"Who is the biggest FLOP from 2000-2012 in Hip Hop???"
Who is the biggest FLOP from 2000-2012 in Hip Hop??? I mean, you expected them to blow, have good LP, have following etc.. etc....and it just didn't happen***
"Highly developed spirits often encounter resistance from mediocre minds."-Albert Einstein
2. "RE: Who is the biggest FLOP from 2000-2012 in Hip Hop???" In response to Reply # 1
I think Return of the Mac was like 2004 & that was a great LP to me and HNIC might have been 2000. Not sure I would pick Prodigy. Currently though, he is a huge let down. Mobb Deep ...period
"Highly developed spirits often encounter resistance from mediocre minds."-Albert Einstein
YEP! To me Joe Budden has the total package and never reached his potential. He should at least have 1-2 GREAT LP's in the last 12 years. He has super talent and the right emotions on the mic.
"Highly developed spirits often encounter resistance from mediocre minds."-Albert Einstein
22. "came in here to say this but he sorta did it" In response to Reply # 4
I mean he has drop great product and maintain an loyal following and able to do what he wants to do...I dont know if we would have got as much good music from him if he blew lol he better sad.
65. "yeah he only had a couple of hot songs." In response to Reply # 46
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9. "Cannibal Ox as a group and Vast Aire as a soloist" In response to Reply # 0
"The Cold Vein" didn't seem like lightning in the bottle at the time. At the time it seemed like Vast was going to be a next level lyrical cat, so I expected him to drop a strong solo then eventually work with Vordul & El-P on a Cannibal Ox follow-up. Neither the strong solo or the Cannibal Ox follow-up materialized. _________________________________________ The Combat Jack Show is the best hip-hop related internet radio show http://thecombatjackshow.com/
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15. ""Ambition" is supposed to be really good. He changed his sound " In response to Reply # 12
>i was expecting dude to change my life when 100MAR and TMAN >came out. > >then "attention deficit" didn't hold my interest. and i >totally forgot about him. > >yeah that whole "flop" and "change my life" things are >exaggerations, but still. > >should i take my head out the sand and check out his newer >stuff?
a little bit though, so if you were all over his initial mixtape run the new stuff might not be for you. In any case the "Ambition" album sold close to gold and he apparently just missed the Forbes hip-hop list with 2011 earnings of close to 5 million.
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31. "He probably did over 100 shows during that time span" In response to Reply # 23
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21. "saigon, bump j, rhymefest, bishop lamont, juelz santanta" In response to Reply # 0 Mon Sep-24-12 07:34 PM by bucknchange
these guys come to mind instantly. saigon was on fucking entourage and had a just blaze produced album, i don't think either one of them(just&sai) recovered from it
(edit) also the entire swishahouse(paul wall, slim thugg, chamillionaire, etc.) movement
38. "RE: saigon, bump j, rhymefest, bishop lamont, juelz santanta" In response to Reply # 21
>these guys come to mind instantly. >saigon was on fucking entourage and had a just blaze produced >album, i don't think either one of them(just&sai) recovered >from it
Yeah. Sai became a parody of himself and Just's output dipped in quality/quantity.
>also the entire swishahouse(paul wall, slim thugg, >chamillionaire, etc.) movement
Thugg and Paul Wall have remained relatively big regional acts at least.
45. "Juelz just fell off... can't really say he actually 'flopped'" In response to Reply # 21
but that dude should have had a better run than he did. after his second album (which had a very popular hit) he seemed poised to take the Lil Wayne leap into stardom, then *BRAKE SCREECH*
they could have continued to dominate hip hop post speakerboxxx/love below, but they just decided not to. that would have made their reign like 20 years, which would really put them in the pantheon of greatest musicians ever
Umm, they were pretty successful. Their so-so movie and accompanying soundtrack even did alright. I wouldn't say they flopped. We just had expectations that they clearly didn't give a fuck about.
If not, then what the fuck do you call Stankonia and Speakerbox/The Love Below? 'Cause both of those were 2000+ and neither of them flopped.
41. "they dont have 4 classics but that's a good point" In response to Reply # 28
of course we want these people to keep making shit we like, but you can't be surprised when everything doesn't hit they way you want it to
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53. "Idlewild was a flop though" In response to Reply # 25 Tue Sep-25-12 01:09 PM by Selah
*yes, i know it went platinum and got decent reviews. i'm speaking of the gap in quality. you could tell by that point they needed to put it on pause it not break it up altogether)
took too long to get it out/done and when it did all momentum was gone
plus it very much seemed like an album of c-sides (the b-sides were the "they could have cut this down and had another perfect album cuts from sb/lb")
folks wanna act like it never happened (hence the "oh yeah I forgot about that" reactions you often hear when mentioning it)
40. "RE: Who is the biggest FLOP from 2000-2012 in Hip Hop???" In response to Reply # 0
ali vegas? dude went from being heralded as the next nas to straight up milk carton status. does he have any new shit? anybody got some recommendations?
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44. "Oh yeah, that dude was definitely a flop" In response to Reply # 40
Not on the scale of some of those mentioned in here but he was being supersiced at the tail end of the '90s/early '00s for, as you (and he often) mentioned, being a dude that sounds like Nas that rhymes like Jay-Z
I just remember the 12"s, can't remember if he had a LP
56. "Did anyone REALLY believe he was going to blow up?" In response to Reply # 40
>ali vegas? dude went from being heralded as the next nas to >straight up milk carton status. does he have any new shit? >anybody got some recommendations?
I'd argue he didn't have a real buzz on the streets, he just had a decent amount of press and a solid promo team. There was no storyline, no real street cred. Just a kid with a nice flow who patterned himself after his favorite mcees. _________________________________________ The Combat Jack Show is the best hip-hop related internet radio show http://thecombatjackshow.com/
85. "I'm almost relieved to find out they are play cousins and not actual" In response to Reply # 59
>RE: Did anyone REALLY believe he was going to blow up?
blood. At one point they were saying that they were related, which used to bug me out because they look nothing alike. They do dress alike though lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1h_p8oFQ75M
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55. "RE: what the fuck made you think that" In response to Reply # 51
Tony Yayo is a 'hidden talent' and that he'd change anything? nigga BEEN a blunt carrier from day one, nothing more
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58. "Fat Joe had a platinum album around 2000..." In response to Reply # 57
...and has done nothing but defy expectations and sustained his career. Yeah, that Terror Squad album was a flop, but it had a massive hit, and he's had some since.
61. "RE: Fat Joe had a platinum album around 2000..." In response to Reply # 58
Fat Joe been in the rap game since the early 90's and have 2-3 Great LP's (Jealous Ones Envy, Don Cartagena) and at least 5-6 big singles in his career with respect from greats like KRS and NAS. Fat Joe in Hip Hop is far from a Flop.
"Highly developed spirits often encounter resistance from mediocre minds."-Albert Einstein
he pretty much was the catalyst in Pun becoming a star. while we may not enjoy Joe's music anymore, he's staying power has been a huge surprise. he's far from a flop
Fat Joe isn't P Diddy. Fat Joe is a rapper with a big voice who came up with some of the best rap talent of the golden era. He transformed himself from a wack rapper down with the greats into one of the leaders of NY hip hop.
Yeah, he wouldn't have gotten his platinum plaque without Pun, but he was a smarter entrepreneur than almost all of the people from that 'era' (except Jay-Z? Any others come to mind?) and was always savvy about making it big. (No pun intended)
Fat Joe is one of those rap dudes who can use ghostwriters and it works really well, because he's got a big voice and he knows how to deliver a rap. For example, Fat Joe rapped after Big L on "The Enemy" by DITC, and it's not like Joe's verse wasn't worth listening to. He killed that shit. He waskilling those raps that Pun wrote for him, and he's killed a ton of them since Pun passed away.
69. "Anybody remember that cat Smitty?" In response to Reply # 0
He had that Diamonds on my Neck song that was a little bit of a hit. BUt dude was actually a good artist. did alot of behind the scenes ghostwrighting for Puff and Dr. Dre.
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78. "I don't know if it's a flop, but the 50 Cent fall off is still remarkabl..." In response to Reply # 0
"BUT HE'S STILL PAID!"
yea obviously, that's not the point. The point is that after just two albums he was an equal to Jay-Z, Eminem, and Outkast. And because he couldn't grow his sound and was an outspoken asshole, the public dropped him SO fast and he never recovered in any way remotely close to what he was. I still can't really understand it.
82. "Yeah, it's pretty amazing." In response to Reply # 78
As far as understanding it, I think it's this simple: too much of his persona was based on comparing himself to other people. When the people you're comparing yourself to end up selling more records and being more prominent than you, then that supervillian aura is gone.
What you said about his sound was spot on too. I think also worth noting is that I'm pretty sure Dr. Dre didn't executive produce any of his albums after The Massacre, so he lost that mixture of grit and polish that made albums like GRODT so successful.
83. "He's probably one of the biggest 'I Told You So' artists in my lifetime" In response to Reply # 82
when GRODT and the Massacre hit, I was pretty much sure he was going to have an MC Hammer type flame-out at some point...when you sell that much, but don't have too much that makes you stand out from the crowd... he became a CB4 rapper the minute his exposure increased.
Eventually all that posturing needs to be matched with product -- that was the reason why Kanye and Rick Ro$$ (and even Wayne, whose rapping has taken a nosedive, but at least knows what works) stuck around. There was just no depth... as soon as Dre fell out of mainstream favor, 50 was going to have to do something to keep that musical brand of his up. Dissing other rappers to gain a buzz wasn't going to happen. Cats weren't trying to hear that after the Em/Benzino affair.
The last good single he had was "I Get Money", but by then it was too late.
84. "He's not THAT talented. He had great formulas and a great backstory" In response to Reply # 78
>"BUT HE'S STILL PAID!" > >yea obviously, that's not the point. The point is that after >just two albums he was an equal to Jay-Z, Eminem, and Outkast. >And because he couldn't grow his sound and was an outspoken >asshole, the public dropped him SO fast and he never recovered >in any way remotely close to what he was. I still can't really >understand it.
The formulas became stale, and the backstory became somewhat irrelevant as he's been legitimately wealthy for several years now. Also keep in mind he's been copied more than Das Efx. He doesn't have the talent to re-invent himself, as an artist he's not in the same weight class as the other guys you listed. This became evident to me the 1st time I heard "Patiently Waiting". I wasn't listening to 50's verses to see if he could hang with Em, I listened because he was the hottest thing out at the time so everything he had to say was important.
I just can't help but laugh at how a dude who talked so much gangsta shit in interviews went on to make the softest music to arguably ever exist. It figures why no one took him seriously and his album tanked. Plus, Plies 4 years later beat him at his own game, because at least Plies's music actually had some grit.
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