IceburgSmurf Member since May 17th 2008 4724 posts
Sat Sep-01-12 05:25 PM
"What's the best produced hiphop albums of all times?"
Im refering to production in the hiphop sense (non vocal elements of a song). The easy choice for me was illmatic but im not that big a fan of reprasent so im going with Mecca and the soul brother cos i have a sweet tooth for jazzy hiphop. Add on....
14. "no." In response to Reply # 6 Sat Sep-01-12 10:07 PM by Guinness
MOT's production was good quality but unexciting, a calcification of the sound that primo would basically take to his grave: fourth-bar breakdowns, 95 bpms and spliced-together hooks that lacked the catchiness of his earlier scratched hooks.
primo's work on hard 2 earn, daily operation, sun rises in the east and livin' proof is more exciting and better overall. i'd venture to say that most people who say otherwise probably loved MOT for what it represented as an alternative to the diddy era -- or weren't listening to primo in the early 90s.
16. "Your analysis is 100% on point here." In response to Reply # 14
But MOT's production was truly outstanding.
>MOT's production was good quality but unexciting, a >calcification of the sound that primo would basically take to >his grave: fourth-bar breakdowns, 95 bpms and spliced-together >hooks that lacked the catchiness of his earlier scratched >hooks. > >primo's work on hard 2 earn, daily operation, sun rises in the >east and livin' proof is more exciting and better overall. i'd >venture to say that most people who say otherwise probably >loved MOT for what it represented as an alternative to the >diddy era -- or weren't listening to primo in the early 90s.
18. "i think the first half is outstanding." In response to Reply # 16 Sun Sep-02-12 12:03 AM by Guinness
but out of the last nine tracks (there are frigging 20 songs), only "make 'em pay" and maybe "betrayal" are memorable to me. and the hooks aren't overly strong anywhere, which was one of primo's strongest contributions to his earlier work.
19. "I actually deleted..." In response to Reply # 18
...from my last post where I said that the album was clearly too long. I can't argue with anything you're saying, I only think you might be understating a little bit just how great the great production on that album is.
17. "I was on Gamg Starr and Primo since" In response to Reply # 14
94. I had all of those albums (except Daily Operation) before Moment of Truth.
And no, I didn't like MOT because it was an answer to the Diddy era. I was actually rocking LAD and NWO then as well.
MOT is better to me in terms of quality. You can tell Primo put his ass in that record.
All this 'it's not new and exciting" bullshit doesn't mean anything to me because I don't listen to music for whatever is new and exciting. I rock with what I think is dope.
The sequencing, the beats, the scratches, the features...everything worked perfectly on MOT.
All of Primo's work in the mid 90s lead up to that album and then he just perfected it.
proving my point yet again, you consider anything outside of a narrow little aesthetic box to be a "fad." despite the fact that the south has dominated rap for the last decade, the idea that "flockaveli" and "TM101" are masterfully produced albums is beyond comprehension. your taste is so skewed towards one specific time/location/orthodoxy that it's totally worthless when applied to anything else. it sucks to be you.
22. "MOT is a top 5 production effort" In response to Reply # 6
and has both Primo's and Guru's best work over the course of an album straight up and down, it's a masterpiece and when you consider what sort of run GangStarr was on before it dropped, you can see how that album did what most thought was impossible
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7. "niggaz4life" In response to Reply # 0 Sat Sep-01-12 09:25 PM by Guinness
some other standouts:
nation of millions amerikkka's most wanted midnight marauders cuban linx hard 2 earn thug motivation 101 the documentary graduation flockaveli blueprint
10. "If you feel there's a need to name more recent albums" In response to Reply # 9
The Fix Below The Heavens I'll Sleep When You're Dead, Cure 4 Cancer, and RAP Music Never Better Madvillainy Fantastic vol 2 Game Theory In The Ruff & People Hear What They See Supreme Clientele
"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African" Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!
21. "Stunts, blunts & Hip Hop" In response to Reply # 0
Train Of Thought Like Water For Chocolate Things Fall Apart black on both sides Do You Want More???! Illadelph Halflife Game Theory Ready To Die Enter The Wu-Tang: 36 Chambers Only built for cuban linx Low End Theory Midnight Marauders Liquid Swords Mecca & the Soul brother R.A.P. Music Cancer 4 Cure Fantastic Damage The Cold Vein Labor Days De La Soul Is Dead Stakes is High The Renaissance The Chronic 2001 Late Registration My beautiful dark twisted fantasy The Ecstatic ...
25. "you niggers better show Diamond some love" In response to Reply # 0
Stunts Blunts and Hip Hop is a fucking production showcase to the nth degree
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39. "you could do it, just don't plan on releasing it for a major label" In response to Reply # 38
or making any sort of income off it
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51. "RE: or having the studio time paid for to do it" In response to Reply # 46
you don't think it could be made bedroom producer style today with all the software and technology available? i feel like you're overstating the importance of studio time. i think time in general might be the bigger factor. people don't have the attention span and dedication to make something like that, and listeners don't expect better than what they're given on a regular basis.
52. "No, I don't. The Bomb Squad was 7 or 8 deep at points with dudes" In response to Reply # 51
>you don't think it could be made bedroom producer style today >with all the software and technology available?
that were trained at some level of engineering/production/instrumentation, you're not gonna get that kind of depth from a bedroom producer even with the technological improvements.
For a myriad of reasons, rap music will never sound like that album again.
BS were bedroom niggas too at one time and if they had that kind of advice to listen to then, we wouldn't have this sort of conversation now
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54. "RE: What's the best produced hiphop albums of all times?" In response to Reply # 0
Moment of Truth- Simply put, a 20 track album with not a single less than great beat. Has some of my favourite beats ever: Next Time, Above the clouds, JFK to LAX, moment of truth
Cold Vein- El-p's beats were so incredibly layered and apocalyptic and fitted the tone of the album perfectly.
2001- Every song sounds like it would be a single on anyone else's album.
Honourable mentions: Hell Hath no Fury- The Clipse College Dropout- Kanye- this is a personal classic for me, love every beat on this album Only Built for Cuban linx- Raekwon
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