I know it's the general consensus around here that BR&L is one of tribe's weaker albums, but I'm just curious exactly which songs people aren't feeling.

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and I'll have to go through to see song titles...but it was the overall vibe.

I liked Tribe as a happy ass group with happy songs, even if the drums or samples were gritty like "Scenario." Speaking about the eras, it felt like Kid n Play trying to be more New York Undercover than House Party, if that makes sense. The content wasn't as happy, and they felt more bitter...De La felt bitter on "Stakes is high" but they were more effective.

And there weren't as many stand out songs as on the other albums...no Check the rime (shit, the difference in quality comparing Check the rime and 1nce again, which both had the "you on point, all the time" bridge/hook, is basically the same way this album just wasn't nearly as good)...no Electric relaxation, no Bonita Applebum, no Award tour, no Scenario, shit not even an "Everything is fair" upbeat Boom Bap banger.

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The point here is that the hatred for BR+L has nothing to do with the actual music on the album.

Luh' you doe, R.

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has nothing to do with the music?

Wat.

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. . ."What song did you not like?"

The reply was, "The vibe."

Very indirect.

And furthermore, I think, of all of Tribe's albums, the "vibe" on BR+L is the best of all of their albums.

Still has nothing to do with an actual song on the album.

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He did answer the question, tho he said he'd have to go back to name specific tracks.

He also said HIS problem with the album wasn't necessarily specific songs, but the overall vibe. Still explains his beef with the album, which is the overall premise of the post, even if it doesn't name specific songs as requested.

Semantics. But anyway. I was arguing the argument, not about the album. I actually love BR&L, personally, but can understand why people were put off by it.

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>Semantics.

Someone asked what song was disliked. Someone else nobly tried to respond with everything except what was asked.

Not semantics.

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A sad human being with nothing to do and nothing positive to say.

Seems that way. I almost called him on being an asshole but I held back because I've only had minimal discourse with him. But 100% of that minimal discourse has been negative so I should have just gone with my gut.

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>And furthermore, I think, of all of Tribe's albums, the "vibe"
>on BR+L is the best of all of their albums.

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Phony rappers - Pretty blah to me. Hard ass drums
Crew - Boring
The Pressure - Blah
Mind power - Blah
Baby Phife's Return - Pretty weak even though Phife was spit tin on it.
Word play - Always felt unfinished to me. Had potential but whole beat sounds like the lead up for a beat that was supposed to develop into somethin more.


Once again...nothing on here was WACK...but nothing stood out at all either, which was why I responded period. To explain that an album doesn't have to have wack songs to be a disappointment...they were following up two CLASSIC albums. You can just tell the chemistry wasn't there, and watching the documentary confirmed it. I know that this post was setup to say "you can't point out the wack songs...wait, you think ______ is wack??? But you like _____?" and I just had to say that no...it's not horrid, wack, etc but there's plenty reasons to dislike it.

Keep it moving is still bangin to me, 1nce again is cool. But even those aren't anything Top 15-20 by Tribe...so yeah.

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>Crew - Boring
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crew is one of the dopest tribe songs PERIOD.. tip spazzed on that joint! and i'm pretty sure dilla had a heavy hand in that one.

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it really foreshadowed that shit had changed, imo.

Motivators is a turd. fuck >:B

bud-wis-er. i wanted to strangle that nigga. that line is on my short list of wackest lines i've ever heard.

Stressed Out. pandering ass, punk smoove shit ass, obvious this is gonna be a wannabe radio single ass song. hatehatehate.

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>Stressed Out. pandering ass, punk smoove shit ass, obvious
>this is gonna be a wannabe radio single ass song.
>hatehatehate.

Come on, now.

This is just revising history.

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>>Stressed Out. pandering ass, punk smoove shit ass, obvious
>>this is gonna be a wannabe radio single ass song.
>>hatehatehate.
>
>Come on, now.
>
>This is just revising history.

i'm not revising MY history. i thought it was bullshit then, i think it's bullshit now. then they tried to throw Phife on that crap and managed to make me hate it even more.

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Enough I expected a 'real' name to be listed on the album credits on the hook since it seemed to be pandering so much to 'that' crowd.

>>Stressed Out. pandering ass, punk smoove shit ass, obvious
>>this is gonna be a wannabe radio single ass song.
>>hatehatehate.
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>Come on, now.
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>This is just revising history.
>
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>it really foreshadowed that shit had changed, imo.
>
>Motivators is a turd. fuck >:B
>
>bud-wis-er. i wanted to strangle that nigga. that line is on
>my short list of wackest lines i've ever heard.
>
>Stressed Out. pandering ass, punk smoove shit ass, obvious
>this is gonna be a wannabe radio single ass song.
>hatehatehate.


i'll give you motivators but i always liked stressed out. i just think the melody is so smooth and melodic.

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and cats felt that way WHEN it dropped. Some liked it tho the consensus on that album was always split.

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I can see how, at the time, that might be some mad making.

who was Tribe to not make the Greatest Hip Hop Album at that point, every time?

Fuck them.

1|Phony Rappers (feat. Consequence)|3:36 5
2|Get a Hold|3:35 4 - 4.25
3|Motivators (feat. Consequence)|3:20 4 - 4.5
4|Jam (feat. Consequence)|4:38 4.5 - 5
5|Crew|1:58 3 - 3.5
6|The Pressure|3:02 3.75 - 4
7|1nce Again (feat. Tammy Lucas)|3:49 4.25 - 5
8|Mind Power (feat. Consequence)|3:55 4
9|The Hop|3:27 (Produced by Rashad Smith) 4 - 4.5
10|Keeping It Moving|3:38 4.5 - 5
11|Baby Phife's Return|3:18 3 - 3.5
12|SeparateTogether|1:38 3 - 3.75
13|What Really Goes On|3:23 4 - 4.25
14|Word Play (feat. Consequence)|2:59 4
15|Stressed Out (feat. Faith Evans and Consequence)|4:58 5
One of my favorite beats/vibes, I just wish they could have had a slightly better vocalist. "Don't stress that 'cause it's not in your bloodstream."

Overall: 61 - 63.25 4.14/5 81 - 84%: Great; repeated listens suggested; BUY IT

In 1996, Native Tongues decided to lash out. It's awesome to listen to this alongside De la Soul's Stakes Is High, like some massive calling out of every other MC in New York. "Phony Rappers" is one of my favorite "underground vs. mainstream" arguments, as the group effortlessly floats between the senseless battle raps of the streets and the abstract, semi-conscious positive style the Tongues lobbied so hard for. Consequence features on a lot of tracks, which I was surprised to see when I first picked the album up. I would think he'd get the same boosts artists like Common and Mos Def got from the Tongues but apparently he went and did his own thing.

While not as revolutionary as their past albums, much like De la Soul's output at this period the Tribe was pretty much perfected. It's unfortunate their next album had to find them falling hard on their faces. Here they just run in motion, settling into the role of strange elder statesmen: "All we wanna do is do our thing and lay low."

The album also further evolves the Tribe's sound with help from J Dilla, whose influence on the deep, warm bass and unique touches like accordion are easily felt throughout.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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so, why do I like it at 14 and you DIDN'T like it at 14?

or, why at 14 can I like this album and you shit on me for liking it while you remember liking it at 14?

or, is the asshole swallowing itself?

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You're clearly not UNDERSTOOD.

Why not LEAVE.

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seems like a lot in life.


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Asshole.

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post or get off the pot.


I hate that my posting of my thoughts (that you may one in eight times agree with) gets you off the pot. Because I like your regular posts. You really don't have to try and Ace Combat me so often. I know why you're mad and own it; move on.


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This is a better board without you.

You have never heard this album on a cassette that was dubbed down from vinyl in your shitty Honda car stereo.

Ergo, get the fuck out of this topic.

Asshole.

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>Ergo, get the fuck out of this topic.
>
>Asshole.
>
>~Austin

Does it take all that?

I can't (and maybe wouldn't) take them back.

But yea. It does take all that. From a poster I respect otherwise.

But I can't post without him derailing things.

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>But I can't post without him derailing things.
>

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I drive a Ford now.

why should I have to dub a cassette to have an opinion on something old?

What do you know about passing Mario Tennis tapes around?

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I lived it.

Asshole.

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>Asshole.
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>15|Stressed Out (feat. Faith Evans and Consequence)|4:58 5
> One of my favorite beats/vibes, I just wish they could
>have had a slightly better vocalist. "Don't stress that
>'cause it's not in your bloodstream."

that shitball of a song couldn't be saved by one of the greatest singers of our time. can't imagine who you'd prefer.

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when "Motivators" hit, I knew trouble was ahead.

the flow is off compared to the first three.
Clunkers: "Motivators", "Mind Power", "The Jam" is kiiinda ok, but sorta sad. "1nce Again" was always good, not great.

... Charter member, but I don't post much. LAZERS.

So, fuck.

This thread is doomed.

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>So, fuck.
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>This thread is doomed.
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what does that even mean? You're thirst for OKP controversy. Where's El-P when you need him?

>
>Where's El-P when you need him?

And I had the post of the fucking year because I actually made someone important speak up and defend themselves.

What have YOU done?

Use the board to (unsuccessfully) promote yourself.

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>And I had the post of the fucking year

WORD?

All "message board-ism" aside, step back and look at what you're typing.

You're falling apart. Get some sleep, cuss your boss out, something. Chill out.

. . .musicians of the year to reply.

The only bigger name to post here was Quest, but we expect him pop in every now and again.

(and we're glad he does; just as I'm glad El-P still reads the board, much as I don't like what he has to say when he does)

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>when "Motivators" hit, I knew trouble was ahead.
>
>the flow is off compared to the first three.
>Clunkers: "Motivators", "Mind Power", "The Jam" is kiiinda ok,
>but sorta sad. "1nce Again" was always good, not great.



Mind Power is one of the best on the album.

>>when "Motivators" hit, I knew trouble was ahead.
>>
>>the flow is off compared to the first three.
>>Clunkers: "Motivators", "Mind Power", "The Jam" is kiiinda
>ok,
>>but sorta sad. "1nce Again" was always good, not great.
>
>
>
>Mind Power is one of the best on the album.

I respect your opinion and all, but isn't that the one where Tip says "instead-a-bly"? Always cringed at that lyric

the lessen, in full disaffect.

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>The Jam" is kiiinda ok,
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the jam is one of my favorite tribe songs.. you don't like that shit??

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>I meant "The Hop". "Jam" Is Amazing.



The hop is flames.

That beat is amazing.

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Stressed out. Never did.

came across it my senior year, thinking about all kinds of shit, would just press play and let it ride for 20 minutes.

Every once in a while I stumble across it, and I just feel sublime.


What's wrong with Stressed Out, really?

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because I don't mind when artists step out of their lane...BUT, it felt like them trying to be another East Coast group making a 1996 song. Of course, purists may just hate the R&B ass chorus, and some just hate the whole pseudo positive vibe to it. None of that bothered me, it was just album cut material that was a single following up 3-4 classic singles that Tribe had put out...so yeah. I get why it didn't hit.

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>Stressed out. Never did.

A Lotta ppl don't like "Stressed Out", while I always thought it was cool. It's sad as hell, but that makes it's placement at the end work. The remix w/ Raphael Saadiq is waaay better, tho

thank god they let it ride out

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Get A Hold
Word Play
1nce Again

There are so dope cuts on that album.

The only problem with it was that it wasn't LET or MM.

And the reason for that was because during Tribes first 3 albums, they were at the forefront of creativity and were helping to dictate a specific sound in Hip-Hop. By 1996, they found themselves trying to fit into where Hip-Hop had gone and to many people who grew up on Tribe, that shined through BR&L and came off as "negative".

I actually liked Stressed Out because Faith put the emotion over that beat and it had a good vibe. Others that don't like it feel as though it was simply made to emulate a commercial track of the times and that is not what they expect from Tribe.

Fact is, both of those statements are true. It's really all about how you received the album. It wasn't their best and it wasn't their worst.

It was a solid 3.75-4 mic album within their catalogue.

Problem is, when you put out a solid 3.75-4 mic album after 2-3 5 mic albums, people lose perspective and pan your shit instead of appreciating it for what it was.

Not as good as their previous but still better than a lot of releases.

Not to mention, 1996 was the best year ever in hip-hop in regards to the amount of quality albums to drop.

Good to Austin's punk ass is in here in his bitch form though.

but not one song on BR&L would make my top 15, maybe even top 20 tribe songs list. personally, i think it's a much better overall album than the love movement, but find a way and like it like that are better than any song on BR&L


random thought...thanks to my teacher, mr. barksdale for trading me this album.

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It's not any bad songs on "Beats, Rhymes, & Life" but a lot of the songs sound like album average fillers rather than their previous albums which almost every song was dope even if it wasn't a single or b-side.

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You can always pretend that "Word Play" is the last song, and cut the album off afterwards, lol.

There was a Bjork remix of "Stressed Out" ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rumQLLsMhuI ) that was pretty decent but to me it wasn't the beat so much but the lyrics of the song that really was a downer, the vibe felt sad instead of stressed out, ha ha ha ha ha.

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and I didn't see what was so great about Tip & Phife, and tossed Tribe aside for a couple years. When I heard Low End Theory, I was kicking myself.

So, with that experience in mind, I gotta say I'm a little bitter at how comparatively wack BR&L was. Love Movement doesn't really hold up either. The revisionist thinking that grants these two albums any canonical placement is kind of odd.

mine as well, although I loved BR&L and it inspired me to check their other albums.

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Perfectly good album that's just not as good as their first three.

That said, never felt "Stressed Out," "Crew," and "Separate/Together."

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because i enjoy stressed out and absolutely LOVE crew.


also, the sequencing on this album is more cohesive than their other albums. not saying its a huge variable, just always stood out to me that they put thought in blending a lot of the songs together.

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stressed out has always been great to me.

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I HATE that damn song!

Somebody said "Crew" tho?????

they buggin!

That was my favorite song on that album.

That and Seperate/Together.

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>I HATE that damn song!
>
>


Do you hate it because it was pandering or because of how it sounded?

That what I was getting a in my reply.

I think a lot of times we judge music based on our ideals of what we think it should be.

I hated the sound of the song, no question....Faith's voice, the beat, everything about it...

Also seemed like they were trying to go pop, imo.

I was never a fan of the R&B / Hip Hop merged songs to begin with, and this coming from my favorite hip hop group all time besides De La was upsetting, to put it nicely.

YUCK!

The album was cool to me though, for the most part.....just different from the previous offering.

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