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NaS's untitled album

fiction: Jay Electronica and Stic-man wrote NaS's Nigger album

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RT @dreamhampton: I think Jay writes what he believes. Nas'
"Nigger" album was largely written by Stic of dead
prez and Jay Electronica 

Wait, is this Dream's alias?

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>RT @dreamhampton: I think Jay writes what he believes.
Nas'
>"Nigger" album was largely written by Stic of
dead prez and
>Jay Electronica 

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She meant that Jay writes from his own voice while Nas writes from the perspective of who he is influenced by.

At the time Nas was hanging out with stic.man and Jay Elecmyalbumsnevercomingoutakah and the album reflected those influences.

She's kinda wrong tho because although content wise Jay more or less stays the same he is influenced flow wise. Young Chris wrote The Blueprint 2 the same way stic and Jay wrote Untitled.

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good snark, but not entirely accurate.

and i'm no jay stan.
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"I do believe ppl taking the true thing I said abt the Nigger album & mkg it the point, is part of the problem. Worried abt the wrong things."

"Jay Elecmyalbumsnevercomingoutakah"... lmao!!!

i would never want to take credit for the project roach and fried chicken, though. ha.
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>i would never want to take credit for the project roach and
>fried chicken, though. ha.

And those are two of the best songs on the album.

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I just was wondering.

To possibly spark a discussion.

On, you know, a message board, shockingly.

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@JusAire
@dreamhampton Is Jay really that concerned with losing $ that he cant just say "Fuck my image" and make an Untitled (Nigger album) like Nas?

@dreamphampton
I think Jay writes what he believes. Nas' "Nigger" album was largely written by Stic of dead prez and Jay Electronica @JusAire

and why are niggas willing to attack dream's character before considering that nas may have used writers?

>and why are niggas willing to attack dream's character before
>considering that nas may have used writers?

Those that are familiar with the album know that Jay Elec and Stic Man worked on songs on the album, and have credits on those songs. I think there is an interview where Nas gave credit to Stic for helping him write some of the songs that Stic produced. A producer helping structure the verses of a song or even helping with lines isn't what we call "using writers". Stic & Jay Elec together have credits on a total of 4 out of 15 songs. So claiming that they wrote the album is a huge stretch. With that in mind you should question the source of the allegations. And it just so turns out the accuser is one of Jay's best buds. She was asked a question that downplayed her buddy's artistry in favor of one of his former rivals, so in response she tried to validate her buddy's creative process and downplay his former rival.

.

I swear. People wonder why I have an elitist asshole stance towards most posts on here. It's because I've never been too chicken shit to speak my mind. And I also realize that probably 35% (conservative estimate) of the lessen's daily posts are from someone's cowardly sock puppet alias.

Pretty fucking pathetic.

And what's more, you schizos are so "good" at what you do, I probably "like" at least one of your other logins.

I pride myself on being bad at internet swashbuckling.

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*commits phrase to memory*

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The day Jay called me at work to tell me he was ghostwriting for Nas was a hard day for me. On one hand, I was happy that a friend of mine that seemingly no one cared an iota for a year or two prior was quickly ascending through the ranks of hip hop as a voice to pay attention to and a career in the making to watch. Earlier that summer we�d posted and artworked Act I and word was quickly spreading that he was a one to watch. Not too long after began that yearly teasing at Christmastime that Act II: The Pledge would be dropping for free as a download that would surely overload my server and shut down my site from traffic. It�s 2013 and we�re still waiting.


jay as in jay electronica

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The Lesson LOVES Jay Elec.

So much to the point they bust nuts on an intro loop he gave to Nas like it was the best thing since Illmatic.

Then the N album drops and Nas gets shitted on heavy as if the album was the worst thing ever recorded.

Next, rumors come out about Jay Elec ghostwriting the album they hated so much.

and INSTEAD of shitting on Jay Elec for ghostwriting the very album they shitted on, they shit on Nas for using ghostwriters while the ghostwriter is still the best MC to ever enter the game even though he has never dropped an album.

that's how this is going down right?

www.newzbomb.com

...so the only alternative is to criticize him through past albums and with "ghost writing" accusations.

I'm sure it's a coincidence, tho.
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

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It really is some republic shit with these cats.

They know they are supposed to hate Nas so they spend their existence looking for reasons and 95% of the time, they're making shit up.

along with Wu tang and Ice Cube and AZ
Cause they were treated very poorly by said artist when they were
coming up as inerns. Esp that lame Elliot Wilson.

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Hewrote an album for somebody in their persona
At least he tried
Whether or not he was successful isn't on him
It's on nas and his crappy decision making process
So if it sucked hehad the final say to put it out
Or not.

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>Hewrote an album for somebody in their persona
>At least he tried
>Whether or not he was successful isn't on him

Nas shouldnt haveusedaaghostwriter at all
If he didn't we wouldn't be having this convo
So that's a fail right there on his part
The onus was on him, not jay
*shrugs*

you must love me � jigga

And I don't believe this is true other than people assisting, but to use ghostwriters is an automatic L.

Still doesnt void Jay of writing an album you hate.

I'm just sayin
If its a fail
It's on nas more than jay
I don't even remember untitled really
Was thatthelpwith where are they now?

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as soon as this clown said Biggie was more a product of great marketing than skill.

Biggie still the only MC who never spit a cringe worthy bar. Obviously his sample set is much smaller. But to have two albums (one a double disc) and a bunch of guest appearances without spitting a weak rhyme is still pretty impressive.

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I doubt Stic.man would co-sign Eminem saying the N word, going after PETA and I don't think "Sly Fox" would be as cringe-worthy if he wrote it (Even if he did the beat).

And Jay would definitely put more references to black icons and nation of 5%.

Not denying that they didn't influence or help with the writing but doubt that Nas straight paid them to write all or most of the rhymes.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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Jay Electronica produced "Queens Get The Money"
Stickman produced the song Untitled ( and did some vocals) and We're Not Alone.

Keep this up and you'll have these fools saying that Illmatic was written by Q-Tip,

You draw this conclusion because DreamHampton says so? Really?

Nas is a writer. That is is best trait. He's not as charismatic as some others nor the best live performer, but nobody paints a picture or tells a story like Nas. Definitely not no Stickman or Jay Electronica.

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lol

Could be the whole album, could be one song, could be eight bars.

dream hampton says most of the album was written by Jay Electronica and stic.man, but I'm guessing that's an exaggeration.

stic.man received co-writing credits on the three songs he produced, so that's technically not ghostwriting.


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ghostwritng? that's why it's called ghostwritng. why is everybody acting like this is the end of life as we know it?

Try again, coward.

I swear. These fucking aliases need to die man.

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that's constantly been in place since December 4, 2001

Boom^^^^^^^^

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

...a coping mechanism.

he's released quality material since, but he (maybe until now) has never been able to get that off his back

few records have cast a shadow as that one has on someone's career

>he's released quality material since, but he (maybe until
>now) has never been able to get that off his back
>
>few records have cast a shadow as that one has on someone's
>career

Most rap artists who emerged in that era were judged on the superiority of their debut effort, and most rap artists who emerged in that era were not able to follow up the artistic and/or commercial success of their debut.

That's why rappers had very short careers throughout the golden age.

Of course few albums cast the shadow that Illmatic did. Not only was it a great album, but its timing that saw a sales explosion in pandering commercial rap.

You say he's released quality material since. I say he's released *some* quality material since. If you compare the amount of quality material he's released over the years to the amount of some of his peers that emerged from the same era, it's pretty impressive. As a ratio of his total output, I'd argue that he has a terrible rate of quality music released--which is why I jumped ship as a fan.

I don't use "Illmatic" as a reason that I don't like his music anymore. I use every single release since. They're just not that good. Ever. Of course there are some good moments, but it's not that hard to find other prolific hall-of-fame artists of his era--e.g. Snoop Dogg, Busta Rhymes, the one whose name rhymes with AZ--the amount of their quality output absolutely dwarfs that of Nas.

Shit, forget Illlmatic. He still has more good to great songs than any other MC I can think of. Are you really suggesting that Snoop and Busta have more good material than Nas? I won't argue the Jay Z comment because I'm not looking to rehash that old ass argument, but damn, give Nas his credit. This new album is his second best of his career for christ sakes and time will tell whether it's a classic.

>>he's released quality material since, but he (maybe until
>>now) has never been able to get that off his back
>>
>>few records have cast a shadow as that one has on someone's
>>career
>
>Most rap artists who emerged in that era were judged on the
>superiority of their debut effort, and most rap artists who
>emerged in that era were not able to follow up the artistic
>and/or commercial success of their debut.
>
>That's why rappers had very short careers throughout the
>golden age.
>
>Of course few albums cast the shadow that Illmatic did. Not
>only was it a great album, but its timing that saw a sales
>explosion in pandering commercial rap.
>
>You say he's released quality material since. I say he's
>released *some* quality material since. If you compare the
>amount of quality material he's released over the years to the
>amount of some of his peers that emerged from the same era,
>it's pretty impressive. As a ratio of his total output, I'd
>argue that he has a terrible rate of quality music
>released--which is why I jumped ship as a fan.
>
>I don't use "Illmatic" as a reason that I don't like his music
>anymore. I use every single release since. They're just
>not that good. Ever. Of course there are some good
>moments, but it's not that hard to find other prolific
>hall-of-fame artists of his era--e.g. Snoop Dogg, Busta
>Rhymes, the one whose name rhymes with AZ--the amount of their
>quality output absolutely dwarfs that of Nas.

www.newzbomb.com

>You say he's released quality material since. I say he's
>released *some* quality material since.

not everything was quality (after all, "Big Things" exists), but he's had some good moments since. everyone keeps talking about Illmatic though. sometimes, even Nas (to the point it was part of his album title).

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you'll see more and more rappers openly use songwriting partners...

You'll see songwriting teams and folks have songs on album openly written by someone else or even full on cover songs.

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

like Wow. I never notice before.

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

i hear it in some spots. but ive never heard a jay elec song/verse that has been off beat, while I've heard several Nas songs/verses where he flows off beat.

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I think I heard like one song maybe...but now...yea that shit sound just like him.

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"F you Im better in tune with the Infinite"

just listening to Nas alone on that album you know someone else ain't writing his shit, cmon lol, y'all some gullible mf'ers

As far as Dream Hampton, was that supposed to be a compliment to Jay and an insult to Nas? Jay was always the goat to me but dude has not spit an exciting verse in a few years now

...about dudes talking shit about Nas (What else is new ?), or them finding something new to latch on and continue the hate.

But Dream Hampton ? I actually took her seriously as a sensible thinker and hip-hop afficionado, not a lousy gossip-peddler. There, she came across as if she was too much of a self-crowned insider.

And she knew how her statement would be taken, so I don't accept the cop-out that folks are focusing on things they want to focus on on what she said. Folks are challenging her credibility and need specifics and clarity, and it seems she can't handle the backlash.

She has closed off her Twitter account, claiming to be standing by what she said, even if "Those involved deny it."

I wonder what did Nas say to her ? She comes off like somebody with a bone to grind.

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