I'm talkin hard drugs. We know rappers have always talked about blowing trees and poppin bottles, but it seemed like cats didn't fuck with harder drugs or rap about em (outside of selling it). I mean you had Mac Dre talkin bout thizzles, and cats like Del talkin shrooms, but they were outliers.
I've been hearing a lot of rappers lately talkin bout doing anything they can get their hands on. Weed, coke, acid, pills of all kinds, etc. A good example would be that Schoolboy Q "Druggys with Hoes" or basically anything Danny Brown has put out recently.
Not that I have a problem with it, just wondering what the catalyst is.
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1. "RE: When did hip-hop start embracing drug use?" In response to Reply # 0
>I'm talkin hard drugs. We know rappers have always talked >about blowing trees and poppin bottles, but it seemed like >cats didn't fuck with harder drugs or rap about em (outside of >selling it). I mean you had Mac Dre talkin bout thizzles, and >cats like Del talkin shrooms, but they were outliers. > >I've been hearing a lot of rappers lately talkin bout doing >anything they can get their hands on. Weed, coke, acid, pills >of all kinds, etc. A good example would be that Schoolboy Q >"Druggys with Hoes" or basically anything Danny Brown has put >out recently. > >Not that I have a problem with it, just wondering what the >catalyst is.
Interesting question. Wonder how this thread will pan out.
68. "I've heard that on here before and call bullshit" In response to Reply # 12
The whole song is pretty anti-drug
I mean does this sound like someone who's endorsing it? Their personal life aside (God knows how many musicians took anti-drug but used in their personal life)
"Ticket to ride, white line highway Tell all your friends, they can go my way Pay your toll, sell your soul Pound for pound costs more than gold The longer you stay, the more you pay My white lines go a long way Either up your nose or through your vein With nothin to gain except killin’ your brain"
"Athletes rejected, governerds corrected Gangsters, thugs and smugglers are thoroughly respected The money gets divided The women get excited Now I’m broke and it’s no joke It’s hard as hell to fight it, don’t buy it!"
13. "Wrong & wronger" In response to Reply # 3 Wed May-16-12 10:37 AM by OKdamn
>Not what you're talking about though. It was Eminem, he >broke recreational drug use into mainstream hip-hop. NO So wrong. Ever heard of Del? Beastie Boys? Dre Dog? Schoolly D? LL was a serious cokehead, he'll tell you that. Kurtis Blow? I'm leaving out alot of songs and artists but I don't wanna spend 10 minutes typing the shit out. Go do some research. I can't believe you said Eminem. Wow
15. "I'm not talking about weed. Where is doing drugs 'prominent' because" In response to Reply # 14
of Eminem? Ask LL how 'prominent' his 1000 dollar coke habit was or ask Run or Too Short what whoolies are & how popular they were in the rap industry in the 80s.
22. "so...you think hip hop solely exists on tv & records" In response to Reply # 18
and by the artists who were all in the same circles- at the same parties- in the same radio stations - actually DOING the drugs - doesn't mean "hip hop" embraced drug use. Think about that for a sec. Who is this "hip hop" you speak of? You guys are acting like "hip hop" is some old man on a mountain who one day "embraced" drug use.
24. "Who said 'oh cool we can talk about this' ? The people who weren't" In response to Reply # 20 Wed May-16-12 10:59 AM by OKdamn
already on drugs? Or the people who were doing the drugs all along? What? Sorry to burst your bubble but drugs have been being used by the artists, the fans/ everybody. It became accepted to people who usually wouldn't accept it way before Eminem when people shrugged off Alexander O Neal/ Kurt Cobain & thems' habits. Using psychedelic substances was nothing knew on wax or something taboo when Eminem showed up. Justin Warfield made a whole album about it in 1993.
It's always been there - Eminem just got the most shine out of anybody rapping about that subject matter.
45. "RE: Drugs are and have always been prominent in entertainment circles" In response to Reply # 30
You are completely ignoring that The OP is not talking about people in hip hop using drugs hes talking about the songs being made about it and it not just people using drugs. I think you thought he said "when did hip hop artist start using drugs".
55. "you think everybody who did hard drugs" In response to Reply # 48
rap/rapped about it? And because a few people did/do a new corner has been turned? Nothing is going on now that hasn't been going on all along. So more people aren't scared to say it on wax. That doesn't mean anything. It's still kept on the low in alot of places - but just cause you didn't see it because they didn't come out & tell you doesn't mean it wasn't there. The buying public doesn't care if an artist is on drugs. It's been talked about on wax since the beginning.
4. "Only Built 4 Cuban Linx." In response to Reply # 0
That is, counting only from the "Golden Age" upwards (which is what I assume you're talking about) and not including the early 80s when you had a million rappers with "Blow" and "Ski" in their names.
7. "nah... it was about using." In response to Reply # 6
Back in the days when having access to cocaine was a symbol of prestige. Hip-hop hadn't yet started glamorizing "the street life" yet... nobody was talking about being dealers then.
27. "coke was the drug of choice in entertainment circles dating back" In response to Reply # 23
to the late 60s. Hip hop partly spawned from the disco scene which was basically fueled by hard drugs. People didn't only accept it, they participated. These mfs in here talkin bout Eminem & hyphy LOL- I'm out.
34. "before I reply, how old are you? If you would STFU & learn something" In response to Reply # 33
instead of being a imbecile & saying things like Eminem started it & hyphy continued it, you'd be a little bit smarter today than you were yesterday. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Post songs of LL and whoever else you mentioned endorsing drugs or STFU. And I'm not talking one line here or there (excuse the pun), I'm talking excessive references.
"Yes I see all the nummmberrs... I still root for the dreeeamerrs... I thank God for the dreeeamerrs..." - Mos
35. "hard drugs have never been popular in rap." In response to Reply # 0
seems like an obvious reflection of the fact that shit like acid, molly and blow are used more prevalently by white people. shit, most posters on okayplayer still freak the fuck out over cocaine, when it's omnipresent as a recreational drug.
72. "Please explain how these lyrics are pro-cocaine" In response to Reply # 37
"Ticket to ride, white line highway Tell all your friends, they can go my way Pay your toll, sell your soul Pound for pound costs more than gold The longer you stay, the more you pay My white lines go a long way Either up your nose or through your vein With nothin to gain except killin’ your brain"
"Athletes rejected, governerds corrected Gangsters, thugs and smugglers are thoroughly respected The money gets divided The women get excited Now I’m broke and it’s no joke It’s hard as hell to fight it, don’t buy it!"
that's the question here. i don't think the OP is asking when rappers started USING 'hard' drugs backstage and in the studio and at parties, etc. the question is when and how did it become acceptable for mainstream rappers to openly embrace/celebrate 'hard' drug use. b/c it wasn't always like that. there was either silence on the issue or coy shit like 'White Lines (Don't Do It)'.
60. "beatnuts mentioned Coke on the ''Street level'' album in 93" In response to Reply # 42
Psycho Les says "Sniff my second line of coke" on one track (don't remember which one). Of course, I'm sure you can find numerous other random examples like that one earlier so I'm not saying they started it or anything but it always stood out to me...
59. "from what I gather...." In response to Reply # 0
Cocaine was the official sponsor of hip hop in the late 70's/early 80's.
I agree that drug use became a hush-hush thing for ahile during the late 80's. Getting high was kinda seen as a weakness.
Cypress Hill was the biggest catalyst for the connection between herb and hip hop. After they came out....every nerd had a bandana with marijuana leaves on it. And every act started having the 'weed track' on their album.
66. "RE: When did hip-hop start embracing drug use?" In response to Reply # 61
dude you honestly shouldn't be allowed to post for at least a week for that dumb ass thread you started about mc's from BK and queens not repping long island.
69. "Xzibit rappin about Shroomz in 98....." In response to Reply # 0 Thu May-17-12 12:00 PM by My_SP1200_Broken_Aga
....thats the first non coke/weed rap i remember hearing besides Cage's Agent Orange 12" ....Em may have been the 1st to rap about X but that goes along with it being a really popular drug at that time ...Also, Cage should get the credit before Em does
76. "not really buying the em angle." In response to Reply # 0
em never made drugs seem cool or accessible or interesting, he generally used them as "look how crazy i am!" gags. same way odd future does. dudes like del, wayne, beasties, boys n da hood and ghostface were way druggier.
80. "i have a problem with it" In response to Reply # 0
alot of people i know now do cocaine...its wack i dont wanna hear songs about it
I’d rather sojourn into self till I reached the epitome of spiritual splendor Haters fender bender beat down and ostracize the dreamer But its more than dreams when the inner light is revealed through the cracks of façade-strum the emotions on guitars~me
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