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vee-lover
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"'The True Principles Of HipHop Are Being Forsaken' "


  

          

HipHop always had "conscious rappers" who kept the listeners informed on what's taking place in the communities/societies. Now, seems like that's a bygone era...

who are the conscious rappers nowadays?

What abt storytelling in HipHop? Ghostface, Krs One, Nas, Slick Rick, Big, Common, Cube, Lost Boyz and so on just to name a few who were all excellent stortellers...when's the last time one of your fav mainstream rapper made a record telling a story?


No one tells stories anymore.

Oh, and lastly, the new young lions don't seem to put as much of an emphasis on freestyling anymore which used to be a prerequisite for MCs...

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RE: 'The True Principles Of HipHop Are Being Forsaken'
Apr 17th 2012
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False
Apr 17th 2012
2
ok, name the new breed of MCs who are proving me wrong?
Apr 17th 2012
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1) There are no true principles
Apr 17th 2012
3
well, MCeeing, graffitti, breakdancing, and clothes are the true
Apr 17th 2012
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RE: well, MCeeing, graffitti, breakdancing, and clothes are the true
Apr 17th 2012
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      RE: well, MCeeing, graffitti, breakdancing, and clothes are the true
Apr 17th 2012
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           but lets not rewrite history
Apr 17th 2012
11
^^advising lesson heads to view black thought as suspect
Apr 17th 2012
8
You know I can really tell who's young and old here
Apr 17th 2012
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re: hip hop was not always conscious
Apr 17th 2012
10

Yank
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Tue Apr-17-12 01:21 PM

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1. "RE: 'The True Principles Of HipHop Are Being Forsaken' "
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Isn't it true that Hip-Hop was bigger when we all loved it out?
Look at the difference in raps
See when I'm spittin' the facts
Louder than anyone could rap, the industry collapse
No one's special anymore
Variety is gone for sure

-KRS

Lies run sprints.
Truths run marathons.

  

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2. "False"
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>HipHop always had "conscious rappers"

>No one tells stories anymore.

False

>
>Oh, and lastly, the new young lions don't seem to put as much
>of an emphasis on freestyling anymore

> which used to be a prerequisite for MCs...

False

This is how you people revise history.

  

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vee-lover
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Tue Apr-17-12 02:18 PM

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4. "ok, name the new breed of MCs who are proving me wrong?"
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>>HipHop always had "conscious rappers"
>
>>No one tells stories anymore.
>
>False

ok, who?

>>Oh, and lastly, the new young lions don't seem to put as
>much
>>of an emphasis on freestyling anymore
>
>> which used to be a prerequisite for MCs...
>
>False
>
>This is how you people revise history.

nah this is just me...and you didn't name nary a rapper to prove me wrong.

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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Tue Apr-17-12 01:42 PM

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3. "1) There are no true principles"
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of hip hop or anything really. Be suspect of anyone that says there are.

2) Hip-hop was not always conscious.

3) It's 2012, get over it.
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"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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vee-lover
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5. "well, MCeeing, graffitti, breakdancing, and clothes are the true"
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principles...

and there used to be standards for MCs too...


>of hip hop or anything really. Be suspect of anyone that
>says there are.
>
>2) Hip-hop was not always conscious.
>
>3) It's 2012, get over it.

what does that have to do w/anything? lol
>________
>Big PEMFin H & z's
>█▆▇▅▇█▇▆▄▁▃
>"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am one
>thing, a musician." Miles Davis
>
>"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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6. "RE: well, MCeeing, graffitti, breakdancing, and clothes are the true"
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>principles...
>
>and there used to be standards for MCs too...

CLOTHES is a principle of hip-hop?

Do you even know what "principle" means?

Freestyling was a prerequisite?

Where did you find that stupid ass quote from the original post, did you make that up yourself?

HipHop always had "conscious rappers"?

Why are you concerned about what mainstream acts are doing? How is watching the mainstream in line with the true principles of hip-hop?

  

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vee-lover
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Tue Apr-17-12 05:26 PM

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7. "RE: well, MCeeing, graffitti, breakdancing, and clothes are the true"
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>>principles...
>>
>>and there used to be standards for MCs too...
>
>CLOTHES is a principle of hip-hop?
>
>Do you even know what "principle" means?

no, the question should be: do you know what the word principle means?
>
>Freestyling was a prerequisite?

uh yes, there was a time when MCs dismissed other MCs who said they couldn't freestyle....in the beginning when HipHop was a local NY/Bronx phenomenon, freestyling/ad lib was what the MC did while the DJ was spinning records.
>
>Where did you find that stupid ass quote from the original
>post, did you make that up yourself?

Have you ever heard of this rap group named "The Roots?" Well they had a song entitled "What they do" in which Blk Thought said those words used in the post title. foh
>
>HipHop always had "conscious rappers"?
>
>Why are you concerned about what mainstream acts are doing?
>How is watching the mainstream in line with the true
>principles of hip-hop?

because they have a larger reach in spreading the essence of HipHop...and its not a matter of being concerned w/them but it'd be nice to see the popular HipHop acts continue some of the traditions that past MCs established...and it was Chuck D who 1st said HipHop was the CNN of the ghetto(s)...in addition, the GREATEST HIPHOP RECORD EVER IS A CONSCIOUS RAP RECORD. Ever heard of "The Message?"...its a really good record
>

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Tue Apr-17-12 06:10 PM

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11. "but lets not rewrite history"
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GREATEST HIPHOP RECORD EVER IS A CONSCIOUS RAP
>RECORD. Ever heard of "The Message?"...its a really good
>record

Melle Mel and the rest of the crew did not want to record The Message because they thought it was too serious, they wanted to make "party" records, Flash especially because he had nothing to do with that track, and Mel didn't even write it, Duke Bootee did.

So the greatest hip hop record ever was a label decision not the artists, still a classic though

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philpot
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Tue Apr-17-12 05:44 PM

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8. "^^advising lesson heads to view black thought as suspect"
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Yank
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9. "You know I can really tell who's young and old here"
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shits almost second nature

Lies run sprints.
Truths run marathons.

  

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philpot
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Tue Apr-17-12 06:08 PM

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10. "re: hip hop was not always conscious "
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but it was a direct challenge to established standards of society and art/music

conciously or not (lol)

just bc cats werent rapping like malcolm x doesnt mean it wasnt there

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