listenin' to the man machine by kraftwerk this mornin', that thought arose
for those that don't knkow
the man machine is the sample for rockin' it, by the treacherous three

like, to me, isn't that the essence of black folk music?
we hear some shit we like
and think we can rock it better, the way we like
so we take some song, and treat them like they're our session musicians
and we go in over it

i mean, isn't the original music just a bunch of session musicians anyway?

why pay the artist or owner more than what they paid to make the song?
lol
fuckin' capitalism, you got to love it
of course, when you get into copyrights and all that
it becomes murky
but a wonderful world of hip hop this would be if you could just pay for the sample like it was just a bunch of session musicians

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It seems like every new "hot" young producer isn't sampling anymore, whether it be for financial reasons or just because that's not the world they know.

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i heard the big pimpin' sample and all the magic was out the window
then i found a few other of his samples
i admit, he does obscure it enough where you would think he
came up with it
even the neptunes
they play shit over or reinterpolate it a bit
but everybody samples to some degree
even mr i don't fuck with samples himself, swizz beats

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>i heard the big pimpin' sample and all the magic was out the
>window
>then i found a few other of his samples
>i admit, he does obscure it enough where you would think he
>came up with it
>even the neptunes
>they play shit over or reinterpolate it a bit
>but everybody samples to some degree
>even mr i don't fuck with samples himself, swizz beats
>

Timberland, Swizz Beats and Neptunes. All them fools been in the game 15 years plus, where you been?
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i don't listen to these new niggas to know whose ynh now, so...

i'll refer back to what i knew as ynh

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I assume you're talking about popular/urban radio and in that case, it might be. Probably. And I could care less lol.

I'm swimming in sample-based releases right now, ranging from releases bought from Best Buy to amazon to bandcamp-only. And I'm ok with that. I'm not sure there's even any negatives to it not being on the radio. What does it matter?

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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Let's be honest, a lot of the dudes making sample beats on the "underground" right now work with garbage MCs.

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>Let's be honest, a lot of the dudes making sample beats on
>the "underground" right now work with garbage MCs.


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well how many samples do you want? do you want only specific types? here's two of the more popular albums to come out recently, not majority samples but samples nonetheless.


Young Jeezy - TM103
OJ: "Banka" by Meiko Kaji off her 1974 album Golden Star Twin Deluxe.
Supafreak: "Superfreak" by Rick James off his 1981 album Street Songs.
Leave You Alone: "Garden of Peace" by Lonnie Liston Smith off his 1970 album Dreams Of Tomorrow.
F.A.M.E.: "Air for Life" by Above & Beyond with Andy Moor off their 2006 album Tri-State and "You and Love are the Same" by The Grass Roots off their 1968 album Feelings.
I Do: "Cause I Love You" by Lenny Williams off his 1978 album Spark of Love.

Jay-Z & Kanye West - Watch the Throne
"No Church in the Wild" contains samples from "K-Scope" as performed by Phil Manzanera, "Sunshine Help Me" as performed by Spooky Tooth and "Don't Tell a Lie About Me and I Won't Tell the Truth About You" as performed by James Brown.
"Niggas in Paris" contains samples from the Reverend W.A. Donaldson recording "Baptizing Scene" and dialogue between Will Ferrell and Jon Heder in the film Blades of Glory.
"Otis" contains samples from "Try a Little Tenderness" as performed by Otis Redding, "Don't Tell a Lie About Me and I Won't Tell the Truth About You" by James Brown, and "Top Billin'" as performed by Audio Two.
"Gotta Have It" contains samples from "Don't Tell a Lie About Me and I Won't Tell the Truth About You", "People Get Up and Drive Your Funky Soul" and "My Thang" as performed by James Brown.
"New Day" contains samples from "Feeling Good" as performed by Nina Simone.
"That's My Bitch" contains samples from "Get Up, Get Into It, Get Involved" as performed by James Brown and "Apache" by Incredible Bongo Band.
"Who Gon Stop Me" contains samples from "I Can't Stop" as performed by Flux Pavilion.
"Murder to Excellence" contains samples from "La La La" as performed by Indiggo and "Celie Shaves Mr./Scarification" as performed by Quincy Jones.
"Why I Love You" contains samples from "I Love You So" as performed by Cassius.
"Primetime" contains samples from "Action" as performed by Orange Krush.
"The Joy" contains samples from "The Makings of You (Live)" as performed by Curtis Mayfield and "Different Strokes" as performed by Syl Johnson.

It was practically on it's way out, prior to JB/KW and the heatmakerz. And that was damn near 10 years ago.

don't see it lasting long, not on the commercial level.

At least as far as the classic definition of a hip hop beat, the sample, then in the keyboard computer beats dominated rap music.

But now the EDM sound has taken over R&B too, and it's WAY more poppy and dance than ever.

Dudes like Salaam Remi and Pete Rock are hurting with the big budgets these days.

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Pay the fees once for arranging, musicians, studio time, etc.

And you're done.

No clearance fees, partial publishing, royalties — none of that.

I think hip hop is near sighted though. People look at 15 or 20 grand (paid one time, all at once) to create one song as a worse deal than paying $100,000+ for a popular sample over the course of several years through other fees.

I'm sure my figures are off. Would love someone who actually knows what they're talking about to clarify a little better.

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As a result of shrinking budgets, guys who were getting paid $30K a beat are now lucky if they can get half of that. And a lot of guys are so stubborn, they'd rather not get placements, then take that, so as a result, they sit on the sidelines, while the new dudes, who will take pennies for their work (and in some cases, literally nothing) get the work.

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I think, if somebody with the right approach came along, we could see such a thing as a successful "hip hop arranger."

I would welcome that with open ears, honestly.

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As has been discussed to death here, the days of the super producer are over. A&Rs think they can find the next dude on a message board or twitter (and they may be right, who knows).

So the idea of paying quality session musicians what they'd want to come in, and then getting such a small placement fee for their beats, and incredibly lower royalties due to diminishing sales, isn't appealing to a lot of people.

I know of one producer who has someone come in and replay stuff he's sampled, but I don't know the costs involved. Can't be cheap, right?

What we're gonna see more and more of, are keyboard and computer beats with no samples and no live instrumentation at all.

Hell, look at the producers who've emerged in the last few years.

Lex Luger
Jahlil Beats
Cardiak

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that alone is one of the reasons why Rap Music doesn't endure for so many because how many Producers can truly get old and folks still want to hear there stuff years later?

and who is to say that these labels ain't been checking out local cats and just fronting the image of said So called Super Producer for years?

some of these so called Super Producers got as many ghosts in there camp as the ones chasing Pac Man.

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I've never actually listened to that album more than once. And that was right when it was first released.

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you mean, like hire him or quincy jones
to make some epic shit
like their 70s soundin' catalog
or whatever

and then they come back and sample and chop what
was arranged?

or...?

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. . .there is a demo idea for a song presented —maybe even a rough sketch that contains samples— to the arranger. The beatmaker basically hands the idea over to the arranger and the arranger either orchestrates or gets a live band to play their interpretation of the beat. Not necessarily "replaying" it; more like reinterpreting it.

Unless, of course, there weren't any samples in the original song idea. Then it's just treated like a production and arrangement job. Whether or not it would be a big orchestrated production, 1970's style to use your examples, would be entirely up to the producer and arranger.

It would put the focus back on the studio and shaping musicians, that's for sure.

I think it would be a fun experiment. For live performnace, the beatmaker could just go in and sample their own record, so the need to tour a whole band would be absent.

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This happens ALL the time... That's why people like Ken Lewis get the big bucks

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I'd like to know more. . .

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I first noticed him on Fabolous "Can't Let You Go"...I'm sure he's worked with others. His name pops up in credits from time 2 time but never as a producer.

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not that it wouldn't have its place, but there's an aesthetic to sampling (chopping, combining, truncating, pairing multiple eras and qualities and "feels") that you don't get from having one current-era live recreation of some music

these ppl don't get that its not just a musical arranging crutch, its a sophisticated textural pursuit

and acts outta be creating there own thing. its one thing to take things here and there, but its a whole different matter to be a walking jukebox and never create an original piece of nothing.

i blame the label heads though for allowing that to be tbe rule as to the exception.

sampling is so out of hand that alot of folks don't even know who did the original and just accept what is pushed by these labels.

sorry but ain't no sample replacing a Ray parker Jr, Greg Philiganis, Jeff Pocarao and other top flight session cats.

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Some of hip-hop's best musical moments came out of GREAT sampling...

I mean, there's an art to the Bomb Squad, Primo, Pete Rock, Prince Paul, early '90s Dre, RZA, Organized Noize (they were the best at mixing sampling with live instrumentation)and the like...

But that's just me....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

i used to feel the same way,
but when i went back and listened to stuff like "it takes a nation of millions to hold us back" and "paul's boutique"
and "amerikkka's most wanted" and "breaking atoms"

it changed my mind.

it sounds more like a new record
than an old record.



but instead of having an aranger tell the musicians what to play,
you have an arranger reorganizing the sounds that already
existed on record to create a new composition.





hell... even a record like "licensed to ill" that has
fairly recognizable samples sounds more like
a new record than an old record.


and even when i hear samples i recognize,
i sometimes enjoy hearing them in a new context.

ain't nobody hearing any of the Hip Hop Writers and producers going to mistaking them for Smokey Robinson, Holland,Dozier and Holland, Stevie Wonder,etc.


cats ride off a groove and then write on top of that,which is one of the reasons why most cats in the genre don't last long.

create and do your own thing period.

if you want to cover that is cool, however sampling and looping has watered things down and always did.

the truth is because these labels were racist and spiteful they allowed the bext generation of acts to ride off of sampling and looping and then turned around wanted coin,but not because of said originator act.

it was cute when one didn't know any better, however if James Brown,George clinton,rick James and Sly Stone got paid every time they were sampled then they could have there own Mount rushmore.

however somehow it didn't balance out. all it did was bread familiarity and hurt the creative process of you doing you.

put it like this where are those acts now if they were so great with it back then?

just as i thought Crickets.

acts who do words and music and or make songs that timeless ain't gotta be making movies or Boutique this or that to keep a steady check unless they want to.

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i'm not really the one to speak on this
b/c i don't dig rap as much as i dig soul or even rock.

so i can't be objective.

but truthfully,
i'd put kanye's latest (my beautiful dark and twisted family)
up against any other 2nd tier classic.
no, it's not as great as "off the wall" or "what's going on,"
but it's in the same leauge as fleetwood mac's "rumours."


ice cube's "ammerikkka's most wanted"
is one of the best albums i've ever heard.

notice i didn't say "one of the best RAP albums i've ever heard."
it's one of the best albums i've ever heard. no qualifiers.
i can see why somebody would think it was just as
great as anything else that's ever been released.

honestly, same goes for "nation of millions."





i'm sure there are others,
but like i said... i'm not a huge fan of the genre
so i really shouldn't start talking about it.



the beastie boys' "fight for your right to party"
is every bit the party record as "louie louie" or
any other pop metal recoord released in the 80s.


quality is quality.


and even if rap can't hang w/ soul as a genre,
i'd say that rap probablly has just as many great songs
as punk.


so it is what it is. it's all subjective anyway.

> ain't nobody hearing any of the Hip Hop Writers and
>producers going to mistaking them for Smokey Robinson,
>Holland,Dozier and Holland, Stevie Wonder,etc.
>
>
>cats ride off a groove and then write on top of that,which is
>one of the reasons why most cats in the genre don't last
>long.
>
>create and do your own thing period.
>
>if you want to cover that is cool, however sampling and
>looping has watered things down and always did.
>
>the truth is because these labels were racist and spiteful
>they allowed the bext generation of acts to ride off of
>sampling and looping and then turned around wanted coin,but
>not because of said originator act.
>
>it was cute when one didn't know any better, however if James
>Brown,George clinton,rick James and Sly Stone got paid every
>time they were sampled then they could have there own Mount
>rushmore.
>
>however somehow it didn't balance out. all it did was bread
>familiarity and hurt the creative process of you doing you.
>
>put it like this where are those acts now if they were so
>great with it back then?
>
>just as i thought Crickets.
>
>acts who do words and music and or make songs that timeless
>ain't gotta be making movies or Boutique this or that to keep
>a steady check unless they want to.
>
>

IMO...I love sample based music. The best hiphop songs contain samples. I don't think live musicans could have created the sound or feel that came out of sampling. The chop feel, the pitch change sound of a sample, different samples layered on top of eachother, etc... In today's world, we can look back at this "style" and analyize it as musicans and try to recreate. But I believe that musicans couldn't have created that "style" or sound.

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and cross eyed as are the Breaks.

King of ROck is looking at you crazy as well. Run DMC with Eddie Martinez Guitar is laughing crazy at this.

i can point to some tracks that were played live and it left a impact.

and in the long run i'll take a cat creating there own as to hopping on a made meal and just pushing start.

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because they were "playing" a sample of "Good Times" by Chic.


So it's not like they were coming up with their own groove.

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and don't be coming at me dude. you still madd because i know more about the Real CHI TOWN than you. i see what your agenda is.

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the point.

'rapper's delight' contains a jack as obvious as anything puff daddy did in the 90s.

>'rapper's delight' contains a jack as obvious as anything puff
>daddy did in the 90s.


yep.

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and for the record, Nile Rodgers has said he thought it was HIS shit the first time he heard it...


check the record, I think there was some legal shit behind that.



But MY point is this. Since the musicians are the end all to be all in this "why bother sampling" debate, why did they have to jack Chic? The band in question ( Wood, Brass, and Steel ) was dope enough to get nasty on some original shit ( see also: "Funkanova"), so why did they replay "Good Times"?


Simple answer:

It was a hot ass groove that everybody knew. AKA 'a sample'.


Your move, Maxxx...


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bottom line it falls into a known track and it was played live which sold it two times and it worked.

back in the day rappers used more live instrumentation before it became chic no pun intended to be lazy and shiftless and press buttons to sell the same ole song over and over.

back then Sampling was allowed by the industry and original artists either weren't getting paid or there records were out of print.

now man I got respect for you in general and also as a DJ who crate digs especially raritys, however the industry didn't do no crate digging, just straight song digging and used that formula for a way to make actual producers and Musicians lazy.

and FYI Kellz is far from Over, if you ever get cool in the CHI he will perhaps invite you out to the Chocolate Factory for his vault and hear those smoking jams he got.

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> bottom line it falls into a known track and it was played
>live which sold it two times and it worked.
>
>back in the day rappers used more live instrumentation before
>it became chic no pun intended to be lazy and shiftless and
>press buttons to sell the same ole song over and over.
>
>back then Sampling was allowed by the industry and original
>artists either weren't getting paid or there records were out
>of print.
>
>now man I got respect for you in general and also as a DJ who
>crate digs especially raritys, however the industry didn't do
>no crate digging, just straight song digging and used that
>formula for a way to make actual producers and Musicians
>lazy.
>
>and FYI Kellz is far from Over, if you ever get cool in the
>CHI he will perhaps invite you out to the Chocolate Factory
>for his vault and hear those smoking jams he got.
>
>

look it up if you can see. Kellz got natural born talent R&B TUrkey the real deal.

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I'm not talking about every beat ever made....and I'm not talking about the first popular hiphop songs. Yes, there are some hiphop beats that are played by live musicians. Rappers Delight and The Message do have a more natural/live feel. You are correct with that. But that's not exactly what I meant...

I'm talking about that "chop" feel that samples give. Not every beat is like that, I know that. There's a certain feel that a beat has when it's all chopped up. A feel that's not "natural" to musicians. But, looking back on beats like this, musicians today analyze it and try to recreate that feel.

Trust me....I'm I live musician and arranger. Live music is my heart, and it's my bread and butter. But I grew up on hiphop, and I appreciate it's contribution music and musical styles. I don't believe that live musicians could have created that "chop" feel, that feel came from using samplers, turntables, and drum machines.

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who gets paid if DJ so-n-so samples a cover song?
what if someone sampled a random person on youtube singing/playing a famous song?

>who gets paid if DJ so-n-so samples a cover song?

Both parties. The writer of the original version, and the perfomer of the version he sampled.

**EDIT**
The explanation is, because once somebody covers ( and releases ) it, it then becomes a NEW "original" recording. So DJ So-and-so is in fact sampling another artist. Think of how many versions of "My Favorite Things" or "Imagine" there are. If somebody samples say, Tracie Spencer's version of Imagine, She gets paid, AND Lennon gets paid.

>what if someone sampled a random person on youtube
>singing/playing a famous song?

You can't really copyright that ( assuming you're talking about just some cat singing into his laptop camera ).

But the original artist might come at him if he releases it. It might fall under interpolation, but I'm not sure. But the person who performed it on YouTube ain't got shit to say about it.

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interesting stuff

aren't you allowed to freely cover and do parodys of songs? the parody thing i know if true because there was this church group that covered pop songs and made them about god,and i was like do you guys pay out the ass for samples? and they kinda laughed and said they didnt have to.

i feel like there needs to be a consistent rule.

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i like music with instrument players and singers
but i'm not talkin' about that kind of music
i'm talkin' about a music where, where the music comes from
or how it's made isn't important
but the performance over that musical bed is the key factor
i.e. rap music or new jack rnb

so yeah, go argue somewhere else
cuz this ain't that kind of post
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turkeys made a living off of James Brown alone to feed the nation ok?

tired posts trying to applaud lazy shiftless turkeys from creating something with there own brains and two hands.

imagine Jimi Hendrix doing push button music? now imagine turkeys smapling and Looping Hendrix's stuff and being called Musical Genius?

that don't even make sense at all.

any lazy turkey can sing or rap over a already known song, however it takes somebody with there own brain to create and make something original and new.

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use that for their own sample libraries. I don't mean hire pro session musicians to play on their songs, just get some cats that play (they don't even have to be great players, as long as their tone and sound is good) and then record them and use that audio to chop up their own samples that they would own all the rights to.

When I was doing beats I would always sample and chop up myself playing bass or keys, and I would use recordings from jam sessions/rehearsals with other musicians as well as a source to chop my own samples. If you want clean samples then record an individual musician playing around on his instrument for around 10-15 minutes, and find small chops that you can flip and use out of that. If you want dirty/grimy samples, record a group of musicians jamming for 10-15 minutes and you can filter/chop it up however you want. If you do it that way you can make it sound like it came from some old rare album that noone is up on. If you want to get creative, record some musicians playing instruments outside of the normal "band" setting - like someone playing a harp, or cello, or sax, or whatever. Chop and flip it up, and you've got something unique.

Since you aren't having them play actual parts, the musicianship/professionalism of the musicians doesn't matter - just the sounds that you are recording. And you would have a library of samples that could be used on multiple tracks. It wouldn't be expensive at all - I don't know why there aren't more producers doing this.

I'm a Jazz guitarist/bassist/percussionist/composer
in tandem with being an emcee/beatsmith and this approach
is and has been an exremely streamlined one for me.

Granted I still sample records or course, I sample my own original Jazz compositions all the time and its extremely convenient because thats an infinite repository for me right there. The possibilities are endless and iouunnt gotta worry about politics in that regard.

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And tried alot of different ways of executing that. But it doesn't completely replace the option of sampling for me.

A friend and I used to bring a portable dat recorder with a boom mic to the music store and quickly capture some instruments like vibraphones and acoustic bass. We got kicked out a couple times. I rent a drum set every other year for a week and record a bunch of material for future use.

But still....I can't afford the mics they used on those old records...nor do I have access to the recording environments. Nor do I own the myriad of instruments available to a sampler. It's extremely rare that I sample a record because of the 'performance' or the playing of a phrase/passage. It's almost always because of the tonal quality or the inability to rent/play a certain instrument.

I don't have access to an orchestra or a string section....I don't own a celtic harp....I can't afford expensive mics and amps.....I can't play a horn....All reasons for incorporating sampling into music production.

to get all the various qualities, styles, and beautiful quirks of sampling recordings from all various times and places, you'd have to have thousands of musicians and singers at your disposal, an expensive shitload of old recording equipment, a masterful engineer who can premeditate and perfectly recreate any sonic flaw you may want, etc.

before you even start sampling them.

and then that would be it. no new discoveries.

the art of sampling would lose so much of its beauty and appeal

sampling are actually at the same level and skill set as those who made the original....

sampling is fine, but people acting like kanye west is a musician, producer, or composer of the same ilk as those who did it with real musicians is just foolish..

it's dragged Black music down to being super cheap

you chose the wrong fallguy. Kanye is on that level.

Jordan!

maybe if you are 20 and younger and don't know any better than you can be hoodwinked into that okey doke, however cats who have heard and seen the real deal, you can't push no Kayne West over as a legit Producer,arranger or writer.

personally He is one of the reasons about what is wrong with the Music indutry today IMO.

He ain't much of a rapper.

production is hit and miss.

i don't feel he has much substance whatsoever.

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and he's a decent songwriter when he wants to be.

i don't see how morphing a collection of samples
is any different from directing a horn player to execute a particular note at a particular time...

at least as far as the arrangement goes.
EDIT: especially when the song you flipped
sounds nothing like the finished composition.


i mean, if you had picked any other producer
i would pretty much agree with you.


but kanye is not in the same category
as whatever the fuck kids are listening to nowadays.



>sampling are actually at the same level and skill set as
>those who made the original....
>
>sampling is fine, but people acting like kanye west is a
>musician, producer, or composer of the same ilk as those who
>did it with real musicians is just foolish..
>
>it's dragged Black music down to being super cheap

I mean a few of his songs have sounded like he just put on the instrumental record of a curtis mayfield or gil scott heron song and put lyrics over it..

>I mean a few of his songs have sounded like he just put on
>the instrumental record of a curtis mayfield or gil scott
>heron song and put lyrics over it..
>
>

the nerve of somebody makign Kayne out to be great,good or even average is a insult on so many levels, ain't no depth in that turkeys music.

i bet Kayne West sees the word Original and he pulls a Fred G.Sanford.

he is one big gimmick with not much depth whatsoever. just another field hand who is corny and overrated. any turkey could do what he does if you put the right amount of money on him.

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it's okay.

stuff that is already a proven hit.

that is the problem and the sad part some of these wack turkeys like Clownye take credit for stuff they didn't do and never could do musically because the vocabulary of a cat playing a Horn and a cat sampling is like that of a Doctor and someone who plays one on tv. its a wide gap.

ain't no way in the world could some Jive hustler fake like Kayne West come up with sampling what Lois Armstrong could do with a Horn and knowing what the tempo and changes to go in.

please don't insult no horn players like that Homie.

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> stuff that is already a proven hit.
>
>that is the problem and the sad part some of these wack
>turkeys like Clownye take credit for stuff they didn't do and
>never could do musically because the vocabulary of a cat
>playing a Horn and a cat sampling is like that of a Doctor
>and someone who plays one on tv. its a wide gap.
>
>ain't no way in the world could some Jive hustler fake like
>Kayne West come up with sampling what Lois Armstrong could do
>with a Horn and knowing what the tempo and changes to go in.
>
>please don't insult no horn players like that Homie.

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