I guess noone has the balls to make a "Hip Hop for respect" in 2012

even then tho that movement was barely supported it was on Rawkus..that should say enough right there

hip hop has tradtionally rallyed around causes but as the years go by the collective efforts get weaker and weaker

"Stop the Violence" and "we are in the same game" get clowned now but they ARE needed

PE is played out (sarcasm) but when these issues come up people are tuned in to what he has to say

from

Yusef Hawkins
Rodney King/LA Riots
LA Floods
Stringer Bell
Diallo
to Trayvon it wont stop...hip hop just has stopped careing

sure u get the token songs here and there but they dont do much...Jay's "Minority Report" song sounded as insincere as a Bush apology

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"Good hair"-Uzi

1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

Black-on-Black killing is stronger today Self Destruction
LA Gangs are till killing each other after "All in the Same Gang"

by extension (outside of hiphop)

Ethopians are still starving after We Are the World

we need more than vanity-project type songs

>
>we need more than vanity-project type songs >

I agree. But hip hop wether we acknowledge it or not is the pulse of the youth.

when the youth are too preoccupied to even left a pen and do what they do best i.e. write a song about something then we have a problem

your attitude that songs dont do anything because their are still problems is disgusting. apathy is worse than crack. let that have been your son and Im sure youd be singing a diffrent tune

self destruction and the like are a form of self awareness. if we fail to address the issues that are affecting us than who do you expect to addres them?

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"Good hair"-Uzi

1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

>when the youth are too preoccupied to even left a pen and do
>what they do best i.e. write a song about something then we
>have a problem


I'll just let THAT sit there....

>your attitude that songs dont do anything because their are
>still problems is disgusting.

I *asked* what affect the songs you mentioned had in a practical (not just warm emotionally fuzzy) kinda way. you provided no answer

re: self-awareness

if you're *in* a situation you don't need a song to tell you about it. the fact that you WROTE a song means you are already aware.

I think the songs are (at best) to make others aware - but what good is THAT awareness if it's just emotional and not catalytic to change? (NOTE: THAT IS A QUESTION. If you can refute the premise please do so. Here I'll help you - the popularity of Stevie Wonder's MLK "Happy Birthday" provided and anthem to the pre-existing movement which resulted in the holiday. Dylan's "Hurricane" sparked enough outrage to get the case reopened. The question related to the hip-hop songs should be "is it a song for songs sake" - musical catharsis - or part of a larger effort?)

At WORST these songs can be exploitative of others pain - if the key benefit is you thinking you did something because now people know then it is more about your "good deed" than results. Likewise if the only real change is you making money off the sales (or feeding an organization which is more bureaucratic than effective) then you are now a part of the problem too

>I *asked* what affect the songs you mentioned had in a
>practical (not just warm emotionally fuzzy) kinda way. you
>provided no answer

in the case of Self Destruction and HH for respect proceeds from the song went to benefit the cause and the family of the victim.

what affect are you looking for? Just the fact that an artist is moved to break away from the day to day aspects of his or her life and talk about something that is a benefit to others is an "affect". By your standards one should never intiatiate any activity unless their is a gaurenteed, predetermined outcome to ones likeing.

I get the fact that a song is just that a song. But how do u know that the listener may not beneft more than a messanger? I was introduced to a lot of foreign concepts and people through hip hop. This was of course dureing my formative years and not as an adult. Whose to say that others couldnt have a similar expierence if only the artists bothered to rise above their own vain desires?


>if you're *in* a situation you don't need a song to tell you
>about it. the fact that you WROTE a song means you are already
>aware.>

since you cant see above the purely base entertainment value of music I dont see a need for the conversation to continue.

>I think the songs are (at best) to make others aware - but
>what good is THAT awareness if it's just emotional and not
>catalytic to change?>

every action starts with an internation intention the same way that every tree first starts as a seed.

>
>

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"Good hair"-Uzi

1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

>Black-on-Black killing is stronger today Self Destruction

I don't think the FBI #'s reflect what you're saying.

Violent crime is waaaaaaay down since the eras in
which those songs came out.

Even gang-related crime is down.



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>
>Violent crime is waaaaaaay down since the eras in
>which those songs came out.
>
>Even gang-related crime is down.
>
exactly, particularly gang-related black-on-black crime in Los Angeles.

Now I'm not crediting JJ Fadd, Tone Loc & Humpty Hump for that but if dude was gonna lead off with those two bullet-points at least try to not be completely wrong.

I said the same thing on Twitter last week. There are no more "Fight the Power" or PE level MC's. These dudes are clowns. Chuck D is one of the few artist still all over Twitter and every where else talking about this. You will not see big named MC's step up and make a big song and push it about awarenmess...Those days are over

"Highly developed spirits often encounter resistance from mediocre minds."-Albert Einstein

http://twitter.com/#!/TonyHanesPoetry

>I said the same thing on Twitter last week. There are no more
>"Fight the Power" or PE level MC's. These dudes are clowns.
>Chuck D is one of the few artist still all over Twitter and
>every where else talking about this. You will not see big
>named MC's step up and make a big song and push it about
>awarenmess...Those days are over>

its disgusting and sad. Apathy is going around like the "itis" meanwhile these artists will continue to promote materialisn, drugs and sex like everything is cool. it aint.

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"Good hair"-Uzi

1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

an open rebellion, an economic boycott, a sit in at the lunch counter or even a silent protest

but your an artist who reports/writes about what you see

write about it

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"Good hair"-Uzi

1619 the 1st slaves are brought to American shores
thus begins the phrase “mine is better than yours?” (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

can we believe it can make things better?
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>from
>
>Yusef Hawkins
>Rodney King/LA Riots
>LA Floods
>Stringer Bell
>Diallo
>to Trayvon it wont stop...hip hop just has stopped careing
>
>sure u get the token songs here and there but they dont do
>much...Jay's "Minority Report" song sounded as insincere as a
>Bush apology
>

--

"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

a few seconds trying to recall the Rodney O & Joe Cooley treatise on mudslides.

1938.

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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

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and yeah back in the day cats had something ready and spoke there mind, however nowadays these turkeys only spout off about gadgets.

it has gotten weaker and softer as the time gone by.

it would be a welcoming sight also coming up on the 20 year anniversary of Rodney King verdict as well.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

^^^^^underrated reply

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

How about actually fighting against the monopoly systematic power of government instead of one private citizen who *may* have overstepped his 2nd amendment rights? All this is serving as is an excuse for the government to put more restrictions on our ability to defend ourselves and live free. Why not write a song about the damage that the welfare state or the war on drugs has done instead?

>How about actually fighting against the monopoly systematic
>power of government instead of one private citizen who *may*
>have overstepped his 2nd amendment rights? All this is serving
>as is an excuse for the government to put more restrictions on
>our ability to defend ourselves and live free. Why not write a
>song about the damage that the welfare state or the war on
>drugs has done instead?

people always criticize me for calling people stupid...but do you even know what the 2nd amendment says? "may have overstepped" his 2nd amendment rights?? he killed an unarmed teenager. the 2nd amendment says you have the right to OWN a gun...it don't say that you have a right to USE it at all. not to mention it mostly relates to protection of the HOME.

the 2nd stupid ass thing you said is...all this is serving...blah blah stupid fucking blah

i guess you are not Black...because what it means to Black people first and foremost is that you can be followed, aggressed against and shot for no fucking reason at all and its justifiable in the eyes of the state... and that precedes any govt control u talking bout because this means even private citizens dont have to respect black rights...

now...step away from the computer and go read a book

http://howardlloyd.bandcamp.com

speaking about protecting the 2nd amendment after some guy shoots an unarmed person.

>How about actually fighting against the monopoly systematic
>power of government instead of one private citizen who *may*
>have overstepped his 2nd amendment rights? All this is serving
>as is an excuse for the government to put more restrictions on
>our ability to defend ourselves and live free. Why not write a
>song about the damage that the welfare state or the war on
>drugs has done instead?

the 2nd Amendment isn't in question here
it's the right for an unarmed person to walk anywhere he/she wants without getting shot. that doesn't mean knee jerk gun control. it means that when someone shoots someone off some bullshit, they'll be at the very least arrested and charged.

which didn't happen in this case
and there are a number of reasons that could have contributed to that, which upset many.

"welfare state" is the first mark of anus gazing, then to cover your tracks with "war on drugs" is the sure sign of someone who believes in that faux libertarianism that basically rules the roost in Florida.

There have been quite a few:

Jasari X was first (134,000 views, not bad)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKaJoEyYXyI

Plies (455,000 views)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx34U9Yg_ic

Los (on Bad Boy)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6MdiDlcG0U4

Mos Def and Dead Prez

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54heaNynlfs

and I've seen interviews with everyone from Killer Mike to Immortal Technique speaking on it. Not A level stars but still pretty good. You wouldn't think there were many hip hop songs about Occupy Wall Street in the mainstream either but there were lots from more underground MC's and classic 90's MC's

DaveyD.com or his Twitter is a good place to keep abreast of this kind of stuff. In my opinion hip hop still has a lot to say.

Patrick

here's arguably an A level MC on Trayvon:

http://theangiemartinezshow.com/2012/03/28/nas-stops-by-todays-show-talks-new-album-trayvon-martin-much-more/

Patrick

niggers will bring it up but once it's not the top story, you can forget it (outside of the usual suspects)

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