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Binlahab
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"so, do yall think justin bieber has a shot @ MJ like success?"


  

          

http://www.complex.com/music/2012/03/interview-scooter-braun-talks-about-managing-justin-bieber

personally...i like the kid. i think he's insanely talented. its basically what his camp & he want to do...its possible. he needs some great(er) material but...its conceivable.

get your hate on haters


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No, next question.
Mar 24th 2012
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^^been dippin in Max's question card box
Mar 24th 2012
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with the internet
Mar 24th 2012
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^^^what im talking abt
Mar 24th 2012
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but the internet has also taken away the ability to be universal
Mar 25th 2012
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!
Mar 24th 2012
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wtf kinda dumb as question is this??
Mar 24th 2012
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someone should put you in a rear naked choke hold for asking this
Mar 24th 2012
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if what you're asking means
Mar 24th 2012
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the kids handsome, he's white, he can sing, he can dance
Mar 24th 2012
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RE: the kids handsome, he's white, he can sing, he can dance
Mar 24th 2012
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and his music mostly appeals to young white girls - he's destined
Mar 24th 2012
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no.
Mar 24th 2012
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      RE: no.
Mar 24th 2012
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           what's the point though?
Mar 24th 2012
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           RE: what's the point though?
Mar 24th 2012
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           oh yea he can be the next justin timberlake for sure
Mar 24th 2012
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                ok, will JB have 100K russian teenagers passing out & shit? no.
Mar 24th 2012
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                     RE: ok, will JB have 100K russian teenagers passing out &amp...
Mar 24th 2012
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                     30-40 years? you gotta be kiddin' me...
Mar 24th 2012
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                     just stop.
Mar 24th 2012
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                     you're the lawyer right now lol
Mar 24th 2012
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                     if you call that niglet JB one mo' gotdamb time...
Mar 25th 2012
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                          LMAO!!!!!!
Mar 25th 2012
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                          LOFL
Mar 26th 2012
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the age thing is not really an argument
Mar 24th 2012
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Not possible anymore
Mar 24th 2012
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Pretty much
Mar 24th 2012
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no because men dont like him.
Mar 24th 2012
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I like how you called any who'll disagree haters in advance
Mar 24th 2012
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well, uh...yeah. thats why he's got a shot.
Mar 24th 2012
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      you totally misunderstood that
Mar 24th 2012
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Chris Brown had a better chance when he was JB's age.
Mar 24th 2012
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Hell no. Never. Not a chance. It's not his fault though.
Mar 24th 2012
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A 16-year old MJ wouldn't have needed.....
Mar 24th 2012
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nope and double NAW
Mar 25th 2012
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Anyone has a shot, the emphasis is... will he take it?
Mar 25th 2012
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he can't sing nor dance... especially dance
Mar 25th 2012
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u crazy on both counts.
Mar 27th 2012
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      u're easily impressed i see... that kid has no real sustainable talent
Mar 28th 2012
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check out his new song, then tell me
Mar 26th 2012
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Not a money track (c) maxx, just solid mall music
Mar 26th 2012
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Not MJ
Mar 26th 2012
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this is logistically impossible in 2012 and beyond.
Mar 26th 2012
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NO
Mar 27th 2012
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RE: NO
Mar 27th 2012
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1. "No, next question."
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2. "^^been dippin in Max's question card box"
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3. "with the internet"
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he can be seen by even more people than MJ could've imagined.

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8. "^^^what im talking abt"
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37. "but the internet has also taken away the ability to be universal"
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people have way too many choices... and no one has to rely on the radio to tell them what to listen to.. i think the rise of the internet actually makes it almost impossible to repeat the success of some of the old heavyweights... esp. MJ

.. no hate on JB.. i think he's a cool little kid, got some decent tracks.. but he's gonna have an even harder time than JT to get that cross over appeal.. if for no other reason than the audience that he came up w/.. he's gonna have to drop some coooooooooooool ass songs to win over the non-preteen girl crowd..

good luck to him tho.. i'm waiting to see who the next "universal" artist is gonna be... if we ever see another one..

  

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4. "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!"
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No.

What the blood claaat ???

  

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5. "wtf kinda dumb as question is this??"
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hell no

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6. "someone should put you in a rear naked choke hold for asking this"
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asinine question....

grassrootsphilosopher

  

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7. "if what you're asking means"
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do you think Justin Bieber can mature into an artist that appeals beyond the pop spectrum as he ages?

it depends on what kind of career he's really set to do. I figure it might mirror the whole Patrick Stump saga; I'm intrigued by unlikely "heroes" of music... those who come in the door doing one thing, break from their comfortable setting and become more substantial as the years go on. I think Mandy Moore was actually on that path for a minute, but... ahem.

I think he has a good a chance as any considering he's shown the interest in things that are not so trendy.

though, if you really think he's going to be an all-encompassing symbol of fame like MJ, well, you know... they have a guy who can answer that:

http://splicd.com/i4qqrHZfSz8/23/27

  

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9. "the kids handsome, he's white, he can sing, he can dance"
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he's young & he's got a HUGE machine behind him that can afford the best hottest music out there or the best songwriters or the best WHATEVER

aka yall are delusiuonal

if the kid puts out a lovestoned esque heavy soul/r&b record ala timberlake a while back...he most assuredly WILL be the biggest act on the planet more so then he is now

but whatever


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10. "RE: the kids handsome, he's white, he can sing, he can dance"
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>he's young & he's got a HUGE machine behind him that can
>afford the best hottest music out there or the best
>songwriters or the best WHATEVER
>
>aka yall are delusiuonal
>
>if the kid puts out a lovestoned esque heavy soul/r&b record
>ala timberlake a while back...he most assuredly WILL be the
>biggest act on the planet more so then he is now
>
>but whatever

man nobody is going to even remember him 5 years from now.....those teenyboppers gon' grow up and a new teen brigade will have their own phenomena..and when he matures probably wont nobody care even if he does "grow as an adult artist"

  

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11. "and his music mostly appeals to young white girls - he's destined"
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for a spot on "where are they now" in another 5-6 yrs.

the better question is can he reach Usher or Justin Timberlake's success than MJ's. You can't manufacture the type of success MJ had...no matter how much money and good songwriters you have backing you.


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12. "no."
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he's not even on the same level as young michael jackson and he's about to be 18 soon
he will never be on michael's level for as long as he lives

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13. "RE: no."
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>he's not even on the same level as young michael jackson and
>he's about to be 18 soon
>he will never be on michael's level for as long as he lives


This is what I will say...

MJ's vocals were otherworldly as a young kid and as a teen...He was singing some of the soul greats of that time under a table....His stage game was vastly better than Bieber's, too...So no...he wasn't on Mike's level in that regard...

BUT....

The one big difference between them at their respective career points is Bieber can actually play instruments...For his age, he's pretty good on drums and can play an actual tune on guitar...In this day and age, that's an aberration....

What does this all mean? Nothing, if Bieber doesn't have the right material...But if you judge him on the same path as say Justin Timberlake, then he does have a chance to extend his career if he has the right people around him...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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14. "what's the point though?"
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>
>BUT....
>
>The one big difference between them at their respective career
>points is Bieber can actually play instruments...For his age,
>he's pretty good on drums and can play an actual tune on
>guitar

which amounts to JACK SHIT considering the fact that he's a "choreographed song and dance" artist. When was the last time you saw him playing an instrument on stage? So the fact that he *can* play doesn't mean a thing if he *doesn't* play. Right?






>In this day and age, that's an aberration....


That's my point. Not too many pop acts are players of instrument.


>
>What does this all mean? Nothing, if Bieber doesn't have the
>right material...But if you judge him on the same path as say
>Justin Timberlake, then he does have a chance to extend his
>career if he has the right people around him...

not to MJ-esque levels. Which is what were talking about, right?

>
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17. "RE: what's the point though?"
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Sat Mar-24-12 04:37 PM by murph71

          

>
>>
>>BUT....
>>
>>The one big difference between them at their respective
>career
>>points is Bieber can actually play instruments...For his
>age,
>>he's pretty good on drums and can play an actual tune on
>>guitar
>
>which amounts to JACK SHIT considering the fact that he's a
>"choreographed song and dance" artist. When was the last time
>you saw him playing an instrument on stage? So the fact that
>he *can* play doesn't mean a thing if he *doesn't* play.
>Right?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>In this day and age, that's an aberration....
>
>
>That's my point. Not too many pop acts are players of
>instrument.
>
>
>>
>>What does this all mean? Nothing, if Bieber doesn't have the
>>right material...But if you judge him on the same path as
>say
>>Justin Timberlake, then he does have a chance to extend his
>>career if he has the right people around him...


>not to MJ-esque levels. Which is what were talking about,
>right?


No...I was responding more to folks saying he's going to be on a milk carton five years from now...No one knows what will happen in that regard...

Now, it is very unlikely he will be on MJ level (the eras are totally different...people sold more albums and the Internet now eats everything up)...

But my point is Bieber is not a talentless hack.....He just makes music I don't listen to....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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15. "oh yea he can be the next justin timberlake for sure"
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neither of them will ever be as big as michael jackson though.

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16. "ok, will JB have 100K russian teenagers passing out & shit? no."
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but he has a legit chance to have a 30-40 yr long career, to be the frank sinatra of his generation ie the guy who grows up in the limelight, whose peers grow up with him, whose career gets fuller & more mature as he gets older, etc

i can see a world where a 50 yr old JB is like...elvis in vegas level of comeback around 2050 or whatever

biggest name on the planet...for yrs & yrs thats what im saying

  

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18. "RE: ok, will JB have 100K russian teenagers passing out &amp;amp;amp;amp..."
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>but he has a legit chance to have a 30-40 yr long career, to
>be the frank sinatra of his generation ie the guy who grows up
>in the limelight, whose peers grow up with him, whose career
>gets fuller & more mature as he gets older, etc

whoa whoa whoa slow ya role there...it's still waaaaay to early to be making prognostications like that lol. Right now he's just another teen sensation inwhich the odds say he's more likely to fizzle out and disappear in 5 yrs than to become a great legendary artists which having a 30-40 career would indicate. Lets wait and see if he can make a successful transition into a young adult star 1st which is no given he can do....
>
>i can see a world where a 50 yr old JB is like...elvis in
>vegas level of comeback around 2050 or whatever
>
>biggest name on the planet...for yrs & yrs thats what im
>saying

whut iz you Nostradamus or something lol....that's a looooong way away to even be thinking abt...particularly in an era where fans are quick to move on to the next "new thing." The demographic he still mainly appeals to don't really follow an artist's career that long, especially pop stars so he's going to have to make music that grown folks and real music listeners dig.

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20. "30-40 years? you gotta be kiddin' me..."
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>but he has a legit chance to have a 30-40 yr long career, to
>be the frank sinatra of his generation ie the guy who grows up
>in the limelight, whose peers grow up with him, whose career
>gets fuller & more mature as he gets older, etc
>


FIRST of all, even as a kid, Mike Jax made records that appealed to grownups. ( Granted the J5 was a bubblegum act...).

Second, he grew up with his music. When he became a teenager, he stretched out and sang more ballads, and more age appropriate material. He wasn't still making "kids" music,


>i can see a world where a 50 yr old JB is like...elvis in
>vegas level of comeback around 2050 or whatever
>

50 years from now is 2062. you think the world will still be looking and listening to Justin Bieber? Shit, at the rate WE'RE going, there won't even BE recorded music anymore. Just blips,bleeps, and other sterile interactive shit...



>biggest name on the planet...for yrs & yrs thats what im
>saying
>

I give him about another 2 years, TOPS. How many Boy Bands ( singers) go on to have long successful careers? Michael Jackson, and...uhhh....
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25. "just stop."
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33. "if you call that niglet JB one mo' gotdamb time..."
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35. "LMAO!!!!!!"
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42. "LOFL"
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19. "the age thing is not really an argument "
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Most singer that became a household name could already sing their ass off at the age of 16, not to mention 18.

But I agree, the he is talented. Im sure I'll be able to appreciate some of this songs in the future and I wouldn't be surprised if he had a long career but MJ level ? NO. Times have changed, I think the whole "legend period" is past now, we won't be seing any other MJ soon.

  

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21. "Not possible anymore"
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Music is way to balkanized at this point

  

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24. "Pretty much"
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There will never be another Michael Jackson. It has nothing to do with talent or "the machine" or whatever. Shit, I work with a lot of teenagers and none of them listen to the same type of music-that scenario was not common in the 80's...

  

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22. "no because men dont like him."
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EVERYBODY liked MJ.

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23. "I like how you called any who'll disagree haters in advance"
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nice touch

Dude will not reach that level at all, and he'll be usher+timberlake status and maybe a little above that.

1. no where near the talent of michael

2. different time, Mike came up and grew up with his audience through advancements in music and television, creates a different feeling. and no, it's not the same as people seeing advancements today because we already expect the new things we see to happen, we're spoiled.

3. fans today are too blase, i know son is like #3 on twitter or some shit but something about the internet just seems off to me, i know that's representative of how many people like said artist but there's no nielsen for that shit, how many people are actually paying attention after they follow, friend, add or whatever. Also, it just makes it too easy to be a fan, yeah it's there at your disposal but if we didn't have all this social networking going on i think other numbers would go up in contrast.

He'll be big, and correct me if i'm wrong, but he doesn't seem to have ANY peers, like, there is no other young man out there doing it like him, and i don't know if that should be props to him or not lol

im rambling, all im saying is that technology has made people fickle and it's hard to predict whether his audience will grow up with him and keep digging his work.

but seriously, off the top of my head i really can't think of one lil dude thats fucking with him, that's crazy to me.

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Binlahab
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27. "well, uh...yeah. thats why he's got a shot."
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>but seriously, off the top of my head i really can't think of
>one lil dude thats fucking with him, that's crazy to me.


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beatnik
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30. "you totally misunderstood that"
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not having a comparison isn't a good thing, i was just making a comment about how odd it is that no other label has tried to throw up their own bieber.

in fact, it would be better if there were 2 or 3 other lil dudes out there competing because then he wouldn't have the advantage of solidarity.

and maybe you wouldn't have made this post, OH! BURN!

PEACE LOVE and MONEY

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effujordan
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28. "Chris Brown had a better chance when he was JB's age."
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Unprogrammedminds
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29. "Hell no. Never. Not a chance. It's not his fault though."
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Way different times, brother.

Every move MJ made, from the time he debuted with J5 as a kid to the day he kissed the world goodbye, was felt and dissected EVERYWHERE by EVERYONE.

Bieber is big with his crowd. Not the world over. The vast majority of people couldn't even name you a Bieber song let alone follow his every move.

Bieber is a media sensation. MJ was (and still is) an institution.

The age of the superstar is over.

So, the impossibility of Bieber ever reaching such once-in-a-lifetime heights isn't any fault of his own. He's just a victim of a timing.

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Pete Burns
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31. "A 16-year old MJ wouldn't have needed....."
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...Auto-tune on 'We Are The World'.

This post is utter piffle.

What the blood claaat ???

  

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mistermaxxx08
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32. "nope and double NAW"
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he ain't but a Marginal talent at best like closer to Hanson Level.

he ain't got no songs for one 1)

he is a marginal talent 2)

HE IS in a era where beatmakers run as Producers and that alone is a no no 3)

and I could some white kid at disney and write and produce some tracks on and put a Milk mustache and have the next Bieber so anybody could do what that turkey is doing

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johnbook
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34. "Anyone has a shot, the emphasis is... will he take it?"
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Look at George Clooney. He could be massive. Or keep to music and look at Lady Gaga. A good portion of her success and "fandom" is controlled by her, and if "she gives the command", she could stop. There aren't many who have ever changed their appearance with every public showing, even David Bowie didn't go that far. She's almost like toothpaste, in that every few months, she's "new and improved" but it's the same ol' Gaga toothpaste.

Will Bieber do it? That's up to him. He's 18, this year is the 30th anniversary of THRILLER so I'm sure the media will say "is this the new uprising?" I'd like to think that by him being Canadian, he will have a different perception of things and try to hesitate from going overboard. I hope for his sake, he does. Look at Justin Timberlake, he could be the monarch but he steps away and does movies, people want him to be a member of SNL, he is calculating his work and perception, and it's working. Bieber could do the same if he gets a bit of guidance by those who will help him.

Things are different today, in that it will be up to fans who will decide if they want to keep him grounded or push him to the point of no return, like MJ. I hope for him and his fans, they will keep him in check.




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36. "he can't sing nor dance... especially dance"
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Binlahab
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44. "u crazy on both counts."
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is dude as good a dancer or singer as mike, no. but who is.

but he CAN sing & he CAN dance. more then good enough to get huge

  

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46. "u're easily impressed i see... that kid has no real sustainable talent"
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38. "check out his new song, then tell me"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtHE_UV1v2g&feature=player_embedded#!

  

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40. "Not a money track (c) maxx, just solid mall music"
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Hope he has some heat on his new album, but as people here have said, he's not being pushed to turn in a "Don't stop til you get enough" or even a Timberlake "Like I Love You".

If he releases a song that shows a strong personality and a killer hook, then he could be on his way to being an international star.

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39. "Not MJ"
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no that's not fair to Michael, Justin can't do what Michael could.

I feel like Justin hasn't been challenged by the musicians and producers hes worked with. Not in the idea that he's too talented for them, but he's not being pushed in any artistic direction. You can tell that because dude seems to be content rapping ghost written raps and making swag rap instead of making some honest music.

I think that if someone like Pharrell would get up off their ass and grab hold of kid, if there could just be someone with time in the game that knows how to make the kind of records that can be ubiquitous, Justin might be able to push himself and want to make some innovative music. He's got talent, hes the most marketable musician on the planet, people would LOVE to see him succeed and start making pop music that older folks/high brows can respect, but he's not being challenged by anyone around him. In my mind, hes content with making the music hes making now. I feel with age he'll be forced to switch this up though.

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41. "this is logistically impossible in 2012 and beyond."
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michael jackson the entity was a result of so many PERFECT storms, not the least of which being that he was a genius level performer AND vocalist. the recording industry was different, people's investment and response to music was different, label commitment to their artists was different, the political/world scene was dramatically different, and ripe for a global star during Mike's ascension, and comparatively speaking - justin bieber is way behind the eight ball. MJ had a decade in the game by Justin Bieber's age.

it's just not really possible anymore, and that's excluding MJ's talent, which on it's own i believe is the easier portion of the MJ equation to duplicate. and that's saying something.

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43. "NO"
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45. "RE: NO"
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Its a different time, Michael was around when TV and radio where extremely important and music was not disposable as it is now.

Talent aside I just think its extremely hard for anybody to come close to MJ status, too many things compete for our time in this day and age.

Bieber needs a breakthrough album, one that says "look im serious about my craft".

  

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