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david bammer
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Thu Apr-05-12 10:16 PM

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"madlib, not jay dee, was the howard roark of beatmaking."


  

          

  

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And you must be the Howark Roark of poasting.
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^complete and concise
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who is Howard Roark ?
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my main question:
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      RE: my main question:
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      no, no, no.
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      RE: my main question:
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           by Madlib?
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           RE: my main question:
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                id agrree w/ da bammer on this
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                     well, if this is a 'fan perception' thing
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                          to me...lib is to miles as dilla is to trane..
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                               I ain't mad at that
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                               That's probably accurate
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cidolfas
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Thu Apr-05-12 11:22 PM

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1. "And you must be the Howark Roark of poasting."
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AlBundy
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Thu Apr-05-12 11:43 PM

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2. "^complete and concise"
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3d1gg4
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Fri Apr-06-12 06:38 AM

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3. "who is Howard Roark ?"
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*googles*
find! :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fountainhead#Howard_Roark

uh ok
and why 'was' ?

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Dr Claw
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Fri Apr-06-12 08:10 AM

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4. "my main question:"
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who said Jay Dee was the "Howard Roark" of anything?
I think real fans know that he was scratching to get more high-profile work more than anyone else. A lot of his closest associates have said as much. Why do you think ?uest basically built the church? LOL

Especially compared to Madlib, who seems more than content to do what the hell he wants on Stones Throw, and still make a living off it.

I'm interested in seeing bammer's take on this.

(and why he decided to cite a character in a book written by The Queen of American Assholia, albeit before she disappeared into her own colon)

  

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AlBundy
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Fri Apr-06-12 10:02 AM

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5. "RE: my main question:"
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>A lot of his closest
>associates have said as much. Why do you think ?uest basically
>built the church? LOL

All of his closest associates directly claim the exact opposite.
So you think he told ?uest he wanted to get on, and ?uest threw a switch? LOL


  

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Dr Claw
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Fri Apr-06-12 01:21 PM

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7. "no, no, no."
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>So you think he told ?uest he wanted to get on, and ?uest
>threw a switch? LOL

the idea is that ?uest advocated for him often as "that dude" because a lot of people were like "huh?" about him and his work for a long while or dumb shit like blaming him for the demise of Tribe... up until about 2002 or so.

I never really got the idea that Dilla was the kind of dude implied by this post. at least intentionally.

Madlib, on the other end... nearly every write up of him (and really, the work he's put out commercially) tends to suggest that sort of image.

in short, this post is weird.

  

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david bammer
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Fri Apr-06-12 01:21 PM

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6. "RE: my main question:"
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Fri Apr-06-12 01:34 PM by david bammer

  

          

>who said Jay Dee was the "Howard Roark" of anything?
>I think real fans know that he was scratching to get more
>high-profile work more than anyone else. A lot of his closest
>associates have said as much. Why do you think ?uest basically
>built the church? LOL

i feel a lot of the praise that jay dee has gotten and the rationale behind the accolades he has been given since his death is probably more aptly deserved.

of course, "you know who" has never shied away from exaggerated hyperbole to pitch something to the rap collective conscious even at the expense of marring his own "expertise".

imo, many of "the best" beatmakers had their own private realization about madlib in the 00's.
and a resulting feeling of threatened fear that could only be masked by a sort of feigned outward expression of mild amusement mixed with indifference when forced to acknowledge the existence of his work.

i'm reminded of howard roark.

  

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Dr Claw
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8. "by Madlib?"
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>i feel a lot of the praise that jay dee has gotten and the
>rationale behind the accolades he has been given since his
>death is probably more aptly deserved.

I don't disagree.
Dilla was on a certain kind of roll in the years before he died (2003-05). at least the stuff that was leaking was really starting to bring the "exaggerated hyperbole" around full circle (IMO).

but I also thought that some of that work (Donuts, in particular) reminded me of something Madlib would do (and had been doing for a while). So it was kind of cool to see him sort of really transition from one style to the next over the years.

>of course, "you know who" has never shied away from
>exaggerated hyperbole to pitch something to the rap collective
>conscious even at the expense of marring his own "expertise".

  

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PCProductions
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Fri Apr-06-12 06:02 PM

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9. "RE: my main question:"
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>imo, many of "the best" beatmakers had their own private
>realization about madlib in the 00's.
>and a resulting feeling of threatened fear that could only be
>masked by a sort of feigned outward expression of mild
>amusement mixed with indifference when forced to acknowledge
>the existence of his work.

I'm having trouble understanding this. Are you saying that people are pretending not to be hyper-impressed with Madlib's work due to just how much better he is than his peers?

  

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philpot
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Fri Apr-06-12 06:58 PM

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10. "id agrree w/ da bammer on this "
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>I'm having trouble understanding this. Are you saying that
>people are pretending not to be hyper-impressed with Madlib's
>work due to just how much better he is than his peers?

cats dont want it, same way folks claim they the beat MC but when/if MOS DEF call them out....SILENCE

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Dr Claw
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Fri Apr-06-12 07:01 PM

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11. "well, if this is a 'fan perception' thing"
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>>I'm having trouble understanding this. Are you saying that
>>people are pretending not to be hyper-impressed with
>Madlib's
>>work due to just how much better he is than his peers?
>
>cats dont want it, same way folks claim they the beat MC but
>when/if MOS DEF call them out....SILENCE

I'm inclined to agree. and really, I do agree with the premise of this post as it is.

Madlib is one of my favorite artists, because he's such a rarity (especially today). but he's especially good at what he does. what he's doing in 2010, 2011, 2012 doesn't remind me at all of the shit he was doing in 1999, 2000... yet it sounds like him.

I remember DarkStar came very close to calling him the Zappa of Hip-Hop, and when he freakin' sampled Zappa on Madvillain? SHEEEEEEEEEEEEIT.

Madlib was my hero back in the early '00s. he wasn't just talking about dream projects... the muhfucka was DOIN IT.


  

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philpot
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Fri Apr-06-12 07:08 PM

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12. "to me...lib is to miles as dilla is to trane.."
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Fri Apr-06-12 07:10 PM by philpot

  

          

ill leave it to you guys to parse that out or what have you

also, let me say my BELIEF is that lib can do ANYTHING that any other producer can do if chosen

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13. "I ain't mad at that"
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>ill leave it to you guys to parse that out or what have you

  

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PCProductions
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14. "That's probably accurate"
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The reason I miss Dilla so much is that he was the only one who actually competed with Madlib. I feel like Lib is kinda... on his own now, no inspiration or anyone to look up to.

They were so even yet so different. Like they did NOT sound like each other. Even on Donuts, which is primarily influenced by the beat kondukta, has Dilla doing it his own way.

  

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