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Thanes1975
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"What Album is a total "WASTE" of GREAT BEATS to you?"


  

          

What Album is a total "WASTE" of GREAT BEATS to you? Any genre. I mena, the production just kills the lyrics, vocals or whatever.

"Highly developed spirits often encounter resistance from mediocre minds."-Albert Einstein

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aKa the Dudley Perkins post...
Feb 24th 2012
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yessir
Feb 25th 2012
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RE: aKa the Dudley Perkins post...
Feb 29th 2012
114
Livin' Proof
Feb 24th 2012
2
came in here to say this
Feb 24th 2012
5
Booo. The lyrics are part of the charm
Feb 24th 2012
6
I feel you
Feb 28th 2012
113
RE: came in here to say this
Feb 24th 2012
18
RE: came in here to say this
Feb 25th 2012
32
thats the first thing i thought of but, no.
Feb 25th 2012
28
This should be retitled "The Livin' Proof Corellary"
Feb 25th 2012
43
      came in here to see if "Living Proof" was mentioned...
Feb 25th 2012
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           RE: came in here to see if "Living Proof" was mentioned...
Feb 26th 2012
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will smith, "born to reign."
Feb 24th 2012
3
most stuff produced by jay dee
Feb 24th 2012
4
48 hours n/m
Feb 24th 2012
7
I Disagree
Feb 24th 2012
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RE: most stuff produced by jay dee
Feb 24th 2012
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Return to the 36 chambers?
Feb 25th 2012
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RE: most stuff produced by jay dee
Feb 25th 2012
31
most are going to disagree...but you are 100% on point
Feb 24th 2012
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true. I've always overlooked it cuz da beats were bangin
Feb 25th 2012
47
Killarmy
Feb 24th 2012
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Yup. Quiet Wars should have featured some Silent Mcees
Feb 24th 2012
15
Jay-Z, Kingdom Come.
Feb 24th 2012
9
RE: Jay-Z, Kingdom Come.
Feb 24th 2012
12
It's amazing how he managed to make those Just Blaze tracks so boring
Feb 24th 2012
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Dude..Man.....when we first heard Just put that beat on his Myspace???
Feb 26th 2012
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      I just put it on to refresh my memory...
Feb 26th 2012
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Every Producer's "Jay-Z Black Album" Remixes
Feb 24th 2012
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good one
Feb 24th 2012
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basically all of Gangstarr's
Feb 24th 2012
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RE: basically all of Gangstarr's
Feb 24th 2012
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RE: basically all of Gangstarr's
Feb 27th 2012
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smh.
Feb 25th 2012
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disrespectful
Feb 25th 2012
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I didn't insult Guru.
Feb 25th 2012
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Because he's dead everybody has to think he was GOAT? Fuck off.
Feb 25th 2012
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      I will kick you in your vag
Feb 25th 2012
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      if u think Guru is wack
Feb 26th 2012
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           RE: if u think Guru is wack
Feb 27th 2012
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^superproducer solar
Feb 25th 2012
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lol there's a name I haven't seen inna while
Feb 25th 2012
33
Feb 26th 2012
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jump off a bridge
Feb 25th 2012
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I'll never understand
Feb 25th 2012
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      while he may not have been technically as strong at times,
Feb 25th 2012
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      annnnnd his voice was his worst quality to me.
Feb 26th 2012
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      no he was kind of a dickhead actually but he was a good MC
Feb 25th 2012
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      revisionist history?
Feb 26th 2012
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           yeah, this part is obvious
Feb 26th 2012
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                exactly
Feb 26th 2012
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                     Or......your taste is wack
Feb 26th 2012
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                     if you think Guru
Feb 26th 2012
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                     come back when u understand hip-hop or what 'revisionist history' means
Feb 26th 2012
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                          OMFG YOU PEOPLE ARE INSANE
Feb 26th 2012
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                               Ion't know about you but I wouldn't want to hear anyone else
Feb 26th 2012
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                               Ugh see and here's the problem
Feb 27th 2012
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                                    NOPE YOU LYIN!
Feb 27th 2012
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                                         lol @ you playing Gotcha
Feb 27th 2012
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                                              WASTE was capitalized!
Feb 27th 2012
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                                                   Yall are funny
Feb 27th 2012
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                               HEY HEY HEY HEYYYYYY
Feb 27th 2012
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                                    lol
Feb 27th 2012
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      pick yourself up and jump off another bridge dummy
Feb 25th 2012
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I disagree wholeheartedly but you're entitled to your opinion
Feb 26th 2012
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RE: basically all of Gangstarr's
Feb 26th 2012
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its official
Feb 29th 2012
116
PREACH!!! Fuck all the backpacker fap sessions for Guru
Apr 05th 2012
122
Train of Thought
Feb 24th 2012
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HAhahahahahahhahahahaha foh
Feb 25th 2012
35
RE: Train of Thought
Feb 26th 2012
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BAYTL, gucci & v-nasty
Feb 24th 2012
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best answer so far
Feb 24th 2012
23
Ugod's first album
Feb 25th 2012
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the beats weren't even that good for the most part
Feb 25th 2012
40
Quasimoto
Feb 25th 2012
36
disqualified due to official instrumental version
Feb 25th 2012
51
RIck Ross - Deeper Then Rap
Feb 25th 2012
39
Illmatic
Feb 25th 2012
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RE: Please try harder.
Feb 25th 2012
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nigga
Feb 25th 2012
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kookaburra is more appropriate
Feb 25th 2012
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That's not even a funny joke.
Feb 26th 2012
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go put on your namesake and jump in a barrel of poop
Feb 26th 2012
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RE: Illmatic
Feb 29th 2012
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The Carter 1-4, All Ace Hood Albums
Feb 25th 2012
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Minus the part
Feb 27th 2012
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The Game's 2nd album
Feb 25th 2012
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RE: The Game's 2nd album
Feb 26th 2012
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RE: What Album is a total "WASTE" of GREAT BEATS to you?
Feb 26th 2012
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Doggy's Angels album
Feb 26th 2012
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Id have to take your word for that, bcuz no way I was hearing that album
Feb 26th 2012
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      Truth is, they weren't BAD rappers at all, hella average. But man
Feb 26th 2012
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           RE: Truth is, they weren't BAD rappers at all, hella average. But man
Feb 27th 2012
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           I forgot they even rapped, I think I thought they were R&B chicks
Feb 27th 2012
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i thought KRS said the bridge was over?
Feb 27th 2012
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INI, GROUP HOME, SLUM VILLAGE............
Feb 27th 2012
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GROUP HOME???? You was feelin' their raps?
Feb 27th 2012
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      no worse than slum members not named Jay Dee
Feb 27th 2012
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           mmm idk man
Feb 27th 2012
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                Love movement sounds JUST LIKE Slum on a lot of songs, even though
Feb 27th 2012
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MED - Push Comes to Shove n/m
Feb 27th 2012
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Everything ever put out by The Game
Feb 27th 2012
85
Illa J - Yancey Boys
Feb 27th 2012
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^^^
Feb 27th 2012
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Oh man....some of those lyrics are just plain offensive.
Feb 27th 2012
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      RE: Oh man....some of those lyrics are just plain offensive.
Feb 27th 2012
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Electric Circus
Feb 27th 2012
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RE: Electric Circus
Feb 27th 2012
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i always thought it was the other way around
Feb 28th 2012
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      RE: i always thought it was the other way around
Feb 28th 2012
112
Shyne-Shyne
Feb 27th 2012
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Nearly every Snoop song produced by The Neptunes
Feb 27th 2012
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FOH
Feb 27th 2012
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Nah. Now songs like "Down 4 my niggs" "Woof" and "All I do is win"
Feb 27th 2012
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'Universal Mind Control' had some amazing Neptunes production
Feb 28th 2012
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RE: 'Universal Mind Control' had some amazing Neptunes production
Feb 29th 2012
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plus a couple of gems from mr dj
Apr 05th 2012
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      dude had the best beats on the album IMO
Apr 05th 2012
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Boo Yaa TRIBE - West Kosta Nostra
Feb 29th 2012
118
From Left Field: Janet Jackson-Damita Jo
Feb 29th 2012
119
RE: From Left Field: Janet Jackson-Damita Jo
Apr 05th 2012
120

Crash85
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1. "aKa the Dudley Perkins post..."
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27. "yessir"
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madlib put his foot in that jawn. we havent seen THAT madlib consistently since

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114. "RE: aKa the Dudley Perkins post..."
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...ding ding ding...winner...duke is super weak/boring/talentless...anyway, carry on....

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2. "Livin' Proof"
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5. "came in here to say this"
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Some other honorable mentions:

Brian Green "One Stop Carnival"
The Beatnuts (self titled LP AKA Street Level)

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6. "Booo. The lyrics are part of the charm"
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>The Beatnuts (self titled LP AKA Street Level)

Plus id argue that a really good lyricist would be a distraction from the beats since they were so nuanced.

  

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113. "I feel you"
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I'll go as far to say that the lyrics are tolerable (I feel like Psycho Les and Juju improved after that album, but then the beats weren't as good IMO) but considering that at the time I was an Organized Konfusion fan, the shit that The Beatnuts were on in comparison didn't cut it for me.

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18. "RE: came in here to say this"
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>Some other honorable mentions:
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>Brian Green "One Stop Carnival"
>The Beatnuts (self titled LP AKA Street Level)
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Yea that brian green album had really good early 90's sounding beats.

And to be honest he's better than half the people out today, even though he's not that good.

Does an instrumental of that album exist anywhere I kind of want to listen to it now. lol

Good post btw OP.

  

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32. "RE: came in here to say this"
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>Some other honorable mentions:
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>Brian Green "One Stop Carnival"

yeah. that could've been The Pharcyde's third proper LP

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28. "thats the first thing i thought of but, no."
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they cant rap, but somehow it wasnt a "waste"

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43. "This should be retitled "The Livin' Proof Corellary""
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That's the most obvious example I can think of.


A lesser example of that would be the Deda "Original Baby Pa" album. Deda had more charm than the Group Home cats though, so his rhymes were more tolerable even though he was a below average rapper. He would still say some shit that would at least make me smirk from time to time.


I'm also not a big fan of InI as emcees either so throw "Center of Attention" on my list as well. Those dudes were average though. Not bad rappers, just not necessarily good rappers. But could you imagine a legitimately BEAST emcee over the "Life I Live" beat? C'mon son.

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44. "came in here to see if "Living Proof" was mentioned..."
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thank you.

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64. "RE: came in here to see if "Living Proof" was mentioned..."
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LOL...Yep...Living Proof production was out of this world..

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3. "will smith, "born to reign.""
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that really could have been some kind of minor classic.

  

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4. "most stuff produced by jay dee"
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7. "48 hours n/m"
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10. "I Disagree "
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See when you think about it, when it came to J-Dilla's club type beats, it's hardly any rappers that would pick & rap over those joints other than Frank Nitty & Dank, even though I could see a few kats like Busta Rhymes or Jay-Z on those.

Secondly, "48 Hours" that was leaked & bootlegged isn't the original version, it's the reproduced version with new beats (cause the label told them that the one they gave had too many samples for them to clear) so J-Dilla created those beats just for that album, those wasn't just beats he intended for any other rappers to purchase and rap to.


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13. "RE: most stuff produced by jay dee"
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I'm sure a lot of people will not agree with the Dilla response. I actually don't think Dilla is that great when producing a full LP but thats just me. Now just making a beat, he is one of the best ever. As for this post, ODB debut was almost a waste of great beats but his personality on the mic saved him..and the LP

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24. "Return to the 36 chambers?"
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Y'all turning me into Fucking Fred Sanford. Stop this shit!

Taking shots in the dark/that's a bad call
Going straight for your head/ gotta saw it off

  

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31. "RE: most stuff produced by jay dee"
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Don't confuse artists using his beats on their projects to albums where he had input in the outcome.

  

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14. "most are going to disagree...but you are 100% on point"
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47. "true. I've always overlooked it cuz da beats were bangin"
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but a LOT his production has wack rhymes over it.

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8. "Killarmy"
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I recently picked up Killarmy's Silent waepons for quiet wars (1997) in a used vinyl store. I remember listening to it back in the day when everything with the W on it had my interest, but I couldn't really remember how good it was.

Anyway, 4th Diciples beats are great. Like so dope that it makes you wonder why his career never took off. He definitely had that wu-sound, but with a jazzy edge that RZA never had. Unfortunately, besides Killa Sin and Beretta 9 who are decent, the rapping is pretty much unlistenable, not only are the lyrics cliches upon cliches but most of the members are struggling with basic stuff such as voice control and staying on beat. Rza's younger brother 9th Prince is absolutely terrible.

A total waste of great beats.

  

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15. "Yup. Quiet Wars should have featured some Silent Mcees"
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I actually think three of them can rap decent though. Killa Sin is legitimately good. Dom Pachino is solid. Beretta 9 is tolerable for the most part. The others end up ruining the songs, especially 9th Prince who was on damn near every song.
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9. "Jay-Z, Kingdom Come."
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Well, that was the closest thing that I've heard where I was really let down with the combo of beats + rhymes. Some of the beats on that album were bullshit, too.

It was like a "typical Nas album" in reverse. The title track, especially was some bullshit. I absolutely adore that Rick James flip, but The Dromedary God had to go and fuck it up with that bullshit ass hook, and some of the verses sounded like self-parody.

  

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12. "RE: Jay-Z, Kingdom Come."
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Yeah, I can see that. I thought the production was pretty dope but lyrics outside of the intro were lazy

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16. "It's amazing how he managed to make those Just Blaze tracks so boring"
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I don't even think I've heard the whole album in full, but what I have heard is more of the same. I really thought dude was OVER, but American Gangster was nice.

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69. "Dude..Man.....when we first heard Just put that beat on his Myspace???"
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I was like WTF, this shit is ridic!!!!!!! And we all said "if Jay comes back to this song????? Hell yea!!!!!!" Then we heard that he made that his title track and was gonna use it, we were HYPE!

Then we heard it, and..............................eh.....blah. Completely hated it and forgot about it. Beat doesn't even sound the same anymore. He was like 4.5/10 on that song.

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71. "I just put it on to refresh my memory..."
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and you guys are right. This beat is insane. Jay didn't do shit with it.

There is one quotable, tho...

"I take off the blazer, loosen up the tie
step inside the booth, SuperMan is aliiiive"

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11. "Every Producer's "Jay-Z Black Album" Remixes"
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I've heard over 20 to 30 different "Black Album" remixes and I have to say it was a lot of good beats on those, and a few that were terrible as well but for the most part, tons of beats could've been used for other rappers but I guess back then it was the "in thing" to do when Jay decided to copy Nas and release an acapella version his album, and it was a way for beatmakers to get some attention since people were seeking these remixes out.

That Kev Brown remix album were the best out of the entire batch of "Black Album" remixes next to Ninthwonder's, (btw, yeah I hated mousedanger's beatles version so don't even bring that crap up).


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21. "good one"
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nm

  

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17. "basically all of Gangstarr's"
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19. "RE: basically all of Gangstarr's"
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>
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I see your point......but I still like moment of truth as is.

  

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91. "RE: basically all of Gangstarr's"
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You grimey son. (not wrong, but grimey)

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25. "smh."
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http://i54.tinypic.com/2j51hj4.jpg

  

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26. "disrespectful"
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37. "I didn't insult Guru."
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"I mena, the production just kills the lyrics, vocals or whatever."

c'mon man, it is what it is.

  

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41. "Because he's dead everybody has to think he was GOAT? Fuck off."
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I'd widen the range to include every Premo produced album though.

The Sun Rises in the East is my favourite, but I'm definitely not listening to that for Jeru.

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45. "I will kick you in your vag"
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59. "if u think Guru is wack"
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u know nothing about hip hop

lol

fucking noobs

  

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109. "RE: if u think Guru is wack"
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yep...Guru was far from wack. Maybe a boring style to some but FAR from wack. Moment of Truth was great mcing to me...for real..

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29. "^superproducer solar"
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Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

  

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33. "lol there's a name I haven't seen inna while "
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66. ""
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30. "jump off a bridge"
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38. "I'll never understand"
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why people give and GAVE guru a pass back then, I chalked it up to the production, and because he must have just been a cool guy.

  

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48. "while he may not have been technically as strong at times, "
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I think what made Guru stand out was his voice, his flow, and often times his subject matter. I lot of those Primo beats fit Guru perfectly and weren't a waste all if you ask me.

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56. "annnnnd his voice was his worst quality to me."
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so monotonous and not in a good way like DOOM.

I don't want this to turn into a Guru bashing though

so it's w/e.

The beats clearly outshine the rhymes and that's what the threads about.

  

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49. "no he was kind of a dickhead actually but he was a good MC"
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in fact people didn't even really start thinking about Premier as the driving force of the group until maybe their 3rd or 4th album.

Guru had a classic voice, was versatile in terms of topics/concepts, has a ton of quotables and has been the lead vocal on more great songs than most MCs you can name.

He doesn't need a pass from anybody that actually understands rap music & isn't buying into the revisionist history party lines with their boring-ass opinions about him being wack.

  

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57. "revisionist history?"
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I wasn't there for the original history, the original history has NO BEARING on how I feel about Guru, I don't care whether people though Guru was a dope MC in '92.

In 2012 Guru on the Gangstarr LP's does not impress me.

  

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62. "yeah, this part is obvious "
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>I wasn't there for the original history,

  

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63. "exactly"
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no rose-tinted shades/bias

I can see Guru for what he was, not much of a technician just good enough to give you that nod factor.

  

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68. "Or......your taste is wack"
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Go get emotional over that new Drake.

  

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77. "if you think Guru"
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is super lyrical you're in denial.

I said Guru isn't a top tier MC he isn't.

can you refute that sir^ can you?

If you can't then don't respond and stfu.

If you respond and don't refute my point that Guru isn't a top tier MC, then you're mad.

  

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72. "come back when u understand hip-hop or what 'revisionist history' means"
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78. "OMFG YOU PEOPLE ARE INSANE"
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Jesus Christ what the fuck, Guru was not spitting like Nas, anyone in the Wu, Jay, Biggie, shit I'd take 2Pac's mediocrity over Guru's over those beats.

What the fuck, I didn't say Guru sucked balls

I just said those beats clearly outshine Guru,

Premier's production value > Gurus lyrical value

damn son

why yall mad?

  

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79. "Ion't know about you but I wouldn't want to hear anyone else"
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on those albums. they are what they are. Guru said a lot of dope shit on them, it always feels like he's spitting "precisely the right rhymes" ©.


I mean if everyone has to be held to the standard of Biggie and Jay then we might as well only let fifteen or twenty dudes in the studio ever. Guru on Premier is one of my great joys in life, I feel bad for people who listen to Gangstarr albums and start wondering what they'd sound like if they were Kool G Rap albums. That was never the point.


Lastly, the thread title says WASTE of good beats. So no matter what you're saying in your posts, you said Gangstarr in a thread about WASTED BEATS. You can't tell me one beat Guru wasted that I'd believe you about, not even on his Jazzmatazz joints.


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99. "Ugh see and here's the problem"
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my original post threw no shade at Guru I didn't disrespect him or tear him down at all.

The OP said where the beats clearly outshine the rhymes.

And with Gang Starr, the beats DO clearly outshine the rhymes.

I never tore down Guru, people just caught feelings.

Then when I pointed out that Guru isn't exactly a lyrical genius, and that the beats DO outshine the rhymes they thought I was saying Guru was whack.

I don't need super lyricism to enjoy the music, I like Gucci/Kid Cudi/Jeezy.

It's about enjoying the music.

I enjoy Gang Starr's production, and Guru is just good enough to pass; and allow me to head nod and zone out.

  

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101. "NOPE YOU LYIN!"
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>The OP said where the beats clearly outshine the rhymes.

somebody already made this clear but the OG post strictly states " total WASTE of beats" not this watered down frontin and backtracking "outshining" u talkin bout

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106. "lol @ you playing Gotcha"
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"waste" was and still is in quotation marks

I took it Thanes put the marks around "waste" for a reason

I took it as he meant that "wasting" a beat is something that can be done, because I don't think it's possible to "waste" a beat.

Premier made those beats for Guru, they weren't "wasted" it is what it is.

The Beats /do/ clearly outshine Guru's lyrics, that's what I took the post to be about.

Who am I to TELL PREMO HE WASTED HIS BEATS?

That would be insane, I'm not that arrogant.

  

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107. "WASTE was capitalized!"
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lmao!

tryna b cute n shit foh

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108. "Yall are funny"
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do the Gang Starr records not fit within the parameters he set

parameters -----> Beats clearly outshine the lyrics/vocals

Just answer yes or no.

If you say no you'z a lie.

  

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92. "HEY HEY HEY HEYYYYYY"
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you took it too far. You don't have to be a great MC to make great music. Music is more than your technical ability. who other than guru would inform you that lemonade was a popular drink and then update you to that fact that lemonade is still popular.

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98. "lol"
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50. "pick yourself up and jump off another bridge dummy"
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58. "I disagree wholeheartedly but you're entitled to your opinion"
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75. "RE: basically all of Gangstarr's"
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I can't agree with you on this. Guru had some great moments on all of Gangstarr LP's

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116. "its official"
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i think you're one of the most ignorant people in here. please stop posting

  

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122. "PREACH!!! Fuck all the backpacker fap sessions for Guru "
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That dude is a boring ass abc mc.

  

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20. "Train of Thought"
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--L--

  

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35. "HAhahahahahahhahahahaha foh"
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65. "RE: Train of Thought"
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What? Talib did a great job on that LP...solid lyrics over great production

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22. "BAYTL, gucci & v-nasty"
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23. "best answer so far"
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zaytoven and gucci is always at least good, this got absolutely ruined though.

  

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34. "Ugod's first album"
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RZA production was pretty good but while I don't mind a Ugod verse here and there a whole album of Ugod is too much

  

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40. "the beats weren't even that good for the most part"
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Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

OutKast, Gang Starr, UGK, Mobb Deep and Eightball & MJG

  

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36. "Quasimoto"
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51. "disqualified due to official instrumental version"
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39. "RIck Ross - Deeper Then Rap "
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https://twitter.com/onnextlevel

  

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42. "Illmatic"
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http://www.last.fm/user/_CondoM_/

  

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46. "RE: Please try harder."
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52. "nigga"
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"This is dedicated to whom it may concern."-Donny Hathaway

  

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53. "kookaburra is more appropriate"
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60. "That's not even a funny joke."
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67. "go put on your namesake and jump in a barrel of poop"
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117. "RE: Illmatic"
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This is not even a serious reply. Nas lyrically legendary on this LP. This is not even up for debate on no hip hop site or conversation....

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54. "The Carter 1-4, All Ace Hood Albums"
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Big Sean wastes a few beats on finally famous.

Common has a few records like that.

Jin wasted a Kanye beat.

Triple C's album is a waste of great beats.

Paul Wall wasted a few beats.

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81. "Minus the part"
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where there isn't a single rapper out there who would've destroyed those beats the way he did on Carter II and III.

This is the hyperbole post. I could see Carter IV or modern lazy Wayne, but those older ones certainly weren't remotely wasted. Hell, in that era Wayne was busy destroying other people's beats regularly as is displayed on Drought III and the other famous mixtapes.

  

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55. "The Game's 2nd album"
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74. "RE: The Game's 2nd album"
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Yep, Game second LP has some crazy beats on it. That was his chance to grow as an artist but to me he really didn't..

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61. "RE: What Album is a total "WASTE" of GREAT BEATS to you?"
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scarface presents the product...

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70. "Doggy's Angels album"
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73. "Id have to take your word for that, bcuz no way I was hearing that album"
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76. "Truth is, they weren't BAD rappers at all, hella average. But man"
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I'll say this. It was 2000-2001, and the West was on FIRE, especially in Snoop's camp. So Battlecat and Fred Wreck production? Yeah, it had better production than most of our albums at that time, and it had some dope features on it. Shit, check these tracks - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnKHlQQPXVc - http://youtu.be/vo52e1f9q3k on that "Gangsta in me" we all heard it first on Tha Eastsidaz intro and said got damn that beat?????? I still haven't heard a beat like this before, and it still goes hard

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82. "RE: Truth is, they weren't BAD rappers at all, hella average. But man"
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I have to go back and check some of those tracks out..

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105. "I forgot they even rapped, I think I thought they were R&B chicks"
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but that was a good era in terms of Snoop, right as he was getting that No Limit stink off him & that Eastsidaz album was strong.

2000-2002 Snoop is the best era to me outside of 92-94.

  

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80. "i thought KRS said the bridge was over?"
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lotta Trolls showed up anyway, i see...

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83. "INI, GROUP HOME, SLUM VILLAGE............"
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.....if you're thinking any of these, you need to get slapped

  

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86. "GROUP HOME???? You was feelin' their raps?"
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I agree on INI and Slum, slum, but Group Home could not flow consistently....
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88. "no worse than slum members not named Jay Dee"
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102. "mmm idk man"
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Slum Village innovated a lot as far as cadence/delivery... you had cats like Common and Q Tip jacking their whole style on that tip once their tapes started circulating...and a style that, out of all of them i most closely associate with T3, really. Group Home was just sort of average.

  

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103. "Love movement sounds JUST LIKE Slum on a lot of songs, even though"
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Dilla was involved and I know that would go hand n hand.

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84. "MED - Push Comes to Shove n/m"
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85. "Everything ever put out by The Game"
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I can't recall a less qualified rapper for such top notch production, especially on the Documentary. You could make a case for him being the worst member of G-Unit at the time if you don't count Yayo. You could also make the case for the Documentary as having the best slate of beats out of any G-unit release ever, and that includes GRODT.

  

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87. "Illa J - Yancey Boys"
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that is all

  

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89. "^^^"
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finally a good one.

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95. "Oh man....some of those lyrics are just plain offensive."
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Love most of those beats though.

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100. "RE: Oh man....some of those lyrics are just plain offensive."
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lol...yeah man, I heard the album and was depressed that those beats were wasted. Luckily they released an instrumental version. I love the "Timeless" beat...

  

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90. "Electric Circus"
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I'd also like to throw in a waste of perfect mixing/mastering.

Lies run sprints.
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93. "RE: Electric Circus"
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The beats on that LP werent that good to me....2nd worst to UMC on Common list of LP's

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111. "i always thought it was the other way around"
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same common, but music was too out there.

not to me, though. i thought it was a great LP all the way around.

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112. "RE: i always thought it was the other way around"
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>same common, but music was too out there.

It was. He was spitting bars all over that album.


>not to me, though. i thought it was a great LP all the way
>around.

Same here. I can do without Jimi was a Rock Star and Electric Wire Hustle Flower, but the rest? Dope.

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94. "Shyne-Shyne"
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always liked the beats, not so much the rhymes

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96. "Nearly every Snoop song produced by The Neptunes"
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A lot of The Game's songs.

I can't think of anything specific at the moment.

  

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97. "FOH"
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104. "Nah. Now songs like "Down 4 my niggs" "Woof" and "All I do is win""
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I'd agree that Snoop sounds lazy. But the way he rhymed the WHOLE song on "Beautiful?" His flow at Bar 9 of "Drop it like it's hot" 2nd verse?? "Run mothafucka, run!!!!" on "Vato?"

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110. "'Universal Mind Control' had some amazing Neptunes production"
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...but it just wasn't a good fit for Common, in my opinion.

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115. "RE: 'Universal Mind Control' had some amazing Neptunes production"
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I need to go back and listen then b/c I had a hard time checking it out...

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121. "plus a couple of gems from mr dj"
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i made this post a few years back and people strongly disagreed.

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123. "dude had the best beats on the album IMO"
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118. "Boo Yaa TRIBE - West Kosta Nostra"
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I bought the album because Battlecat produced all the beats (Except the Eminem song).

  

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119. "From Left Field: Janet Jackson-Damita Jo"
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There's some really good production on it....and Janet just mumbled over most of it.

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120. "RE: From Left Field: Janet Jackson-Damita Jo"
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I never heard that LP. The only Janet LP I never gave a spin.

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