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as much as I do the 'there's nobody close' part of your argument
>And most of them I can readily admit that it's just because
>I'm a big fan of the dude; a dilla stan, if you will. If
>someone fronts and says "Premier has more classic material" or
>"RZA had a better run" or "there would be no dilla without
>PETE", I usually agree and just end up admitting that I prefer
>his work and that it's all taste at that point (who really IS
>the best producer, after all?).
>
nothing wrong with that at all
they're all pretty much on par with one another overall but they do things that the others can't quite do
that's the beauty of it
>But god damn, sometimes I gotta take a stand for him when I'm
>damn certain of being right. Dilla took hip hop drums to a new
>level that most idiots can't even resist snatching off his
>beat tapes. Even Kanye West admitted to saying he begged dilla
>for a whole tape of just DRUMS (what a lazy bitch right?).
>
he did it to Em, too, but yeah he's never been much of a workhorse
>I honestly just don't see any hip hop producer in history that
>fucks with his kits. Premier's kit might be the best overall
>boom bap drums, but it sorta becomes played out after the
>upteenth time hearing them. Same goes for 9th. Now Pete,
>someone who I admire as much as dilla, had some drums that I
>don't think really aged well. Maybe it's the SP1200, but
>what's with his overuse of that hi hat on Main Ingredient that
>sounded like someone was turning a sink faucet on and off? And
>madlib might be in the conversation if he actually used drums
>for his beats.
>
that's the 'World Is Yours' hat that he used on a lot of stuff back then
that's a good way of putting it tho as far as the description
honestly tho I tend to look at him not as much as an originator, but more as an innovator
he didn't really do anything we'd never heard before as much as he added his spin to it and made it his
most of the drum stuff he was doing, and gets credit for, was done by other producers before he got around to it (most notably Pete and Tip)
>The only producer who took drums as seriously as Dilla was
>timbo, and the equipment he had was orders of magnitude more
>expensive than anything dilla had access to.
>
I don't know about 'as seriously,' but Timbaland is pretty much the epitome of a 'studio producer'
what I mean is that if you take away any one of his tools he has in the stu, he's pretty much fucked
whereas Dilla is the kind of guy that all he needs is records and the MPC
>Now, as you said, there are some... missteps in Dilla's drum
>experimentation, and some can end up being pretty god damn
>annoying (see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTS7m7-NvMA),
>but that's the cost of being experimental and progressive, I
>suppose.
>
awww man I hate that fucking beat, but I agree with you
anyone on that Wallychamp/Jeffy shit talking about he never made wack beats is REALLY on the extreme specturum of Dilla Dumbassery
part of evolving is going through working things out and making wack shit, that should be a given really
>What impresses me most about Dilla was how many kits he
>assembled, used and abandoned before anyone even noticed. He
>went from dope, cracking snares like:
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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TRzd0xgSQk
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>To straight perfectly EQ'd sound-dope-over-anything kits:
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci75IsmtuMY
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>To that raw, back to chopping breaks again:
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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odfr4xxczSM
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he almost always took it there with the drum thing, even when he was doing the basic kick-snare-kick-snare type of pattern
he started with the drums and built the beat around that, so the drums have to be right off the dick
>I'll concede all other arguments about the man. But his drums?
>The best, hands down.
I don't agree only because I have like three or four people holding down that first slot, with him being one of them
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