david bammer Member since Jun 20th 2010 4467 posts
Sun Apr-01-12 01:51 PM
"songs/beats you honestly believe were created in a few minutes." Sun Apr-01-12 02:07 PM by david bammer
i remember reading somewhere that steve miller once joked that "abracadabra" took less than 10 minutes to write and wound up becoming his most popular song and more popular than any of the songs he "tried" on.
if you listen to it you can tell that it obviously was a haphazard concoction.
but what are some songs you have noticed are so sloppy or rudimentary or just thrown together than you doubt the author spent any additional time on the piece beyond what it took to throw the basic skeleton for it together?
david bammer Member since Jun 20th 2010 4467 posts
Sun Apr-01-12 01:55 PM
1. "everything by the neptunes 1998-2001" In response to Reply # 0
i LIKE a lot of these songs because they represent portions in time that i was alive on this planet in my own memory. but i have to call it how it is... the neptunes beats during this period were all skeletal demos compared to what could have been done with them. in my heart of hearts i believe the neptunes during this period just came up with something 1-4 bars long, a new element or instrument introduced in the hook - looped it and were on to the next million dollars.
14. "Gotta quibble with that just a bit ..." In response to Reply # 1
Are we factoring in the hooks they were writing? Or the verses for the R&B songs? Or sometimes their tinkering with even the rap verses (like with ODB)?
I mean, a bunch of those beats are mad skeletal, but it seemed like the beginning of a process with the Neptunes. Particularly the R&B stuff.
Now, their Tidewater kin Timbo seemed to be lapsing into that "beat done, onto the next" mode in this same period.
david bammer Member since Jun 20th 2010 4467 posts
Sun Apr-01-12 02:18 PM
6. "RE: before we... i mean i... go any further... a theory relating to his..." In response to Reply # 4 Sun Apr-01-12 02:25 PM by david bammer
>imo, when people can in their own head put together the pieces >it's like a magician performing in front of a crowd that knows >how he does his tricks.
that is... UNLESS you are physically attractive or stylish and exposed enough to melt away the cynicism regardless of how just it might be.
this exception stands as per my... talent/style/exposure - model but that's another thread for nobody to read.
7. "Hence the putdown, "I could do that"" In response to Reply # 4 Sun Apr-01-12 02:33 PM by Stringer Bell
Even aspiring musicians say this which is baffling.
EDIT: I just thought of the best example of this, abstract art. A lot of people can't get past the fact that Jackson Pollack, "just threw paint at the canvas, I could do that." Judging and appreciating art is for better or worse largely about awe and admiration for the skill of the artist.
david bammer Member since Jun 20th 2010 4467 posts
Sun Apr-01-12 03:07 PM
10. "RE: Hence the putdown, "I could do that"" In response to Reply # 7 Sun Apr-01-12 03:11 PM by david bammer
>EDIT: I just thought of the best example of this, abstract >art. A lot of people can't get past the fact that Jackson >Pollack, "just threw paint at the canvas, I could do that." >Judging and appreciating art is for better or worse largely >about awe and admiration for the skill of the artist.
well, jackson pollock sort of fits into the talent/style/exposure model i touched on. that model being most artists either have 1 or 2 but not all 3 simultaneously in equal proportion. in the art world, jackson pollock is very romanticized for his greenwich village lifestyle, the other "artistes" he associated and drank with at famous nightspots in the 40's/50's, etc. the celebrity of "jackson pollock - nyc artiste" is just as, if not, more important than his actual body of work and "innovations".
if he had been some guy working in a studio in Wichita, we'd likely have never heard of him or seen any of his work - let alone be the author of the most expensive painting in human history (not sure if that record still stands though). because that just wouldn't be stylish.
it's the same way there are countless bands and other artists from nyc/la/paris/london/etc that we would've never heard about based on their talent alone if they did not have the style/exposure aspects of the t/s/e model working in their favor.
david bammer Member since Jun 20th 2010 4467 posts
Sun Apr-01-12 04:17 PM
20. "RE: he was on a hit song not too long ago" In response to Reply # 18 Sun Apr-01-12 04:19 PM by david bammer
>ass on the floor - dirty money
lol. hit song to who?
dude's famous for his twitter account and spiked $700 sneaker.
all these shitty late 00's/early 10 apperances mean nothing.
and his BIGGEST songs? when's the last time you heard somebody bumpin WWIII? when's the last time you heard somebody bumpin i get high by styles P? (even though he didnt make that beat but was credited)
he's a wash-up. the only thing he has is a twitter account and a recognizable name.
dude's in actuality been producing complete duds for half a decade. and his talent even at the peak of his popularity was reproachable even by his biggest fans.
put his body of work into the grand scheme of music of the last few generations and... the future.. and he's not even worth mentioning.
david bammer Member since Jun 20th 2010 4467 posts
Sun Apr-01-12 06:26 PM
36. "that dropped 6 damn years ago." In response to Reply # 33 Sun Apr-01-12 06:27 PM by david bammer
next youre gonna talk about pharrell still being hot.
swizz beatz is like a more mainstream version of dj premier circa 2005.
hey yall remember me? remember how hot i was a few years ago? please keep giving me work. it wasn't THAT long ago - honest. cardbord sign reads: will talk on your records for small injection of relevancy.
-DJ R-Tistic- Member since Nov 06th 2008 51986 posts
Sun Apr-01-12 05:45 PM
30. "Yep for sure. Plus I used to produce, so I already know" In response to Reply # 28 Sun Apr-01-12 05:46 PM by -DJ R-Tistic-
It's songs I sampled and flipped 3-4 times before saying "THIS IS IT!!" Even songs we hear that sound super easy, simple, bare, may have taken FOREVER just to master that one loop or melody.
55. "this right here..." In response to Reply # 30
>Even songs we hear that sound super easy, >simple, bare, may have taken FOREVER just to master that one >loop or melody.
This took me the LONGEST to figure out. How to make it "sound" proper. The mixdown/mastering process takes so long but in the end it definitely is worth it. I only figured out how to release a proper sounding first mixdown in the past 2-3 years and i'm still improving in that respect.
-DJ R-Tistic- Member since Nov 06th 2008 51986 posts
Sun Apr-01-12 07:21 PM
42. "Ayye got to! Nah people loved it and still do love it" In response to Reply # 38
It took a lil while to catch on, as did "Niggas in Paris" though. The 30+ LOVE it...and it basically has that East Coast anthem energy, where it's not a grindin or ass shakin song like "Ayy ladies" n those are.
25. "rza admitted to having a few of these. don't recall which beats..." In response to Reply # 0
...in particular, but it's not like you can't tell on some rza beats. some of the bobby digital-type ish is just screeching, key/organ stabs or loops, bunch of goofy/eerie sound effects...beat.
With improvisation, I feel that you can improvise and freestyle a damn melody loop, or just a solo on a song, and even though it may have taken you 20 seconds for a 20 second part, the skill that's required for that makes it comical to say "oh he spent 20 seconds on that shit!" if that makes sense.
because thd actual effort it took to do that 20 secs involves countless time practicing, etc.
like dj'ing, u can prolly throw a quick mix together thats great but w/o the years of perfecting ur skill, not doing it, but some ppl still be like "oh he's just playing some records"
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-DJ R-Tistic- Member since Nov 06th 2008 51986 posts
Sun Apr-01-12 07:24 PM
44. "Yep, that's definitely how it is too" In response to Reply # 34
The best example production wise is when you as a producer walk in when somebody is working on a beat, and you end up co-producing it, just because your mind will be in a different place creatively.
One person may spend 4-5 hours just figuring out...do I like this bassline? Is this snare right? Should I use this part of the sample? And somebody else can walk in and IMMEDIATELY say "hold up...drop the second note of the bass...take the hi hat out...now add a clap to that second snare...." within a minute, and then it's like oh shit...the beat is COMPLETE!
So when I see these posts about how "that beat took 2 minutes" it's like "well could YOUUUU make it in 2 minutes?"
sweeneykovar Member since Oct 26th 2004 10122 posts
Mon Apr-02-12 01:04 AM
48. "MAJORITY. not all. " In response to Reply # 43 Mon Apr-02-12 01:13 AM by sweeneykovar
if those 20 something beats took two years theres a shitton more than took 15 minutes by various first hand accounts, not just house shoes. I have conducted interviews with Denaun Porter and Amp Fiddler stating pretty much the same thing.
49. "would you mind uploading such" In response to Reply # 48
an interview? not for the sake of discussion/arguments but just for insight in Dil's production.. there arent as musch insightfull innerviews about this particular topic *cept for 15's archive posts*
its part of some shit from Jay E's South Africa trip from 2011 and that's not my property to distribute unless I get the green light from mr. jayelectstopthepress
-DJ R-Tistic- Member since Nov 06th 2008 51986 posts
Sun Apr-01-12 08:33 PM
47. "Yea they are layered like a mafucka. That's why it's so much energy" In response to Reply # 46
Even though a lot of that energy is drums...but BMF? That shit is cinematic as hell, I think 75 year old white guys would like it if they heard it in a movie
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