What Album is a total "WASTE" of GREAT BEATS to you? Any genre. I mena, the production just kills the lyrics, vocals or whatever.

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>The Beatnuts (self titled LP AKA Street Level)

Plus id argue that a really good lyricist would be a distraction from the beats since they were so nuanced.

I'll go as far to say that the lyrics are tolerable (I feel like Psycho Les and Juju improved after that album, but then the beats weren't as good IMO) but considering that at the time I was an Organized Konfusion fan, the shit that The Beatnuts were on in comparison didn't cut it for me.

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>Some other honorable mentions:
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>Brian Green "One Stop Carnival"
>The Beatnuts (self titled LP AKA Street Level)
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Yea that brian green album had really good early 90's sounding beats.

And to be honest he's better than half the people out today, even though he's not that good.

Does an instrumental of that album exist anywhere I kind of want to listen to it now. lol

Good post btw OP.

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yeah. that could've been The Pharcyde's third proper LP

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they cant rap, but somehow it wasnt a "waste"

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That's the most obvious example I can think of.


A lesser example of that would be the Deda "Original Baby Pa" album. Deda had more charm than the Group Home cats though, so his rhymes were more tolerable even though he was a below average rapper. He would still say some shit that would at least make me smirk from time to time.


I'm also not a big fan of InI as emcees either so throw "Center of Attention" on my list as well. Those dudes were average though. Not bad rappers, just not necessarily good rappers. But could you imagine a legitimately BEAST emcee over the "Life I Live" beat? C'mon son.

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LOL...Yep...Living Proof production was out of this world..

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that really could have been some kind of minor classic.

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See when you think about it, when it came to J-Dilla's club type beats, it's hardly any rappers that would pick & rap over those joints other than Frank Nitty & Dank, even though I could see a few kats like Busta Rhymes or Jay-Z on those.

Secondly, "48 Hours" that was leaked & bootlegged isn't the original version, it's the reproduced version with new beats (cause the label told them that the one they gave had too many samples for them to clear) so J-Dilla created those beats just for that album, those wasn't just beats he intended for any other rappers to purchase and rap to.

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I'm sure a lot of people will not agree with the Dilla response. I actually don't think Dilla is that great when producing a full LP but thats just me. Now just making a beat, he is one of the best ever. As for this post, ODB debut was almost a waste of great beats but his personality on the mic saved him..and the LP

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Y'all turning me into Fucking Fred Sanford. Stop this shit!

Taking shots in the dark/that's a bad call
Going straight for your head/ gotta saw it off

Don't confuse artists using his beats on their projects to albums where he had input in the outcome.

but a LOT his production has wack rhymes over it.

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I recently picked up Killarmy's Silent waepons for quiet wars (1997) in a used vinyl store. I remember listening to it back in the day when everything with the W on it had my interest, but I couldn't really remember how good it was.

Anyway, 4th Diciples beats are great. Like so dope that it makes you wonder why his career never took off. He definitely had that wu-sound, but with a jazzy edge that RZA never had. Unfortunately, besides Killa Sin and Beretta 9 who are decent, the rapping is pretty much unlistenable, not only are the lyrics cliches upon cliches but most of the members are struggling with basic stuff such as voice control and staying on beat. Rza's younger brother 9th Prince is absolutely terrible.

A total waste of great beats.

I actually think three of them can rap decent though. Killa Sin is legitimately good. Dom Pachino is solid. Beretta 9 is tolerable for the most part. The others end up ruining the songs, especially 9th Prince who was on damn near every song.
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Well, that was the closest thing that I've heard where I was really let down with the combo of beats + rhymes. Some of the beats on that album were bullshit, too.

It was like a "typical Nas album" in reverse. The title track, especially was some bullshit. I absolutely adore that Rick James flip, but The Dromedary God had to go and fuck it up with that bullshit ass hook, and some of the verses sounded like self-parody.

Yeah, I can see that. I thought the production was pretty dope but lyrics outside of the intro were lazy

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I don't even think I've heard the whole album in full, but what I have heard is more of the same. I really thought dude was OVER, but American Gangster was nice.

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I was like WTF, this shit is ridic!!!!!!! And we all said "if Jay comes back to this song????? Hell yea!!!!!!" Then we heard that he made that his title track and was gonna use it, we were HYPE!

Then we heard it, and..............................eh.....blah. Completely hated it and forgot about it. Beat doesn't even sound the same anymore. He was like 4.5/10 on that song.

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I've heard over 20 to 30 different "Black Album" remixes and I have to say it was a lot of good beats on those, and a few that were terrible as well but for the most part, tons of beats could've been used for other rappers but I guess back then it was the "in thing" to do when Jay decided to copy Nas and release an acapella version his album, and it was a way for beatmakers to get some attention since people were seeking these remixes out.

That Kev Brown remix album were the best out of the entire batch of "Black Album" remixes next to Ninthwonder's, (btw, yeah I hated mousedanger's beatles version so don't even bring that crap up).

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I see your point......but I still like moment of truth as is.

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"I mena, the production just kills the lyrics, vocals or whatever."

c'mon man, it is what it is.

I'd widen the range to include every Premo produced album though.

The Sun Rises in the East is my favourite, but I'm definitely not listening to that for Jeru.

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u know nothing about hip hop

lol

fucking noobs

yep...Guru was far from wack. Maybe a boring style to some but FAR from wack. Moment of Truth was great mcing to me...for real..

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why people give and GAVE guru a pass back then, I chalked it up to the production, and because he must have just been a cool guy.

I think what made Guru stand out was his voice, his flow, and often times his subject matter. I lot of those Primo beats fit Guru perfectly and weren't a waste all if you ask me.

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so monotonous and not in a good way like DOOM.

I don't want this to turn into a Guru bashing though

so it's w/e.

The beats clearly outshine the rhymes and that's what the threads about.

in fact people didn't even really start thinking about Premier as the driving force of the group until maybe their 3rd or 4th album.

Guru had a classic voice, was versatile in terms of topics/concepts, has a ton of quotables and has been the lead vocal on more great songs than most MCs you can name.

He doesn't need a pass from anybody that actually understands rap music & isn't buying into the revisionist history party lines with their boring-ass opinions about him being wack.

I wasn't there for the original history, the original history has NO BEARING on how I feel about Guru, I don't care whether people though Guru was a dope MC in '92.

In 2012 Guru on the Gangstarr LP's does not impress me.

>I wasn't there for the original history,

no rose-tinted shades/bias

I can see Guru for what he was, not much of a technician just good enough to give you that nod factor.

Go get emotional over that new Drake.

is super lyrical you're in denial.

I said Guru isn't a top tier MC he isn't.

can you refute that sir^ can you?

If you can't then don't respond and stfu.

If you respond and don't refute my point that Guru isn't a top tier MC, then you're mad.

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Jesus Christ what the fuck, Guru was not spitting like Nas, anyone in the Wu, Jay, Biggie, shit I'd take 2Pac's mediocrity over Guru's over those beats.

What the fuck, I didn't say Guru sucked balls

I just said those beats clearly outshine Guru,

Premier's production value > Gurus lyrical value

damn son

why yall mad?

on those albums. they are what they are. Guru said a lot of dope shit on them, it always feels like he's spitting "precisely the right rhymes" ©.


I mean if everyone has to be held to the standard of Biggie and Jay then we might as well only let fifteen or twenty dudes in the studio ever. Guru on Premier is one of my great joys in life, I feel bad for people who listen to Gangstarr albums and start wondering what they'd sound like if they were Kool G Rap albums. That was never the point.


Lastly, the thread title says WASTE of good beats. So no matter what you're saying in your posts, you said Gangstarr in a thread about WASTED BEATS. You can't tell me one beat Guru wasted that I'd believe you about, not even on his Jazzmatazz joints.


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my original post threw no shade at Guru I didn't disrespect him or tear him down at all.

The OP said where the beats clearly outshine the rhymes.

And with Gang Starr, the beats DO clearly outshine the rhymes.

I never tore down Guru, people just caught feelings.

Then when I pointed out that Guru isn't exactly a lyrical genius, and that the beats DO outshine the rhymes they thought I was saying Guru was whack.

I don't need super lyricism to enjoy the music, I like Gucci/Kid Cudi/Jeezy.

It's about enjoying the music.

I enjoy Gang Starr's production, and Guru is just good enough to pass; and allow me to head nod and zone out.

>The OP said where the beats clearly outshine the rhymes.

somebody already made this clear but the OG post strictly states " total WASTE of beats" not this watered down frontin and backtracking "outshining" u talkin bout

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"waste" was and still is in quotation marks

I took it Thanes put the marks around "waste" for a reason

I took it as he meant that "wasting" a beat is something that can be done, because I don't think it's possible to "waste" a beat.

Premier made those beats for Guru, they weren't "wasted" it is what it is.

The Beats /do/ clearly outshine Guru's lyrics, that's what I took the post to be about.

Who am I to TELL PREMO HE WASTED HIS BEATS?

That would be insane, I'm not that arrogant.

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do the Gang Starr records not fit within the parameters he set

parameters -----> Beats clearly outshine the lyrics/vocals

Just answer yes or no.

If you say no you'z a lie.

you took it too far. You don't have to be a great MC to make great music. Music is more than your technical ability. who other than guru would inform you that lemonade was a popular drink and then update you to that fact that lemonade is still popular.

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I can't agree with you on this. Guru had some great moments on all of Gangstarr LP's

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i think you're one of the most ignorant people in here. please stop posting

That dude is a boring ass abc mc.

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What? Talib did a great job on that LP...solid lyrics over great production

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zaytoven and gucci is always at least good, this got absolutely ruined though.

RZA production was pretty good but while I don't mind a Ugod verse here and there a whole album of Ugod is too much

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