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Selah
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"Is there a difference between a cover and a remake?"
Thu Jul-19-12 05:59 PM by Selah

          

...or do you think they are the same?

(post edit: title changed for the persnickety)

  

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so by this defintion there is no such thing as a recorded cover?
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      i didn't say that
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           technically
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                a remake is probably a newer term
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0.
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i thought one had differences
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      no, they're the same thing, some covers or remakes are more faithful
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      connotation
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      they mean the same thing.
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is there really confusion over this?
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i know people get confused over samples and interpolations
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no. the words are used interchangeably.
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not really, however why not confirm?
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Eh, it's the same...
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and an update means a new version
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RE: Is there a difference between a cover and a remake?
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howisya
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1. "none"
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if you want to get technical, a "cover" derives from when live performers had to play other people's songs to cover for their lack of (good/audience-appropriate) material

  

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Selah
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3. "so by this defintion there is no such thing as a recorded cover?"
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howisya
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5. "i didn't say that"
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i just gave you an anecdote on where the term comes from, there are millions of recorded covers

  

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Selah
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13. "technically"
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Thu Jul-19-12 06:19 PM by Selah

          

I guess you didn't

I was basing off your historical-recap

  

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howisya
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14. "a remake is probably a newer term"
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they all mean the same thing, a performance of someone else's song, it's just the word "cover" has a specific history the other, more general, probably newer terms don't.

now what about karaoke? i would argue this is a term that is set apart somewhat from the others, cover, remake, etc., because it uses a prerecorded backing track. if you're covering something, the instrumentation is all new.* not so with karaoke. a (hip-hop) recorded "freestyle" is related to this. the lyrics and flow differ, but usually it's someone else's instrumental being used and often the original song referenced in some way. it's not quite a cover, not really a remix unless appended to the original, and certainly not karaoke where the original song lyrics are being performed.

*there is a great cover by the dismemberment plan of the cure's "close to me" where the original is scratched at the end. other covers exist where the original song is actually sampled, but it isn't that common IMO.

oh, and is a remix really a remix? a remix was just a re-mix, a new mix (different volume levels/stereo panning). an edit changes the length, like a radio edit could be a shorter version by omitting a bridge or something. some edits, like an extended or dance edit, might add instrumentation as well as effects to the original. remixes come from this, to the point where the music might be completely different. remix itself doesn't really mean what it did originally or what the word would suggest. all of this is to say it's fair to question these terms even if on the surface it might seem like a "dumb question."

  

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2. "0."
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i've always known them to be the same thing. different words for the same thing.

fuck you.

  

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Selah
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6. "i thought one had differences"
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think:

different melody
different beat

while the other did not

example:

Marvin Gaye's version of the Beatles' "Yesterday"

vs Snoop's version of "La-Di-Dah-Di"

one sounds like the exact same thing done by two different people, the other could almost (aside from lyrics) be two different songs

  

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8. "no, they're the same thing, some covers or remakes are more faithful"
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to the original version than others.

  

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howisya
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9. "connotation"
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they may connote something different for you, but they mean the same thing. i know what you mean because some performers aim to redo/remake/recreate a song faithfully. it's basically the same arrangement. it might not even be the original songwriter's arrangement but another popular arrangement that is itself a cover.

  

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SoWhat
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10. "they mean the same thing."
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fuck you.

  

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4. "is there really confusion over this?"
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howisya
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7. "i know people get confused over samples and interpolations"
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and remixes... but a cover is a remake is a rendition...

  

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11. "no. the words are used interchangeably."
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fuck you.

  

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Selah
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12. "not really, however why not confirm?"
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they *could* be different things

  

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Jakob Hellberg
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15. "Eh, it's the same..."
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Thu Jul-19-12 09:29 PM by Jakob Hellberg

          

"remake" is a newer term (actually, I'm not sure of that but the *label* remake, I don't remember people using to the same extent as cover back in the day) and since music has changed a bit, I guess songs labelled "remakes" sound a bit principally different in some genres from covers back in the day but I'm not even sure of that and I don't think it makes too much sense. Cover=you play a previously recorded *and* released song (the released part is important IMO). Remake=same shit. Tryng to go beyond that just makes shit unnecessarily convoluted and I'm 100% sure there will be contradictions and inconsistensie, especially since I haven't seen a strict definition of remake that defines it differently from ''cover'' anywhare...

Anyway, if *i* was asked to define them as different things, a cover would be something that had the sheet-music aspect (=melody, chords) in common but is otherwise treated more loosely whereas a remake would also add a similar arrangement and instrumentation. However, since the terms have been used interchangeably, it's pretty pointless...

EDIT:Maybe a remake could be a subset of a cover (=a remake is a cover, a cover isn't necessarily a remake) which would make sense but that is something that people need to agree upon and I doubt that will happen, especially since I've seen the term remake used for covers that *sound* radically different...

EDIT 2: Maybe you could use the word remake when artists cover themselves (=they record one of their songs again). Then, it isn't really a cover but it is definitely a remake. That would be the best definition IMO but again, try to make that shit common consensus-not very easy...

  

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howisya
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16. "and an update means a new version"
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either by the original artist with a re-recording or new live arrangement or a cover that modernizes the song for better or worse

  

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17. "RE: Is there a difference between a cover and a remake?"
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cover i think is when someone sings a song EXACTLY like the original artist including all adlibs and runs in the same style kind of like when someone sings "Lovin You by Minnie Ripperton"

Remake is a version of a song but done in a way where you dont try to imatate the original artist kind of like

when Anita baker redid Lately by Tyrese


karaoke is actually singing to score points for copying the original tune.

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