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atruhead
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"Nicki Minaj: Roman Reloaded discussion."


  

          

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i'm afraid.
Mar 28th 2012
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http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m17trd2qha1qzy8i7o1_500.gif
Mar 28th 2012
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lmao
Mar 28th 2012
3
LOL classic
Mar 28th 2012
thass it.
Mar 28th 2012
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I'm sure I'll agree, but this shit is gonna sell like hot cakes
Mar 28th 2012
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LMFAO
Mar 28th 2012
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lmao.
Mar 28th 2012
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YES!
Mar 28th 2012
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beautiful
Mar 28th 2012
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:)
Mar 28th 2012
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LOL
Mar 28th 2012
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more cheese... lots & lots of cheese.
Mar 28th 2012
4
I hate the second half of this record...I want the old Nicki back.
Mar 28th 2012
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i downloaded all the ones that looked like rap songs
Mar 28th 2012
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I'm def gonna check it out. The title track with Wayne is decent
Mar 28th 2012
11
Ross and Nas
Mar 28th 2012
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its all trash. damn this is terrible.
Mar 28th 2012
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I only listened to the Nas song
Mar 28th 2012
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I know this is stating the obvious, but this is some awful shit lol
Mar 28th 2012
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it went into the recycle bin 9 songs in
Mar 29th 2012
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see you miss a whole another album lol
Mar 29th 2012
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I've listened to it 3 times now...
Mar 29th 2012
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masochist?
Mar 29th 2012
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why does Jeezy sound like hes on the brink of emphysema?
Mar 29th 2012
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sounds like david bammer won.
Mar 29th 2012
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RE: sounds like david bammer won.
Mar 29th 2012
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      the post that basically laid out Minaj
Mar 29th 2012
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           RE: the post that basically laid out Minaj
Mar 29th 2012
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http://oi43.tinypic.com/2r5ti7s.jpg
Mar 29th 2012
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for some reason even the tiitle of this post reads like snark
Mar 29th 2012
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base
Mar 31st 2012
33
As said...the EDM side of it SUCKS. Rap side isn't bad, just no
Mar 31st 2012
31
Champion's dope.
Mar 31st 2012
32
You liked "Your Love" fam? Really lol?
Apr 01st 2012
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      I personally didn't like it, but I recognize the appeal to it
Apr 01st 2012
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Fire Burns is dope. It's the Save Me of this album.
Mar 31st 2012
34
yea, Save Me was that shit lowkey
Apr 01st 2012
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Birdman has said he doesn't tell his artists what to do
Apr 01st 2012
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      birdman don't know what these new kids listen too
Apr 01st 2012
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Yea for the type song it is, I actually fux with it
Apr 01st 2012
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yea I do like that one
Apr 01st 2012
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RE: Nicki Minaj: Roman Reloaded discussion.
Apr 01st 2012
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shitted on em
Apr 02nd 2012
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Sums it up perfectly
Apr 02nd 2012
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bucknchange
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1. "i'm afraid."
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2. "http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m17trd2qha1qzy8i7o1_500.gif"
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3. "lmao"
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"LOL classic"


  

          

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5. "thass it."
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fuck you.

  

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6. "I'm sure I'll agree, but this shit is gonna sell like hot cakes"
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That AWFUL Starships track is gonna be one of the biggest singles of the year it looks like.

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8. "LMFAO"
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10. "lmao."
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12. "YES!"
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18. ":)"
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19. "LOL"
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4. "more cheese... lots & lots of cheese."
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7. "I hate the second half of this record...I want the old Nicki back."
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Just like Kelly Rowland's album this is 2 EP's put together...the rap album is cool "I Am Your Leader" is a hit. I can't get jiggy with the David Guetta shit on the second half....there's 5 songs that sound exactly the same. Like the same producers, writers and topics everything.

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BrooklynWHAT
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9. "i downloaded all the ones that looked like rap songs"
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based off the features just like i did w/ the last one.

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11. "I'm def gonna check it out. The title track with Wayne is decent"
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13. "Ross and Nas"
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had the best verses on this joint

  

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15. "its all trash. damn this is terrible. "
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16. "I only listened to the Nas song"
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And he killed it.

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17. "I know this is stating the obvious, but this is some awful shit lol"
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20. "it went into the recycle bin 9 songs in"
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i rarely just quit on albums either

i wanted her to do well too, but nah

  

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27. "see you miss a whole another album lol"
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it completely goes katy perry pop after track 9

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21. "I've listened to it 3 times now..."
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and yea, this shit is stale. More than a couple of the songs even sound the same.

it takes a muscle.

  

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22. "masochist?"
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23. "why does Jeezy sound like hes on the brink of emphysema?"
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24. "sounds like david bammer won."
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I wish that post wasn't deleted. that shit was classic.

  

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25. "RE: sounds like david bammer won."
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>I wish that post wasn't deleted. that shit was classic.

what post? what did i say?

  

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28. "the post that basically laid out Minaj"
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>what post? what did i say?

as a rapper being marketed to 5 year old (girl)s; and that BET/MTV taking a stand in not playing her newest video was a rare sign of integrity.

it was one of the most hilarious send ups of Nicki I've read.

  

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29. "RE: the post that basically laid out Minaj"
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>>what post? what did i say?
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>as a rapper being marketed to 5 year old (girl)s; and that
>BET/MTV taking a stand in not playing her newest video was a
>rare sign of integrity.
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>it was one of the most hilarious send ups of Nicki I've read.

oh i thought you were talking about the one where i compared her look to peggy bundy.

too hot for OKP.

  

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30. "for some reason even the tiitle of this post reads like snark"
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33. "base"
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31. "As said...the EDM side of it SUCKS. Rap side isn't bad, just no"
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standouts on it. No "Moment for life" "I get crazy" "Did it on em" or "Your love"

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32. "Champion's dope."
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and in a weird way i like Roman Holiday. but i dont fuck with anything else.

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36. "You liked "Your Love" fam? Really lol?"
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There are moments where the old flow emerges, but I found even the mic work to be below par. You can tell her heart is no longer in spitting fire verses, so I suspect this new direction is the beginning of the end as far as me even bothering to click play on any Nick links.

Shit like this makes me respect females rappers like Jean Grae and Rah Digga who just wanna spit bars for days.

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39. "I personally didn't like it, but I recognize the appeal to it"
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I woulda never bumped it and I don't even think I played it in the club but 2-3 times because ladies requested it. But that's what I mean...it's nothing ladies will even request from this one.

Yea I think Nicki is completely lost at this point, and is gonna get caught up in that EDM trap even more than Chris Brown and Usher.

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34. "Fire Burns is dope. It's the Save Me of this album."
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35. "yea, Save Me was that shit lowkey"
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this album is super totally awful, though. this is what happens when a girl gets said yes to too much. life lessons all over the LP.


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37. "Birdman has said he doesn't tell his artists what to do "
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After hearing this shit, maybe he might wanna start being a lil more hands on.

Then again, when it sells half a millie the first week and the singles go double and move a shit load of ringtones, I'm sure he won't wanna break the formula.

It's a shame when a new artist emerges that shows some talent, and gets so far off track from what made you fuck with them in the first place.

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41. "birdman don't know what these new kids listen too"
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he listen to old unreleased tre-8 tapes and shit lol

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40. "Yea for the type song it is, I actually fux with it"
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42. "yea I do like that one"
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38. "RE: Nicki Minaj: Roman Reloaded discussion."
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What a waste of talent...

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43. "shitted on em"
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don't normally share unless it's super positive or negative, figure the sig is what it is © binlahab

but

Pink Friday: Roman Reloaded (Produced by RedOne unless noted) (Young Money Entertainment 2012)

1|Roman Holiday|4:06 (Produced by Blackout Movement) .25 - 1
2|Come on a Cone|3:05 (Produced by Hit-Boy) .25 - 1
3|I Am Your Leader (feat. Cam'ron & Rick Ross)|3:34 (Produced by Hit-Boy) 2.25 - 3
4|Beez in the Trap (feat. 2 Chainz)|4:29 (Produced by Kenoe) 1.25 - 2
5|HOV Lane|3:14 (Producer Unknown) .25 - 1
6|Roman Reloaded (feat. Lil Wayne)|3:17 (Produced by RICO Beats) 1.5 - 2
7|Champion (feat. Nas, Drake & Young Jeezy)|4:56 (Produced by T-Minus) 2 - 2.5
8|Right by My Side (feat. Chris Brown)|4:25 (Produced by Pop & Oak) 1.75 - 2
9|Sex in the Lounge (feat. Lil Wayne & Bobby V)|3:28 (Producer Unknown) .5 - 1
10|Starships|3:31 (Produced by RedOne, Carl Falk & Rami) .5 - 1
11|Pound the Alarm|3:26 2.5 - 3
12|Whip It|3:16 1 - 1.5
This song is something like Monkey's Island in hell.
13|Automatic|3:18 2.25 - 3
14|Beautiful Sinner|3:47 (Produced by RedOne & Alex da Kid) 2.75 - 3
15|Marilyn Monroe|3:16 (Producer Unknown) 3 - 3.25
16|Young Forever|3:07 (Produced by Dr. Luke) 2.25 - 3
17|Fire Burns|3:00 (Producer Unknown) 2
18|Gun Shot (feat. Beenie Man)|4:40 (Produced by Kane Beatz) .5 - 1
19|Stupid Hoe|3:17 (Produced by Tina Dunham) 1 - 1.75
I'm starting to enjoy this song, but thankfully I probably won't hear it again for years.

Overall: 29.75 - 36 1.73/5 31 - 38%: Poor; DON'T EVEN BOTHER

Pink Friday was a weird experience because, on the one hand, Nicki Minaj was undoubtedly talented. A female version of outsized Busta Rhymsian magnificence had never been presented to us before, nor had anyone so charismatically gifted been so willing to distort Lauryn Hill into a vision of Madonna. Pink Friday was an easy album to dislike but it was also one that was hard to ignore; an album track such as "Save Me" seemed to one up everything around it but through constant bombardment in public spaces it was hard to ignore the addictive (ironically, potentially) qualities of singles such as "Right Thru Me" and "Moment 4 Life". Minaj's first album was perhaps more than anything an exercise in refurbishment, as the former New York street rapper was reconfigured into a variety of forms both misshapen (aborted single "Massive Attack") and oddly comfortable ("Your Love"). But it was a track you could only find on the Deluxe Edition, "Superbass", that propelled Minaj into what she's been portrayed to be - namely, pop superstar. And so one might think that cue would be followed to a tee for her sophomore album, but instead many of her biggest previous mistakes are amplified here for the pleasure of an unknowable populace.

In fact, in the build up to Roman Reloaded's release, the word "mistake" has come to define the campaign. Kickstarted by the laughably rhythmless "Stupid Hoe" and dutifully stoked by a woeful Grammy performance of "Roman Holiday", long has Roman Reloaded been expected to be bizarrely fixated on sounding like a train wreck. Release date push backs certainly didn't help either. But to actually experience the release of it, even if just to hear the studio versions of these two much-maligned tracks, is somehow even worse than expected. Every element of Minaj's artistic personality has been pushed to eleven on a blown out amplifier for this album; her delivery is a put on like no other rapper has believed palatable, at many moments to the point it truly feels like Minaj has taken the old mantra that "it's not what you say but how you say it" to a poorly lit basement and performed malpractice surgery on the concept. It's only seven minutes into this CD before Nicki Minaj operatically sings "put my dick in your face", a phrase she'll repeat many more times throughout the Hit-Boy helmed, very poorly titled "Come on a Cone". Thanks to the past few months it's not a complete surprise that this isn't the only surreal, incomprehensible moment on Roman Reloaded, but it's especially jarring following "Roman Holiday", a song with a ridiculous, Millionaires-esque chorus and completely unhinged rendition of "Come All Ye Faithful" wedged awkwardly into the middle. To receive a song that's every bit "Roman Holiday"'s equal immediately after is just, frankly, insane.

Roman Reloaded seems to be the result of no one being brave enough to tell Minaj enough is enough. By doubling down on her cartoonish elements she's lost all remnants of lyrical ingenuity one could have assigned her around the time "Monster" first leaked, let alone her various mixtapes. Roman Reloaded takes great pleasure in emphasizing this awkward lack of accountability as well. While the first half consists of very poorly thought out rap music masquerading as pop, the second half sees Lady Gaga producer RedOne take a leading role on the production end while Minaj sings pop songs that are notable only for their total lack of character. These are songs aiming for the empty sentiments of Chris Brown's Graffiti or Rihanna's Loud, so lacking are they in reasons to believe in them it's a bit shocking to see an entire 40 minutes devoted to them. Minaj has handled herself very capably in previous pop constructs - see "Save Me" or Lil' Wayne's "Knockout" - but here it's all pomp and circumstance. Even then, if the songs were any good, or the performance admirable on any level other than novelty, Roman Reloaded would stand a chance. But Minaj's shrieking and tongue-speaking here is oddly off putting. Listening to Roman Reloaded quite honestly feels like the hype one might feed a pot-smoking sophomore about Syd Barrett's Madcap Laughs, except you actually got the soundtrack to an artist losing their mind rather than a charmingly unhinged pop album. Or more contemporaneously, the audio equivalent of Minaj and Katy Perry's annual attempts to outweird Lady Gaga on the red carpet of the Grammies: pointless and futile.

Being an album whose rap half boasts features from Cam'ron, Nas and Lil' Wayne as well as 2 Chainz' usual dose of pure machismo, there are a few highlights. If "I Am Your Leader" were Minaj-less or "Beez in the Trap" two verses shorter they could find strength in the summer. But, again, conservatism is not what you would come to Roman Reloaded. You're here for an album where Nicki Minaj claims "only thing pop is my endorsements" fifteen minutes before an entire section of boring, trite attempts at playing Katy Perry or Rihanna (particularly "Marilyn Monroe", which comes complete with Rihanna's islander vocal affectations). You're here to listen to a Kool Keith album from his late-2000s dark period as interpreted by your kid sister's Barbie collection; you're here, honestly, because you're an audiomasochist. "Stupid Hoe", infamous for its number of dislikes on Youtube and BET's banning of the video, is dumped at the end of the tracklisting for reasons unknown. One might think it was to admit the song was a mistake but the rest of the album certainly doesn't try to make that case. If it's to remind us that Minaj is a rapper after thirty minutes of frilly, unessential pop music that only succeeds at being far less annoying than Minaj doing what she's marketed for, then I suppose it succeeds. But only insomuch as to put the final nail in the coffin of Minaj's fading hype as a true talent. If Nicki Minaj were Tracy McGrady, this would be the point in her career where her back gives out and she unceremoniously fades from the highlight reels and marque. To quote her Young Money compatriot Drake, Nicki, "I'm just sayin' you could do better. Tell me have you heard that lately?"


1/10

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