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"You guys know we are in another golden era of hip-hop, right?"
Mon Apr-30-12 08:00 AM by BigReg

  

          

Like, yeah, 'It never left'...but the years everybody clamors for are pretty much back in swing.

As much flack as they get as they get, a sizable number of the biggest pop stars in the world are genuine MC's rapping at a relatively high level; Wayne, Kanye, Drake, Jay-Z.

DefJux has basically reformed into a new generation with El-P, Danny Brown, Ezquire, Despot, Das Racist and now Killer Mike all popping up on each others releases.

Golden era MC's are dropping some of their best in decades (Cuban Linx 2, who wouldda thought it?), which looks like it's going to be capped off Nas's best LP in a long time. Even 50 dug deep into the Vitamin Water vault and came out with a solid mixtape late last year.

West Coast is making buzz off the back of Black Hippy. Down South continues its dominance but in much more democratic ways; you've got Rick Ross making NYC street records and NYC traditionalist rappers making great guest appearances on southern tracks.

And most important the mixtape releases have been *FANTASTIC*...it's hard to get a reading because in this age we are consistently bombarded with new music but think back on the amount of solid mixtapes you heard in the past year, its astounding. Back in the days you could keep a pretty solid pulse of what's new and great, but it's gotten to the point where tons of good music are slipping through the cracks...there is simply not enough time in the day.

  

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no, i didn't know.
Apr 30th 2012
1
rapping at a relatively high level = relative to what???
Apr 30th 2012
2
Ha, you like how I threw in 'relatively'
Apr 30th 2012
6
say what u want about the rhyming, but the beats r better then ever
Apr 30th 2012
41
      got any examples?? or are you joking lol
Apr 30th 2012
42
      RE: say what u want about the rhyming, but the beats r better then ever
May 02nd 2012
81
I'm tempted, very tempted to agree...
Apr 30th 2012
3
I would be mad if the sound fidelity suffered.
Apr 30th 2012
7
yup. It's really really obvious too, once you get past the
Apr 30th 2012
4
You are 100% right!!!
Apr 30th 2012
5
Don't you think NY has to be MORE relevant?
Apr 30th 2012
8
does it have to be a golden era to the people who were
Apr 30th 2012
10
for the people who were around for the original golden era
Apr 30th 2012
12
There are MC's keeping that flame alive though
Apr 30th 2012
11
but wouldn't you just go to the golden era jawns
Apr 30th 2012
13
      It's a hard comparison because you are talking classics
Apr 30th 2012
14
i want to remove the word relevant from all music discussion
Apr 30th 2012
17
RE:1) new york has a very good movement going on right now
Apr 30th 2012
19
huh?
Apr 30th 2012
24
      quality
Apr 30th 2012
26
           Funny enough, I don't think neither are classics
Apr 30th 2012
29
           RE: quality
Apr 30th 2012
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THANK YOU SISTER! Goddamn what is this guy talking about?
May 01st 2012
55
nope.
Apr 30th 2012
22
hell yeah. but its a different type of golden era
Apr 30th 2012
9
^^^^
Apr 30th 2012
15
yep.
Apr 30th 2012
16
definitely makes sense
Apr 30th 2012
18
nice
Apr 30th 2012
20
what the hell kinda musicology shit is this?
Apr 30th 2012
21
i can get to that.
Apr 30th 2012
27
I disagree on the cultural component though
Apr 30th 2012
28
14 k gold maybe.
Apr 30th 2012
23
I would call this the Silver Age.... n/m
Apr 30th 2012
25
the proving ground to any of your claims will be the future.
Apr 30th 2012
30
yeah, but fragmentation is a problem
Apr 30th 2012
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I don't know if fragmentation is a problem.
Apr 30th 2012
35
      i can agree with that
Apr 30th 2012
36
What is the golden era?
Apr 30th 2012
32
88-92?
Apr 30th 2012
33
Id move the goalpost to 95
Apr 30th 2012
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      hell, i'd say to 96
Apr 30th 2012
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           Too far.
May 02nd 2012
86
Honestly, I'd say 86/87 - 92/93, with the prime years being 88-92.
May 01st 2012
67
i like meek mill
Apr 30th 2012
39
and you fail to mention Mello Music (Oddisee, Has-Lo, Apollo Brown)
Apr 30th 2012
40
yes, but it would take 20 MMG's to = a golden era
Apr 30th 2012
43
RE: You guys know we are in another golden era of hip-hop, right?
Apr 30th 2012
44
It's over, G.
Apr 30th 2012
45
Why can't it be a golden era for another generation?
Apr 30th 2012
47
It's 9:30 PM CST 4/30/2012
Apr 30th 2012
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RE: Why can't it be a golden era for another generation?
May 01st 2012
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RE: It's over, G.
May 01st 2012
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      EXACTLY. The music is GOOD. All that other stuff we can debate
May 01st 2012
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      RE: It's over, G.
May 01st 2012
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           RE: It's over, G.
May 01st 2012
68
RE: You guys know we are in another golden era of hip-hop, right?
Apr 30th 2012
46
Jay when he's on I'll give you but neither Kaney or Drake rap at a high ...
Apr 30th 2012
49
YES WE ARE & We've moved passed needing the classic LP
Apr 30th 2012
50
Boxing's Heavyweight division is also going through it's classic era.
May 01st 2012
52
R&B now is just as good as it was in the 60's and 70's.
May 01st 2012
53
We're approaching one, not quite in it.
May 01st 2012
56
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
May 02nd 2012
87
I support the sentiment, but this is like calling grunge or punk
May 01st 2012
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Id argue tha there can be only one 'Golden' era
May 01st 2012
58
      its just an interesting, good to great era
May 01st 2012
59
           The Golden Age title was a bit on the hyperbole side
May 01st 2012
61
                what would you say are the best mixtapes so far this year?
May 01st 2012
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                     http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=26794...
May 01st 2012
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                     Hell No this isn't another golden era...
May 01st 2012
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i agree but it's a strange golden era...i mean...most of best shit
May 01st 2012
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RE: i agree but it's a strange golden era...i mean...most of best shit
May 02nd 2012
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I disagree
May 01st 2012
69
people love to pretend wack shit never came out decades ago
May 01st 2012
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says who?
May 02nd 2012
83
i wouLd't call this shit goLden, but there's some cooL shit going down
May 01st 2012
71
What's up with the over the top comparisons. just say it's good.
May 01st 2012
72
Some people have more of a vested interest in...
May 02nd 2012
74
i always considered it golden...
May 02nd 2012
75
Ehhh
May 02nd 2012
77
face it, its been one long golden era since 78
May 02nd 2012
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RE: face it, its been one long golden era since 78
May 02nd 2012
78
You know its the golden era when....
May 02nd 2012
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so who will be the legends/greats of this new golden era?
May 02nd 2012
80
RE: so who will be the legends/greats of this new golden era?
May 02nd 2012
82
Kanye is just a 90s cat who got popular early 00's
May 02nd 2012
84
      Ditto for Lil Wayne.
May 02nd 2012
85

mathmagic
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1. "no, i didn't know. "
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Jordan!

  

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2. "rapping at a relatively high level = relative to what???"
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...lol, even if you think the rappity-rapping is acceptable, how do you explain these beats

  

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6. "Ha, you like how I threw in 'relatively'"
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Mon Apr-30-12 08:13 AM by BigReg

  

          

>...lol, even if you think the rappity-rapping is acceptable,
>how do you explain these beats

Even though Wayne has lost a step or two and Jay-Z more like five from their hey-days, it's not as if they aren't trying to spit and that they still don't drop pretty solid verses. I don't want to be like, THEY ARE DOING AWESOME, because critically they def. are on the decline. However, it's pretty fascinating how some of the best mc's in the game are also some of the biggest selling on the mainstream side.

Id argue the beats are doing pretty well also, it's just you have to find them in two extremes. Just like everything else in the world now there is no middle class(lol); innovative sample usage is either going to be in the megablockbuster mainstream releases a la Kanye/Jay-Z, or underground mixtapes where they don't pay royalties. Id argue that in the later there's been a renaissance; there's been some fantastic beats from no name/upcoming producers.

  

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41. "say what u want about the rhyming, but the beats r better then ever"
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Unquestionably. What I don't like is that most of this shit is done using software now- but the beats never been tighter

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42. "got any examples?? or are you joking lol"
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81. "RE: say what u want about the rhyming, but the beats r better then ever"
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ok challenge...

what beat, today can TKO this

http://youtu.be/h0BlEvE8dG4?

  

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3. "I'm tempted, very tempted to agree... "
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it's hard to call it something like that the way the music has been balkanized. But I will say (as I said in a previous post) since 2009, releases have gotten way better and more sophisticated. and at long last, cats on keyboards are starting to make shit that's listenable.

whatever your flavor, you can/should be able to find something to listen to. and the strangest thing is that cats who are usually out for bullshit to remain "relevant" are shirking that "obligation" and making projects truer to themselves. Raekwon made 2 albums that eclipse everything else he's released since 1995. Raekwon? dude who blew his spotlight with Immobilarity?

even for me, the dude who only stops by every now and then, have been pleased by a lot of what I hear. Still somewhat bummed that we have to still go to mixtapes for the "real deal" (that's one trend I really thought sucked about the past decade).

  

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7. "I would be mad if the sound fidelity suffered."
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>even for me, the dude who only stops by every now and then,
>have been pleased by a lot of what I hear. Still somewhat
>bummed that we have to still go to mixtapes for the "real
>deal" (that's one trend I really thought sucked about the past
>decade).

But so many are properly mastered/mixed with all original content where it's just called mixtape's just for legal reasons. Like I broke out the 'We Got It For Cheaps' a few weeks ago and it's surprising how shitty they sounds...it would never pass in 2012.

  

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4. "yup. It's really really obvious too, once you get past the"
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boombap bellyaching

The music is growing

  

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5. "You are 100% right!!!"
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Now, could you name some of the best rap albums/mixtapes this year....I mean I already know what they are... but like... I just wanna check to see if you're up on it.

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https://www.instagram.com/thereal_anwarmorse99/

  

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8. "Don't you think NY has to be MORE relevant?"
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w/r/t the golden era

your post made me think of a recent exchange

a friend asked me for some new music

and I immediately went to KRIT

he wasn't feeling it

at all

and I know the type of music he's looking for

but damn if it just doesn't exist anymore

I can keep an open mind

and rock with Kendrick, Cunninlynguists, etc...

but most of the heads I know

that were big on music during the golden era

still rock with those albums

because

well

there hasn't really been anything better

not these emo MCs

not these rappity rap cats

maybe it's different in other areas of the country

but here

in the NE

we're stuck waiting for cats on the downside of their careers








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10. "does it have to be a golden era to the people who were"
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around for the original golden era to be a golden era?

Bandcamp/IG/FB/Twitter: @hecticzeniths

  

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12. "for the people who were around for the original golden era"
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there really isn't a comparison

for someone like myself

it's not hard to find good hip-hop

but for people who aren't music geeks

the shit they're gettin fed

isn't even good

IMO

in the golden era

it was classic after classic after classic

even the commercial albums

now

not so many

again

IMO





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11. "There are MC's keeping that flame alive though"
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Still releasing albums. Someone like Jadakiss continually releases albums that sell much better then they should (lol) along with outright 90's tribute acts like Action Bronson. It's going to be difficult for someone like that to get into Krit...but something like Ezquire's right up that 90's grimey alley or Kendrik's Rigamortis if your more of a Rawkus boom bap dude.

>w/r/t the golden era
>
>your post made me think of a recent exchange
>
>a friend asked me for some new music
>
>and I immediately went to KRIT
>
>he wasn't feeling it
>
>at all
>
>and I know the type of music he's looking for
>
>but damn if it just doesn't exist anymore
>
>I can keep an open mind
>
>and rock with Kendrick, Cunninlynguists, etc...
>
>but most of the heads I know
>
>that were big on music during the golden era
>
>still rock with those albums
>
>because
>
>well
>
>there hasn't really been anything better
>
>not these emo MCs
>
>not these rappity rap cats
>
>maybe it's different in other areas of the country
>
>but here
>
>in the NE
>
>we're stuck waiting for cats on the downside of their careers

  

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13. "but wouldn't you just go to the golden era jawns"
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compared to what you just listed

specifically

i'm converting some of my vinyl

and one of the albums i just did was Low End Theory

personally

i'm going to that album before 99.9% of the albums coming out today

and you referenced Cuban Linx 2

not really much of a comparison to OB4CL

IMO

i'm going with the purple tape evertime




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14. "It's a hard comparison because you are talking classics"
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Mon Apr-30-12 10:39 AM by BigReg

  

          

It's like saying Radiohead's In Rainbows doesn't compare to Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. Those albums are classic for a reason; your always going to prefer them. But it's not like you take a look at Cuban Linx 2 and say it's a total piece of trash; it's a great record in its own right. Classics get forged through time, influence and *nostalgia* something that new records don't have 'yet'.


  

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17. "i want to remove the word relevant from all music discussion "
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i swear it's the most useless word in music.

that being said
1) new york has a very good movement going on right now
2) hip hop has been world wide for a long ass time it no longer revolves around new york's trends

www.royallegacy.org
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19. "RE:1) new york has a very good movement going on right now"
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which translates to me

i can name a bunch of NY MCs that you never heard of

which is what i'm saying

relevant is your trigger word

how about visible, present, prevelant, etc...

outside of Jay and/or Nas

i wouldn't expect most people to be able to identify whom you are referring to

"2) hip hop has been world wide for a long ass time it no longer revolves around new york's trends"

revolve and represented

2 different things






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24. "huh?"
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nicki isn't one of the biggest entertainers on the planet?
french montana isn't on every single remix?
ASAP rocky didn't perform at coachella?

  

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26. "quality"
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Mon Apr-30-12 10:42 AM by bentagain

  

          

the golden era acts

that were at the forefront

were also the best

and the material they put out was quality (classic)

the biggest difference between today and the golden era

is the quality isn't proportionate to the recognition

French Montana...for real?

Nicki is nails on a chalkboard at this point

Asap Rocky...not feeling that either

i'm not going to list all of the classic albums from the golden era

but how many have there been in this era

section 80

return of 4eva

that's the list, IMO











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29. "Funny enough, I don't think neither are classics"
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>section 80
>
>return of 4eva
>
>that's the list, IMO

But like it's been pointed out, having NYC rule at the top was bad for business in the 90's...it being segmented now is a good thing.

  

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37. "RE: quality"
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>i'm not going to list all of the classic albums from the
>golden era
>
>but how many have there been in this era

Who knows? A classic's a classic because it's stood up for years and people still love it. I mean I'd say My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy was a classic, a huge commercial success and one of the most critically lauded rap albums ever, but you can just say, "I'm not feeling it." So, we'll see. I can't really get into 3 Feet High and Rising, but that doesn't mean it's not a classic.

  

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55. "THANK YOU SISTER! Goddamn what is this guy talking about?"
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>2) hip hop has been world wide for a long ass time it no
>longer revolves around new york's trends

Dude talkin like it ain't no golden era if it ain't catering to NY folk.
The first golden era wasn't catering to the south. Man dude talking like
NY is a 1st world state and the rest of us is 3rd world. FOH with this
old bullshit man.

  

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22. "nope. "
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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9. "hell yeah. but its a different type of golden era"
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its a golden era for open minded music-heads who also love rap in an information age where infinite amounts of music are available immediately

not a golden era unified by 2-3 styles and sounds with any cultural component to it

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15. "^^^^"
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>its a golden era for open minded music-heads who also love
>rap in an information age where infinite amounts of music are
>available immediately

  

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16. "yep."
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www.royallegacy.org
http://therapfest.com/up-next-artists/

  

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18. "definitely makes sense"
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20. "nice"
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21. "what the hell kinda musicology shit is this?"
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speak english or @ LEAST ebonics

i dunno what anything u said even means

  

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27. "i can get to that."
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Jordan!

  

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28. "I disagree on the cultural component though"
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It's there..id argue mainstream rap is down to 3 major trends. But since there isn't one specific mecca or trend to follow I think it forces artists to step out of the box and constantly shift lanes.

You've got Clams Casino producing for Mac Miller and NYC heir apparent ASAP. You've got Frank Ocean hanging with bratty Skateboarders in Odd Future, but popping up in Watch the Throne. And you've got Wayne who's pretty much worked with everybody across the board.

In your example you make it seem it's access and our broader minded tastes because of all the bombardment; id argue that both those have been in place for a few years now. However, leaving the 00's and going into the next decade id argue alot of cats across the board have stepped up their game.

  

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23. "14 k gold maybe."
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25. "I would call this the Silver Age.... n/m"
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30. "the proving ground to any of your claims will be the future."
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just out of curiousity, how is stuff from 2008/2009 holding up in the hearts & minds of the people?

  

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31. "yeah, but fragmentation is a problem"
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its hard to call it "golden" when so many specific lanes only cater to a narrow group of people.

for me personally i am feeling the descendants of madlib...cats like knxwledge, ohbliv, mndsgn, dibiase, culprit, etc... i think there is some real prgression going on with sample based beat shit. and a mini golden era within that lane is happening, imo.

but, i've fallen out of touch with other lanes (not necessarily on purpose), like the flying lotus style electro shit. i just don't know where to find new stuff in that lane, and grew a little tired of it, and so those artists are not on my radar...

and then there's regional differences. the dudes i named above don't tour in DC much, and i've discussed them with some of my homies and cats never heard of them. kev brown and low budget crew are much more prevalent in DC than those (mostly) west coast cats. we're likely to get a blu, j davey, georgia anne tour come to DC, but very unlikely to get a knxwledge or dibiase show come through.

people are on different pages

but i agree with the general premise that artists of the newer generation who grew up in a DIY world and instant communication are not bound to traditional conventions of having/wanting to sound like the next man in order to be heard. DIY has brought a lot of innovation to production in general, with a lot of new or diverging lanes being opened...but the old golden era had this ballooning effect that i think is missing from the new crop of styles...but if you are up on the styles, i could see making a claim for this being a new golden era

  

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35. "I don't know if fragmentation is a problem."
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Like, lets look at the last rock 'golden era' of the early 90's. While it gets slapped with the grunge label the reality of the situation is you had VASTLY different bands all making waves at the same time; R.E.M. versus Nine Inch Nails versus Soundgarden.

It's a problem with the perception of the audience...not necessarily with the popularity of the artists.


>its hard to call it "golden" when so many specific lanes only
>cater to a narrow group of people.
>
>for me personally i am feeling the descendants of
>madlib...cats like knxwledge, ohbliv, mndsgn, dibiase,
>culprit, etc... i think there is some real prgression going on
>with sample based beat shit. and a mini golden era within
>that lane is happening, imo.
>
>but, i've fallen out of touch with other lanes (not
>necessarily on purpose), like the flying lotus style electro
>shit. i just don't know where to find new stuff in that lane,
>and grew a little tired of it, and so those artists are not on
>my radar...
>
>and then there's regional differences. the dudes i named above
>don't tour in DC much, and i've discussed them with some of my
>homies and cats never heard of them. kev brown and low budget
>crew are much more prevalent in DC than those (mostly) west
>coast cats. we're likely to get a blu, j davey, georgia anne
>tour come to DC, but very unlikely to get a knxwledge or
>dibiase show come through.
>
>people are on different pages
>
>but i agree with the general premise that artists of the newer
>generation who grew up in a DIY world and instant
>communication are not bound to traditional conventions of
>having/wanting to sound like the next man in order to be
>heard. DIY has brought a lot of innovation to production in
>general, with a lot of new or diverging lanes being
>opened...but the old golden era had this ballooning effect
>that i think is missing from the new crop of styles...but if
>you are up on the styles, i could see making a claim for this
>being a new golden era

  

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36. "i can agree with that"
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definitely speaking from a fans perspective on this one...

the 80's/early 90's golden era had a more alive and electric feeling because it was more centralized and seemed like a shared experience with people i hung out with...that's all i am saying.

but to the individual artists, yeah it really doesn't matter...
i can tell by following twitter that a lot of dudes are building strong fanbases regardless of how non-universal their music is.

  

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32. "What is the golden era?"
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Some people have said the golden era was in the late 80's but from some of the comments it sounds like a few people think of the early to mid 90's as the golden era.

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33. "88-92?"
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give or take 2 or 3 years on each side.

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34. "Id move the goalpost to 95"
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Id start with Follow the Leader though, so 88 is a good start.

>give or take 2 or 3 years on each side.

  

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38. "hell, i'd say to 96"
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Jordan!

  

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86. "Too far."
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67. "Honestly, I'd say 86/87 - 92/93, with the prime years being 88-92."
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>Some people have said the golden era was in the late 80's but
>from some of the comments it sounds like a few people think of
>the early to mid 90's as the golden era.

86/87, were budding years for the Hip Hop Golden Age era. By the time '88 stepped on the scene, The Hip Hop Golden Age era was in full bloom.

93 - 96/97, were waning years for Golden Age era. The further you get away from 92/93, the weaker the music became.

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39. "i like meek mill"
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semantics softer than couples at wedding alters
this cops and robbers
and u cant hold a candle
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40. "and you fail to mention Mello Music (Oddisee, Has-Lo, Apollo Brown)"
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in this post?

those dudes are putting out better "hiphop" than anyone right now

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43. "yes, but it would take 20 MMG's to = a golden era"
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44. "RE: You guys know we are in another golden era of hip-hop, right?"
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I agree...been saying that the 20 year gap is upon us.....and its proving to be right




>Like, yeah, 'It never left'...but the years everybody clamors
>for are pretty much back in swing.
>
>As much flack as they get as they get, a sizable number of the
>biggest pop stars in the world are genuine MC's rapping at a
>relatively high level; Wayne, Kanye, Drake, Jay-Z.
>
>DefJux has basically reformed into a new generation with El-P,
>Danny Brown, Ezquire, Despot, Das Racist and now Killer Mike
>all popping up on each others releases.
>
>Golden era MC's are dropping some of their best in decades
>(Cuban Linx 2, who wouldda thought it?), which looks like it's
>going to be capped off Nas's best LP in a long time. Even 50
>dug deep into the Vitamin Water vault and came out with a
>solid mixtape late last year.
>
>West Coast is making buzz off the back of Black Hippy. Down
>South continues its dominance but in much more democratic
>ways; you've got Rick Ross making NYC street records and NYC
>traditionalist rappers making great guest appearances on
>southern tracks.
>
>And most important the mixtape releases have been
>*FANTASTIC*...it's hard to get a reading because in this age
>we are consistently bombarded with new music but think back on
>the amount of solid mixtapes you heard in the past year, its
>astounding. Back in the days you could keep a pretty solid
>pulse of what's new and great, but it's gotten to the point
>where tons of good music are slipping through the
>cracks...there is simply not enough time in the day.
>

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45. "It's over, G."
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It doesn't matter how many rappers you like right now or who is "spittin" right now (there's always somebody "spittin")...The Golden Era was a moment in time...it was an almost tangible feeling...the excitement, the art, the the feeling of being apart of a larger a;most familial community, the wonderment, the innocence, the purity...it was electric.

It cant and wont be duplicated.

I'm not tryna shit on the legitimately skilled rappers you like...The Golden Era was that first high that you keep hittin the pipe in search for...its the virginity you cant get back...as long as there's hip-hop, its fans and artists will aspire to the cultural explosion and subsequent euphoria of The Golden Age...

and yes...you had to be there. If you WERE there and you claim that any other era was the same or equivalent, you're not being truthful with yourself and that's your bag....

were there other great eras of hip-hop? absolutely. will there be other great eras of hip-hop? God willing. but The Golden Age was a perfect storm that cant be replicated.

This aint no Golden Era.

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47. "Why can't it be a golden era for another generation?"
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Or do we have to call it the platinum era or some shit.

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48. "It's 9:30 PM CST 4/30/2012"
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^^That will never happen again.^^

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51. "RE: Why can't it be a golden era for another generation?"
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>Or do we have to call it the platinum era or some shit.

More like The Tin, Tungsten & Tantalum Era

  

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54. "RE: It's over, G."
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I think this era and the upcoming years will be remembered in much the same way that you remember the original golden age. Remember its not just about you its about the music and the music is there. It isn't the same as back then but it by no means should be. As long as the music is dope all that other stuff like felling connected to the culture etc. will be there. It won't be like that for you but the fact remains that meaningful musicianship has returned to rap.

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60. "EXACTLY. The music is GOOD. All that other stuff we can debate"
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"The Golden Era was a moment in time...it was an almost tangible feeling...the excitement, the art, the the feeling of being apart of a larger almost familial community, the wonderment, the innocence, the purity...it was electric." - Scorp

You had this in the early 80's, in an arguably more pure form. You had art created along a vast amount of genres that still considered itself hip-hop, you had a distinct culture/style...etc before hip-hop became mainstream and had label involvement.* It was NYC centered so the movement wasn't as world wide as it was in the 90's, but so was what we consider the 'Golden Era'. I will say the actual MUSIC was still gestating and finding it's form so those songs/albums do not stand well currently (but even then we can argue that with the whole 80's sound revival...great music was being made but with singles, not albums).

As far as the 'Golden era' is concerned I was there, and it was great. But I also recognize that at that time of my life (teens/early 20's) it was probably going to be great anyway and not to be 'that guy' it's seems to be the age that most of the hardened golden age defenders seem to be too wrapped up in nostalgia to look at it objectively (which is why this post is peppered with THIS ERA SUCKS as if im bismirching the golden era as opposed to simple disagreement)

Now, I can't make the argument that in 2012 you have the same sense of community, but I would say that with technology the sense of collaboration & the sheer amount of quality product across all different kinds of hip hop...something is happening. If you want to get your no-limit 90's on, you can...if you want your NYC grimey shit you can, if you want to get Lil B silly you can, if you want to get pop extremitism Kanye's always a rant & an album away. And most importantly they are COLLABORATING as much as they have in the past imho because of technology. They are all exposed to each other, and if the want to a guest feature is only a drop box away. You have Kanye's coming out with a Chief Keef remix, Lil B is stinking up Lil Wayne songs. Strict regionalism is dying with NYC cats sounding like Southern dudes and Killer Mike spitting fire & brimstone on El-P tracks. The sense of community *MIGHT* not be there, but I don't know about the electricity & the music...it's close enough that you can't easily disregard what's happening in the genre.


*although, one could argue that the major label presense in the early 90's was bedlam since they still had no real control/knew what to do with the artform. It was more like a kid living away from home with his parents credit card then any sort of corporate totalitarianism.

  

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62. "RE: It's over, G."
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You completely missed the point. It's not about me, my tastes or you and yours...

It's natural for hip-hop fans to cheerlead for whatever is happenin at the moment...and the phrase "hip hop is better than ever" has be thrown out every year SINCE the Golden Era...you can say it to yrself all you want, don't make it true...

Again, I'm not sayin that the music of the Golden Era is better that what's out now (that would be an opinion) or that nothing that has been released since matches up to the music of the Golden Era (that would be inaccurate)

The Golden Era was more than just the quality of
music released in that time period, it was about everything surrounding the music as well, both within and beyond the hip-hop community. Ground was broken that can be "re-broken", if you will.
The cultural impact of Public Enemy can't be replicated, it been done. Pandora is out of the box. Yo! MTV Raps signifying a major seismic shift in American culture can't happen again.

This aint another Golden era. Cats were sayin that a year ago, and the year before that, and the year before that.

The Achilles Heel of Hip Hop is the paralyzing inability of its fans to assess it objectively. The blind worship of anything leads to its downfall as we can plainly see. So to pretend that Hip Hop is at some kind of all time high is both fallacious and fanciful.

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68. "RE: It's over, G."
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No I understood fully. You are still judging to era by what you think is significant there's always some event going on while the music is happening I'm just saying that you have it backwards the moment doesn't make the music significant the music makes the moment significant. Any thing seems significant when you are caught up in the music and there there are kids that will look back with reverence on the day the first black president was elected and they will revere the music they were listening to when it happened and they will talk about how no other era will ever be the same.

music makes moments special right now music is making this moment special.

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46. "RE: You guys know we are in another golden era of hip-hop, right?"
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2007 was amazing

2008 was mehh

2009 was very good

2010 was amazing

2011 might be the best of the bunch

2012 has been slow so far but a lot of HUGE releases coming.

I'd have to agree.

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49. "Jay when he's on I'll give you but neither Kaney or Drake rap at a high ..."
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by no fucking standard that matters

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50. "YES WE ARE & We've moved passed needing the classic LP"
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for legitimacy or to speak of standards/expectations.

  

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52. "Boxing's Heavyweight division is also going through it's classic era."
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The bullshit people say around here.

  

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53. "R&B now is just as good as it was in the 60's and 70's."
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It is

  

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56. "We're approaching one, not quite in it."
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And the revival will mostly be absent in the mainstream and be an underground thing. Won't be televised lol.

It will actually be better than the golden era to me in the sense that people from the South can actually participate this time on a wider scale.

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87. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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57. "I support the sentiment, but this is like calling grunge or punk"
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the second golden era of Rock n' Roll. The difference being both of those are divergent enough from the true golden era, whihc is why no one would make such a statement. Nobody would compare them at all. But you kinda have to because what you're putting forward remains in the shadow of.

Still I support the notion that shit is really good right now. That much is clear. Now let's just move *forward* shall we.
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58. "Id argue tha there can be only one 'Golden' era "
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However to there is def. an idenfiable shift in the culture as far as quality/quantity/experimentation that wasn't there five years ago, with many exciting things down the pipeline. Someone said the 'Silver Age' above, and I would agree.

  

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59. "its just an interesting, good to great era"
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but i cant keep up with everything. and i dont think its that its all 'good music', its more than production has caught up so it can all sound of a high quality. high quality sonics do not mean = high quality music. always trying to mark each new period as a golden age is silly and makes it hard for anyone not to be cynical.

  

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61. "The Golden Age title was a bit on the hyperbole side"
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But I figure

1)It would catch attention

2)I don't know if it's too far off.

Time will tell, but we are inundated with music and a lot of it is clearly DOPE. There's some shitty mixtapes in the bunch (just like you would have had in the 90's) but the sheer amount of quality is overwhelming. It's def. a renaissance of some sort going on.

As far as marking each era as 'awesome', I think it's the opposite. A rock fan can objectively look at let's say the grunge movement or the NYC/BK '00's and appreciate it even if their steeze is more Joy Division or Cream. This is why those modern tracks sneak into 'classic' radio. The old guard is strictly apathetic toward what's happening; originally it was a defense mechanism to a genre that was losing creative steam at the time. Now it's just misplaced.

  

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63. "what would you say are the best mixtapes so far this year?"
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i like a lot of stuff im hearing, but its just impossible to get through it all. i dont know why rappers feel the need to release so much all the time. its harder to keep track more than ever which is why a lot of people like me at least find it hard to have the perspective they used to.

  

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64. "http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=26794..."
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2679425&mesg_id=2679425&page=2

But I don't listen to mixtapes though.
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65. "Hell No this isn't another golden era..."
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When the golden era was happening no one was saying "This is the golden era"

In 20 years we may look back and say "wow, 2011-12 was something special" but "golden"

Nah brah... enjoy the moment but don't fuck it up by comparing it to something that can't be replicated.

You have to let this era breath for a few years to see if it truly is something special that deserves a label.

  

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66. "i agree but it's a strange golden era...i mean...most of best shit"
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comes for free nowadays...in the last 2 years i've literally only bought 3-4 hip hop albums...lol

  

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73. "RE: i agree but it's a strange golden era...i mean...most of best shit"
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You're missing out on a ton of stuff.

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69. "I disagree "
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There's some good music coming out these days, but there's always been good music coming out. To cite Jay-Z and Nas as being a part of any sort of rap renaissance is absurd.

  

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70. "people love to pretend wack shit never came out decades ago"
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83. "says who? "
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Wack shit comes out every year... but we aren't talking about the wack shit.

Please list the classic material from this new Golden Era.

  

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71. "i wouLd't call this shit goLden, but there's some cooL shit going down"
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i remember how everyeveryeverybody was talking about how dead shit was in 2003-2005, but Looking back, '03-'05 was doper then a motherfucker. but i don't know about '12 being a renaissance of the goLden touch tho

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72. "What's up with the over the top comparisons. just say it's good."
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74. "Some people have more of a vested interest in..."
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believing hip hop is done. To say that the music now belongs to a younger generation. I actually think a significant number of older listeners have kinda opened their mind this past year but the extremists are digging their heels in even more.

  

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75. "i always considered it golden..."
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because even the worst album had at least two or three songs you get down with. in that regard, i would disagree, but then again, i'm an old, crotchety hip hop head.

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77. "Ehhh"
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There are a lot of good artist and nice albums in this era. I'm not sure about calling anything Golden but there is some good music out over past 2-3 years.

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76. "face it, its been one long golden era since 78"
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first golden era was 78 - 83
second was 83 - 87
then it was 87 to 90
then it was 93 to 95
then it was 97 - 99
then we had the golden era of crunk and the south from around 03 - 06
this is just the newest golden age.

raps just been golden since day one.

  

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78. "RE: face it, its been one long golden era since 78"
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Rap has always been "Golden" but Golden Era is a "Time Period"...

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79. "You know its the golden era when...."
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people start to romanticize everything like it was always all good.

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80. "so who will be the legends/greats of this new golden era?"
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i see none.

correction, Kanye will be the only rap artist considered a legend/great that debuted post 2000.

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82. "RE: so who will be the legends/greats of this new golden era?"
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Lil B

  

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84. "Kanye is just a 90s cat who got popular early 00's"
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85. "Ditto for Lil Wayne."
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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