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Joe Corn Mo
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"why didn't critics like "i want you?""


  

          

seriously?

they missed the boat on that one.
maybe it's sentimental attachment that makes me love this album.

no. fuck that.

it's a work of genius.



please don't ask me to explain how it's better
than the shit jodeci did. because i can't.

but it is. lol



"i want you" just takes me to a place.
a special place.

did the critics that reviewed this album
not have the ability to go to the place that i go to
when i hear "i want you?"



just... damn.

i get not liking "here, my dear."
it's a weird album. it's hard to digest.


but "i want you?"




critics had their head up their ass on that one.

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
i wish "after the dance" lasted for 20 minutes, like a jazz song.
May 03rd 2012
1
Kiss fans loved it, it became a staple of their live shows
May 03rd 2012
2
i never really knew where to start with kiss.
May 03rd 2012
3
      For Kiss, three albums is enough (and that's a stretch)...
May 04th 2012
5
      There are some good moments, but I tend to agree
May 04th 2012
9
      i love the way the song cuts off in
May 04th 2012
7
      the best -- imho. n/m
May 04th 2012
10
      I know you were, but didn't state it in the subject line so...
May 04th 2012
8
a few reasons
May 04th 2012
4
now i want to hear 'Since I Had You' & 'Come Live With Me'
May 04th 2012
6

Joe Corn Mo
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1. "i wish "after the dance" lasted for 20 minutes, like a jazz song."
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i'd listen to it... for real.

  

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johnbook
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Thu May-03-12 11:15 PM

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2. "Kiss fans loved it, it became a staple of their live shows"
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ROCK AND ROLL OVER did fairly well for them. In fact let me check.

Platinum album according to Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_and_Roll_Over#Certifications

It remains one of Paul Stanley's finest moments.


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Joe Corn Mo
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Thu May-03-12 11:29 PM

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3. "i never really knew where to start with kiss."
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they had a trillion albums,
so i was always a little intimidated by their catalouge.


there are certain artists that i just never knew where to start.

billie holiday
duke ellington
david bowie

kiss is another one of those bands.


i went to youtube and listened to that "i want you."
it's pretty good, although i wasn't blown away.



















i was talking about marvin gaye, though. lol

  

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Jakob Hellberg
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Fri May-04-12 02:49 AM

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5. "For Kiss, three albums is enough (and that's a stretch)..."
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A) Alive (the first one). Kiss first three albums suffered from wimpy or murky production-values and some fillers. This live-album (which some claim is fake but whatever) takes care of that with versions that are uniformly better than the studio-versions and it rocks like a motherfucker. Seriously, one of my favorite live (or "live") rock-albums ever. It also shows that Kiss originally had more in common with the likes of MC5, New York Dolls or even the Stooges than the 80's pop-"metal" they helped inspire.

B) Destroyer. Their bombastic art-rock album (well, by Kiss-standards). More diverse than all their other 70's albums and really nice even if I lack some of the grit from their earlier stuff.

C) Rock'n'roll over OR Love gun (you don't need both). This was Kiss back-to-basics albums after the bombasm of "Destroyer". At the same time, you can hear that they learned something and the material is more dynamic than their early stuff. "Rock'n'roll over" is very downstripped guitar-bass-drums and dry but the songs are mostly excellent.

"Love Gun" meanwhile has a somewhat bigger production (actually, it's Kiss best.-sounding album IMO) and is really entertaining and fun but there are about 2-3 fillers including a godawful cover of The Crystals "And then he kissed me" and a song called "Tomorrow and tonight" that REALLY sound like a precursor to Warrant or Poison.

Overall though, I'd say "Love Gun" is their best studio-album.

  

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johnbook
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9. "There are some good moments, but I tend to agree"
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A wealth of hits. ALIVE is great, I'm a lifelong fan of Destroyer, love the first album as well, and then it's scattered. LOVE GUN had always been iffy for me, but maybe time to revisit. Then there are the four solo albums, and I will say that I always battle between Ace's and Gene's. I know Ace's album will always be the champion, and as a kid I wanted to be Ace too but Gene has always had that bit of cheesiness and... would "schmaltz" be the right word? I mean, you have him singing a Jiminy Cricket song on the album, and to me that makes it so campy and so... Gene. Plus, you have Cher, Donna Summer, and Katey Sagal on the album, which didn't sound like him *at the time* but was very much him.

I actually like the song "I'll Fight Hell To Hold You" on CRAZY NIGHTS, which I believe was the only 80's album I ever bought by them.

I did see Kiss once and only ones, and that was when Anthrax opened up for them. Anthrax were still on their PERSISTENCE OF TIME tour so that would have been... (looking to be sure) 1990 or so. A year later I saw Anthrax again on the Clash Of The Titans tour but... another topic, another time.





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7. "i love the way the song cuts off in"
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...LOL

better I Want You

Marvin
Kiss
Beatles
Badu

there've gotta be a dozen across the various genres.

fuck you.

  

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Fri May-04-12 11:28 AM

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10. "the best -- imho. n/m"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq6btEkprDQ

peace.

one.

  

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8. "I know you were, but didn't state it in the subject line so..."
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...you assumed "oh, it's OKP, everyone will know I'm talking about Marvin Gaye."

Now post about your love of the song "Happy" and see what happens.


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Fri May-04-12 01:09 AM

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4. "a few reasons "
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he was ground breaking serious with Whats going on

then trouble man and the 1-2 punch a R&B Jazz based project and he was getting away from the Pretty Boy Ladies man singles act route he had during the 60's on Motown.

so then you go to Lets get it on which was metaphors and heavy on sexuality and yet a cry to the Lord for salvation and making sense of all things going on.

in between that he did a couple of duet albums with Diana Ross.

so fast forward to i want you which was Leon Ware's album, however Berry Gordy wanted Marvin Gaye to have that and also Gaye didn't hardly write much on that album which the irony of Irony

and one of his biggest issues with being a Motown artist was creative control etc...

also I want you was a very Black sounding album and not saying Marvin ever sounded more Pop than normal, however I want you had a darker and more in the Hood feel and tone, lets get it on and before that those other Projects had a clear cut lead off single and accessible vibe, not so much with I want you because it was a concept album which wasn't what I call an album for the Mainstream radio,etc..

I wanna be where you are and since I had you are my cuts and I want them to never end for real for real and I love my extended remastered disc of I want you.

love the instrumentals and what have you.


he turned critics off by basically down playing his own songwriting and also I want you works strongly as a Album on a whole, however I wouldn't say any of the songs when compared to Whats going on, Lets get it on, are in that neighbordhood to Pop radio and I know the concept of I want you turned some of those critics off.


I want you is a classic album to me though and I love it, however i get how this one might have not moved some of them.

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SoWhat
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Fri May-04-12 10:36 AM

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6. "now i want to hear 'Since I Had You' & 'Come Live With Me'"
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and i agree about 'After the Dance'.

this is my favorite Marvin album lately.

fuck you.

  

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