The word *great* is all too often used loosely when we're talking abt artists and the music they create and HipHop ain't exempt. Now, as far as I'm concerned there are only a handful of groups that {w/o question} deserve the title of great and they are as follows...

-Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five
-Sugar Hill Gang
-DMC
-Beastie Boyz
-PE
-NWA
-KAST
-EPMD
-WU-TANG
-TRIBE
-WHODINI
-SALT & PEPPA
-BONE THUGS
-NAUGHTY BY NATURE
-UGK?



and maybe a few others I can't think of at the moment

but

take a group like Goodie Mob and Das EFX, for instance, will they be remembered as two of the GREATEST HipHop bands of all time? I've heard many used that adjective in reference to both. Me, personally, I think both were/are very good groups and were amongst the best HipHop groups of their era

but

are they really on the same level as NWA?

In sports there are great players then there are GREAT PLAYERS. Patrick Ewing by all measures was a great player...but not great in the same sense as Kareem Adul Jabbar.

Roger Craig was a great NFL running back...but he wasn't in the same stratosphere of greatness as Jim Brown or Walter Payton.

So I want to know how does the Lesson categorize HipHop groups vis-a-vis their greatness?
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I'm going to name groups and you tell me who deserves the title of 'great'...and if you think they are/were a great group then make your case for said group.

-Goodie Mob?
-The Roots? (I say they're great but I'm not sure how history will view them)
-The Pharcyde?
-Dela Soul?
-The Fugees?
-The Black Eyes Peas?
-The Geto Boys?
-The Fat Boys?
-The Jungle Brothers?
-Too Live Crew
-Cash Money?
-Das Ex?
-The Fu schnickens?
-Mobb Deep?
-Cypress Hill?
-The Lox?
-Slum Village?
-Little Brother
-Brand Nubian?
-Jurassic Five?
-Digable Planet?
-X-Clan?
-Digital Underground?
-Black Sheep?

grassrootsphilosopher

Goodie Mob
The Roots
Dela Soul
The Fugees
The Geto Boys
Mobb Deep
Cypress Hill
Digable Planet

The rest of them may be or have been very good, but in terms of output and legacy..not all time greats

and I love the Mob but cmon

I was only listing the groups that he had in question

I'm not so sure abt them as being amongst the all time great HipHop groups...

grassrootsphilosopher

You know what, that was my fandom typing. They aren't. I love them though

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Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

that's it from your list

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Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

And mobb deep

>Goodie Mob
>The Roots
>Dela Soul
>The Fugees
>The Geto Boys
>Mobb Deep
>Cypress Hill
>Digable Planet
>
>The rest of them may be or have been very good, but in terms
>of output and legacy..not all time greats


Is this an episode of Punk?

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

See reply 4

umm, how do you miss THEM?

more of a solo rapper just w/a DJ

That's why I didn't name Pete Rock & CL Smooth or Eric B Rakim...

grassrootsphilosopher

>more of a solo rapper just w/a DJ
>
>That's why I didn't name Pete Rock & CL Smooth or Eric B
>Rakim...
i think in normal cases i'd agree, but the group gangstarr was specifically guru and premier, not one or the other. the other examples were apt (even though Rakim did stuff without Eric B later on) because those producers were doing ALL the tracks, whereas most groups and artists, even if they have a MAIN producer, will have several other producers putting in work.

than almost every group with more than 1 rapper outside Outkast Tribe Mobb Deep and Wu" reply

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grassrootsphilosopher

?????

I'd be lying if I said that Dela's legacy and impact exceeds that of Bone...

Bone Thugs were huge and had some huge and memorable records.

sonically, Dela was ALWAYS consistent and Pos has always been one of my all time fav MCs

but

I don't know if they're more deserving of being called 'great' than BTH? maybe its just my personal bias...which is why I asked that yall make an argument for a group you think were great.

grassrootsphilosopher

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Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

grassrootsphilosopher

They sold a ton of records but nobody respects their music.

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Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

history will see them as greats, more than the present has.

Slum Village and Digable Planets

are both all time greats, as far as the music they produced. history won't know then as greats, since they didn't leave much of a "legacy" (or whatever bullshit you guys are coming up with). Limited output from them, but from their best work, only Tribe,Wu and Kast (out of who you had listed) have perhaps made better music.

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>-Goodie Mob? - nope
>-The Roots? - on the fence
>-The Pharcyde? - nope
>-Dela Soul? - of course
>-The Fugees? - nope
>-The Black Eyes Peas? - nope
>-The Geto Boys? - nope
>-The Fat Boys? - nope
>-The Jungle Brothers? - nope
>-Too Live Crew - nope
>-Cash Money? - on the fence (we talking bout the label? or just the Hot Boys)
>-Das Ex? - nope
>-The Fu schnickens? - nope
>-Mobb Deep? - nope.
>-Cypress Hill? - nope
>-The Lox? - nope
>-Slum Village? - nope
>-Little Brother - nope
>-Brand Nubian? - nope
>-Jurassic Five? - nope
>-Digable Planet? - nope
>-X-Clan? - nope
>-Digital Underground? - nope
>-Black Sheep? - nope

whole lot of "very good" on this list.

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