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david bammer
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"an act changing their name to differentiate a new period in their oeuvre..."
Wed Feb-22-12 06:41 PM by david bammer

  

          

inspired by yasiin bey.
i really like this idea and more so the idea of artistic re-invention through the means of a new name and want to talk about it...

we all are accustomed to name changes like jay dee to j dilla or puff daddy to p diddy for frivolous or legal reasons...

but i want to talk about the concept of taking on a new moniker in music as to conclusively communicate to the audience that this is a new period and the re-invigorating effect it can have creatively and attention-wise.

they say that first impressions are very important because you only get to make them once.
and in music/movies or any facet of the entertainment industry that is definitely true for the act and the impression they make on their audience.
it's possible to alienate potential consumers with subtle sub-communications that make people not want to align with you and consume your art.
"okayplayery" as an adjective is one relevant example of this.

we all know about parliament/funkadelic being 2 seperate entities to allow different directions in their music or zev love x transformation into mf doom or acts like prince/madlib who released music under a pseudonym.
needless to say, a name "chnage" can be freeing creatively for an act with an already established reputation.
which leads me back to yasiin bey.

if "mos def" (an outdated reference to 90's nyc hiphop) was releasing an album tomorrow, i would likely not even download it.
yassin bey on the other hand?
well the court is still out on how DIFFERENT yassin bey is from "mos def", but i am definitely more interested in hearing what a yassin bey mp3 sounds like.
imo, it's an interesting evidencing of perception in a consumer.
but more so, i think it could be utilized fittingly by artists to differentiate "periods" in their music.
where as mos def (to go back tothe example utilized here) represented 90's nyc hiphop, yassin bey could represent an allegance and a direction that is entirely different.
i think this is interesting and intriguing and i would think it's especially relevant to the internet age of music.
i'd love to see this become more common place if utilized appropriately.

  

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related... the implications of doing this
Feb 22nd 2012
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RE: Feels pretty gimmicky to me.
Feb 22nd 2012
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that too...
Feb 22nd 2012
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      RE: that too...
Feb 22nd 2012
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           RE: But you used Mos Def as your example.
Feb 23rd 2012
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                i really disagree re: mos def...
Feb 23rd 2012
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                     RE: But he's still rapping over loops.
Sep 23rd 2012
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happens all the time in Dance Music...
Feb 22nd 2012
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Jefferson Airplane ---> Jefferson Starship
Feb 22nd 2012
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See....
Feb 23rd 2012
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      LMAO!
Feb 23rd 2012
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jay dee is considered a different sound/artist than jay dilla
Feb 22nd 2012
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meant to say j dilla NOT jay dilla...
Feb 23rd 2012
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yeah that definitely counts
Feb 23rd 2012
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Jay Dee was better
Sep 23rd 2012
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How long did Mike Bigga last for Killa Mike?
Feb 22nd 2012
8
maybe a month; Chip tha Ripper recently became King Chip for some reason
Sep 23rd 2012
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O(+>
Feb 23rd 2012
11
2 chainz, makaveli the don...
Sep 23rd 2012
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david bammer
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1. "related... the implications of doing this"
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Wed Feb-22-12 06:59 PM by david bammer

  

          

i don't think there is a bigger RISK for an artist than doing this.
potentially shedding your fanbase in favor of creative freedom in starting a new.
i'm sure for a lot of acts who monetarily depend on the same x amount of people attending their shows and buying their albums every year, this would be a terrifying option to consider due to the involved risk.

  

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2. "RE: Feels pretty gimmicky to me."
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Very melodramatic.

I don't really trust an artist who declares the reinvention before it actually happens.

Now, in the case of bands losing a member and/or changing their sound drastically, I think it's a good idea. I'm thinking mostly of Joy Division > New Order and Slowdive > Mojave 3.

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4. "that too..."
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>Very melodramatic.
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>I don't really trust an artist who declares the reinvention
>before it actually happens.


Exactly. If you're doing it just to stir up interst in your new shit, which happens to be the same as your OLD shit, then yeah... ( no Sasha Fierce-o)


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>Now, in the case of bands losing a member and/or changing
>their sound drastically, I think it's a good idea. I'm
>thinking mostly of Joy Division > New Order and Slowdive >
>Mojave 3.


yeah, that's almost mandatory. It helps shed some of the old demons, and if need be, give the remaining band members the change to try a new sound minus the guy that left...


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5. "RE: that too..."
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Wed Feb-22-12 10:48 PM by david bammer

  

          

yeah, i don't know if either of you read the thread but that's what i meant.

if you sound exactly the same and you're JUST doing it to drum up interest in a waning career - then yeah that i don't agree with.

but if it signifies a totally new direction in your image/sound?
then a new name is probably in order as well...

  

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12. "RE: But you used Mos Def as your example."
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Thu Feb-23-12 12:55 AM by Austin

  

          

Unless he suddenly goes bluegrass, he will always be Mos Def to me.

With Joy Division, it makes sense to change the name to New Order because the band was something so many people saw as "Ian Curtis and some other blokes." That their sound changed too was a natural progression (and, in fact, many fans of 'Bizarre Love Triangle' and 'True Faith' actually aren't really into Movement because it sounds like a Joy Division album).

With Slowdive, they fractured apart and then regrouped as 75% of who they were. The main songwriters and voices were still there, but they were trying to do something different anyway. The change of the band name didn't actually happen until they had recorded three-fourths of their first album (and I also suspect the band name change had to do with legal reasons, as well).

Mos Def will still be doing that mildly angsty rappity rap boho-hop no matter what name he's using. So it seems a little less genuine in his case.

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14. "i really disagree re: mos def... "
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i think if you look at his career from black star forward, it really has been a transformation w/ mos.. there have been experiments and missteps along the way.. but after listening to The Ecstatic, i got a feeling like that's what the experimentation blossomed into.. i def. saw a distinct change in the way he rhymed and the way he put songs together - his subject matter seems more "mystical" too.. even if his general crew and beats are similar to his older stuff, i really do believe there was a paradigm shift there.. he even said "yasiin" and "bey" all over the album, so if we use that album as a jumping off point for this "yasiin bey" moniker, i think it makes a lot of sense.. and it seems genuine too.. imo

  

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19. "RE: But he's still rapping over loops."
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Joy Division went from 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' to New Order doing 'Bizarre Love Triangle.'

Therein lies my point.

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3. "happens all the time in Dance Music..."
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are we talking about name changes, or aliases?


because if we're talking about using an alias to facilitate stylistic changes...ah fuck it.


of course, this whole circular argumentleads us back to:

"WHY do people refuse to listen to shit other than Hip-Hop and R&B?!?!!?"

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6. "Jefferson Airplane ---> Jefferson Starship"
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9. "See...."
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I couldn't even bring myself to download a jefferson airplane mp3.

But 'Jefferson Starship'? What twists and turns are they up to now?

  

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7. "jay dee is considered a different sound/artist than jay dilla"
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maybe not by all but i would say by most fans of his music.
jay dilla sought to step away from most of the neo-soul isms that made jay dee famous.
if that's not a re-invention, i don't know what it is.

just wanted to clarify that.
carry on.

  

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13. "meant to say j dilla NOT jay dilla..."
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>maybe not by all but i would say by most fans of his music.
>jay dilla sought to step away from most of the neo-soul isms
>that made jay dee famous.
>if that's not a re-invention, i don't know what it is.
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>just wanted to clarify that.
>carry on.
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15. "yeah that definitely counts"
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18. "Jay Dee was better"
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8. "How long did Mike Bigga last for Killa Mike? "
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I know Peedi Crack changed to Peedi Peedi; both artist changed for a less derogatory pseudonym but when that happens, is that name even taken seriously? I feel like if you don't correct the blogs, interviews or whoever when calling you your "former" moniker, it really has no impact & make no difference. I've seen Yasiin Bey correct folk when calling him "Mos Def" & folk respect it. No one, including me respects the P. Diddy change, that nigga is Puff. LOL!

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17. "maybe a month; Chip tha Ripper recently became King Chip for some reason"
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and King Louie seems like he's trying to convince people to call him King L now, which just don't make no sense at all.


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11. "O(+>"
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was it purely a legal maneuver?

fuck you.

  

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