"i always felt like usin' horns in production was a easy out cop out"
i dunno just somethin' about usin' horns seems mad easy to make a beat with a dope beat that is that's why i've always avoided horns in my samples lately though, i've been rethinkin' that stance i mean, it still feels easy like a cop out like just usin' a loop, even if choppin' but hey... what are some instruments you avoid usin' because it's almost no challenge at all to you to use them in a sample?
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1. "^^^^one piece of the Pete Rock hate puzzle" In response to Reply # 0
horns are actually pretty hard to manipulate without sounding cheesy, in fact if was the oft-overlooked weak point of Dilla's (he almost never used any sort of brass on his beats)
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he probably just wasn't good at it, no shame in it besides Tip did more for Rhodes than Dilla did
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9. "I dunno it was kinda hard to use horns and NOT sound like Pete" In response to Reply # 5
And you're probably right about the Rhodes, but you get where I'm going. I'll change Rhodes to Joe Pass solo guitar samples and then you're probably gonna sound like Jay Dee.
Anyway, I still don't know if I buy the notion that he wasn't good at using horns. But maybe you're right, never really thought of it that way before, to be honest.
10. "it's not a knock, you have to have the mind for it" In response to Reply # 9
nobody's saying you have to have Pete's mastery of it, that's a tall order for anyone regardless of skill level
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7. "Depends on what type of horns..." In response to Reply # 0
If you are talking about riffs and stuff-hell no! As garhart correctly pointed out, it often sounds a bit corny and I think few managed to do it really well.
However, if you are talking about some brief DITC-style lick or saxophone-stab taken from *that* Jack Bruce album or whatever, I agree that wasn't exactly rocket-science.
However, I always viewed horns used that way more as a complimentary "ambience-tooL" sort of like sampling the "Louder!" from "Long Red" or ESG's "UFO" rather than the "meat" of the beat. And it sounds dope to me, I miss it...
how could an entire instrument category be considered a "crutch"? I guess elton john/billy joel use piano as a crutch? hendrix totally leaned on the guitar as a crutch right? maybe it works better than other instruments over hip hop tracks, but if it works, it works.
if im listenin to music i dont give a shit about whether someone used easy techniques, or how hard the person worked to make the track, i just care about whether or not the shit sounds good.
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22. "There Is No Sound That's Off Limits To Me" In response to Reply # 0
To me it's not about what you use but how you use them and if you plan on ever changing your signature sounds up.
Talking about a producer/beat-maker that they use/sample a certain instrument as a cop-out is just lame cause how you don't know the reason why they always have that sound in their music is cause they like the sound of that instrument a lot.
Some producers like to use organ or strings, then you got those who love to always have vocals in their beats (yes even vocals are considered an instrument) such as RZA & Kanye; I could tell that Havoc likes to sample piano/keys and slow 'em down to get that sinister sound; Swizz Beatz uses the Trinity keyboard to make beats and use to use the stock horns & became famous for it.
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