"weirdest placement of a hip hop song in a movie, ever" Fri Apr-13-12 09:00 AM by ABROCK33
I was watching "Cheaper by the dozen 2" with my kids the other night, if u arent hip its a 2004 childrens movie w Steve Martin about a family w/ 12 kids.
Anyway out of the blue theres a scene where Steves kids are adjusting to moving from their small country town to the big city. To emphasize the point a car pulls up besides theres at the stoplight, the window rolls down and u see 2 lil young suburban kids, 8-9 yrs old in the backseat of the car, of course they are dressed in their "hip hop gear" i.e. back wards hats, jerseys etc... they ice grill Steve Martins kids. The funny part is the music blasting out the car speaker is SV's "Conant Garden" (Baatin is rhyming) they roll up the window after a few seconds and the car drives off. Steves kids obviously shook.
*weird and akward*
I checked the sountrack and it wasnt listed as being on the official sountrack
I know that doesnt mean anything
but that was just weird and random
how the heck did someome find SV at that time, and how did they randomely pick that song?
Baatins part tho?
any other instances of this?
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1. "lol. this reminds me of a discussion either here or elsewhere" In response to Reply # 0
where some dillweeds was on "why do people always blast WACK hiphop in movie scenes" and shit, whining about how the director/whoever project their own musical tastes on the viewer. (like... WTF, how is that different from any other movie?)
now obviously I don't think that about the song in question but I do find it interesting when you hear a song you don't think a lot of cats are on in a movie. it's one of those little winks to the viewer that I always find cool.
I mean I like Conant Garden but i cant think out of all their material they had out at that time how or why that particular song was chosen lol
had to be a personal fav of someone involved in the movie
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5. ""Kids" was filled w hip hop tho so it wasnt weird" In response to Reply # 3
it also fit the tone of the movie the struggles of young kids in NY
if we are talking about the "Kids" w Rosario
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13. "oh now I get what u mean" In response to Reply # 12
in that context it is kinda strange
an underground Cali song in a movie set in NY with all other NY underground hip hop songs
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72. ""Listen Up" got a nice amount of NYC underground hip-hop mixshow love" In response to Reply # 12
>but I was familiar with the song before the movie > >for us that was local LA shit > >so for it to catch the ear of whoever was working on Kids, a >story set in NYC was just weird > >not that it couldn't happen, just that it seemed off
I don't remember a DJ ever mentioning that dude was from the West Coast, I found that out on my own. To me it felt like they were playing a tape that someone made off of the radio. If that's what they were going for then having "Listen Up" in there wouldn't have been odd.
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6. "There was something strange in the Wire once..." In response to Reply # 0
The drugdealers were riding around listening to Motion Man or Jacky Jasper or another one of the "Kool Keith proteges" (can't remember now who it was, it was many years ago I watched that episode), that always struck me as weird. Of all Hip-Hop to pick and they went with *that*?
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19. "the 1st series of the wire had weird music in general" In response to Reply # 6 Fri Apr-13-12 10:10 AM by GumDrops
drug dealers driving round listening to talib kweli? that always struck me as strange. or maybe that does happen. but still, drug dealers in the late 80s listening to post-criminal minded BDP or PE i could get, but kweli?? i dunno. maybe they liked the beats...
i think they started featuring bmore club in the later seasons too. there was one scene where the guy wonders how snoop could be from there and not know a certain bmore classic...
26. "I think it was a licensing thing" In response to Reply # 22
They most have had a licensing agreement with Coup De'Tat records are something, because the first two seasons had featured a lot of music by J-Live and Akrobatik.
25. "The worst was during a party scene during season 1" In response to Reply # 19
They show a house party thrown by the Barksdale crew, and the entire place is going nuts while the listen to "CK Won," an album cut from Cage's first album. Yeah... no.
Almost as bad was one of Barksdale's crew running through the Towers from the cops while a stereo blasts a song by some obscure Canadian hip-hop group.
They didn't start getting the music right until Season 3 or so.
10. "reminds me of a Roots related story" In response to Reply # 7
one times after a Roots show in which J5 was opening for them I had an opportunity to chil w J5 and go on their tour bus
it was when "whats golden" just came out
Charlie Tuna was excited and tellin the rest of the group that their manager told him "whats golden" had been placed on a tv show (I cant remember specifically but maybye CSI or sumthin)
since he was so suprised it made me think that the group wasnt involved w the process at all
from what I understand they dont get paid upfrontfor those placements as its more of a promotional tool but they would get pub
anyone care to elaborate on the placement process?
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28. "i can elaborate a little bit..." In response to Reply # 10
i used to submit for licensing to film/tv...
from my (limited) experience, there are usually 2 scenarios:
1) there are agencies who act as middle men between the labels/artists and the film production companies. The artists/labels/managers submit large batches of music (usually they request sample free stuff) to the agencies. The agencies put them into this large database of music. The production companies go through the databases and pick what they like, kind of like ordering off a menu. The publishing eventually trickles down to the artist, but there is usually no contact between artist and production companies. The agencies essentially lobby the prod companies to have their batch considered over others. The agency's relationship with the prod company is key to getting their client's placement.
2) There is some kid who works on a film, but secretly stans for indie artist X. He convinces a director or whoever to include their music in the film. The licensing process happens in reverse, in the sense that the prod company now reaches out to the label/artist, etc.
there are exceptions, but this is pretty much how it works. Truthfully, i stopped fucking with it cuz I got bored doing non-sampled beats in this sort of factory-style way...your music ends up in database of a gazillion songs. and, it is literally a crap shoot in terms of getting picked. I think i got a few beats in some commercialas i never even saw. To this day, don't know much about it, only the ASCAP check says so....
33. "Great info..thanks" In response to Reply # 28
this made the Lesson Lessony
so in a nutshell product placement id not driven by the actual artist directly
wow
from your expierence which of the 2 scenarios you mentioned is the one that "normally" happens or is it 50/50?
>i used to submit for licensing to film/tv... > >from my (limited) experience, there are usually 2 scenarios: > >1) there are agencies who act as middle men between the >labels/artists and the film production companies. The >artists/labels/managers submit large batches of music (usually >they request sample free stuff) to the agencies. The agencies >put them into this large database of music. The production >companies go through the databases and pick what they like, >kind of like ordering off a menu. The publishing eventually >trickles down to the artist, but there is usually no contact >between artist and production companies. The agencies >essentially lobby the prod companies to have their batch >considered over others. The agency's relationship with the >prod company is key to getting their client's placement. > >2) There is some kid who works on a film, but secretly stans >for indie artist X. He convinces a director or whoever to >include their music in the film. The licensing process >happens in reverse, in the sense that the prod company now >reaches out to the label/artist, etc. > >there are exceptions, but this is pretty much how it works. >Truthfully, i stopped fucking with it cuz I got bored doing >non-sampled beats in this sort of factory-style way...your >music ends up in database of a gazillion songs. and, it is >literally a crap shoot in terms of getting picked. I think i >got a few beats in some commercialas i never even saw. To >this day, don't know much about it, only the ASCAP check says >so....
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39. "RE: Great info..thanks" In response to Reply # 33 Fri Apr-13-12 04:19 PM by apex
>so in a nutshell product placement id not driven by the actual >artist directly
that is correct. i have never heard of an artist dealing directly with film or tv producers unless its a scoring situation, which is totally different. For example, with the premiere of NYC22 tonight, Pete Rock (working with musicians) actually scored the music to the show. (he tweeted about that yesterday). But for licensing...naw, that is the producers of the films making those choices. I can think of some exceptions....i can elaborate on that if u want.
>from your expierence which of the 2 scenarios you mentioned is >the one that "normally" happens or is it 50/50?
i don't know really. to me, if you hear an indie buzz song (especially one with samples), its probably some music head working on the film involved. But for random keyboard beats in the background of Jersey Shore, thats definitely some catalog shit chosen from a database. don't get it twisted tho, getting some play on jersey shore is a significant check (to me at least).
EDIT: just realized a lot of this discussion is about fully produced soundtrack songs. in that case, yes, the producers sometimes approach a label or artist and ask them to submit a song for the soundtrack that may or may not relate directly to the movie. so i guess that is a third scenario i didn't mention before. in some cases they pick a song already released (like the SV song) and approach the artists about licensing for the movie. In other cases, like the MC Eight song in Menace, he obviously wrote it for the movie. What i was talking about before is for background beats usually found in reality shows or commercials, and some films.
14. "was it hippie pron?" In response to Reply # 11 Fri Apr-13-12 09:48 AM by ABROCK33
I couldnt even imagine useing it as a background
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Fri Apr-13-12 12:39 PM
30. "can't think of any off the top...." In response to Reply # 29
but I always wondered how some random songs make it into movies. I bet a lot of it has to do with what production company is producing the movie... more than likely it will be random shit from their own catalog. Just a thought.
..or maybe they use songs that don't cost a lot to place. Pretty sure an SV song would be much cheaper than an Eminem song.
48. "man he said 'rain on your college's disco dorm' on that song" In response to Reply # 29
Dirty popping up in a bro-film should not be considered a surprise, when Return To 36 came out I came home from class one day to see my geek roommate who listened to nothing but Weezer had put that food-stamp-album cover bumper-sticker on our front door.
32. "not film-related but" In response to Reply # 0
I was once browsing an electronics store in a suburb on the outskirts of Tokyo and one of the stereo systems they had on display was bumpin' Big L. Not Biggie. Not Big Pun. Big L. That really threw me for a loop.
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Fri Apr-13-12 05:13 PM
43. "Up in the air...they had a corporate Christmas party, and Young" In response to Reply # 0
MC was at their party performing "Bust a move." The song itself wouldn't have been too surprising/weird, but having him there performing it made it very WTF worthy
44. "that was really funny and quirky" In response to Reply # 43
>MC was at their party performing "Bust a move." The song >itself wouldn't have been too surprising/weird, but having him >there performing it made it very WTF worthy
at the same time, you have to imagine a lot of corporate conferences probably would book someone like young mc... it's someone they've heard of (because they're all old) and could afford (because he's not in demand), so i thought that was a nice touch
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Fri Apr-13-12 05:47 PM
45. "LOL yea it was funny, just caught me waaaaay off guard" In response to Reply # 44
And yea, him and Tone Loc who are basically the same person with the same hits are like that...those 40+ corporate folks LOVE their music, and can afford em.
49. "speaking of SV, 'Get This Money' being in the bar scene of Office Space" In response to Reply # 0
was pretty odd.
I understood all the Scarface/Geto Boys because Mike Judge is a Texas dude who probably grew up on that shit plus used their music for comedic contrast throughout the film.
54. "who remembers back in the day when on "A Diffrent World"" In response to Reply # 0 Mon Apr-16-12 01:23 PM by ABROCK33
they played either "Eric B is President" or "i know u got soul"..cant remember which it was
it wasnt out of place as it was an urban show but back then in the 80's they NEVER played hip hop on tv. So this wasn't weird as much as suprisong
I swear I am the only one who remembers it
Dwayne Wayne was sitting on the couch
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71. "Theo playing "Buddy" on the Cosby Show was a landmark moment" In response to Reply # 54
>they played either "Eric B is President" or "i know u got >soul"..cant remember which it was > >it wasnt out of place as it was an urban show but back then in >the 80's they NEVER played hip hop on tv. So this wasn't weird >as much as suprisong > >I swear I am the only one who remembers it > >Dwayne Wayne was sitting on the couch
as Bill Cosby wasn't very fond of rap. And I'm pretty sure he played the album version too which was the version I preferred. I remember Dr. Claw saying that Theo was the OKayPlayer prototype that bugged me out cause it's kind of on point. _________________________________________ The Combat Jack Show is THE best hip-hop related internet radio show Catch up http://pncradio.tumblr.com/
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