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"Within the rap world, has there EVER been a song"


  

          

that became a hit despite how bad (i.e unpopular with the mass) the beat was?

Be it a horrible beat or better yet a boring one, where the mc's skill was so great that ppl were moved anyway?

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Runnin (Dying to Live) - Tupac, B.I.G.?
Apr 16th 2012
1
Hey Ya
Apr 16th 2012
2
Not a rap song, and there wasn't a terrible thing about it.
Apr 16th 2012
7
o_O
Apr 16th 2012
8
That is a horrible example for multiple reasons.
Apr 16th 2012
10
thats a great melody, very danceable.
Apr 17th 2012
24
that wasn't no rap song
Apr 17th 2012
25
      What exactly was rubbish about Hey Ya?
Apr 17th 2012
34
      man... it's like
Apr 17th 2012
49
      aquemini, atliens and southernplayalistic
Apr 17th 2012
38
           RE: aquemini, atliens and southernplayalistic
Apr 17th 2012
43
Ether?
Apr 16th 2012
3
lol. yup
Apr 16th 2012
4
that beat is tuurible
Apr 16th 2012
5
gotta abstain from voting on any nas/mos/com/kweli/dilla songs
Apr 17th 2012
27
yeah, that beat is very 'Eminem'
Apr 17th 2012
28
Worst beat in hip hop history
Apr 17th 2012
40
Most of Eminem's singles?
Apr 16th 2012
6
^^^^^ This was my first thought.
Apr 16th 2012
11
Yup, he mostly gets by on his persona and skills
Apr 16th 2012
12
I'm a huge fan and would say it's serviceable
Apr 16th 2012
18
I like the beat for "Lose Yourself"
Apr 17th 2012
31
my first thought.
Apr 16th 2012
20
I think those beats suit the tracks just fine
Apr 16th 2012
21
I think he meant the beats that Em himself makes
Apr 17th 2012
35
yeah this is the correct answer
Apr 17th 2012
22
sounds right
Apr 17th 2012
26
^^^You are correct sir
Apr 17th 2012
30
Eminem's beat choices <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Nas' beats
Apr 17th 2012
44
ether. various nas songs.
Apr 16th 2012
9
i'll give you ether, what other ones do you have in mind?
Apr 20th 2012
53
Money Cash Hoes? That beat was horrible but I don't remember
Apr 16th 2012
13
NOPE! shit banged
Apr 16th 2012
14
FIIIIIYYYAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!
Apr 16th 2012
19
yeah, that beat sounded like
Apr 17th 2012
23
lmao
Apr 17th 2012
51
yes that beat was horrid. plus money and cash are the same thing.
Apr 20th 2012
52
crank dat soulja boy.
Apr 16th 2012
15
Good answer. The chorus carried that half-assed song.
Apr 17th 2012
32
Craig Mack Flava n Ya Ear
Apr 16th 2012
16
BOO THIS MAN!
Apr 16th 2012
17
I used to change the channel immediately...
Apr 17th 2012
39
that beat was redick. You crazy.
Apr 17th 2012
29
I wasn't really feeling it either
Apr 17th 2012
33
This was the other way around. The beat MADE that song.
Apr 17th 2012
36
*sigh* ....no ...just no
Apr 21st 2012
54
I don't Jay-z moved anybody but "Forever Young" was a corny beat
Apr 17th 2012
37
where was that a hit? Marcy projects?
Apr 17th 2012
41
Opposite, the white fans ate that shit up
Apr 17th 2012
42
shit went top ten in 6+ countries
Apr 17th 2012
46
is it ironic that the two worst beats on bp3
Apr 17th 2012
47
Wanksta. i never saw the appeal of the beat, in particular.
Apr 17th 2012
45
i remember first hearing this song on someones headphones thinking
Apr 17th 2012
48
it sounds like a ringtone
Apr 17th 2012
50

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1. "Runnin (Dying to Live) - Tupac, B.I.G.?"
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I honestly don't mind that beat compared to Eminem's other productions, but I'm pretty sure people just like that it was a posthumous Biggie and Tupac collaboration. Not like that beat's become a freestyle staple or anything.

Then again, I can't remember if that was a big hit or not.

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2. "Hey Ya"
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Lies run sprints.
Truths run marathons.

  

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7. "Not a rap song, and there wasn't a terrible thing about it."
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8. "o_O"
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10. "That is a horrible example for multiple reasons."
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24. "thats a great melody, very danceable. "
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25. "that wasn't no rap song"
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it was just performed by a rap group

(but you are right in that it was rubbish and people loved the shit out of it... Love Below was a lot of BS compared to the great Outkast albums)

  

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34. "What exactly was rubbish about Hey Ya?"
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First time I'm ever hearing beef about that joint-aside from cats wantin Dre to rap and not sing.



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49. "man... it's like"
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I dunno what to say, silly in a way that kind of foreshadowed the split that Outkast eventually took. I figure that was the point of the song, to make fun of that sort of thing -- but still.

I raised my eyebrow the first I heard it on some, "dang it, Dre..."

and "The Way You Move" was just too cool in comparison.

  

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38. "aquemini, atliens and southernplayalistic"
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are hiphop classics

"broken hearts develop a fear of flying"~keyshia cole

  

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43. "RE: aquemini, atliens and southernplayalistic"
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That still takes nothing away from Hey Ya.

  

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3. "Ether?"
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I know it's controversial whether or not that is a mediocre beat.

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4. "lol. yup"
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life always offers you a 2nd chance...it's called tomorrow. use it wisely

  

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5. "that beat is tuurible"
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27. "gotta abstain from voting on any nas/mos/com/kweli/dilla songs"
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cause of the perceived bias on my part

  

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28. "yeah, that beat is very 'Eminem'"
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but folks didn't really care

  

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40. "Worst beat in hip hop history"
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The Jamarcus Russell of beats. Imagine if that song had, I dunno, ANY other beat.

  

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6. "Most of Eminem's singles?"
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11. "^^^^^ This was my first thought. "
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12. "Yup, he mostly gets by on his persona and skills"
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Do even his biggest fans think "Those beats are awesome"? At best, they are serviceable and workmanlike...

  

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18. "I'm a huge fan and would say it's serviceable "
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The 9th Wonder remix definitely improved it a lot.

  

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31. "I like the beat for "Lose Yourself""
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Mostly the guitar and that little piano figure. It's not exactly funky but it's a perfect marriage of a rock-informed beat to Eminem's delivery.

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20. "my first thought."
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21. "I think those beats suit the tracks just fine"
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particularly My Name Is..., Real Slim Shady, Stan and Way I Am


maybe they aren't fucking with, uh, WHATEVER but Stan wasn't all that less clever than Juicy, it's just adamantly unfunky


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35. "I think he meant the beats that Em himself makes"
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>particularly My Name Is..., Real Slim Shady, Stan and Way I
>Am

My Name is was Dre, as was Real Slim Shady.

Stan was the 45 King.

Way I Am may have been Em.

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>maybe they aren't fucking with, uh, WHATEVER but Stan wasn't
>all that less clever than Juicy, it's just adamantly unfunky
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22. "yeah this is the correct answer"
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Shit, it wasn't until Relapse that Em made an album with dope beats

  

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26. "sounds right"
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30. "^^^You are correct sir "
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44. "Eminem's beat choices <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Nas' beats"
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nas always catches the flack but Eminem's production has always been super boring or just straight up shit

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9. "ether. various nas songs."
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53. "i'll give you ether, what other ones do you have in mind?"
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I find Nas to be more of an Album artist rather than a singles artist.

  

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13. "Money Cash Hoes? That beat was horrible but I don't remember "
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how the masses viewed the beat itself. I remember that song being huge on the radio and it got a good amount of play in the clubs. The beat sounded like a joke.

  

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14. "NOPE! shit banged"
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19. "FIIIIIYYYAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!"
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--L--

  

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23. "yeah, that beat sounded like"
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that clip of Sun Ra dragging his knuckles on a keyboard and playing it backwards but it was HUGE

  

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51. "lmao"
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>that clip of Sun Ra dragging his knuckles on a keyboard and
>playing it backwards but it was HUGE

http://i54.tinypic.com/2j51hj4.jpg

  

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52. "yes that beat was horrid. plus money and cash are the same thing."
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that's another thing that bothered me about that song.


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15. "crank dat soulja boy."
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32. "Good answer. The chorus carried that half-assed song."
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16. "Craig Mack Flava n Ya Ear"
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I know ill catch heat for this but I never did like that song and the beat was so damn boring. The remix was cool because of the extra mc's on it...

  

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17. "BOO THIS MAN!"
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It wasn't a hyperactive banger or anything, but that Beat was Nice and Jazzy

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39. "I used to change the channel immediately..."
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every time the video came on. Really hated that song back in the day. Even now I cant listen to it, even though im a little more tolerable of it...

  

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29. "that beat was redick. You crazy."
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33. "I wasn't really feeling it either"
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I didn't hate it but it wasn't my jam like that

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36. "This was the other way around. The beat MADE that song."
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It's viewed as an unquestionable classic, but the verses aren't even THAT dope when you think about it compared to other verses from those same MC's. It was just dope because they were all on it together, and the beat was CLASSIC.

  

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54. "*sigh* ....no ...just no"
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zuma1986
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37. "I don't Jay-z moved anybody but "Forever Young" was a corny beat"
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I think white ppl just love interpolations of big songs they know.

  

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k_orr
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41. "where was that a hit? Marcy projects?"
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zuma1986
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42. "Opposite, the white fans ate that shit up"
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Especially the ones that just came around when "Empire State of Mind" dropped. It was a Top 10 single on the pop charts but did terrible on the hip hop charts.

  

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hammam
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46. "shit went top ten in 6+ countries"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Forever

  

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hammam
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47. "is it ironic that the two worst beats on bp3"
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were the only kanye solo production credits on that album? (hate & young forever)

when is the last kanye beat that y'all fucked with, with no co-producer/outside production?

  

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MISTA MONOTONE
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45. "Wanksta. i never saw the appeal of the beat, in particular."
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Playa_Politician
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48. "i remember first hearing this song on someones headphones thinking"
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...... damn that rapper sucks, but shits gonna be a hit because of the Dre beat. fast forward 6months or so down the road, wanksta is everywhere.

my first time hearing fitty, and i knew just knew he'd be huge.

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Dr Claw
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50. "it sounds like a ringtone"
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in fact, I know someone had it as a ringtone.

  

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