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"This article about Rihanna Hit Making Machine is pretty sad (swipe)"


  

          

It's a long read

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/03/26/120326fa_fact_seabrook

but it's an incredibly fascinating look at how a lot of Rihanna and other pop singers (Pink, Katy Perry, etc.) songs get made. All new information to me.

I found it particularly sad for a couple of reasons:

1. These folks are block buster singles oriented and don't seem interested in making full epic albums.

2. Because the songwriting (lyrics) are driven by the beat, the lyrics are almost secondary and just sounds to compliment the beat. No real thought whatsoever. Don't expect a ballad of Dorothy Parker coming from these folks.




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1. albums are overrated, generally.
Mar 21st 2012
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I agree that not all artists need to be making albums, especially
Mar 21st 2012
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      I agree. I don't need to hear an album by rhianna
Mar 21st 2012
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           i think there's room in the market for all of them.
Mar 21st 2012
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doesnt Badu write to the beat? i'd consider this a sweeping generalizati...
Mar 21st 2012
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I not critizing writing to the beat in general.
Mar 21st 2012
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      i used to think Beyonce 'wrote' like Ester.
Mar 21st 2012
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           It's kind of like the Beatles Yesterday = Scrambled Eggs
Mar 21st 2012
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                that wouldve been great
Mar 21st 2012
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                i dunno about that.
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                     naw they just quoted her gibberish lyrics.
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                          Boy you got my heart beat runnin away
Mar 21st 2012
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                               touche.
Mar 21st 2012
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damn.
Mar 21st 2012
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About to read, but I don't have a problem with either of your two
Mar 21st 2012
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Yoink:
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^why Drake is winning.
Mar 21st 2012
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      yup. he does three or four different hooks per song..lol
Mar 21st 2012
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if this is about the camps, this is old as hell.
Mar 21st 2012
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Huh? the article plubished this week is old as hell?
Mar 21st 2012
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      that article is new
Mar 21st 2012
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           yeah, two different articles with two different focuses. Interesting thi...
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                RE: yeah, two different articles with two different focuses. Interesting...
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those artists can't handle the art of making albums
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just curious, how do YOU see the "art"? what is the difference for you?
Mar 21st 2012
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      if they can make 8 or more songs of a similar value
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it's like a combination of
Mar 21st 2012
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hmmmm
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i also believe this "hit-machine" shit is a product of rich execs
Mar 21st 2012
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I agree with that
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Good read. It didn't disturb me at all.
Mar 21st 2012
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they've been doing that in pop music since the 80's though
Mar 21st 2012
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right. all the lyrics they quoted were laughably bad/trite.
Mar 21st 2012
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yup... its not new...
Mar 22nd 2012
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Most lyrics are beat or melody driven
Mar 21st 2012
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chicken or the egg?
Mar 22nd 2012
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      After reading the article...
Mar 22nd 2012
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      yep
Mar 22nd 2012
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           IDK. Singer-Songwriter is a relatively new phenomon
Mar 22nd 2012
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                unless its in chant form, aint nobody listening to lyrics these days
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      This has been happening way longer than 10 years
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           that's what always made ryan leslie's Gibberish funny to me
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           I'm not sure about this...
Mar 23rd 2012
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                I am sure it about it
Mar 23rd 2012
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i like a nice 2 piece & a booty on biggie, whats really good?
Mar 22nd 2012
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BTW, I don't believe this Esther chick gets 1M per hit song.
Mar 22nd 2012
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i guess you gotta account for BDS spins, digital downloads,
Mar 22nd 2012
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The failure of arts education means consumers want/enjoy crap.
Mar 22nd 2012
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oh cmon. rude boy was jamming
Mar 22nd 2012
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Beat driven lyric writing....... that just sounds bad...lol.
Mar 22nd 2012
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Melody driven writing is how the originals you love did it.
Mar 22nd 2012
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      yeah.... but there's a difference though.
Mar 22nd 2012
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Whats the odds on this Esther girl ever putting out a alblum
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RE: Whats the odds on this Esther girl ever putting out a alblum
Mar 22nd 2012
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Yeah she isn't that cute or have the strongest voice...
Mar 22nd 2012
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Keri Hilson did, of course Keri fine as hell
Mar 23rd 2012
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that Bonnie McKee chick is from my hood.
Mar 22nd 2012
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RE: that Bonnie McKee chick is from my hood.
Mar 23rd 2012
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I was reading this article wondering if she wasn't cute
Mar 22nd 2012
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nothing new here at all
Mar 23rd 2012
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Damn, Even 'Black & Yellow'?
Mar 23rd 2012
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I always thouhgt that beat was bigger than Wiz
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No one's mentioned the Brill Building at all???
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1. "1. albums are overrated, generally."
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2. i appreciate acts like Rihanna focusing on singles. she and her ppl are great at churning them out. i'm not interested in hearing navel-gazing album filler tracks from her. i don't want her putting journal entries to music. based on reports of her Twitter posts, she has 0 to say that i'm interested in hearing. i don't care for her opinions on world events or history or politics or religion or anything like that. but i do want to hear her warble over a cute Pop-Dance beat. as long as i can dance to it. and if she strikes cute poses in the accompanying music video that's all good too. i'll look to other acts for depth and meaning and art and whatever.

...and now i'll read the article. lol

fuck you.

  

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4. "I agree that not all artists need to be making albums, especially"
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nowadays. I feel that Ciara, Trey Songz and Estelle should just release a song and music video every month like clockwork and have them make the rounds on blogs and clubs and tour off those attempts at hits.

However I feel that when you get to the top of the hill like Rhianna is, she needs to make a couple 'statement' albums that put her in another tier, not just for romantic, artistic reasons, but more to justify higher ticket prices, TV Specials etc.

You are right that she has nothing substantial to say, but that shouldn't prevent Pop stars from making a concentrated effort with forward thinking, risky production. I'd take a focused, hooks laden concept album about how she wants to be with Chris Brown but the world won't let her anyday. I can stand most singers being singles artists, but some must have ambition once in a while.

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7. "I agree. I don't need to hear an album by rhianna"
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But I guess I am saying I think it would be a bad thing if the single oriented artist crowded out the artist who still practice the art of making a complete album.


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9. "i think there's room in the market for all of them."
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i dunno if there's room for all of them on major labels though.

fuck you.

  

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2. "doesnt Badu write to the beat? i'd consider this a sweeping generalizati..."
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>2. Because the songwriting (lyrics) are driven by the beat,
>the lyrics are almost secondary and just sounds to compliment
>the beat. No real thought whatsoever. Don't expect a ballad
>of Dorothy Parker coming from these folks.

  

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6. "I not critizing writing to the beat in general. "
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I know a lot of great artist hear a melody or beat that inspires them to write specific lyrics.

I am specifically talking about the process described in the article. I think its a slightly different process of just finding sounds that fit the beat.

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8. "i used to think Beyonce 'wrote' like Ester."
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like she'd take phrases she'd heard thrown around @ the beauty shop or the cafeteria lunch table and turn them into lyrics.

hell, i'm sure Ester ain't the 1st songwriter to do this, of course. this practice likely reaches way back to the wayback.

fuck you.

  

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14. "It's kind of like the Beatles Yesterday = Scrambled Eggs"
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I always heard the story that when McCartney first came up with the melody of yesterday, he would sing "scrambled eggs" until he came with more suitable lyrics. Wikipedia says the original lyrics were "Scrambled Eggs/Oh, my baby how I love your legs".

If the Beatles took the approach of the song writers in this article, they wouldn't have bothered to write the beautiful lyrics for yesterday and just been satisfied with scrambled eggs.



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18. "that wouldve been great"
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19. "i dunno about that."
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the article didn't say Ester & Stargate stick w/whatever gibberish she comes up with in the booth.

fuck you.

  

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22. "naw they just quoted her gibberish lyrics. "
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“Boom, badoom, boom / boom, badoom, boom / bass / yeah, that’s that super bass”



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23. "Boy you got my heart beat runnin away"
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beating like a drum and it's comin your way

can't you hear that...

^ that's not gibberish.

and Stevie Wonder likes his 'La la la' 'Do do do' etc lyrics too, you know.

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25. "touche."
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3. "damn. "
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well, now i'm not surprised that Ester's lyrics sound like they do.

*smh*

LOL

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5. "About to read, but I don't have a problem with either of your two"
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points. I don't think dope lyrics are vital. But then again, I really like 70% of Rihanna's post-beating output.

  

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10. "Yoink:"
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"'It’s not enough to have one hook anymore,' Jay Brown, the president of Roc Nation, and Dean’s manager, told me recently. 'You’ve got to have a hook in the intro, a hook in the pre-chorus, a hook in the chorus, and a hook in the bridge.' The reason, he explained, is that 'people on average give a song seven seconds on the radio before they change the channel, and you got to hook them.'"

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12. "^why Drake is winning."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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13. "yup. he does three or four different hooks per song..lol"
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11. "if this is about the camps, this is old as hell."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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15. "Huh? the article plubished this week is old as hell?"
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17. "that article is new"
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this is what im talking about.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/07/05/137530847/how-much-does-it-cost-to-make-a-hit-song

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20. "yeah, two different articles with two different focuses. Interesting thi..."
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is that the New Yorker articles says that Ester can make 1M on a hit track. That number sounded super high to me. the article you mentioned more of a number like 25K.

I wonder which number is right.


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47. "RE: yeah, two different articles with two different focuses. Interesting..."
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1m off publishing not upfront
the 25k is the "fee"

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16. "those artists can't handle the art of making albums"
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so leave them to the singles/iTunes for .99/bum a loosie MP3 crowd.

  

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21. "just curious, how do YOU see the "art"? what is the difference for you?"
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34. "if they can make 8 or more songs of a similar value"
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put them together in a collection, without them sounding like they were thrown together to make space... they good

a lot of mixtapes out there are pretty much albums proper

while the actual albums... well, suck

  

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24. "it's like a combination of"
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darts, pin the tail on the donkey, color in the numbered areas, and building a car in an auto plant.

it's also a function of the lessening attention span of this country. it's working for now, and probably will for the foreseeable future.

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26. "hmmmm"
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Rihanna is often described as a “manufactured” pop star, because she doesn’t write her songs, but neither did Sinatra or Elvis. She embodies a song in the way an actor inhabits a role—and no one expects the actor to write the script.

  

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27. "i also believe this "hit-machine" shit is a product of rich execs"
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desperate to maintain their lifestyle in a collapsing industry. It's clear as day when Ester starts talking about label heads viewing her as "a check".

the average music fans only like what they are shown but those channels and their gatekeepers are constantly evolving. In time, this will change the creation aspect as well.

aka...this is really nothing to get riled up about.

  

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35. "I agree with that"
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>desperate to maintain their lifestyle in a collapsing
>industry. It's clear as day when Ester starts talking about
>label heads viewing her as "a check".

that's what kind of sucks about a lot of music because it seems so transparent.

even when artists (mostly rappers) talked about "the business side" it still seemed like the 4th wall was up

  

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28. "Good read. It didn't disturb me at all."
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I mean, this has always existed.

They write some catchy dance-pop songs together. There's room for all that shit.
I enjoy it.


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29. "they've been doing that in pop music since the 80's though"
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it's just that the quality of the songwriting as well as the music has gone down considerably

  

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30. "right. all the lyrics they quoted were laughably bad/trite."
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maybe that's just pop music in general.
but its a shame.

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36. "yup... its not new..."
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...but it sure seems like its got way less creative on the pop level over the years

  

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31. "Most lyrics are beat or melody driven"
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That's actually good songwriting. The lyrics and the music should match the same vibe. That said, there is something artful about being able to pack meaningful lyrics into a strong melodic structure. However, that's more the exception than the rule...in any genre. People always indulge in revisionist history in these posts.

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32. "chicken or the egg?"
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I wonder how many hit songs were written to the beat vs the beat being made after the song was written?

I know in the last 10 years it's beat first and then lyrics... which is probably why we only connect with them for a hot minute. I wonder if hip hop changed the game because the beat is damn near always made before the verses and chorus.






  

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33. "After reading the article..."
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it is a little sad. Maybe it's jealousy as well... LOL. I know Elvis and Sinatra and others all had songwriters at least the artist had "star power" when they hit the stage.

When I watch Katy Perry in a live performance.... I don't see it. It looks like a soccer mom dressed in a weird outfit faking it for 3 minutes. Same with Rhianna and even Britney Spears...

Rhianna has some great singles but when she performs it's cheezy. She doesn't even try to entertain or lip sync half the time.

  

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37. "yep"
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>it is a little sad. Maybe it's jealousy as well... LOL. I
>know Elvis and Sinatra and others all had songwriters at least
>the artist had "star power" when they hit the stage.
>
>When I watch Katy Perry in a live performance.... I don't see
>it. It looks like a soccer mom dressed in a weird outfit
>faking it for 3 minutes. Same with Rhianna and even Britney
>Spears...
>
>Rhianna has some great singles but when she performs it's
>cheezy. She doesn't even try to entertain or lip sync half the
>time.
>
>


i always wonder how it feels to be manufactured like that. its gotta be a crazy internal struggle.

to me, as an 'artist' it would be hard to be proud of something that i didnt create.
going to the studio to recite someone elses lyrics, to a formulaically crafted song, in clothes that a stylist picked out, under the guidance of management and who knows how many other handlers. all for what? for fame? not being able to walk down the street? not being able to go out in public without causing some sort of pandemonium? i really dont see the appeal of it all.

  

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39. "IDK. Singer-Songwriter is a relatively new phenomon "
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I don't think that's a big deal. Alot of the great singers were not songwriters and I wouldn't expect them to be.

I am just disappointed that the songwriting has seemed to have become such a diminished aspect of it all.


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42. "unless its in chant form, aint nobody listening to lyrics these days"
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>I am just disappointed that the songwriting has seemed to have
>become such a diminished aspect of it all.

but its like chicken and egg for me, did the listener lose interest in hearing a story or did the lyrics start to take a backseat to a nice beat that we could groove to?

  

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45. "This has been happening way longer than 10 years"
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It's ridiculously hard to force predetermined lyrics into an unrelated melody. If you talk to any songwriter (other than rappers), the majority of them have the melody that they're going to use before the lyrics. Why? Because the melody and the lyrics need to match the composition. Every once and a while you'll see someone use juxtaposition to make a point. However, most of the time if the beat is happy, lyrics are happy. If the music's sad, the lyrics are sad. Let's not act like this is a new phenomenon. Now I'll agree that a lot of popular songwriters today are lazy and could be more artful with their execution. But the music almost always exists before the lyrics. That's usually how it's done and that ain't new. The only exception I can think of is rap, which has influenced songwriters to step away from melody and put more focus on punchlines or using too many words, i.e. Mariah's tinging. I actually wish more people wrote melodies first, because the adverse results in the monotone R&B/Pop that I hate.

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51. "that's what always made ryan leslie's Gibberish funny to me"
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cause guy just said fuck it and gave us the reference track on purpose


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57. "I'm not sure about this..."
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I think back in the day the lyrics were written first and then the music was arranged around it...




  

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62. "I am sure it about it"
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You may have an idea or concept of what the song's going to be about first, but the music always comes first. Lyrics without a melody in mind are poetry. Can you convert a poem into a song? Sure, but it's not common in any genre other than rap. Most lyricists write with a melody in mind. Even if the music is in their head, they usually have an idea of how the basic melody is going to go. Now, in the production process more instrumentation may be added or use of dynamics may be employed to enhance the lyrics, but, again, the basic melody of the song is almost always in place.

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38. "i like a nice 2 piece & a booty on biggie, whats really good?"
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miss ester dean u can get it - weezy

i was feeling that single...wondered what happened to this chick


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40. "BTW, I don't believe this Esther chick gets 1M per hit song."
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those economics don't make any sense to me.

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41. "i guess you gotta account for BDS spins, digital downloads,"
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album sales, etc. i'm not saying it's a milli, but it's a very, very good chunk of change.

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43. "The failure of arts education means consumers want/enjoy crap."
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They do not know enough to demand better.

  

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44. "oh cmon. rude boy was jamming"
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lotta rihannas shit just hits that aural sweet spot

will ppl be playing her whole album in 20 yrs no

but you WILL get your old ass up @ the family reunion in 2050 (if u live that long) when the DJ throws that shit on to show the young ppl how they played it back in YOUR day


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46. "Beat driven lyric writing....... that just sounds bad...lol."
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but that is the mode of the day.... when the hip hop template was placed over R&B music this is what you got..... to me it seems like it went to far when you have "beats" dictating lyrics...in R&B

  

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48. "Melody driven writing is how the originals you love did it."
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Writing lyrics with no melody is Hip Hop's influence. Now the quality of the lyric have become subpar, but having the music or a melody first has ALWAYS been the process.

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55. "yeah.... but there's a difference though."
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riting lyrics to original melodies or as part of musical arrangements that involve musicians...especially in a context where what is being said in the lyrics have some value...and is part of an overall product(album).....to me you bred an environmehnt that had better and more comeplete "songs" that aged better. When we are talking about writing lyrics to beats in r&b to me that is putting more emphasis on how the words being said flows with a beat as opposed to the words having meaning in the context of a complete song.

  

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49. "Whats the odds on this Esther girl ever putting out a alblum"
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I give it a 15%

  

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50. "RE: Whats the odds on this Esther girl ever putting out a alblum"
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if people still want hits from her.... they are gonna put her out.. lol she commands too much importance... Esther IS the Rihanna voice.. and on the pop side she is Nicki's voice..

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53. "Yeah she isn't that cute or have the strongest voice..."
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If Rock City (now planet IV) couldn't get a release date I don't see how she does.

Because of WrestleMania I have to hear her hook on MGK's "Invicible" and it's grown on me.

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60. "Keri Hilson did, of course Keri fine as hell"
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but it's possible... all she has to do is save one of these mega hits for herself... Keri's first album seemed like it was due for a nevruary 31st release date after a few singles flopped then "knocks you down" became a huge hit, called in a few faves (neyo and kanye) and she was set

  

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52. "that Bonnie McKee chick is from my hood."
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friends with my lil' bro during middle school.

weird to see her walking the red carpet at the Grammy's.

as for the article: not anything i didn't already understand...although the Stargate background was most interesting to me.

the whole 'pop factory' aspect? *shrug* i expect radio hits to be catchy drivel that i will inevitably ended singing even though i don't want to.

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58. "RE: that Bonnie McKee chick is from my hood."
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A friend of mine is a song writer and I met her at his hotel in NYC. 2 years later she was on the red carpet.

I would have never expected her to be "that chick" when talking about a hit songwriter.



  

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54. "I was reading this article wondering if she wasn't cute"
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It's an inference I drew from the article (that and her seeing herself in a Missy Elliot Lane).

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56. "nothing new here at all"
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every since Producers and there sound dominated the airwaves well this is to be expected.

anytime a sound becomes the in thing well chances are greater that a sound is going to be more remembered than the songs and this has happen for many a year.

in truth what makes Rihanna's domiance anymore different than Janet Jackson, Paula Abdul, Jeinnifer Lopez and other acts especially during the disco era til now where a voice over a track been used.

I mean exactly how is what Rihanna is doing different than how Zelma Davis was used for C&C Music factory? aside from the fact that Davis didn't really sing on those records, however still you get the picture of selling the Beat and Groove and the songwriting rides backseat and some would say in the trunk

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59. "Damn, Even 'Black & Yellow'?"
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THERE IS NO SANTA CLAUS.

Like everyone said above, this has been going on forever. However it's interesting how the roots for the current wave is euro-techno

  

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63. "I always thouhgt that beat was bigger than Wiz"
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For a dude I never heard of, I was wondering how he got on such a blockbuster sounding beat.


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61. "No one's mentioned the Brill Building at all???"
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Lesson, I'm disappointed...

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