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bucknchange
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"has jay taken the backseat on both 'big' collabs projects?"


  

          

best of both worlds:
kelz sang the hooks and it was mostly trackmasters, who were into kelz at the time (fiesta),

watch the throne:
basically a 'mdtf-style' production approach w/ ye basically molding the musical background

jay kinda shows up and delivers a verse on both, right?
no diss.
he'll probably take control when his beyjay album actually happens

  

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ohhhh yes.
Apr 06th 2012
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of course. hov's a rapper not an artist.
Apr 06th 2012
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Wait, what? A rapper ain't an artist?
Apr 08th 2012
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He's not a producer at all, while Kanye and Kells both produce
Apr 06th 2012
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There's an interview with Youn Guru
Apr 06th 2012
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It's weird people
Apr 07th 2012
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but Kanye directed the sound
Apr 07th 2012
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      I mean what did people expect Kanye's the producer
Apr 07th 2012
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they arent really gonna call it beejay are they?
Apr 07th 2012
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Shit, I hope so. She should give dude a BJ on the album cover.
Apr 07th 2012
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      LMAO
Apr 08th 2012
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he is always the sidekick
Apr 07th 2012
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So the Linkin Park album doesn't count?
Apr 07th 2012
10
never heard it, but thought that was a 'mashup'
Apr 07th 2012
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he clearly took the backseat on that also
Apr 08th 2012
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that was mainly mike shinoda remixing tracks
Apr 08th 2012
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yeah but he made sure it wasn't going in the HAM direction
Apr 07th 2012
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right? i NEED living so italian in my life
Apr 07th 2012
14
But I assume that's the point of the project. Him out of his element
Apr 08th 2012
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I've learned the Jay doesn't mind passing the baton, sometimes.
Apr 08th 2012
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who gon stop me is one of the crazy records tho
Apr 08th 2012
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yea who gon stop me and niggaz in paris is def kanye
Apr 08th 2012
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RE: I've learned the Jay doesn't mind passing the baton, sometimes.
Apr 08th 2012
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      if they did videos for them bobw songs
Apr 08th 2012
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      Not to me, it tried HAAAAAAAAAAARD to have club bangers
Apr 09th 2012
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LowOnMyPaper
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1. "ohhhh yes. "
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I can't imagine him taking or even wanting creative control of projects, especially when Ye is more than happy to do just that. His job is to show up, lay verses, and plaster his name on it so it cn sell. maybe give some input on how to make it "hot."

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BrooklynWHAT
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2. "of course. hov's a rapper not an artist. "
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24. "Wait, what? A rapper ain't an artist?"
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3. "He's not a producer at all, while Kanye and Kells both produce "
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and write songs. The only thing Jay writes is lyrics, so besides picking out beats or describing an overall vision, he's not really gonna be involved in the creative direction of a collaborative album.

  

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4. "There's an interview with Youn Guru"
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saying that's exactly what he did on WTT, but if thats taking a backseat these young dudes need to step their game up still.

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5. "It's weird people"
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say that to me because WTT felt more like a Jay album produced by Kanye than a Ye + Jay collab.

Like I hardly remember any of Kanye's verses on there, except for his verses on Who Gon Stop Me, Niggas In Paris, and Murder To Excellence.....

but Jay's just a rapper, so you can't really expect him to create an album that's completely his, all he can do is direct the sound.

  

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9. "but Kanye directed the sound"
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that's why it sounds like a Kanye project featuring Jay

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12. "I mean what did people expect Kanye's the producer"
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but I felt like Jay had significantly more verses that's why it doesn't make sense to me.


  

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6. "they arent really gonna call it beejay are they?"
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8. "Shit, I hope so. She should give dude a BJ on the album cover."
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23. "LMAO"
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7. "he is always the sidekick"
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always has been and always will be. he can't carry no superstar colab project because well he ain't One. he always rides with a bigger act to get that cross over.

R.Kelly

Linkin Park

Beyonce

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10. "So the Linkin Park album doesn't count?"
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bucknchange
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11. "never heard it, but thought that was a 'mashup'"
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& not a collaborative project with new material.
i could be wrong though

  

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15. "he clearly took the backseat on that also"
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18. "that was mainly mike shinoda remixing tracks"
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I know there was footage of Jay in the studio but it's not like he spit new verses or anything (or if he did, they made up like 4% of the EP)

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13. "yeah but he made sure it wasn't going in the HAM direction"
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I want to hear some of them songs that was "too big" lol.

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14. "right? i NEED living so italian in my life "
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16. "But I assume that's the point of the project. Him out of his element"
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I mean otherwise he should stick to Jay-z albums. Look at Distant Relatives, although I'm sure Nas helped craft the album it definitely felt like the Marleys had a larger part in shaping the album.

  

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17. "I've learned the Jay doesn't mind passing the baton, sometimes."
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Like yeah he did let Ye control most of WTT.....until it was about to drop. I remember Jay saying that alot of the songs that didn't make it (I assume the version that was gonna be when HAM dropped) was "too complex"...then all the songs they made afterward felt like Jay songs "Murder To Excellence" "Otis" "Who Gon' Stop Me".

BOBW....trackmasters were in charge. Which is 1 of the reasons that album failed.

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19. "who gon stop me is one of the crazy records tho"
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i wouldnt expect jay to make something like that. or niggas in paris.

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21. "yea who gon stop me and niggaz in paris is def kanye"
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jay wanted to call it ball so hard but Kanye had the right idea.

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20. "RE: I've learned the Jay doesn't mind passing the baton, sometimes."
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You think Trackmasters messed that up? There were bangers on there! Club classics to me.

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22. "if they did videos for them bobw songs"
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it would've been huge
radio was already playing "body" & "get this money" where i was at

  

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25. "Not to me, it tried HAAAAAAAAAAARD to have club bangers"
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Only one that still goes is really "Take you home" or whatev. Honey and some of those songs were cool on some 10:45, I'm still at the bar drinkin, but they were aiming to make an entire album of "Fiesta (remix)" and barely anything on the album would have been as big, even without Pissgate killin it all.

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