I think one could make such an argument. They don't really have any bad albums. The first three albums were very out of the box and pushed the boundaries of the genre. I think with Prince Paul in the mix you could definitely make such a case. They might not be as revered in hip hop as The Beatles are but they made great music on their own terms that stands the test of time.

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Seeing how they broke up and all went solo.

I think De La would be more of the Rolling stones..Still together after all these years...Even after having the "Brain" of the group leaving i.e. Brian Jones/Prince Paul

Now I think of it Tribe might be more Pink Floyd cause the "spirit" (that' wat tip called jarobi in that doc) of the group (Jarobi/Syd) was only around for the debut and they got bigger after he left.

I'm thinking to hard I"mma stop lol.

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and i don't think there is one nor does there need to be one.

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of someone starting off as pop as hell and see as just fun music to going to someone who is adored by critcs and making "serious" music latter.

They sorta do fit the mold in hip-hop better than anyone else.

Usually in rap we don't let anyone change after they introduction..if you come in as one way you usually stay that way most of your carrer.

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fuck you.

Southernplayastic was hailed as a classic...maybe cause I"m southern tho. Yea I guess you can say they was catering to the "pop" side more being more gangsta and hood than they was after.

You can say with the changing it up every album and still getting acclaim too I see the comparison

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Like, yeah... everybody loved "Hey Ya" but other than that, by and large, most fans of OutKast are fans of hip-hop music to some degree,

The Beasties are loved by EVERYONE (white). People who hate hip-hop think the Beasties are great. Shit, they spent most of the 90s being filed in the Alternative Rock section.

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in that Spin list.

I think Outkast had like 3 albums in Rolling stones top 500 albums too.

I think Rock critics sorta jerk Outkast as one of the few "artsy" rap goups...Seem like Kanye WEst has picken up that mantle now.

White folks still love Outkast (dre espicallly) its just they stop coming out with stuff and doing shit.

Yea they not reaching the beastie boy loves.

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Kast has sold about 21 million albums in the USA.

Beasties have sold about 22 million records in the USA.

Kast has sold more singles than the Beasties (they have 2 plat or multi-plat singles, the Beasties have 0).

crossover appeal? i dunno. i'm not sure either group really crossed over. the Beasties got over on that 1st album a bit, but after that?

i'd say Kast crossed over more than the Beasties.

and between them, Kast won the big time Grammy. Beasties never did. though they are in the RRHOF. Kast will be too, no doubt.

Kast.

fuck you.

I get that you LIKE Outkast - but how do they even remotely compare to the body of work that the Beastie Boys have made?

And the Beasties are about 40% of The Beatles in terms of body of work.

Kast >> Beasties.

Kast has plenty records that'll stand up next to anything the Beasties have done. no problem.

but no, that's not why i say they fit this ridiculous, unnecessary, sad Beatles comparison more than the Beasties.

keep reading, player. you'll get it.

fuck you.

>Kast >> Beasties.


j/k


(you still wrong though, especially saying above that Kast crossed over more than the Beasties)

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than i can rock a black party w/Beasties tracks, player.

hell yeah Kast crossed over more.

fuck you.

When we talking about "crossover," we're mainly talking about one particular direction

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but the Beatles had a few tracks that got pub in the hood, according to Chicago's Herb Kent. he's played some Beatles tracks on his Sunday old school radio show. like 'Come Together'.

but really, i dunno why this is being discussed except maybe b/c this comparison is ridiculous and unwieldly and unnecessary and wrong-headed from the start.

fuck you.

Outkast didn't make party music. Don't teLL me fuckn rosa parks either (that's the onLy 'party rockin record' they ever made). Outkast is my favorite rap group aLL time. They made riding /smoking / thinking / Listening music. He ya or I Like the way u move were soLo trax & don't count..... ALL beasties ever did was make party rockin music... & if a certain demographic can't fuck with a dope mix when u drop in a dope oLd schooL or new schooL beastie party jam then fuck them mfkrs anyway. U can't rock a party pLaying outkast, or witchdoc, or the 1st 2 goodie mob joints (they don't dance no mo incLuded). That was a whoLe different era and a whoLe different bpm vibe.

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fuck you.

Even years after it came out, they were playing it next to MIA and grime and other dancey stuff that at least here crossed over to the proto-hipsters (I say "proto" because I'm not sure it was an established scene then)...

and i know i could rock a party of 30+ blacks w/'Elevators'. and 'Player's Ball'. and, yes, 'Rosa Parks'. plus maybe 'Skew It on the Bar-B' & 'Storytelling Pt. 3' if they're Hip-Hop heads.

but 'BOB', 'Hey Ya', & 'The Way You Move' will turn it out. 'So Fresh So Clean' can work w/the right ppl. 'She Lives In My Lap' can too, but it's limited. i've also seen 'Rooster' get it done.

and then there are features like 'Intl Player's Anthem'.

fuck you.

GTFOHWTBS.

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If we ignore the Beasties punk-stuff, then both bands started out as white guys appropriating contemporary black music but eventually became something else in relation to the scene that spawned them.

Of course, beasties music generally still had very strong connections to funk and stuff like that but at the same time, they clearly didn't sound like a typical Hip-Hop act in the context of the time later on and Beatles were obviously not making rock'n'roll as they evolved either...

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fuck you.

Yeah I agree.

Also to add, like the beatles, the beasties evolved as a group to the extent where you could fool somebody into believing that they were two different groups performing something from Licensed to Ill compared to, say, one of the jazzy/funk songs off of CYH or Ill communication.

Beastie Boys switched styles *a lot*, just like The Beatles.

You have to start with a string of albums (2 would suffice) which are completely in a pop mold. COMPLETELY. Then shift into something more experimental with it and garner the same quality of output.

Mentions of the Beasties do well for the shift, but they weren't really in the pop mold out the gate.
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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

In the 60's, you were forced to knock out like two albums a year (why do you think almost half of the songs on three of Beatles first four british albums-the exception is "A hard days night"-are covers?). Beasties could experiment for three years after their debut was out which was a luxury not afforded to bands in the early-mid 60's.

1st period (Pop):

Beatles - Please Please Me through Help!

Kast - Southernplayalistic

Beasties - License to Ill

2nd period (experimenting):

Rubber Soul through White Album

ATLiens through SB/TLB

Paul's Boutique through (i dunno b/c i don't fuck w/the Beasties like that)

3rd period (the end/soundtrack):

Let It Be

Idlewild

Hot Sauce Cmte (?)

...it fits better w/Kast than w/the Beasties.

fuck you.

From the debut until they release the "experimental" one:About 2.5 years
(Beasties debut was late 86, "Paul's..." was mid-89).

Hamburg days:
Pollywog Stew, Cookie Puss

Pre-invasion
She's On It
Rock Hard

Commercial:
Licensed to Ill

Experimental:
Paul's Boutique
Check Your Head
Ill Communication

Apple records days:
Grand Royal Magazine

Grand Royal artists (and about 40 more):
Atari Teenage Riot
Lucious Jackson
SEAN LENON <-Six degrees right there

Spiritual:
Tibetan Freedom Concerts

The Beastie Boys have had an arc - just like The Beatles. Young idiots experiment with music , grow spiritually and artistically, and change a genre of music.

Add in the law suits, the videos, and the movies and The Beasties fit The Beatles mold more. IMHO. Player.

Kast also had an arc.

2 youngbloods from the hood in ATL who started out rapping about bitches and switches and weed over boom-bap beats inspired by their heroes from a distant land who then flipped it up and got more deep lyrically and more experimental musically (including playing w/the knobs in the studio) and whose critical and commercial acclaim grew as they became more experimental.

Kast fits better.

IMHO.

player.

fuck you.

Guess I missed it.

*shrugs*

fuck you.

I see yall stretching the rest of their careers to fit, but IMO the jump off point is the most important.
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fuck you.

I think it does. Of course, Beasties had records out years before that but that was DIY stuff done by teenagers; it would be the equivalent of Beatles-demos done in the Berlin-days. And "Southern..." sounded quite west-coast funk which was vERY popular then, at least to me who admittedly is EXTREMELY badly versed in Southern Hip-Hop...

I can see why someone might say so but I'd argue against it hard.

Hip-hop wasn't pop at the time. The only reason to say the Beasties were would be because they are white. Which makes the conclusion that the white factor makes it pop, which once accepted has to bring into question was it hip-hop.... and that of course gets ugly.

But even more it wasn't mom and pop friendly. That alone is problematic if you ask me.
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Their style was not what was popular at the time which is precisely why they had such impact; you could even argue that they "invented" the modern rock-band concept (actually, Beach Boys had preceded them in the mainstream but they were primarily thought of as a harmony-group I think and that was not too modern). Actually, contrary to popular opinion, Beatles earliest stuff was the most *revolutionary*; their later experimental stuff had roots in other bands-Beatles strength was that they took those ideas mainstream.

Anyway, "License..." was preceded by "Raising Hell" and I would argue that album made Hip-Hop pop, at least in the context of 86 and how the music sounded then...

so for them to come out like that was not really pop.

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I feel like two releases in the pop vein are important because they established their household name mom and pop friendly.
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then i'd say Kast's 1st album was 'Pop' (ala the 1st few Beatles albums) and after that 1 the group got experimental (ala Rubber Soul) - moreso w/each album (ala Revolver through the White Album). until the final album, a soundtrack (ala Let It Be). which has sharply divided the fanbase.

fuck you.

>then i'd say Kast's 1st album was 'Pop' (ala the 1st few
>Beatles albums) and after that 1 the group got experimental
>(ala Rubber Soul) - moreso w/each album (ala Revolver through
>the White Album). until the final album, a soundtrack (ala
>Let It Be). which has sharply divided the fanbase.

you can even say they White album was SB/TLB well as outkast really made solo albums...The beatles basically say the white albums was them making solo songs with the others basically just playin session musicians..you can sorta say its 3 solo Eps put into 2 albums.

Outkast really didn't make they Abbey Road tho where they came back again to send it off..everyone still waiting on that lol.

you even go with the breaking up at they highest level and Big boi being the Paul stayin the Pop route..while Andre being the JOhn becoming the recluse and stayin away from music lol.

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fuck you.

I thought it might make for good Lesson discussion and here we are. I think De La stand on their own for sure and don't need to be compared but it's not a bad exercise.

I wonder if bands get compared to Wu Tang?

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Their artistic trajectory doesn't match up, but their importance to the genre is probably the closest.

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everybody knows that Run DMC are the Beatles of Hip Hop and stop fronting. turkeys must be 25 and back to not be up on there history to be saying this.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

...De La Soul has stayed strong their ENTIRE career ..and lets not even talk about the quality of their albums VS RunDMC

de lay soul is like a beta tape to quite a few hip hop heads.

you on that double crack if you think de lay soul made better music that Run Dmc

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Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

They're not a great group for longevity and artististic experimentation (unless you consider Ragtime http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzb45zE2iLs .)

Pioneers. Icons. Legends. YES.

the lesson has changed lol

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nobody in there right mind would even think Da Lay Soul is seeing no Run DMC

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