5. "For Kiss, three albums is enough (and that's a stretch)..." In response to Reply # 3
A) Alive (the first one). Kiss first three albums suffered from wimpy or murky production-values and some fillers. This live-album (which some claim is fake but whatever) takes care of that with versions that are uniformly better than the studio-versions and it rocks like a motherfucker. Seriously, one of my favorite live (or "live") rock-albums ever. It also shows that Kiss originally had more in common with the likes of MC5, New York Dolls or even the Stooges than the 80's pop-"metal" they helped inspire.
B) Destroyer. Their bombastic art-rock album (well, by Kiss-standards). More diverse than all their other 70's albums and really nice even if I lack some of the grit from their earlier stuff.
C) Rock'n'roll over OR Love gun (you don't need both). This was Kiss back-to-basics albums after the bombasm of "Destroyer". At the same time, you can hear that they learned something and the material is more dynamic than their early stuff. "Rock'n'roll over" is very downstripped guitar-bass-drums and dry but the songs are mostly excellent.
"Love Gun" meanwhile has a somewhat bigger production (actually, it's Kiss best.-sounding album IMO) and is really entertaining and fun but there are about 2-3 fillers including a godawful cover of The Crystals "And then he kissed me" and a song called "Tomorrow and tonight" that REALLY sound like a precursor to Warrant or Poison.
Overall though, I'd say "Love Gun" is their best studio-album.
9. "There are some good moments, but I tend to agree" In response to Reply # 5
A wealth of hits. ALIVE is great, I'm a lifelong fan of Destroyer, love the first album as well, and then it's scattered. LOVE GUN had always been iffy for me, but maybe time to revisit. Then there are the four solo albums, and I will say that I always battle between Ace's and Gene's. I know Ace's album will always be the champion, and as a kid I wanted to be Ace too but Gene has always had that bit of cheesiness and... would "schmaltz" be the right word? I mean, you have him singing a Jiminy Cricket song on the album, and to me that makes it so campy and so... Gene. Plus, you have Cher, Donna Summer, and Katey Sagal on the album, which didn't sound like him *at the time* but was very much him.
I actually like the song "I'll Fight Hell To Hold You" on CRAZY NIGHTS, which I believe was the only 80's album I ever bought by them.
I did see Kiss once and only ones, and that was when Anthrax opened up for them. Anthrax were still on their PERSISTENCE OF TIME tour so that would have been... (looking to be sure) 1990 or so. A year later I saw Anthrax again on the Clash Of The Titans tour but... another topic, another time.
he was ground breaking serious with Whats going on
then trouble man and the 1-2 punch a R&B Jazz based project and he was getting away from the Pretty Boy Ladies man singles act route he had during the 60's on Motown.
so then you go to Lets get it on which was metaphors and heavy on sexuality and yet a cry to the Lord for salvation and making sense of all things going on.
in between that he did a couple of duet albums with Diana Ross.
so fast forward to i want you which was Leon Ware's album, however Berry Gordy wanted Marvin Gaye to have that and also Gaye didn't hardly write much on that album which the irony of Irony
and one of his biggest issues with being a Motown artist was creative control etc...
also I want you was a very Black sounding album and not saying Marvin ever sounded more Pop than normal, however I want you had a darker and more in the Hood feel and tone, lets get it on and before that those other Projects had a clear cut lead off single and accessible vibe, not so much with I want you because it was a concept album which wasn't what I call an album for the Mainstream radio,etc..
I wanna be where you are and since I had you are my cuts and I want them to never end for real for real and I love my extended remastered disc of I want you.
love the instrumentals and what have you.
he turned critics off by basically down playing his own songwriting and also I want you works strongly as a Album on a whole, however I wouldn't say any of the songs when compared to Whats going on, Lets get it on, are in that neighbordhood to Pop radio and I know the concept of I want you turned some of those critics off.
I want you is a classic album to me though and I love it, however i get how this one might have not moved some of them.
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