In this post you will identify an artist previously thought to be ahead of 'their time' and then determine if they were in fact ahead of 'their time'. Criteria for this analysis, stating the year in which 'their time' would have been. Without such a year it can be assumed the claim is fiction sense if 'their time' never came they could not be ahead of it.

If you wish to counter by stating 'their time' has yet to come, you will at least to give evidence showing 'their time' could still come.
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fact or fiction

well arugably the Greatest Hybird Genius in Music when consider all the past influences he took and then created his own musical lane and the gangsta of MJ and he is very much Hip Hop when you think about it because MJ could take your stuff and flip it like a hot cake.

ground breaking in the ability to be versatile and have a pressence in so many other lanes.

at the time he came out he had a rawness that was noticeable, and then that once in a lifetime "IT" was unstoppable.

i mean there were other boy groups and other young Male acts, however Michael J Jackson just had that other worldly "IT" that went into a whole different lane.

in my lifetime no other artist captured better what you do and what he does and then mix it up as one for as long as he did and dominate it the way he did.

not getting into saying he was the Greatest or this or that because its all subjective, still even his critics gotta admit MJ had a unique run and pressence on so much musically unlike anyone else for decades period

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His undeniable talent broke down the racial barriers in pop music at the perfect moment in music history when videos overtook radio for a moment. I think Micheal's talent would be wasted on the ringtone generation of music.

the man broke down barriers and his vocal instrument was the swinging of the old into the New and stop with the video aspect because this man was considered a Legend from 69-82 well before the video movement fully took off.

all the kids emulating his thing from back in the 70's were about the man's god given Talent.

unless you were there you don't know what that mans talent meant to so many and I said talent well before videos etc..

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I think of a person that was underappreciated. Thriller selling 100million isn't underappreciated.

the time that he lived in is a more accurate way of stating it...

Ppl got him right away even as a child star. He was cut in the same cloth as James Brown and Jackie Wilson - he added on what he learned from them

grassrootsphilosopher

you had turkeys saying how Quincy Jones was responsible for this or that and what has Quincy Jones exactly done musically post MJ again? not knocking Q's legacy however still acknowledge.

MJ was a very Good Songwriter, Producer and Arranger knew all of his music and was a versatile Musical Arist period and that got taken for granted.

just because you sell alot of records doesn't mean you fully apprciated. garth brooks has sold more records for a Male Solo Artist than any other male solo artist do you think Elvis Presley fans are sweating him? naw.

MJ changed the course of Popular Music twice.and being successful is part of being ahead of your time because growing up back then there weren't nearly as many black artists on that stage that could pull off what MJ did. its common place now, but back then it wasn't.

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....is off kilter flow was just ridiculous...no real father to his style. Duke was beastin...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

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"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

Ahead of his time for being one of the first Emcee/singers. Came out in 1992. The time for Emcee/singers is now, more or less. I think we've been 'accepting' Emcee/Singers since about... 2010, maybe?

Jordan!

Go back and peep the West Coast movement from that period. A lot of them cats were rapping and signing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6zH6uMyU9c

Shit even Black Thought was fuckin around with the style a little later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nozh5l13Auo

and unique group who were singing as well as rapping back in the early 90s inwhich "HipHop purists" criticized them for...and here we are almost 20 yrs later where singing is now part of the format for rappers.

Although they were big group for a short while during the early 90s, a lot of ppl didn't view them as an authentic boom bap HipHop act.

grassrootsphilosopher

I don't think Speech was ever a 'respected' Emcee. You got PM Dawn and shit like that but I was thinking of genuinely respected rappers that also sing that have led us to the likes of Phonte and Drake.

Jordan!

Lauryn Hill and Cee-Lo were both respected emcees at their peaks who also sang well and were recognized for it.

Pharaohe Monch, Mos Def, Andre3000 were/are all respected emcees in their primes who from time to time sang/sing in their songs.. some more than others.. with varying degrees of success.

that's what i'm saying. what are you saying?

Jordan!

he wasn't ahead of his time as a kid however he was showing signs of a talent, however the 70's he was the trailblazer and IMO nobody has matched his Album run before or since IMO.

he flipped the script with the use of sound and his own creative Prowness and became the Musical Genius of all.

in the 60's he was good and also part Novelty. he had gotten structure.

you see when i think back to a Stevie Wonder in the 60's and the talent at Motown and the A&R imagine if a Usher or Beyonce had somebody like that in there ear and challenged them and imagine the results we might get?

his 70's era run is Fact and he changed the game musically forever.

he has a voice on Keys, drums and harmonica.

vocal influence speaks for itself.

songwriting Genius.


he is that dude that says it takes time and then when done right its unstoppable.

what Stevie Wonder was allowed to showcase and develop into is what is sorely missing nowadays at these record companys. he got a chance to get his feet wet and also develop into a full fledge artist.

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and consider the fact that its been abt 43 yrs since his death and no guitar player today has really caught up to the things he was doing back then. The "voodoo child" was like a shooting comet who came to provide us all w/some "electric religion."

If I'm not mistaken, He was the 1st to use the wah pedal and his mixing of amplifiers created a wide range of sounds that no one had heard before.

He was a *self taught* left handed guitar player who took a right handed Fender stratocaster and PLAYED IT UPSIDE DOWN

Jimi, who wasn't the 1st to use feedback and distortion, took it to a whole other level and essentially created his own personal vocabulary infused w/the blues.

grassrootsphilosopher

i mean every funkateer owes a debt to his genius and his ability to hybrid the Gospel, R&B and Pop as one.

the multi cultural band, the sing along songs, the feel good vibe the hard hitting reality songs.

thumping Bass courtesy of Larry Graham.

He is One of the Mount Rushmore's of Modern Music and in still a Mystery after all of these years.

concepts and creativity that inspired acts in all styles of music.

he was the first true Black Alternative Superstar and yet was funky and Mainstream and yet went away like it was nothing to it.

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in hip hop that was popularized on "just a friend"

Dudley Perkins 2003 specifically "a lil light" whih showcased off key singing with no regard for how it came outtook the torch in 2001. it was bad on purpose

this lead the way for Autotune era and cats realized that even if they sounded like Biz/Dudley they could just Autotune it up and KIM

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studio enhancements for singers

except Roger did it better than anyone that came after him

grassrootsphilosopher

he wasn't the 1st to do what he did w/the TalkBox and he wasn't the precursor to the current AutoTune era.

just...no.

voices had been distorted on record before Zapp. check out Stevie's 'Love Having You Around' for just one example from 1972.

and most singers don't abuse AutoTune like T-Pain. A-T wasn't intended to produce the sort of sounds T-Pain produces w/it. it's intended to make singers like Janet or Mariah sound more perfect. it's to help them hit notes they missed or to fill in 'gaps' in their voice. T-Pain played w/it to produce his sounds.

but, of course, Troutman was the bomb. and i love several Zapp records. the man made some great stuff.

fuck you.

wasn't ahead of his times...because while others have sparingly used the talk box before, he is the most known for using the voice distortion tool because he used it in ALL of his songs..

(Allen Iverson wasn't the 1st NBA basketball player to have tattoos either, Dennis Rodman was, but Iverson popularized that image and that's when everybody began doing it, no one copying after Rodman.)

or better yet, As I said above in reference to Jimi Hendrix, he wasn't the 1st guitarist to use sound distortion in his music but he put his own personal touch to it and that's when other guitarist really started doing it as well.


>he wasn't the 1st to do what he did w/the TalkBox and he
>wasn't the precursor to the current AutoTune era.
>
>just...no.
>
>voices had been distorted on record before Zapp. check out
>Stevie's 'Love Having You Around' for just one example from
>1972.
>
>and most singers don't abuse AutoTune like T-Pain. A-T wasn't
>intended to produce the sort of sounds T-Pain produces w/it.
>it's intended to make singers like Janet or Mariah sound more
>perfect. it's to help them hit notes they missed or to fill
>in 'gaps' in their voice. T-Pain played w/it to produce his
>sounds.
>
>but, of course, Troutman was the bomb. and i love several
>Zapp records. the man made some great stuff.

grassrootsphilosopher

he was right in line w/it.

if he were ahead of his time then ppl in his era wouldn't have been able to appreciate his work. it would only or mostly have been appreciated after the fact. Zapp and Roger were greatly appreciated when they were current. so they weren't ahead of their time, the way i see it.

fuck you.

be ahead of your time...Jimi Hendrix is a perfect example, he is w/o question someone who was waaaay ahead of his time, yet, most rock/psychodelic fans while recognizing that he was doing things on the guitar never before seen, they still loved his music.

I recently seen the documentary on Troutman and in it they said when his audience first heard the talkbox, they thought it was kinda weird but they still loved the music. And lets remember, initially there were plenty of critics and some fans who thought his use of the voicebox was a gimmick.


>he was right in line w/it.
>
>if he were ahead of his time then ppl in his era wouldn't have
>been able to appreciate his work. it would only or mostly
>have been appreciated after the fact. Zapp and Roger were
>greatly appreciated when they were current. so they weren't
>ahead of their time, the way i see it.

grassrootsphilosopher

he also was right in line w/it. and he helped define it.

like what y'all said about MJ up there. same thing.

that's what happens w/acts whose music is atypical but widely accepted. they tend to define their era.

MJ did it. Prince did it. Stevie did it. Marvin Gaye did it. The Beatles. Elvis. and on and on.

fuck you.

like ahead of time means career in my books. if within your career you hip people to what you're doing, that's YOUR TIME!!
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fuck you.

doing? from his guitar playing, to the use of the wah pedal, and making the studio an extension for expanding his music ideas...and yes, he was instrumental in defining his era

but

Hendrix's music wasn't really widely accepted, he was only on the scene for *3 yrs* and in addition, most blk folks weren't even into Hendrix - we caught on years later to his genius.

Hendrix was ahead of his time on so many levels.

I keep using sports analogies to make my point: Ali was someone who was popular during his time and even moreso after

but

he is the one athlete, more than any other, who was ahead of his time which is why to a lot of ppl back then, both blk and white, he was considered an outlier because blk athletes didn't conduct themselves that way back then w/all the loud and brash talk/boastin but his naysayers managed to admire and loathe him all at once because he was great at what he did...from his boxing skills to his self promotion which has become the norm amongst today's athletes.

grassrootsphilosopher

back when he was working with the isley's he was ahead of his time. by the time he came back to the states it was his time.
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ahead of his time lol...

the fact of the matter is ALL his contemporaries (including Clapton) said he was way ahead of his time and many made bad attempts to try and copy what he did (The Monkeys?)


>back when he was working with the isley's he was ahead of his
>time. by the time he came back to the states it was his
>time.

but he didn't come into his own and began all his experimentations until he became a solo artist - he wasn't doing HIS music and was somewhat limited w/both the Isleys and Little Richard.

grassrootsphilosopher

>doing? from his guitar playing,

Pete Townsend. no, he wasn't as good as Jimi. but he was doing that fiery stuff (even literally). he's just 1 example.

to the use of the wah pedal,
>and making the studio an extension for expanding his music
>ideas...

The Beatles, the Stones, Pink Floyd, the Who, Love...everybody.

>Hendrix's music wasn't really widely accepted,

he sold millions of albums and singles before he died. he was a Rock Star when he died. he was not unsung. lol

he was only on
>the scene for *3 yrs* and in addition,

as a solo act, yes. and mainstream audiences (read: young white kids) ate his stuff up. especially overseas. all 3 of his studio albums reached the top 5 in the USA. his singles didn't fare as well here. overseas they did though - he had several top 10 hits in the UK.

most blk folks weren't
>even into Hendrix - we caught on years later to his genius.

sure. and black audiences still aren't into his stuff. b/c we don't dig Rock like that.

>Hendrix was ahead of his time on so many levels.

he defined his time.

>I keep using sports analogies to make my point: Ali was
>someone who was popular during his time and even moreso after
>
>but
>
>he is the one athlete, more than any other, who was ahead of
>his time which is why to a lot of ppl back then, both blk and
>white, he was considered an outlier because blk athletes
>didn't conduct themselves that way back then but his naysayers
>managed to admire and loathe him all at once because he was
>great at what he did...from his boxing skills to his self
>promotion which has become the norm amongst today's athletes.

i don't think the analogy works here. Ali is more MJ than Hendrix. and MJ defined his time too.

fuck you.

most imitated guitarist in music history doesn't mean other guitarists were doing what he was doing. Plenty of ppl gave cheap imitations of what he did but I bet *you* know Hendrix's guitar playing no matter how many ppl tried to copying his style...the same can be said of Louis Armstrong...not only did other trumpeteers try and sound like him but all other musicians as well and there's no denying Armstrong was so far ahead of his time.

peep what Phill Collen of Def Leopard said in regard to Hendrix's imitators:

Def Leppard’s Phil Collen on Jimi Hendrix Imitators http://wzlx.radio.com/2011/07/26/def-leppards-phil-collen-on-jimi-hendrix-imitators/#ixzz1uEBrpdXu>>doing? from his guitar playing,

>Pete Townsend. no, he wasn't as good as Jimi. but he was
>doing that fiery stuff (even literally). he's just 1
>example.

but see that's the thing: as Collen said above, different guitarist tried to doing maybe one...or two things Hendrix did but they can't capture the totality of his playing because it was *his* artistic expression. (I use to say the same abt Glen Lewis when everyone was saying he sounded like Stevie Wonder)

here's another quote:

Jimi Hendrix plays The Denver Pop Festival
June 29, 1969

As time passes, trying to understand Jimi becomes more difficult... especially for those who were not around then. He wasn't a morose dissatisfied young man as some believe. Too often guitarists are compared to Jimi such as Stevie Ray but realistically no one could match Jimi. Jimi Hendrix was a powerhouse and imitators should bear this in mind: when you copy Jimi, such as a bar band would or if you are the local 22 year old guitar hero, play it correctly or don't play it all. Imitators are unwitting history teachers so do not sell Jimi Hendrix short. Get yourself a copy of Hendrix' full performance at Woodstock, watch it once, then think twice

Jimi Hendrix
"I've been imitated so well I've heard people copy my mistakes."



> to the use of the wah pedal,
>>and making the studio an extension for expanding his music
>>ideas...
>
>The Beatles, the Stones, Pink Floyd, the Who,
>Love...everybody.
>
>>Hendrix's music wasn't really widely accepted,
>
>he sold millions of albums and singles before he died. he was
>a Rock Star when he died. he was not unsung. lol

not that he was unsung but outside of rock circles, he wasn't really widely known as he would late become in death...


>>I keep using sports analogies to make my point: Ali was
>>someone who was popular during his time and even moreso
>after

>but

>>he is the one athlete, more than any other, who was ahead of
>>his time which is why to a lot of ppl back then, both blk
>and
>>white, he was considered an outlier because blk athletes
>>didn't conduct themselves that way back then but his
>naysayers
>>managed to admire and loathe him all at once because he was
>>great at what he did...from his boxing skills to his self
>>promotion which has become the norm amongst today's
>athletes.
>
>i don't think the analogy works here. Ali is more MJ than
>Hendrix. and MJ defined his time too.

Nah, every loud mouth, brash talking, and self assured athlete of today has taken their cue from Ali...and Ali would fit too perfectly in today's espn driven sportsworld but in the 60s and 70s ppl weren't quite ready for that type of blk athlete. Ali and Hendrix both defined their eras but, yet, were still waaay ahead of their time.

grassrootsphilosopher

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fuck you.

use of the vocoder and voice-alteration in that manner has been done long before that.

unlike everyone else, he was the only one who dared to do it for an entire conventional "song", across several verses... and albums trying that effect, instead of a one-off (or two-off, or three-off).

critics (in the U.S.A.) and the crowd weren't feeling it (in some cases I'd say rightly, because he veered off the track with Feets Don't Fail Me Now, following the greatness of Sunlight IMO).

it was right around the time he hung it up and joined the pack of those who used the vocoder as "garnish" that Zapp really came into prominence as a "robot voice" act.

Stevie was Roger's inspiration to use the talkbox (and though Stevie has never recorded a full-length song with the talkbox as the primary vocal on his own albums, he has done this in a live setting for a long time), but Roger himself didn't even really use it much except as a garnish until "More Bounce" (which IMO, is still in the "garnish" category) took off. Then after "I Heard It Through The Grapevine" (on his own solo album that followed), it became his "thing" and THE thing that Zapp became known for.

ever since Zapp (and moreso Roger) made it "their" thing, the practice of "roboting" your voice for an entire song became attributed to Zapp first and foremost.

he was right for his time. but the ppl (and/or his label) decided his stuff wasn't what they wanted.

but he was right for his time. and i say that b/c other acts like Sly & the Family Stone found success making similar music in the same time period.

fuck you.

And the Velvet Underground, too.

...because

a)Neither sounded like the stuff that was typical of the time
b)They both got namechecked as an influence by cool and hip artists later on.
That's pretty much what "ahead of their time" boils down to; Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention also didn't sound like what was typcal at the time but they "never" (well, after the late 60's/early 70's) inspired many cool or hip n¨bands-mostly just fusion- and prog-nerds with ponytails and glasses. Hence, they are not viewed as ahead of their time or "timeless" as velvet Underground.

Basically, it's not enough to sound atypical and be influential, you need to inspire the "correct" stuff as well...

i like your definition but i'd add the 'ignored' element. like w/Velvet Underground. they were ahead of their time and we know it b/c their sound was atypical for their era, they influenced key ppl (who built on the influence) and while audiences largely rejected their music when it was current, it has since been appreciated in greater numbers.

^ an act has to have at least all of that to be ahead of its time, imo.

fuck you.

I can understand the notion of being ahead of ones time and still making it, but then it becomes your time. In fact I'd say if your time comes in your career it doesn't really count. The underlying point I think I'm making is most of the time people use ahead of their time, its for artists whose time never came, and it's possible never will/would. Which would mean they kind of need a different classification.
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If you are not ignored, chances are pretty good that other artists around at the same time will get inspired by you and then you are not atypical anymore.

Of course, there are exceptions...

i'll use MJ as the example.

on several levels the songs on Thriller were atypical for that era. R&B solo acts didn't make Pop-Rock singles. Toto didn't usually back up R&B acts. Halloween novelty records don't usually live long. and they definitely don't get splashy music videos. and music videos didn't typically feature dance routines clipped from big-budget musical movies and stage shows. and on and on.

the record was accepted. widely. it helped to define the sound of that era. it even shook up the music biz on the biz side.

atypical but accepted. i wouldn't say Thriller was ahead of its time.

fuck you.

i'd call that trailblazing or legendary, ie fighting against the odds to make something that by all accounts shouldn't work, work really really well.
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of his time and nobody else took the kind of risks he did.

i mean just working with Quincy Jones back in the day was considered career suicide.

i know for a fact that some folks were like saying all Quincy does is Produce and mainly known as a Arranger how is that going to work?

that in itself was a bold move.

fast forward to today and it ain't like you got Patrice Rushen Producing Beyonce or George Duke or Marcus Miller Producing Usher.

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fuck you.

whatever you can say about Miles Davis you can say about Michael Joe Jackson and FYI Michael Jackson changed the course of music twice. first as a kid act and then as a Adult act.

he was Game changer ole miracle whip and no bread jive turkey hating on the King of Pop

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he was a genius, 1 of the greatest...blah blah blah.

he defined his era. he wasn't ahead of it.

^ THAT. IS. A. COMPLIMENT. TO. MJ. IT. IS. NOT. A. DISS.

fuck you.

I think he just has a very defined view of what it means to be "ahead of one's time"

Anybody that denies that MJ changed the game is obviously a contrarian idiot that doesn't have a valid musical opinion anyway. But there's something to the definition of being "ahead of one's time"

I think what the OP and the previous poster are getting at is that you're "ahead of your time" it also means you were never in your time. AKA the case with the Velvet Underground: ignored during their career and then endlessly namechecked by relevant/important acts many years after their existence. For Michael, this was not the case.

do the things he did 25-30 years back and also there is a greater appreciation and respect for his work than there was during much of his time alive.

a Black Act being successful and achieving levels of respect on the pop charts while holding it down in R&B is ahead of the time IMO.

if you knew the time MJ came out during and seeing things today you'd understand what i mean.

Commerical Success factors in you also being ahead of your time.

a Black Superstar crossing over dominating

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Even if you don't like the definition, the one we're using for this discussion implies the artist career halted before their time came. Period.
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if you grew up hearing foster Sylvers, DOnny Osmond and other family lead male acts you know what Michael Joe Jackson meant end of discussion and nothing left to proof.

the Man changed the course of Music twice period. ain't been another one like him since and doubt we will ever see another one again. i know we won't.

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it's also interesting how much in contrast this post is to the hip hop legends post

grassrootsphilosopher

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fuck you.

imo..

and im an andre stan

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I feel that their songs were big and got love, but they came RIGHT when that Hip Hop & B sound was poppin with Mary J n them. They were a bit more mature and would have fit in better with that late 90's early 2000's Kay Gee uptempo "Grown & sexy" vibe that was poppin at that time.

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all that jerimiah, drake,the weeknd, dreamy electronic rnb

he did that shit ten yrs ago.

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it becomes simply another recourse appropriated by the colonizer

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i wonder if they even know who he is

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When discourse of Blackness is not connected to efforts to promote collective black self determinism
it becomes simply another recourse appropriated by the colonizer

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he was ahead of his time if youth is a factor in it being his time now. but the africa hitech gave him the opportunity to capitalize on it. but he can never be young again so...
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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am one thing, a musician." © Miles Davis

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

than af-ams are into black brit music.

i believe the weeknd straight up heard curvatia and vintage high tec

frank ocean too cos i think hes older than his industry age, his interviews suggest he is well listened

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When discourse of Blackness is not connected to efforts to promote collective black self determinism
it becomes simply another recourse appropriated by the colonizer

http://hardboiledbabesanddarkchocolate.tumblr.co

>than af-ams are into black brit music.

we used to eat that up (granted, it sounded just like "our" R&B), there were a number of Black Brit R&B artists that got shine in the USA back then that I remember.

I often found interesting, because I wondered about the "context" of such music. shit, I had almost forgotten Spacek until you mentioned him... he sounds like The-Dream before The-Dream sometimes to me.

Dude was making masterful albums while playing every instrument and recording it himself, writing and producing and performing it from top to bottom.

Not to mention, this song came out in 1972 and sounds like it came from 1979-1982.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYa0PdJTS54

Nigga I'm FAST....*pyoon*
ARE YOU TRYING TO RACE?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-Hiper18Yc

commercially ignored (because his name is known enough to be referenced on That 70's Show), but certainly when it comes to one-man-bands... you don't hear his name mentioned as much as it should be.

dude was much like Stevie Wonder (and Prince), one of those songwriters/producers who had a SOUND that was instantly identifiable, and tended to "envelop" the artist singing it.

SoWhat once remarked that STEVIE WONDER PRESENTS SYREETA, now a well-known record with a proper reissue, sounded just like a Stevie Wonder album from 1974. This was before I had heard it myself, so I had to hear it immediately after reading that.

damn sure sounds like Stevie.

Rundgren's album in this regard is WAR BABIES by Hall & Oates. If you haven't heard that, I'd go right to it.

the father of R&B if you will. now he was a Nat King Cole CLone at first, however when he fused R&B,pop and Gospel as One he found his voice and forever changed the course of music and he has influenced cats as diverse as Michael Jackson, SLy Stone, Donald Fagan, Billy Joel amongest others in between.

between his playing and singing.

and this Man covered almost all genres. what Lionel B.Richie just accomplished with his country duets project is great, however nearly 50 years ago Ray Charles did just that in his prime and peak as a Artist.

in truth this Man covered all bases of music. what a Lionel Richie does, R.Kelly does, Michael Jackson, does Stevie Wonder does, etc.. this Man did it all and got respected in many different styles of music. a true Musical Ambassador.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

mastered california pop punk more than a decade before it became popular. Had anti-racism, anti-misogyny, anti violence punk songs in the early 80's. Even went the emo route a decade before emo.

that I fuckin' hate it when people say that an act is ahead of their time while their still contemporary. That statement is to be used after the fact. Like how the fuck am I supposed to know that anything is ahead of its time when it just came out last week. The shit is weird and superfluous, but not necessarily ahead of anything. Trends may go in a completely different direction.

Dude is almost the epitome of the topic.

And not just for his electronics. His composition work was insane.
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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

just a (ghetto) music artform but a social and cultural movement spear headed by the youth...he is probably more than other person in HipHop responsible for spreading HipHop's message of peace, love, unity, and fun globally

on the music front, he is one of the originators of break-beat deejaying

(planet rock is still the ish)

grassrootsphilosopher

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i mean he did it all as a trumpet player,band leader and singer. ground breaker and don't act like a "What a wonderful world" ain't stil felt a 100 years later. Ground breaker i dare someone to argue against Satchmo. Miles Davis gave it up to the Man.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

period.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

he defined his time.

Yes sir! The way people play jazz now was started by Louis. At first it was just about march music and everyone playing together. He was the one to jump out in front and start laying it down.

Check out NEW Soul music at: www.myspace.com/starbeing

Bumpin in the STEREO:
Gladys Knight&The Pips
RGE-Black Radio
Esperanza Spalding-RMS
Georgia Anne Muldrow-Seeds
Darryl Reeves-Mercury
Terri Lyne Carrington-TMP

jesus fucking christ.

I love the sense of unrelenting frustration in this post. But I agree, I think people haven't read the posts that touch upon what it means to be "ahead of one's time"

I'm gonna go ahead and say my suggestions were more accurate as to what the OP was getting at:

Raymond Scott
Velvet Underground
Suicide

there are obviously tons more, but those I am certain about

i think certain songs on this were def way ahead of their time. hip hop fans werent ready. the masses werent ready. most still arent.

I thought they were going to be much bigger and had a dope sound...

"Highly developed spirits often encounter resistance from mediocre minds."-Albert Einstein

http://twitter.com/#!/TonyHanesPoetry

he was a visionary and a unique thinker

but if he's 'ahead of his time'

how come there's been nobody else like him?

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“The other dude after me didn’t help my case. It was just like…crazy nigga factory going on.”
Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

see massive attack's song sly for further evidence.