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"Big GhostFase says that Doggystyle is the most ageless Hip Hop album of ..."


          

y'all agree?

  

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If you don't think G-Funk is a dated sound then yes it's true
Apr 07th 2012
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it's the album with the same beat at least 3x
Apr 07th 2012
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http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/18205767/images/1330912219...
Apr 07th 2012
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Your SN makes this post awesome.
Apr 08th 2012
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^^^ powerful posting
Apr 08th 2012
7
this reply, the user name, everything.... classic
Apr 08th 2012
9
Lol-Seriously, what was up with that?
Apr 09th 2012
13
Yes it did...the bassline bounces a bit more but it's still the knee
Apr 09th 2012
15
And then he used it again...
Apr 09th 2012
16
It's replayed, but it's still the Knee Deep sample.
Apr 09th 2012
18
      It's not the same. Similar progression
Apr 10th 2012
34
           It's the same. I play bass. Here it is:
Apr 10th 2012
35
                Nice breakdown.
Apr 10th 2012
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                Yeah, you're right. They were probably all replayed.
Apr 10th 2012
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                I play as well.
Apr 11th 2012
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RE: it's the album with the same beat at least 3x
Apr 09th 2012
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RE: it's the album with the same beat at least 3x
Apr 09th 2012
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      Oh shut the entire fuck up.
Apr 09th 2012
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           U Mad?
Apr 09th 2012
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                U special needs?
Apr 09th 2012
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Nope. Liquid Swords.
Apr 07th 2012
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i would say its up there
Apr 07th 2012
4
It's my fav album ever, so....yep
Apr 08th 2012
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Other than "aint no fun" and "G's up", fuck that album
Apr 08th 2012
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RE: Other than "aint no fun" and "G's up", fuck that album
Apr 09th 2012
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      I love g-funk as much as any other westsider
Apr 09th 2012
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           I always thought Daz was better than
Apr 09th 2012
30
                you gotta have money tracks and big time hits
Apr 09th 2012
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                It's so disappointing cause Daz STILL makes banging beats.
Apr 10th 2012
40
It's better to say Ain't No Fun is the most ageless beat of all time
Apr 08th 2012
11
I'd put ATLiens and Aquemini up there also
Apr 08th 2012
12
yea.. both of these are very very very good choices..
Apr 09th 2012
17
Rosa Parks sounds mad dated to me
Apr 09th 2012
20
Sure if he's talking post Raising Hell
Apr 09th 2012
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By the way, when/where did Ghost say this?
Apr 09th 2012
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twitter
Apr 09th 2012
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ITS NOT GHOST
Apr 10th 2012
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      Well yea, that was my next question...
Apr 10th 2012
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      lol...
Apr 10th 2012
36
production still holds up real well
Apr 09th 2012
27
Ridin Dirty has to be up there too.
Apr 10th 2012
37
Wu-Tang Forever!
Apr 10th 2012
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i identify that album so heavily with thanksgiving '93
Apr 10th 2012
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zuma1986
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1. "If you don't think G-Funk is a dated sound then yes it's true"
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The only song I think sounds a little dated is "Gz up, Hoes down". Doesn't sound as full (Even though the sample is pretty epic) as the the rest as the album. Songs like "Ain't No Fun" and "Doggy Dogg World" are probably the best examples of how fresh it sounds still, both could easily be made today.

  

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2. "it's the album with the same beat at least 3x"
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g funk intro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulw6tL7I6QE

who am i
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbI2TS0fW4Q

doggy dogg world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyGdhvtklc8

and worst thing was dre already used it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz0s8aA8Nfg&feature=fvst


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5. "http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/18205767/images/1330912219..."
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http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/18205767/images/1330912219544.gif

  

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6. "Your SN makes this post awesome."
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7. "^^^ powerful posting"
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9. "this reply, the user name, everything.... classic"
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cause this was a serious though. Dre loved that little segment of "Knee Deep".

  

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13. "Lol-Seriously, what was up with that?"
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Doggy Dog World didn't use the same beat though...


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15. "Yes it did...the bassline bounces a bit more but it's still the knee"
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deep jack.

  

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16. "And then he used it again..."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVv4IdGtcNw

But, to be fair, outside of the Knee Deep bassline, each beat was really pretty different. One of the beautiful things about early-to-mid-90s Dre beats was how many different elements they each had. There was always so much going on in his beats. So while it's easy for us to pick out the bassline because we care enough, I don't think it's something that ruins any of those beats. In fact they're all pretty great.

Oh, and Doggy Dogg World didn't use that same sample.

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18. "It's replayed, but it's still the Knee Deep sample."
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There are just just extra notes added in the bass line, still the same groove.

  

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34. "It's not the same. Similar progression"
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But completely different bassline.



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35. "It's the same. I play bass. Here it is:"
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Take out the extra notes from the bassline and you have four main notes. Each take up two beats, and the third (Bb) is delayed and comes on the two of the second measure.

D C | Bb A |

In numbers, you have 1, 7, 6, 5 (minor key).

You don't really even need numbers because Knee Deep is in the same key. The jacked bass line is the same four basic notes (D, C, Bb, A), with the Bb delayed. Dre Day takes the same thing down to the key of C (C, Bb, Ab, G). What's My Name is the same thing taken down to B (B, A, Gb, E). G Funk Intro is the same thing but in Db (Db, B, A, Ab).

Doggy Dogg World sounds the most different because it isn't sampled, it's replayed. And whoever replayed it added a couple extra notes in between the progression (probably to try to make it sound a bit different), but it's still the Knee Deep bass line.

  

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38. "Nice breakdown."
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That said tho, I think that each one of them was replayed...there's some different elements to the bassline in Dre Day as well, especially near the end of the song where the pitch seems to go up and down rapidly which does not appear to be a direct jack from the song.

But again...good breakdown. Always good to get some firsthand knowledge.

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39. "Yeah, you're right. They were probably all replayed."
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But the first three were made with that same kind of sound (that Knee Deep key bass) and they don't have as many extra notes in the loop so they are definitely more recognizable.

  

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43. "I play as well."
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>Take out the extra notes from the bassline and you have four
>main notes. Each take up two beats, and the third (Bb) is
>delayed and comes on the two of the second measure.
>
>D C | Bb A |
>
>In numbers, you have 1, 7, 6, 5 (minor key).
>
>You don't really even need numbers because Knee Deep is in the
>same key. The jacked bass line is the same four basic notes
>(D, C, Bb, A), with the Bb delayed. Dre Day takes the same
>thing down to the key of C (C, Bb, Ab, G). What's My Name is
>the same thing taken down to B (B, A, Gb, E). G Funk Intro is
>the same thing but in Db (Db, B, A, Ab).
>
>Doggy Dogg World sounds the most different because it isn't
>sampled, it's replayed. And whoever replayed it added a couple
>extra notes in between the progression (probably to try to
>make it sound a bit different), but it's still the Knee Deep
>bass line.

They're all replayed. That was Dre's steez.


And while I appreciate you writing it all out (way better than I could have done btw-lol) as a bass player, you know better than anybody that those "extra" notes are kinda important.

Like i said, it's a similar progression so the bassline will be similar as well, but it's still not the 'Knee Deep' bassline.

It's like Don't Stop Believing vs With or Without You. Same progression, different everything else.

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22. "RE: it's the album with the same beat at least 3x"
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...Ghost is my dude and all that, but he must have been on some good dro when he spoke on that...ish is just ok to me...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

  

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23. "RE: it's the album with the same beat at least 3x"
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But nah man, Dre "The GOAT" he's the best ever. Not just a mere beat- maker but a producer, much like a director. He "changed" hip hop music forever, even today producers are rockin G-Funk non-stop.










>g funk intro
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulw6tL7I6QE
>
>who am i
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbI2TS0fW4Q
>
>doggy dogg world
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyGdhvtklc8
>
>and worst thing was dre already used it
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz0s8aA8Nfg&feature=fvst
>
>
>niggas dont know shit about music...but everybody think they
>do

  

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25. "Oh shut the entire fuck up."
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28. "U Mad?"
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29. "U special needs?"
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3. "Nope. Liquid Swords. "
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post over. lol

  

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4. "i would say its up there"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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8. "It's my fav album ever, so....yep"
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10. "Other than "aint no fun" and "G's up", fuck that album"
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Way too hyped, I enjoyed Dogg Food more.

Shit I enjoyed Blue Carpet Treatment more.

  

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24. "RE: Other than "aint no fun" and "G's up", fuck that album"
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Dr. Dre is the GOAT his changed hip hop music, you can here G-Funk even today. Not just a producer but a conductor. His greatest can not be question.




>Way too hyped, I enjoyed Dogg Food more.
>
>Shit I enjoyed Blue Carpet Treatment more.

  

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26. "I love g-funk as much as any other westsider"
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I just prefer Dogg Food yo

  

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30. "I always thought Daz was better than"
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Dre back then and even today I enjoy his 90's work far more. But because he doesn't have major label backing, units sold, and name recognition he get over shadowed by Dre.

Plus Dre is a hell of a A&R. Most people will bring up the fact he "discovered" or put other artist on as factor to his "greatness" behind the boards

Daz

DJ Quik

Ants Banks

Battlecat

All have production that stood the test of time. Just dont' have that mainstream radio Top 40 hits like Dre did.

  

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31. "you gotta have money tracks and big time hits"
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that is the rules of the game in the big picture.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

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40. "It's so disappointing cause Daz STILL makes banging beats."
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11. "It's better to say Ain't No Fun is the most ageless beat of all time"
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Others on the album sound pretty dated. Aint no fun though, that shit still knocks in the club twenty fuckin years later. Amazing

  

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12. "I'd put ATLiens and Aquemini up there also"
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17. "yea.. both of these are very very very good choices.. "
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i'm gonna throw Supreme Clientele in the hat as well... granted, it's only like 12 years old, so, admittedly, it might be hard to tell now.. but that shit isn't trendy in the slightest.. all of the tracks still sound fresh to me.. and if it dropped today, i wouldn't think it's a re-hash of an older time..

  

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20. "Rosa Parks sounds mad dated to me"
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14. "Sure if he's talking post Raising Hell"
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Lies run sprints.
Truths run marathons.

  

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19. "By the way, when/where did Ghost say this?"
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21. "twitter"
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32. "ITS NOT GHOST"
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and i wish people would stop passing it off like it is.




"BigGhostface" is NOT the rapper Ghostface. It's some dude using the name to get noticed.



AND IT'S STUPID

  

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33. "Well yea, that was my next question..."
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whether we were talking about the real Ghost or the fake one...thanks for clarifying.

And no, it's not stupid. BigGhost NAHMEAN is hilarious.

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i was gonna say... yall DO know thats just some dude right?

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27. "production still holds up real well"
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some of the songs sound like the time, however on a whole its up there and left a lasting impact. IMO Dre and Snoop were unstoppable and they should have been the Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones of Hip Hop IMO

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

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37. "Ridin Dirty has to be up there too."
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It might be THE most soulful hip-hop album ever.

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41. "Wu-Tang Forever!"
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Yes a bit harsher than some of the laid back albums listed, but everytime I revisit this album I'm always amazed.

I think I'm always going to bump this album until I die, wait.. in the future there won't be old age.. so i will bump this forever!

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42. "i identify that album so heavily with thanksgiving '93"
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that it can't help but be "dated" to me.

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