "nope I meant you picked the wrong Jay Dee track...I Don't like"
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all his electro track period either but you didn't pick the right one.

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56. "stylewise yes, sonically tho? not at all"
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18. "We're FRANK! AND! DANK!"
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Detroit players, how else do you want it
McNasty niggas! Who you think this is?

  

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24. "they were some weak joints on the shelved frank n dank album"
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but you picked the wrong beat to showcase...cause this one kinda goes hard.
thanks for the reminder. i haven't heard it in a while.

  

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25. "I don't *love* this one either, but you can't write off that whole era"
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Most of the tracks he gave Busta during that period knocked. And judging from the Dillagence mixtape Busta may have claimed/purchased some of the doper beats from the Jaylib leak that didn't make Champion Sound. Plus Welcome 2 Detroit is a part of that time frame, along with the B-Side Move, Bahamadia's One-4-Teen, The SV Trinity tracks, Let's Grow, Spacek's Eve Remix, and the handful of solid cuts on 48 Hrs like Keep It Coming, Ma Dukes and so on.

That said, I will admit that there were some duds on 48 Hrs. And the Peer Pressure track for De La and the beats he gave Kweli for Quality never really did much for me. But still, to call that whole time frame "wack" is a bit much.

  

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27. "I liked Peer Pressure it work great with the song"
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28. "Yeah, I don't hate it. The verse part of the beat just feels kinda dull...."
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especially in contrast to the hook. It's a cool song though.

  

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29. "What people forget about this era"
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Was that it was his engineering peak. If you listen to those 2002 Batches, it sounds like they were mastered. Whether you like the beats or not is up to you, but they were perfectly mixed. He would later abandon his set up and go back to the stripped down sound that created Donuts and the Motown beats.

  

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50. "thanks i really like this reply"
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To people like US, a record is a piece of history. A moment in time.
Most people don't get it.

  

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57. "peer pressure beat is fucking bonkers"
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Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

  

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96. "^"
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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98. "Peer Pressure is actually one of Dilla's more impressive beats"
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If you listen to the instrumental, there's a lot going on that you may not have noticed at first.

It's one of my favs of his.

  

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99. "I actually listened to the instrumental after making that comment..."
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And you're right about the nuances. I enjoyed it more listening to just the beat itself. Still though, I don't love it in the way that you and the handful of cats above seem to lol. I guess it's just too slow for my tastes. Plus it just feels like it's missing.....something. Maybe my ear wants it to be bouncier or to have a more pronounced bassline. Like the Genesis track has a relatively slow tempo as well and I love that beat. *shrug*

  

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30. "One of my fave Dilla joints"
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Like that whole period, he was getting into playing more and really creating these futuristic-styled bangers. In fact, it sounds fresh as hell in 2013.

Thanks for reminding me I need to dig more joints from this period up! You're good for something my man!

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31. "Have you heard some of the OG Frank-N-Dank takes"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlE3YHB9GC8

Some really dope shit from that era.

  

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33. "oh this is HEAT"
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thank you!

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41. "that joint is HARD, never heard it before n/m"
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44. ""I'll Bet U Will" Ended Up As "Street Life" Off The "48 Hours" Album"
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I like both versions of "I'll Bet U Will" aka "Street Life", also "Where's The Parties At?" 12inch version verses the album version, but if I had to choose I like the "48 Hours" album versions a little bit more.


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47. "And don't forget "Push""
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Love the beat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS5eVbj7yIc

  

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52. "RE: And don't forget "Push""
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This shit is so ILL. Got the 12" somewhere round the crib. Gotta go find it now. Simple beat, but the rhythm is sooooo damn funky.

I don't like using the term "swag" anymore but this is definitely a "swag Dilla beat". That swing baby.

  

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84. "Dayum,"
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it IS simple, but shhh is DOPE!

Thats two main chords repeated times infintite and kick snare kick snare - and it works PERFECTLY. Simplicity perfected.

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32. "I was not a fan of Jaylib"
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Matter of fact I thought Madlib sonned him..
And the majority of Frank & Dank tracks were horrible, the one posted however was not one of them.

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35. "well Madlib just pick some beats to rap over tho didn't he"
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from a beat tape..Dilla really had nothing to do with it then they decided to do the jaylib thing after that.

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49. "no. "
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initially Madlib rapped over some beattape stuff for himself and scrawled Jaylib on the CD-R. Dilla caught wind of it and told him they should just make an album. they sent each other instrumentals back and forth and two-tracked Jaylib LP together.

  

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51. "How is that different from what Menph said?"
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55. "lol"
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i mean a-alike explanations, but somehow menph left out that key info...lmao

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34. "well"
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no - I really dug the FnD joint (some tracks more then other) when i got my hands on it years ago - thinking this was way before its time (as usual) - i like "tek" dilla - in fact Hoe's of SV's Trinity is on of my favorite dilla productions,,

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37. "I'd never even heard this track but this shit kinda dope"
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38. "Keep It Coming"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj-BXlRdueM
that Steel Drum flip at the end too.

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53. "RE: Keep It Coming"
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Love that song/beat - my favorite on that album (

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39. "Rite Bites"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1z_GtBkAP0
whooo!

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40. "huh?...this beat bangs like fuck! even the goofy soundfx sound dope."
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i actually like dilla's synthed out tracks; he does that sound well. plus, he always has some ill melody and/or drums to make it sound even more raw.

frank-n-dank sort of suck...but this beat is nice.

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42. "You Buggin' The J-Dilla/Frank-N-Dank Stuff Was Bangin'..."
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...club-wise and for those that wanted dope pimp, ho, & player type raps with beats that knocked and would get even the underground heads boppin'.

I still listen to "48 Hours" (the second version), too bad the original version of that album never was leaked other than the three songs that were on the 12inch.

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85. "You have heard this, right?"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjnfaVw3S94

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92. "Yeah I Heard This About 3 Years Ago On Houseshoes' LastFM..."
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...account, between that site and his "Smokey The Cat" myspace account, Houseshoes use to upload/leak a lot of dope songs & instrumentals.


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43. "http://media.newschoolers.com/uploads/images/17/00/43/96/59/439659.gif"
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http://media.newschoolers.com/uploads/images/17/00/43/96/59/439659.gif

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45. "lol."
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46. "RE: jay dee's rockwilder period was so wack."
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I agree wholeheartedly. That frank n dank album was full of this crap. I actually thought he was toast until I heard 'fuck the police'.

  

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64. "thanks for replying."
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48. "you mustve been one of the 2 people that disliked the video on youtube"
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you ole big head nigga.. this shit knocks.

  

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59. "lol"
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>you ole big head nigga.. this shit knocks.

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58. "fuck you and what you listen to"
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60. "I wouldn't say suck, but it was surely not filled with invention"
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48 Hrs is basically the same beat over and over again and I didn't care for it, but there's some good beats in that period

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87. "I agree with this"
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48 Hours was dull to me.

  

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62. "I don't like this song "
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But that's me

  

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65. "it's super dull and derivative."
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if you actually put this on in a club in 2002 - it would have resulted in the club going out of business the next week.

i mean if the originals by rockwilder have aged terrible 10 years later, beats by jay dee from this era have aged even worse.

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70. "I don't even think its dull but I agree with the aging part"
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63. "the Neptunes impersonation on Take Dem Clothes off was embarrassing"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLBzhHwgX9s

a lot of those more "commercial" beats are mediocre at best. a lot of those later Frank N Dank beats don't constitute "DILLA" in my mind. I wasn't feeling What Up initially, but it works in the context of those Jaylib instrumentals

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66. "it's a very bad period."
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he was trying to throw a curve ball at everyone after "the blast" blew up with his 90's sound.
ok, that's fine.
but he was really out of his element.
i know a lot of people will say everything he did had a certain level of craftsmenship to it, and that's true.
so if that's what you're appreciating or focusing on, then i guess these are beyond reproach.
the issue that i have is they are awful, awful attempts at club bangers.
that bang in no club anywhere.
i have always said frank-n-dank were the most unsuccessful club rappers of all-time.
even smilez and southstar had their moment in the sun.
they're like an underground smilez and southstar who just happened to have an out-of-his-element jay dee at the helm of their music.
the results, were mixed are best.
unbearably bad at worst.
i just have to point this out on here every few years.

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67. "I always assumed those misses were the result of trying too hard"
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like he was lost professionally

EDIT better link for Move

thing is, he could make bangers. imo Pause (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVbBGjmnbbU)
and Move (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnB7N3Tuc2w)
are bonafide bangers--both songs even feature Frank N Dank

Move is classic 4 on the floor Detroit

and, from my limited knowledge, no one was really making songs like that in the early 2000s



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68. "move was so obviously inspired by da rockwilder."
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69. "Push ft MED is his good Neptunes track imo"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oVzIgPjkfo

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78. "true"
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88. "you like trannies though"
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of course a song about women stripping isnt your thing

  

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89. "HOL' UP "
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we ain't letting this shit slide, what's the skinny

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94. "stop trolling."
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>of course a song about women stripping isnt your thing


you know, that would explain why I like Pinkyxxx, Cubana Lust, and have a
grip of Chocolate Honeys vids on my external HD. oh wait, it doesn't

since we're on the topic, Jaylib's - Strip Club represents a classic
Dilla beat from that era. it's completely different from his 90s work,
something no one would expect from Jay Dee. still sounds fresh today

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71. "I thought it was impressive that most of those joints were samples."
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Back when I didn't have the knowledge, I guessed that he was playing the Triton/Trinity on most of those beats. I know he re-did a bunch of the FnD tracks because of sample clearance (the Supremes-less version of "Ma Dukes" is still nasty as hell) but I assumed a lot of the more minimal beats (including a bunch that Madlib picked for the retail version of Jaylib) were just Dilla fucking around with a keyboard, moving on to a new sound (Neptunes, or uh...Rockwilder-influenced).

Then you hear the OGs for shit like "What Up," "Hoes," a bunch of those "First Installment" beats, the craziness on the 2002 batches (ungodly Zapp/Roger flips....obviously samples but I mean DAMN.)

Whether you want to believe it or not, Dilla had beatmakers reaching for different records after that period. Synth shit, prog, 80's rock...all that shit took on a different meaning after he got his hands on them.

It's tied with the Ummah sound as my favorite Jay Dee period. So much creativity.

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72. "THANK YOU FOR THIS POST."
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i, too, was shocked to find out a lot of that stuff was sampled.

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73. "The 48 hours beats were kinda undercooked"
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But his beat tapes were as good as anything he's ever made, really. Turn Me Up Some is the best example of a beat at that time that you would figure would have been him on a synth but instead was a weird and obscure sample.

  

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76. "flames"
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>Then you hear the OGs for shit like "What Up," "Hoes," a bunch
>of those "First Installment" beats, the craziness on the 2002
>batches (ungodly Zapp/Roger flips....obviously samples but I
>mean DAMN.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW1blQpf3lM

  

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bavid dammer
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79. "agreed. that one is outstandingly dope."
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it was on a later tape than the 2002/2003 stuff.

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81. "De La Soul "Relax" (tubeyou lank)"
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"Relax": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBhD5BsYwdI


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DolphinTeef
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82. "neither the De La or SV versions measure up"
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no offense to either attempts but the shit bang too rediculous...it'd be tough for anyone to properly rock over it IMO

plus the De la chorus is snooze inducing

  

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coin_banks
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74. "RE: jay dee's rockwilder period was so wack."
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hahaha no way.
this is ill!

  

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75. "Bammer makes this thing look amauteur..."
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http://moviemodelkits.com/images/cats_eye_troll1d.jpg

  

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77. "goodness that shit is wack. i'm mad you exposed me to it :("
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80. "I don't like the 'string hits' but the synth + modulator shit?"
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shit kinda sounds like Prince on the studio record of Controversy, I fucks with that.

"Take Dem Clothes Off" is one of those tracks I only tolerate cause it's Dilla... if it were the Neps I would have called it bullshit like I did 99.25% of their cookie cutter shit (i.e. "Superthug" et al), the stuff they did for Jay-Z, Clipse and N.E.R.D. were better to me.

  

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83. "I'll be damned if I tolerate shit becaus of who did it"
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>"Take Dem Clothes Off" is one of those tracks I only tolerate
>cause it's Dilla

say it ain't so Claw
wack shit is wack shit and Dilla's had his share just like anybody else

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97. "that's you"
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this is me. That song was lackluster but not wack...

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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102. "I never said it was wack"
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I actually like it, but it's not astronomical or anything
I'm talking about supporting something just because somebody did it
I can't do it, fam

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86. "Anyone getting the 48 Hours instrumentals?"
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Some records are steeped in mythology. Frank N Dank’s 48 Hours is just such a recording. Why so few samples from Dilla? Was that MCA’s decision as they didn’t believe they could get clearances? Why did MCA shelve the recording for so long? Where’s the “original version”? There are nearly more questions about this album than cuts on the album. But according to Frank, “contrary to popular belief there was never an ‘original version’ of 48 Hours. We started recording songs to sample driven beats of Dilla‘s and we got 80% of the album done and Dilla decided to change the beats to all the songs.” That’s right, it wasn’t MCA’s legal department, it was Dilla’s creative vision that stripped out the samples. But what about the sample laden “Take Your Clothes Off” and “Off Your Chest” you may ask? Frank interjects, “those were done after the fact.” And why did MCA shelve the project, was this a label afraid to release what the Detroit trio had concocted? Well that doesn’t appear to be the case. According to Nitt turnover in the A&R department at the time was rapid to the point that no one seemed to know who at MCA was responsible for the project. This led to a call to then MCA president Jay Boberg who agreed to release Frank N Dank from their deal.

So there you have it. As Freud once said, “sometimes a cigar is just a cigar”. In the case of 48 Hours, it’s one hell of a tasty cigar. 48 Hours is now at last ready for the respect and proper release it has deserved all along, with the complete album as well as a second disc of Dilla’s instrumentals included. As Frank reminds us, “This is the exact version of 48 Hours that we (Frank N Dank & Dilla) turned in to MCA and the way Dilla intended it to be!”

  

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90. "To be perfectly honest"
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48 Hours was among Dilla's worst work, and I think people needed some excuse as to why it was so average, so they made up some story about how poor Dilla couldn't use his amazing beats and had to replace them with average ones.

This is coming from one of his biggest fans, too, so don't hate the theory.

  

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91. "RE: To be perfectly honest"
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Sat Jan-19-13 09:51 PM by bavid dammer

  

          

>48 Hours was among Dilla's worst work, and I think people
>needed some excuse as to why it was so average, so they made
>up some story about how poor Dilla couldn't use his amazing
>beats and had to replace them with average ones.

you know an album is wack when the write-up contains bias plea coppage...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/48_Hours_%28Frank-n-Dank_album%29#Overview

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93. "sounds as good as any"
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there are people on here that actually believe Dilla never made a wack beat, much less a whole album of them, it's really sad and does nothing for his legacy
you can't get great at something, and continue to be great at it, if you don't fuck up along the way

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95. "RE: jay dee's rockwilder period was so wack."
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It's definitely lackluster, but i wouldn't put it anywhere in the same category with a 2Chainz level of wackness.

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100. "I prefer 2 Chainz to Frank & Dank"
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https://twitter.com/onnextlevel

  

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101. "LOL."
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http://i54.tinypic.com/2j51hj4.jpg

  

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