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Thanes1975
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"Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?"


  

          

Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up? I loved the LP when it dropped. I still like it alot now. With all of the hype gone and years to look back, what are your 2012 thoughts of "BE"

1. Is it a great LP or classic?
2. Where does it rank among Common LP's
3. ...general statement

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Only the Dilla tracks
Apr 12th 2012
1
and here we go
Apr 18th 2012
104
RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?
Apr 12th 2012
2
BE a classic!?!
Apr 12th 2012
3
RE: BE a classic!?!
Apr 14th 2012
57
      EC is way better than Be to me.
Apr 14th 2012
65
      RE: EC is way better than Be to me.
Apr 15th 2012
76
      you must not read many peoples thoughts in here
Apr 15th 2012
77
           RE: you must not read many peoples thoughts in here
Apr 16th 2012
81
thats the begining of his soft phase to me
Apr 12th 2012
4
I agree with this stance...
Apr 12th 2012
9
it wasn't his best. far from his worst. not a classic to me.
Apr 12th 2012
5
to this day, i fucking loathe "faithful"
Apr 12th 2012
6
me too LOL
Apr 12th 2012
7
I prefer this version:
Apr 14th 2012
64
      Kno did it first and better
Apr 16th 2012
86
I think it's the lyrical low of Be...
Apr 12th 2012
10
Dog
Apr 12th 2012
15
      Embarrassing.
Apr 12th 2012
17
HORRIBLE SONG
Apr 12th 2012
14
y'all crazy
Apr 13th 2012
26
WHAT!?!!?
Apr 13th 2012
48
Bilal and John Legend make that below avg song Great
Apr 13th 2012
34
pretty cheesy song but i don't mind it
Apr 13th 2012
40
the singing on that song is the best part of the whole album imo.
Apr 14th 2012
63
great song.
Apr 18th 2012
107
Strange. I was gonna make this post...
Apr 12th 2012
8
RE: Strange. I was gonna make this post...
Apr 12th 2012
11
Lmao
Apr 14th 2012
70
Haha it was on purpose.
Apr 16th 2012
82
I agree with this in particular
Apr 14th 2012
71
its still a nice album... way better than EC thats for sure!!
Apr 12th 2012
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RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?
Apr 12th 2012
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It's Common's black album (the Metallica one)
Apr 12th 2012
16
Agreed, and UMC=Reload
Apr 12th 2012
21
About half of it held up. He coulda kept the other half.
Apr 12th 2012
18
common "love is..." vs. jay electronica "renaissance man"
Apr 12th 2012
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RE: common "love is..." vs. jay electronica "renaissance man"
Apr 13th 2012
28
what the fuck are you talking about?
Apr 12th 2012
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      Mad.
Apr 13th 2012
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           Good reply
Apr 13th 2012
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                Fam...
Apr 13th 2012
47
                     Fam
Apr 13th 2012
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I played it a lot the year it was released
Apr 12th 2012
22
I agree with you for the most part..
Apr 13th 2012
30
yeah
Apr 13th 2012
35
Ok - that makes perfect sense now that you explain...
Apr 13th 2012
36
Only slightly!?
Apr 14th 2012
59
      It's called an opinion sir.
Apr 14th 2012
60
completely agree.
Apr 17th 2012
95
I still like the album very much
Apr 13th 2012
23
last good album com made.
Apr 13th 2012
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Word
Apr 13th 2012
39
of course it does!
Apr 13th 2012
25
yeah most of those joints are dope, cohesive overall
Apr 13th 2012
31
I think Testify is among the best joints. The 88 Keys remix is dope too
Apr 13th 2012
32
I still Love this album....it went downhill from there...
Apr 13th 2012
33
great album...honestly if you took off Testify, and added the OG
Apr 13th 2012
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Agree in totality.
Apr 13th 2012
38
never heard the og version of be
Apr 13th 2012
42
Yea that shit is dope.
Apr 13th 2012
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I wonder why they cut this one off... they could have slid this on
Apr 14th 2012
67
Right?
Apr 14th 2012
69
never heard this either
Apr 15th 2012
73
RE: great album...honestly if you took off Testify, and added the OG
Apr 13th 2012
51
what makes Testify a bad song?
Apr 18th 2012
105
you know what bothers me about common?
Apr 13th 2012
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i like it
Apr 13th 2012
44
Honestly I gave Be an unfair assessment
Apr 13th 2012
45
fuck be
Apr 13th 2012
46
that chappelle show bs pisses me off to this day
Apr 13th 2012
49
Yea I'm with you here...
Apr 13th 2012
50
RE: Yea I'm with you here...
Apr 16th 2012
92
      Right. We just said the same thing.
Apr 17th 2012
93
Putting that version on the album was an A+ move imo
Apr 18th 2012
108
HELL NO. That album is straight up cheese
Apr 13th 2012
52
It's Your World is in the runnin for greatest Dilla beat
Apr 13th 2012
54
RE: It's Your World is in the runnin for greatest Dilla beat
Apr 14th 2012
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when Comm used that 'I'm Rick James, Bitch' punchline in Chi City
Apr 13th 2012
55
unsure, but I always loved how after that debacle
Apr 14th 2012
56
      What Kweli post are you referring to?
Apr 14th 2012
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           RE: What Kweli post are you referring to?
Apr 14th 2012
66
                lmao, that was the ONE era I really felt like ?uest was mad on the board...
Apr 15th 2012
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                That's crazy.
Apr 16th 2012
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RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?
Apr 14th 2012
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It'sYour World
Apr 14th 2012
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RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?
Apr 15th 2012
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RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?
Apr 16th 2012
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RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?
Apr 17th 2012
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Intro song wayyyyy more overrated
Apr 16th 2012
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RE: Intro song wayyyyy more overrated
Apr 17th 2012
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      Comm played the violin on that?
Apr 17th 2012
100
           iont know about the track itself
Apr 18th 2012
103
wait...whats up with the RJD2 thing? That would be a great
Apr 16th 2012
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      from what he said in Scratch
Apr 17th 2012
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           Damn
Apr 17th 2012
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                yessir that would've been a good thing for both of them
Apr 17th 2012
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RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?
Apr 15th 2012
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RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?
Apr 15th 2012
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RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?
Apr 16th 2012
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RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?
Apr 16th 2012
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I still rock it, but i edited like shit, though
Apr 16th 2012
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RE: I still rock it, but i edited like shit, though
Apr 16th 2012
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when it first came out, i used to jam it on the constant...
Apr 16th 2012
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RE: when it first came out, i used to jam it on the constant...
Apr 16th 2012
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soft, boring album.
Apr 17th 2012
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RE: soft, boring album.
Apr 17th 2012
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Dope album and one of my favorites... I still listen to it.
Apr 18th 2012
106

tandmfam
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1. "Only the Dilla tracks"
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104. "and here we go"
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2. "RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?"
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I'd say it definitely holds up, I'd probably count it as my second favourite Common LP.

The only 'eh' bit to me was his verses on Testify, but the beat saved it hard.

  

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3. "BE a classic!?!"
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I don't know what the majority would say, but in reality of the term, nope. People don't really talk about it much anymore. It was termed one at the time of it's release, but folks still discuss Electric Circus more than Be, which says a lot because the masses destroyed that album when it was released...I don't really go back to either too often, but I listen to EC more than Be

  

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57. "RE: BE a classic!?!"
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>I don't know what the majority would say, but in reality of
>the term, nope. People don't really talk about it much
>anymore. It was termed one at the time of it's release, but
>folks still discuss Electric Circus more than Be, which says a
>lot because the masses destroyed that album when it was
>released...I don't really go back to either too often, but I
>listen to EC more than Be

they discuss EC more cause that shit wuz garbo lol

wtf the fuck kinda crack u smokin thinkin that piece of shit EC wuz ANYWHERE near BE.

an BE wasn't even that hot.

  

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65. "EC is way better than Be to me."
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It's not even a contest.

Outside of It's your World and one or two other tracks I can't stand Be, and I think I like Aquarius and The Hustle more than anything on Be.

  

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76. "RE: EC is way better than Be to me."
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>It's not even a contest.
>
>Outside of It's your World and one or two other tracks I can't
>stand Be, and I think I like Aquarius and The Hustle more than
>anything on Be.

lol EC has like 4 hot songs.

soul power is crack. an there like 3 other decent tracks.

but the shit is a pretentious, overreaching wanna be Bohemia piece of shit.

that one jawn where common started singing was probably the most embarrassing moment of the 2000s.

  

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77. "you must not read many peoples thoughts in here"
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yes, it is a divisive album, but there is a whole cadre of okpers, including myself, who love EC and were extremely let down by how "safe" BE was

Electric Circus is fantastic for the 1,ooo time

  

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81. "RE: you must not read many peoples thoughts in here"
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>yes, it is a divisive album, but there is a whole cadre of
>okpers, including myself, who love EC and were extremely let
>down by how "safe" BE was
>
>Electric Circus is fantastic for the 1,ooo time

of course they love it lol

questlove was involvled. u think some of these sycophantic lames on here gonna criticise a release lord quest had a hand in?

  

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4. "thats the begining of his soft phase to me"
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let me preface it by saying Im a Comm fan..always have been

wheras many unjustly credit the Roots involvment for his demise on LWFC I thought that was just a mature-boys to man record

his Electric Circus phase was weird but to me Be is when he started to get a little too mushy for my tastes

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9. "I agree with this stance..."
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>let me preface it by saying Im a Comm fan..always have been
>
>wheras many unjustly credit the Roots involvment for his
>demise on LWFC I thought that was just a mature-boys to man
>record
>
>his Electric Circus phase was weird but to me Be is when he
>started to get a little too mushy for my tastes

I love Be but I think this was kinda the beginning of the end in terms of him having that "it" factor on his albums. I hate the word but even as a "conscious" rapper he still always had "swag" on albums like LWFC/One Day, where he was rhyming socially aware shit while at the same time having that "don't fuck with me" edge to it.

On Be, he had it to a certain degree but it was clear he was softening up a bit. I still love it but I agree with what you're saying.

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5. "it wasn't his best. far from his worst. not a classic to me."
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6. "to this day, i fucking loathe "faithful""
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7. "me too LOL"
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I hate that ish..its soo cheese

the "faithful" vocal sample and that synth sound grate on my nerves

I also hate Testify even tho its a dope story I cant get path the shearling style beat

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1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
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64. "I prefer this version:"
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Both these tracks came out in 2005 so I dunno which was made first, or if the producers were even conscious of the other one being made. But I thought Kno made that shit sound a lot better

I think the sample also fit the vibe of this song better


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86. "Kno did it first and better"
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10. "I think it's the lyrical low of Be..."
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I mean "what if God...was a her"?! I mean come the fuck on.

But, the song is absolutely saved by CeeLo and J.Legend going all gospel back and forth at the end. That shit is wild, with two of my favorites.

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15. "Dog"
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That is Bilal and John Legend

And yes, that ending is my favorite shit on the album.

  

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17. "Embarrassing."
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Wow. I can't imagine what the fuck I was thinking.

But yes. Bilal and John Legend.

Logging off now.

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14. "HORRIBLE SONG"
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26. "y'all crazy"
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that's the best song on the album


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48. "WHAT!?!!?"
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I don't even dislike the sing, but FUCK NO it's definitely not the best.

>that's the best song on the album
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34. "Bilal and John Legend make that below avg song Great"
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<---https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01DL9AVTQ

  

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40. "pretty cheesy song but i don't mind it"
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i still think the beat, common is just pretty cheesed all around though if you ask me.

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63. "the singing on that song is the best part of the whole album imo."
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107. "great song."
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Jordan!

  

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8. "Strange. I was gonna make this post..."
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This past weekend cause I popped it back in for the first time in a while. You beat me to it. I'm lazy.


>1. Is it a great LP or classic?

Absolutely a great LP. Short, concise, great beats, Common tore it the fuck up. And it was his "comeback" of sorts (even though I'm on the pro-EC team), and you could hear how hungry and determined he was to prove he hadn't "fallen off".


>2. Where does it rank among Common LP's

Ummm let's see...

1. Resurrection/LWFC/One Day...
4. Be
5. TD/TB
6. EC
7. FF
8. CIBAD

So it's kinda middle of the pack, I suppose, but since Res, LWFC and One Day are interchangeable at #1 I guess it could technically be considered 2nd in his catalogue.


>3. ...general statement

Like I said, I'm on the pro-Electric Circus team, I really like that album. Common was still on another planet lyrically, and I enjoyed the "out there" production.

But that said, because of all the backlash it got, this was seen as Common's last chance to prove he still "had it" and he seized the opportunity 10-fold IMO. Lyrically, every song is on point. The Be Intro? Sheeeeit.

Production-wise, people call it a "sleeper" (some people, that is). I don't see it that way. Kanye gave Common soulful samples (which he rocks best over) and allowed Comm to flex his lyrical muscles. Dilla's two beats are standouts for sure but Ye didn't fuck around, either. They both felt they had something to prove on that album, I feel. And they did.

I listened just this past weekend so it's kinda fresh in my mind, which is good for this post. There's just a lot of feeling in that album and I still really love it.

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Thanes1975
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11. "RE: Strange. I was gonna make this post..."
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LOL...LOL

Yeah, I agree with you.

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70. "Lmao"
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I like how you omitted UMC altogether
I don't know if that was on purpose or not
but even funnier if you actually forgot about it, lol

>1. Resurrection/LWFC/One Day...
>4. Be
>5. TD/TB
>6. EC
>7. FF
>8. CIBAD

  

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82. "Haha it was on purpose."
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I wish I could forget about it. Erase that shit from memory. Ha

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71. "I agree with this in particular"
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For me personally, this was when I realized this nigga Kanye is NOT fucking around. Was already hype for LR and then this dropped? Plus that year was the last time he was really on that sound? Production on this is what keeps me coming back years later. Didn't mean to make this about Kanye but I absolutely agree with everything else. Be is one of my favorite Common albums period.


>Production-wise, people call it a "sleeper" (some people, that
>is). I don't see it that way. Kanye gave Common soulful
>samples (which he rocks best over) and allowed Comm to flex
>his lyrical muscles. Dilla's two beats are standouts for sure
>but Ye didn't fuck around, either. They both felt they had
>something to prove on that album, I feel. And they did.


  

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12. "its still a nice album... way better than EC thats for sure!!"
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...but its kinda soft like someone else mentioned

  

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13. "RE: Looking back at Common's &quot;BE&quot;: Did it hold up?"
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....It was his last quality LP released...Com (the artist formely known as Sense) is now pretty much dead to me...His last release was garbage, save 2-3 tracks...remember when you could sit back and listen all the way through a Common project...? Just knew he was gonna come with it? With the "Be" LP though, there were hints at the wackness to come....Sad stuff...

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16. "It's Common's black album (the Metallica one)"
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Sharp change toward accessibility, not necessarily for the worse (and in fact, to a lot of people, it was for the better); but it kicked off a severe downturn in the quality of his output.

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21. "Agreed, and UMC=Reload"
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18. "About half of it held up. He coulda kept the other half. "
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starting with the first track. shit was corny to me, especially the beat.

listening to the album u could see it was just a matter of time before he puts out some horrific bullshit project like UMC... but before u could lose faith in the brotha he comes with joints like Go and Real People.
'Its Your World' was i.m.o. one of Comm's best songs EVER.
having that on the same album with crap like 'Love Is' just left me confused about what my opinion of the album was. i guess at the end of the day (album) i knew he still had "it" but saw he was gettin lazy with it. maybe just trying to dumb down for his new/wider audience.

this album gave me the first smell of Mainstream Comm. since he farted out UMC i haven't even been that excited about picking up his latest album. haven't even heard it yet. i heard it was pretty good tho, and it is Comm, so i'll probably buy it sometime soon.

  

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19. "common "love is..." vs. jay electronica "renaissance man""
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i actually fuck with jay's version more, but i never had a problem with common's version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5d-bxZ6L54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtkyVX7JYTE

  

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28. "RE: common "love is..." vs. jay electronica "renaissance man""
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i'm not crazy about either one really. jay shit better tho fasure.

  

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20. "what the fuck are you talking about?"
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>starting with the first track. shit was corny to me,
>especially the beat.
>

The Intro is one of the best joints on the album. I'm not sure how the beat is "corny" maybe it is just you because you're the only one that I've ever heard apply that word to that song.

>listening to the album u could see it was just a matter of
>time before he puts out some horrific bullshit project like
>UMC... but before u could lose faith in the brotha he comes
>with joints like Go and Real People.

Really? You can tell from Be that Common was going to drop UMC? Yea, I'm going to have to classify that under bullshit. The albums are nothing alike. and LOL @ calling the intro corny and then stating Go regained your faith in Common.

>'Its Your World' was i.m.o. one of Comm's best songs EVER.
>having that on the same album with crap like 'Love Is' just
>left me confused about what my opinion of the album was. i
>guess at the end of the day (album) i knew he still had "it"
>but saw he was gettin lazy with it. maybe just trying to dumb
>down for his new/wider audience.
>

I agree Its Your World is a great track, but Love Is is very Common-like and no one should be mad at that joint. The beat was greatness. Com write a dope track that fit the beat. I swear people just talk to talk on this site.

>this album gave me the first smell of Mainstream Comm. since
>he farted out UMC i haven't even been that excited about
>picking up his latest album. haven't even heard it yet. i
>heard it was pretty good tho, and it is Comm, so i'll probably
>buy it sometime soon.

The Light is the first time Com got mainstream success. and I don't know why you keep mentioning UMC because that album didn't make noise in the mainstream at all. I'm still confused as hell as to how you keep mentioning Be and UMC like they're one in the same.

  

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27. "Mad."
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and that last sentence just proved u to be acting like a bitter beeeyach with no regard for common sense (no pun intended). #readingcomprehension

your emotion laced opinions are your opinions holmes, but no need to take something i say and run with it like u work for the damn Enquirer.

  

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29. "Good reply"
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Mad is the go to answer for people who can't discuss their bullshit.

  

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47. "Fam..."
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on top of making up dumb ass arguements about shit i never claimed, your arguement for 'Love Is'being good is that "it is very Common like and nobody should be mad at that joint."

clearly a discussion i have no energy for.

and yes, my dislike for PARTS of Be obviously made u very upset (read: mad).

  

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53. "Fam"
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I don't even like the album like that.

Just pointing out your hypocrisy.

  

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22. "I played it a lot the year it was released"
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even was rockin' the bootleg for a while before the CD came out. Between that and Kanye's LAST REGISTRATION (which was a much better album), I was cool that summer.

I don't go back to it often (I tend to do this with albums I played the shit out of on release), but I liked it better than EC as far as a complete album is concerned. The music fit Common better as a whole and even his "softer" side songs sounded more suited to his style than something like "I Got A Right Ta" or what have you. I will say, however, Common had started to lean on "Common" cliches in his rhymes (the token "shock verse" i.e. "black men, with white girls on their arms... I be mad at them, as if I know they moms") for the first time.

Not quite "Gap" Common, but you can see the building blocks were being stacked.

and Kanye did a fine job on production as far as I'm concerned. I like a good 85% of what he put out here more than the stuff on College Dropout.

  

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30. "I agree with you for the most part.."
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>even was rockin' the bootleg for a while before the CD came
>out. Between that and Kanye's LAST REGISTRATION (which was a
>much better album), I was cool that summer.

I thought Be was slightly better but that's only because Common is the far better MC. Production-wise it's Late Reg tho, but only slightly.


>I don't go back to it often (I tend to do this with albums I
>played the shit out of on release),

Same here.

>but I liked it better than
>EC as far as a complete album is concerned. The music fit
>Common better as a whole and even his "softer" side songs
>sounded more suited to his style than something like "I Got A
>Right Ta" or what have you. I will say, however, Common had
>started to lean on "Common" cliches in his rhymes (the token
>"shock verse" i.e. "black men, with white girls on their
>arms... I be mad at them, as if I know they moms") for the
>first time.

Really? I wouldn't say this is the first time. "...in a circle of FAGGOTS, your name is mentioned"
"you still rockin hickeys, don't let me find out he did it"
etc. He'd been doing taht type of shit for years. And to be honest I don't think it was "shock" verses as much as it was just a guy we were always so used to being conscious and socially aware saying some shit that you wouldn't otherwise expect him to say/believe.


>Not quite "Gap" Common, but you can see the building blocks
>were being stacked.

Agreed here.


>and Kanye did a fine job on production as far as I'm
>concerned. I like a good 85% of what he put out here more than
>the stuff on College Dropout.

Same.

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35. "yeah"
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>I thought Be was slightly better but that's only because
>Common is the far better MC. Production-wise it's Late Reg
>tho, but only slightly.

I agree that Common is way better (by miles, even).
I felt Kanye came with a concept and delivered. Common did too, for the most part, but it felt more like a "rebound from a fall". Kanye seemed to be on some Michael Jackson "Fuck This... I Wanna Destroy The World" shit. I don't quite remember getting that vibe from Com on this album, though there was a lil of it.

>Really? I wouldn't say this is the first time. "...in a circle
>of FAGGOTS, your name is mentioned"
>"you still rockin hickeys, don't let me find out he did it"
>etc. He'd been doing taht type of shit for years. And to be
>honest I don't think it was "shock" verses as much as it was
>just a guy we were always so used to being conscious and
>socially aware saying some shit that you wouldn't otherwise
>expect him to say/believe.

Yeah. Well, what I mean by that... is that Common saying that AFTER flipping the script on EC started to feel like he was doing it more to prove he was still not to be fucked with on certain subjects rather than just those classic "WTF did Common just say" moments. On LWFC I felt Com was just RIGHT there with the rawness. Though placement ("Nag Champa" reuse of that old verse) was odd, it still felt like those moments when Com would catch you off guard back then. (See: "Car Horn" and the "tossing salads" line). I kind of thought that was dope about Common. Sure he was hanging out with the boho crowd but he was still a raw dude from Chicago who could offend. My favorite of such lines (besides the aforementioned "circle of faggots" line) was the one where he said someone "raps like a dude with his nipples pierced". LMFAO.

EC and "Between Me, You, and Liberation", "Come Close" was like him becoming full boho. And it seemed like some of that kind of shit was over. Then he was like "NOPE... ROLLBACK"

it's hard to quantify that, it's just the emotional feel I got from hearing that line on Be. I laughed at it anyway.


  

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36. "Ok - that makes perfect sense now that you explain..."
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>Yeah. Well, what I mean by that... is that Common saying that
>AFTER flipping the script on EC started to feel like he was
>doing it more to prove he was still not to be fucked with on
>certain subjects rather than just those classic "WTF did
>Common just say" moments. On LWFC I felt Com was just RIGHT
>there with the rawness. Though placement ("Nag Champa" reuse
>of that old verse) was odd, it still felt like those moments
>when Com would catch you off guard back then. (See: "Car Horn"
>and the "tossing salads" line). I kind of thought that was
>dope about Common. Sure he was hanging out with the boho crowd
>but he was still a raw dude from Chicago who could offend. My
>favorite of such lines (besides the aforementioned "circle of
>faggots" line) was the one where he said someone "raps like a
>dude with his nipples pierced". LMFAO.
>
>EC and "Between Me, You, and Liberation", "Come Close" was
>like him becoming full boho. And it seemed like some of that
>kind of shit was over. Then he was like "NOPE... ROLLBACK"
>
>it's hard to quantify that, it's just the emotional feel I got
>from hearing that line on Be. I laughed at it anyway.


I can see what you're saying. On Between Me, You & Liberation, it seemed like he made the full transformation into a fully conscious dude, so to flip it back does seem KIND of odd. But I just didn't find the line from Real People that you referenced all that shocking I guess. But again, I totally see what you're getting at.

And as a huge lifetime Common fan, I have been talking about his lack of "rawness" or that "it" factor since LWFC around here for a while, so I agree. Like you said, he was coffee shop/boho but still had that edge, that "swag" (ugh)...which makes his dope lyrics sound that much better from that old time period. Since then, he's still got dope rhymes but something has been missing a lot of the time. So I feel you.

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59. "Only slightly!?"
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>>even was rockin' the bootleg for a while before the CD came
>>out. Between that and Kanye's LAST REGISTRATION (which was a
>>much better album), I was cool that summer.
>
>I thought Be was slightly better but that's only because
>Common is the far better MC. Production-wise it's Late Reg
>tho, but only slightly.

That's an amazing statement. LR was miles and miles better than Be as far as production. Not even in the same ballpark.

  

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60. "It's called an opinion sir."
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I love them both.

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95. "completely agree. "
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Acceptance of prevailing standards often means we have no standards of our own.
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23. "I still like the album very much"
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I think they should've put the studio version of "the food" on there,
and make the live version a bonustrack or something.
It disrupts the flow of the album.

'Testify' is the weakest song on there (to me), I never skip it though...

I'd put EC, LWFC, Resurrection & TDTB over this.

I've been revisitin Com's discography (and I'm reading his 'memoire')

and made me a new personal favorite list:

LWFC
TDTB
R
EC
BE
OD
FF
CBD
UMC

http://islasoul.bandcamp.com

  

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24. "last good album com made."
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finding forever was aight but his lyrics was too granola for me.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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39. "Word"
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25. "of course it does! "
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be is classic. the most consistent common LP from front to back. as with illmatic, i think the concise nature helped. every track is listenable, every track is good. and common is spitting fire throughout. probably my favorite common album as a whole. i can't believe it is almost 7 years old!

>Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up? I loved the LP
>when it dropped. I still like it alot now. With all of the
>hype gone and years to look back, what are your 2012 thoughts
>of "BE"
>
>1. Is it a great LP or classic?
>2. Where does it rank among Common LP's
>3. ...general statement
>
>Peace


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31. "yeah most of those joints are dope, cohesive overall"
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testify is the only really questionable track

divided we fall

  

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32. "I think Testify is among the best joints. The 88 Keys remix is dope too"
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The John Meyer track I can take or leave.

Overall, strong project tho. I haven't played it in a while but it feels like @@@@

___________________________
OL' DIRTY BASTARD on himself:
"I may curse, I may have a bad mouth, whatever whatever. I'm not that bad, yaknow'mean. Bad to y'all, I dunno how y'all... I don't give a fuck. Um, I'm a good person at heart, for real and shit.

  

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33. "I still Love this album....it went downhill from there..."
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FF was aiight, then....the plummet

It takes all kinds to make up a world, son. -My pops

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37. "great album...honestly if you took off Testify, and added the OG "
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version of "Be" (produced by Dilla, no?) in its place...

then add Home or whatever from Late Registration (why in the f*ck did Com pass on that??) near the end of the album...

then it would really be hitting on all points


** Yeah Go and Faithful are a little corny...but its Com. That wasn't new for him


** Its Your Wold is effing phenomenal like others have said. Just an amazing track and the perfect closer


** I love Real People too. I don't take it as him being shocking either...just honest about his back and forth on the subject


** I'm still confused why Ye didn't just take the time to give the studio version of Food more life... that's another change I'd make to the album to make it perfect



Be really was *almost* the perfect way for him to come back.

Its definitely his 4th best album to me.

Could have edged **closer** to the Com holy trinity had it been-

1 Be intro
2 The Corner
3 Go
4 Faithful
5 Original Be (this sh*t goes)
6 Love is
7 Chi City
8 Studio Food with more life somehow
9 Home
10 Real People
11 They Say
12 Its Your World


You could throw the live version of The Food on there as a bonus track...as well as The Corners RMX.





  

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38. "Agree in totality."
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42. "never heard the og version of be"
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this is the one you are talking about? its nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXVSZsT97xw

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43. "Yea that shit is dope."
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67. "I wonder why they cut this one off... they could have slid this on"
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right after "The Food" or some shit.

This is HARD!

  

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69. "Right? "
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I bumped that track for like 3 days straight when I found it...

  

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73. "never heard this either"
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Great track...

-thebigfunk

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51. "RE: great album...honestly if you took off Testify, and added the OG "
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Yep..agreed

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105. "what makes Testify a bad song?"
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41. "you know what bothers me about common?"
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whenever he disses someone, he acts like he wasn't dissing when he is asked about it. he has one line about nas on this album where he did this, just like he did with drake at first. anyhow, it is a pretty good album imo but doesn't really have staying power. i did love it when it came out though. the dilla tracks and a couple others i still really enjoy.

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44. "i like it"
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simple and plain as that.

i also liked ec and ff. umc was of course reeeal corny.

he's on the right path again with td/tb but ya'll noticed every hook is sang by the same guy ? on every tracks. that annoys me so hard. it takes a lot from that album, if you ask me

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45. "Honestly I gave Be an unfair assessment"
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1. Is it a great LP or classic?

great LP

2. Where does it rank among Common LP's

3rd Lyrically, 4th Overall

3. ...general statement

BE came fresh off the heels of Electric Circus, which was great artisticlly. At the time, I felt that he was backtracking. I mean every album before BE was musically more progressive, then BE came along and it seemed like he went so far over peoples heads that they couldn't comprehend what he was doing with EC. However, for the past couple weeks I have been listening to BE repeatedly and recognized that lyrically, it might be his 3rd best album, behind One Day and LWFC.

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46. "fuck be"
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this is when i ceased to have any interest in this dude. he went from soft to corny and kanye did not help at all. finding forever was when it just got cringe inducingly sad. if anyone still gave a fuck, the drake shit would be the nail in the coffin

  

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49. "that chappelle show bs pisses me off to this day"
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If you want to fuck up the flow of an album, that is how you do it.

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50. "Yea I'm with you here..."
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Like someone else already said, the way to do it would've been to liven up the studio version a bit cause that song was great. But adding the live version was almost embarrassing. Doesn't RUIN the album but the flow is definitely thrown off. Especially since they put in the fucking edited version! Ugh.

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92. "RE: Yea I'm with you here..."
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but the live version >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the studio version.


but it shouldnt have been hard to "liven up" the studio verson after they had perforemed it.

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93. "Right. We just said the same thing."
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108. "Putting that version on the album was an A+ move imo"
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Jordan!

  

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52. "HELL NO. That album is straight up cheese"
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Only the two Dilla songs still sound good. Oh and Chi City is cool. The last good Common album was LW4C.

  

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54. "It's Your World is in the runnin for greatest Dilla beat"
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That beat man. That fuckin beat.

  

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68. "RE: It's Your World is in the runnin for greatest Dilla beat"
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I said the same thing..

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55. "when Comm used that 'I'm Rick James, Bitch' punchline in Chi City"
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was that a slick subliminal shot at the OKP who Kweli battled with on this board or was it just Comm making the kind of tired pop-culture reference that he'd beat into the ground on the next two increasingly weak albums?

  

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56. "unsure, but I always loved how after that debacle"
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Kweli got Dave Chappelle to host The Beautiful Mixtape as Rick James, in a clear dis to that poster ("That's right, the REAL Rick James!").


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58. "What Kweli post are you referring to?"
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I don't think I saw this...

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66. "RE: What Kweli post are you referring to?"
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In early 2004, someone posting as 'ImRickJamesBitch' leaked a slew of early versions of songs from The Beautiful Struggle (which I think Kweli was still recording at the time) to the boards. Kweli and ?uestlove both leapt in with angry responses, and it all turned into a shitstorm of opinions about the ethics of leaking an unfinished album to the world and what consequences, if any, might be awaiting the anonymous poster. A few of the posts are summarised here: http://www.hiphopmusic.com/archives/000458.html

Another amusing addendum was that, on April 1 that year, another poster named 'I'mSTILLRickJamesBitch' turned up and posted a link for a full leak of The Tipping Point. ?uestlove was there in seconds with another outraged response and a promise to dead links everywhere and mete out righteous justice....until revealing later in the day that it was an April Fools prank that he was behind, with the 'leaked' tracks being looped snippets of Tipping Point tracks (with a few unreleased treats snuck in for good measure).


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74. "lmao, that was the ONE era I really felt like ?uest was mad on the board..."
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>In early 2004, someone posting as 'ImRickJamesBitch' leaked a
>slew of early versions of songs from The Beautiful Struggle
>(which I think Kweli was still recording at the time) to the
>boards. Kweli and ?uestlove both leapt in with angry
>responses, and it all turned into a shitstorm of opinions
>about the ethics of leaking an unfinished album to the world
>and what consequences, if any, might be awaiting the anonymous
>poster. A few of the posts are summarised here:
>http://www.hiphopmusic.com/archives/000458.html

  

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83. "That's crazy."
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Thanks for the info

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61. "RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?"
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1. Is it a great LP or classic?

I'd say great LP, but not a (personal) classic. Bought it on day 1, and then played the hell out of it. Definitely my summer of '05 album.

2. Where does it rank among Common LP's ?

My 4th favorite Com album, behind Like Water, Resurrection, and Electric Circus.

3. ...general statement

I agree with the posters above who say it was a transitional album in his career. It's the last of his records I enjoyed in its entirety; there are some tracks I dig on his following releases, but overall they disappointed me. I had high hopes for The Dreamer/The Believer, but never really got into it

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62. "It'sYour World"
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Is an amazing track to me. One of the best I ever heard from Common lyrically..

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72. "RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?"
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>1. Is it a great LP or classic?

a good LP, not great and certainly not classic (XXL retracted their classic rating of it and I've never seen them do that)


>2. Where does it rank among Common LP's

somewhere in the middle I'd say


>3. ...general statement
>

I thought it was just okay then, and my opinion hasn't changed
I wish Ye would've let RJD2 get some spots on there like he was campaigning to do but we all know why that didn't happen
as much as people praise the last song I pretty much find that beat to be just okay, and a perfect example of 3 words making an okay beat great when put in front of it ("produced by J-Dilla")
and that stuttering snare on the turnaround is fucking annoying and takes me out of whatever zone I'm in when I listen to it
>Peace

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84. "RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?"
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>
>>1. Is it a great LP or classic?
>
>a good LP, not great and certainly not classic (XXL retracted
>their classic rating of it and I've never seen them do that)


C'mon! Did they really? That's wild as hell. When did they do that?


>>3. ...general statement
>>
>
>I thought it was just okay then, and my opinion hasn't
>changed
>I wish Ye would've let RJD2 get some spots on there like he
>was campaigning to do but we all know why that didn't happen

I actually don't?


>as much as people praise the last song I pretty much find that
>beat to be just okay, and a perfect example of 3 words making
>an okay beat great when put in front of it ("produced by
>J-Dilla")

I agree. I like the song but people act like it's the greatest song ever made but I find it to be just pretty good.

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97. "RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?"
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>C'mon! Did they really? That's wild as hell. When did they do
>that?
>

when the next one came out and reviewed it, they said they jumped the gun on Be and that it wasn't classic
they said it before in a sidebar somewhere before that


>I actually don't?
>

because Ye wanted the credit for Comm's 'comeback' on a production level


>I agree. I like the song but people act like it's the greatest
>song ever made but I find it to be just pretty good.
>

no doubt
I like it too but it's not home baked bread on wax or anything

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87. "Intro song wayyyyy more overrated"
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Maybe your exposure to the lesson's opinion is getting to you, but not many people praise it's your world like they do for the Be Intro. I for one think that the Dilla beats completely outclass anything else on the album. But people lose their shit over the intro even though it's kinda corny if you ask me.

  

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98. "RE: Intro song wayyyyy more overrated"
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>Maybe your exposure to the lesson's opinion is getting to
>you, but not many people praise it's your world like they do
>for the Be Intro.

my opinion goes double for the intro


I for one think that the Dilla beats
>completely outclass anything else on the album. But people
>lose their shit over the intro even though it's kinda corny if
>you ask me.

the only song I go back to on that album is Love Is, and you're exactly right about that damn intro
iont give a fuck about Comm playing a violin

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100. "Comm played the violin on that?"
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I didn't know that either.

For the record I fuckin love that track.

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103. "iont know about the track itself"
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but he was doing promo and playing it on a violin for people getting stuff signed
saw a girl bring her shit in and he played it for her and I found out later that he was doing it pretty much everywhere

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89. "wait...whats up with the RJD2 thing? That would be a great "
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look for Common now to switch it up...

  

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99. "from what he said in Scratch"
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he sent submissions for Be and never got a repsonse
if Dilla can only get 3 spots (two coproductions) then that pretty much tells you what kind of black hole those sessions were for outsiders

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101. "Damn"
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RJD2 was killin it during that time period, too.

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102. "yessir that would've been a good thing for both of them"
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hewas monsterizing everything he touched back then

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75. "RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?"
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>1. Is it a great LP or classic?

I'd call it a very good lp - near great, but not near classic.

I think it's saved by its brevity. I can pop it in and listen all the way through with little issue, even if I'm not wild about half of the album. It's short enough that I'll wait through the less-stellar tracks to get to the top-notch stuff (i.e., I'll wait through Faithful and Testify to get to Chi City). Like others, I think The Food really messes with the album's momentum - it couldn't be in a worst spot, as Chi City, Real People, and They Say sound great together back-to-back.

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78. "RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?"
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>1. Is it a great LP or classic?

good not classic

>2. Where does it rank among Common LP's

LWFC @@@@@
Resurrection @@@@@
EC @@@@ 1/2
ODIAMS @@@@ 1/2
BE @@@ 1/2
CIBAD @@@ 1/2
TD/TB @@@ 1/2
FF @@@
UMC @

>3. ...general statement

over-rated at the time because of the derth of quality rap albums that were mainstream AND "conscious". he regressed artisitically because of the dumb ass backlash against EC, and it literally set up the Common we are dealing with now. It still has great moments such as the Intro

  

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79. "RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?"
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Be was the shit..and still is the shit!!

first album i heard from Common was LWFC..i couldnt stand that shit..but when i heard the corner..or Go..classic hiphop!!

Big swing swing with bangers and thing thingers Soul glo zinging all over the ring finger

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80. "RE: Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up?"
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>Looking back at Common's "BE": Did it hold up? I loved the LP
>when it dropped. I still like it alot now. With all of the
>hype gone and years to look back, what are your 2012 thoughts
>of "BE"
>
>1. Is it a great LP or classic?
>2. Where does it rank among Common LP's
>3. ...general statement
>
>Peace

1. It's a great LP 8.5/10
2. After Ressurection and LWFC
3. When it came out I thought it was one of the best albums ive ever heard. i was 15 at the time and played it all summer it was amazing. It's still very good, but songs like "Real People" "They Say" "Testify" are kinda wack to me now.

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85. "I still rock it, but i edited like shit, though"
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I put on the studio version of the food (how they left off that last verse is crazy to me, cuz Com killed it), the jazzanova remix of go, and some extra outtakes.

It's your world and the food (studio version) are by far the stand outs, though

  

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88. "RE: I still rock it, but i edited like shit, though"
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yeah, Common killed that last verse. People diss the Food but it was a dope song to me..

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k0la
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90. "when it first came out, i used to jam it on the constant..."
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...but now i hardly have any desire to check for it. i mean, it definitely had some standout tracks like "chi city", "it's your world", "they say", and "real people", and the intro track, "love is..." and "the corner" were really good. but the inclusion of the chapelle's version of "the food", and lame-ish tracks like "faithful" and "testify" bring it down. and common is on-off throughout.

i'd still call "be" a solid album, but it just hasn't matured well. man, i didn't even like the new one with no i.d. that much outside a couple tracks. i know common can still rip a verse, but i hope, if he releases another joint, he goes just in.



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Thanes1975
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91. "RE: when it first came out, i used to jam it on the constant..."
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I agree 100%

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come on people
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94. "soft, boring album."
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it put me to sleep back then
i'm not interested in re-visiting it
EC had better rhymes
finding forever had better production
it's at turns lazy, corny, and cheesy
and i was really weirded out by the acclaim
folks who did NOT listen to common
talkin' about "i love BE, great album"

*shrug*

i guess it wasn't for me to enjoy
because i surely didn't

i guess "faithful" is a nice rap wedding song if your copy of "the light" is scratched or the file is corrupted.

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Thanes1975
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96. "RE: soft, boring album."
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LOL

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kysersozey
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106. "Dope album and one of my favorites... I still listen to it."
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