do you have any immediate tweeks you would institute to improve the condition of the forum you'd like to submit for approval?

let's make this a feedback thread...

what would you like to see altered?

2 new topics a day, including aliases, no obvious and especially pointless spinoffs of active topics, and no spamming

>2 new topics a day, including aliases, no obvious and
>especially pointless spinoffs of active topics, and no
>spamming

so is this a pointless spin-off in your estimation considering how muddled that "other" topic is now?

but i was thinking generally

>but i was thinking generally

i disagree.
but i'll prove it to you single-handedly.

>2 new topics a day,

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>2 new topics a day, including aliases, no obvious and
>especially pointless spinoffs of active topics, and no
>spamming

*cough*

all you can do is attempt to improve the conditions of the forum itself...
that's what i'd like to see suggested here.

tweaks to the site that could through influence potentially improve the condition of the forum.

it's customary on a lot of other sites to have an introduce yourself forum.
i think that is a bad idea.

but WAYS to actually encourage readership/new sign-ups?

i would suggest linking to particular "buzzing" posts in the daily updates on the main page.
i don't know if they still do that since OKP attempted to compete with the NMC.
but what about if "hot" posts were used as content on the main website and posted in the form of a question....

"is earl still with OF?"
"what do you think? reply <url> here </url hyperlink>"

this would attempt to address the problem of not enough new faces/opinions in the lesson which is sorely needed imo.

LOL!!!

Seriously though. If I weren't already here I can't imagine there being any reason ever to sign up for OKP. There's no benefit in learning this culture as a noob at this point, so I question pretty much every new login and assume they are aliases from jump.

Of course that gives us a short shelf life, but should by example the tides turn and its still here perhaps in a few years there may be a reason someone new might want to join up.
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>LOL!!!
>
>Seriously though. If I weren't already here I can't imagine
>there being any reason ever to sign up for OKP. There's no
>benefit in learning this culture as a noob at this point, so I
>question pretty much every new login and assume they are
>aliases from jump.
>
>Of course that gives us a short shelf life, but should by
>example the tides turn and its still here perhaps in a few
>years there may be a reason someone new might want to join
>up.

if the site doesn't do things to encourage readership it will likely wither and die like all internet forums.

a HUGE driving force behind WHY people used to post here (rubbing elbows with celebrities) evaporated with the advent of twitter.

to make up for it, i think the level of complexity/sophistication of topic fodder has to be superior to SOHH, philaflava, etc. in order to drive new members.
there has to be a reason to participate, even ONE time.
and that imo is always going to be the level of discussion.

There's nothing at all attractive about this site. NOTHING!!!
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>There's nothing at all attractive about this site.
>NOTHING!!!

knowledge and content is really the only way.

philaflava is a perfect example and i prefer that site to here for actually procuring old rap songs i never heard before.

but as far as like voicing opinions, i come here...
so playing off of that...

no more artists post here
a year or two ago the boards themselves were no longer googleable
the front page has been updated to attract people that simply are not online discussion board people.
the critical mass has been reached for the moment.
we can and should enjoy ourselves but new blood won't be a comin' strong until something about *their* value base changes not us. which isn't to say we shouldn't make things better for ourselves, but i digress.
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>no more artists post here
>a year or two ago the boards themselves were no longer
>googleable
>the front page has been updated to attract people that simply
>are not online discussion board people.
>the critical mass has been reached for the moment.
>we can and should enjoy ourselves but new blood won't be a
>comin' strong until something about *their* value base changes
>not us. which isn't to say we shouldn't make things better
>for ourselves, but i digress.

maybe you're right.
but "new" is relative.
while i think young people might be a lost cause, there are still plenty of 30-40 black men and women out there on the internet that could be posting here but aren't.

This place is amazing for what it is. But it takes a deep investment, which the folk you see on here have already made, to appreciate that. Even just to lurk this place takes soooo much effort for there the payoff. Kids want to know what's hot and move on to what's hot, before moving on to what's hat. they don't really want to talk about it though. they just want to know it so they can have an opinion on it before letting you know what's hotter.

That's the culture which is being sold today. That's what these social networks help facilitate. Their gravitation towards places where the famous people are so they can measure themselves up to their levels of fame, in 140 characters or less. There lives compartmentalized into facebook groups and preferences determining which group can see which part of them so that they are seen in the best light.

That's what we're working with today. We are the last generation before that was so prevelantly indoctrinated basically from birth. We had TV which did it's own thing but if mindsets were biological sets we'd be of a different species. Or at lesast the developmental phase of a possible one. Just like with species, survival of the fittest.

There are some incredible things that come from this generation but one thing they haven't done is look back yet. They glance, appropriate and move on but they don't really look back. We do and we can look forward too. We can look forward. And if we are there when they look back perhaps some of us will continue with them.

It happens hear. It isn't like there aren't some new posters that will hopefully stick around. I'm sure there are plenty of lurkers as well. Despite the fact that it's fallen behind in its hotness, it still serves as an amazing living archive. I hope it continues to do so.
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who are just now getting into music in a serious way.

Everything has its time and season. When the Lesson is no longer of service to anybody*, it can go to bed and something else will take its place.

I love this board... but it ain't that deep, man.

>if the site doesn't do things to encourage readership it will
>likely wither and die like all internet forums.

There doesn't HAVE to be a Lesson. And this site as a whole is more of a loss leader for ?uest than anything. If he's really interested in keeping the lights on, I don't see GD, Sports and even PTP losing steam.

>a HUGE driving force behind WHY people used to post here
>(rubbing elbows with celebrities) evaporated with the advent
>of twitter.

Speak for yourself. I really don't think I have heard anybody express this with regard to the Lesson. OkayArtist? Yes... once upon a time. But not the Lesson. Short of the occasional bblock flame wars with the Beatdiggaz or SRCP, there's never been *that much* elbow-rubbing here to begin with.

(Believe me: not trying to make trouble here but this recalls for me your previous assertion that what drove MySpace and Twitter was the rubbing elbows with celebrities thing too... It leads me to believe that you're kind behind the curve on social media. And I am not saying that as a diss, so please don't take it as one. Just an observation.)




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>(Believe me: not trying to make trouble here but this recalls
>for me your previous assertion that what drove MySpace and
>Twitter was the rubbing elbows with celebrities thing too...
>It leads me to believe that you're kind behind the curve on
>social media. And I am not saying that as a diss, so please
>don't take it as one. Just an observation.)

the driving force behind social media is that it's the chic place to be.
there are literally dozens of social media websites, if not then hundreds and i'm sure new upstarts everyday.
what drives the masses?
athletics, actors, musicians, comedians are celebrities but on a more basic level they are the social elites of our society.
they are the top tier.
once their inclusion is on record, other follows, slowly going down the totem pole.
at the end of the day what drives people into social media online is somebody that THEY think is cool is doing it.
that could be all the way at the top like celebrities.
or just somebody in their high school who is good at basketball.
it's the same concept in action.
needless to say, this site has suffered immensely since erykah, lupe, questlove all realized they didn't need to be rubbing elbows with nobodies and could actually be rubbing elbows with other social elites via twitter.
which is fine.
the only way to respond is to increase the value of THIS outlet.
and that can only be done through it's posters and their content.
if the level of discussion is far beyond what you can get on any music blog, people will eventually realize.

which I think you still largely have got wrong, but whatever.

I think this is more pertinent.

>the only way to respond is to increase the value of THIS
>outlet.
>and that can only be done through it's posters and their
>content.
>if the level of discussion is far beyond what you can get on
>any music blog, people will eventually realize.

I think the important question is the degree of value that the majority of listeners place on music discussion IN GENERAL.

I'd wager it is very small. I mean, just in the past few weeks we've had a number of posts lamenting the death of quality music criticism, of writing about music as a whole.

We've had SPIN magazine (once a font for some pretty damn edgy music writing) decide that the format of the future is 140-character blurbs (or something like that).

In the age of downloading, when virtually any music in the world is a mouse-click away, most listeners do not have the patience to sit and read someone else's opinions about music when they can instantly access it and form their own opinons.

I think "deep" music discussion is largely dead. There IS still a market for it, make no mistake... but it's a niche, a cottage industry.

As much as I have always hated lists, they represent a format that works for the modern attention span. (see: Complex's success since devoting itself to that format)

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>to make up for it, i think the level of
>complexity/sophistication of topic fodder has to be superior
>to SOHH, philaflava, etc. in order to drive new members.
>there has to be a reason to participate, even ONE time.
>and that imo is always going to be the level of discussion.

does this entail checking the idiots or just ignoring them in hopes others will see the same idiocy?

and no 'member since' ID.

There wasn't as much of an automatic reflex to write off someone with only a few posts. It still took a while to break in, but that's natural to a degree.

>it's customary on a lot of other sites to have an introduce
>yourself forum.
>i think that is a bad idea.
>
>but WAYS to actually encourage readership/new sign-ups?

As AF mentions, not being dicks to people is a good way to encourage them to post. Plus, if you're a dick, I'm more likely to ignore your post.

I happen to think it's also a good life rule, but whatever.

>i would suggest linking to particular "buzzing" posts in the
>daily updates on the main page.

THIS WAS WHAT GOT ME TO THE FORUMS ORIGINALLY and I still think it's a great idea. They used to have box on the front page that had the top topic in each forum at the time you visited the home page. I used to check to read the Boondocks and get show news, but then I'd see a post about some shit that sounded cool and click through. And eventually I logged in to contribute.

Seems to me the forums ARE harder to find these days, but I don't know about how anyone wound up here after that feature got taken away... I certainly wouldn't find it today.

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Then deleting your account would be an end.

>Then deleting your account would be an end.

why don't i PM you my password and just let you be me and then see how you do...

I was actually just joking.

I do believe deleting a few people account would help though lol

It really should not be any more complex than that.

This post is redundant of k_orr's.

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>It really should not be any more complex than that.

again, you cannot control people to that level.
this is suggestions to improve the site.
what improvements could be made to ALTER the conditions that lead to people making or participating in posts.

I mean, we don't even know people's real names here. We don't know their faces or races or true genders.

Unless you're talking about building a moat around the Lesson and setting up some sort of draconian Ministry of Extermination to ideologically cleanse the board, I don't see what can be done.

This is an open group. We don't have a stringent membership review process. Once someone signs up, they can post what they want as long as they don't link make posts about other posters or link to pr0n or copyrighted content.

Trying to clean up the Lesson from the top down is futile. I think the solution comes from the ground level, which is just people making good posts. Yes, I know that concept of "good posts" is of itself somewhat ambiguous... but it's really all we got.

That, and not being a dickhead.

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that would solve everything.
you wouldn't even have to SEE trolls anymore.


i mean, it's easy enough to not respond to them...
but if you didn't even have to see their screenname,
it's like they wouldn't even exist.


it would be a virtual paradise!

>That, and not being a dickhead.

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to others

furthurmore even if people find a topic interesting that may not be interested enough to reply

I find that the majority of musical topics/artists are recycled with diffrent variations of the same theme continualy

when a new "thought"/angle or artist is presented there usually isnt much discusion UNLESS someone states a strong opnion that goes against the norm

this results in what people see is shock posts

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if there is something that you want to see discussed,
make a post about it.


if you don't like what is currently being discussed in a post,
don't click those posts.


if you find yourself irritated with all of the posts,
log off and go to another website. or just turn off the
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although it would be cool if we could have an ignore feature
for certain posters.

>although it would be cool if we could have an ignore feature
>for certain posters.

great thanks for suggesting something plausible.

i thought the layout of the website was
pretty much set in stone...

but an IGNORE button would make this place perfect.

>i thought the layout of the website was
>pretty much set in stone...
>
>but an IGNORE button would make this place perfect.

anything is possible with coding if enough time/work is willing to be invested.

sick of seeing a post on the front page?
ignore it. it's gone.



sick of seing everything another person writes?
ignore it. they're gone.


out of sight, out of mind.
problem solved.


>>i thought the layout of the website was
>>pretty much set in stone...
>>
>>but an IGNORE button would make this place perfect.
>
>anything is possible with coding if enough time/work is
>willing to be invested.

the other half is there being something of value in the place of the ignored post.

and that solves the other half of the problem.



>the other half is there being something of value in the place
>of the ignored post.

I don't mean "what do you think of it" but what format do you choose for viewing it?

Because, in the "ubb" mode, an ignore feature would be a pretty useful tool.

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>Because, in the "ubb" mode, an ignore feature would be a
>pretty useful tool.
>

Message layout style

Try it.

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Honest question.

i go to his profile,
click a button,

and none of his posts would show up anymore.




say i'm sick of a thread that has been
on the front page for 12 days.

i click a button, and i can hide it...
just like i can hide stuff on my facebook feed.





everybody that hated mistermaxxxx could just
hit ignore and none of his threads would even show up.

activist gets traffic

the front page of the lesson doesnt have 4 R Kelly threads



just playin, dude likes what he likes

http://fffff.at/shaved-bieber/

do the same thing where you could plug-in the names of whomever you'd like to ignore

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how would you feasibly accomplish this?

one way would be perhaps a list of types of topics that need to be permanently kibosh-ed from this point on...

-things like never-ending lists...

-sophomoric and basic ideas for threads that recall discussions relevant to 10-12 years ago.
etc.

or perhaps mods just locking and with a reply of "this thread is being locked because xyz" would work if it was not abused or done personally.

i don't know what do you think?

But it would be too difficult to enforce in a fair and even manner.

Plus, it ignores the reality of message board turnover. You can't say "You are not allowed to discuss xyz anymore as we discussed it to death 2 years ago" because, frankly, every day is someone's first day on here.

Yes, new members are already encouraged to lurk for a while before posting in order to cut down on redundant posts, but if someone truly believes--rightly or wrongly--that they have a fresh perspective to offer on a particular subject, you really can't tell them they're prohibited from discussing it because some oldheads (who might not even still be active posters) already talked about it.

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>But it would be too difficult to enforce in a fair and even
>manner.
>
>Plus, it ignores the reality of message board turnover. You
>can't say "You are not allowed to discuss xyz anymore as we
>discussed it to death 2 years ago" because, frankly, every day
>is someone's first day on here.

i don't know how true that is.

>Yes, new members are already encouraged to lurk for a while
>before posting in order to cut down on redundant posts, but if
>someone truly believes--rightly or wrongly--that they have a
>fresh perspective to offer on a particular subject, you really
>can't tell them they're prohibited from discussing it because
>some oldheads (who might not even still be active posters)
>already talked about it.

listen, i think not underestimating peoples intelligence is an underrated sales tactic.
would some people be rubbed the wrong way if their thread got locked?
sure.
but would the ultimate realization of what type of level of conversation we are trying to achieve outweigh that?
absolutely.
i say lock a few threads, just give em the reason.
posting on a new forum you always have to learn the dimentions.
i'm saying let's consciously expand the dimentions here rather than passively letting anything fly.
let's move in a progressive direction where detailed and intricate conversations are the norm - not "list your fav. songs" or similar bullshit from the internet's infancy.

I'm generally pretty happy to talk about old topics. A lot of times, my own opinion, or key ways of explaining/defending that position, has changed.

Hell, it might even almost be time for another Great Moustaches of Music post.

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>I'm generally pretty happy to talk about old topics. A lot of
>times, my own opinion, or key ways of explaining/defending
>that position, has changed.

as repetitive as it may be, I enjoy revisiting topics periodically and charting how my feelings about them have changed since last time.

>Hell, it might even almost be time for another Great
>Moustaches of Music post.

do it next week.

EDIT: what am I saying? we're only halfway through *this* week... felt like a Friday...

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often we have 2-4 mediocre threads going on one topic, when we could have had one great one.

We have all probably been guilty of it at some point...but some (especially newer posters) NEVER search.

I'm sure they aren't going to invest anything in reprogramming, but it would be cool if it automatically searched for you...

like something would pop up " (instert topic/link) seems to be similar to your thread, you sure you want to post?" or something

Not too annoying or strict...but maybe when its obvious.


Or, now that I think about it, mods should actually merge threads sometimes...if that's possible.

What brought me here years back (I lurked a long time before posting) was The Roots, Mos, etc...

I had no idea ?uestlove posted here at first, or Lupe, etc.

It was the artists- this was their site in my mind so I checked it out.

But as much as it pains me to say it, I doubt those artists are gaining new fans.

But why aren't there ever new OkArtists? Hell is that even a term anymore?

Did rap blogs kill the need?

Label politics?

If this website were more ahead of the curve introducing new artists there would be more traffic and maybe more reason for old heads to visit more often.

but i digress...
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Your reply went over my head- maybe its been a long day.

I'm not saying they should post here (see Lupe and Kweli)

I'm saying more Okay affiliated artists.

If they post here too, even better but honestly I would rarely do that if I were them.


I just mean if every year there was like 1-3 new artists added, and you could come here to get all of their info/news, exlcusive tracks, links to their free stuff.

It could help them early in their career (more exposure, stable website), and help okayplayer along the way (more traffic, more stuff to talk about, etc).

But as I said maybe the blogs killed that need.

for example, i pitched a new music thread where people do their own digging and suggest a new act for others to check out...

it obviously failed because there was no authority behind ME making the thread.
but if questlove or reg had made it - i'm not so sure it would have floundered...

i think ideas like this are a good way to spur both interaction in a postive, prouductive manner but also to create things that are unique to this site.

the troy blog has compilations of rare songs collected from posters contributing on philaflava.

there is a value in creating something unique like that.

not to dwell on myself...
but i think the beat-off was a good idea too, regardless of my feelings on the output it got.

just simple interactive things that are unique to this website would be a good way to improve the conditions here.

Anchor some monthly 'suggest music' / monthly overlooked releases/music / 'post your music' list posts that fall off or get lost in the mix. Maybe for example starting March there could be 3 anchors for the month:

March 2012 Overlooked Releases
March 2012 Shameless Promo Thread (One Post Per Poster)
March 2012 Post Your Personal Artist Of The Month

Could be a resource to put each other on to music and not miss threads that drop off quickly and get overlooked if you don't check the front page for a day.

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>Anchor some monthly 'suggest music' / monthly overlooked
>releases/music / 'post your music' list posts that fall off
>or get lost in the mix. Maybe for example starting March
>there could be 3 anchors for the month:
>
>March 2012 Overlooked Releases
>March 2012 Shameless Promo Thread (One Post Per Poster)
>March 2012 Post Your Personal Artist Of The Month

right just something interactive following a format of confession wednesdays.
i totally agree with you, we'd have to decide on what the fodder would be...

for a full week, and be just a single thread for off-topic posts music-related or not music-related that aren't important enough for their own thread

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post every year. And every year it's still pushes on and people still come.

I don't think it's the best it's ever been, but I seen it alot worse than it is now also..

I mean, I guess the 'golden years' of The Lesson, and this site in general, was when the style of music that this site was built on (i.e. Neo-Soul/Conscious Rap/Backback Rap/D'Angelo..yep dude is his own genre here..) was at it's height.

You had the people championing for that foundation, or the people rebelling against it that made for engaging, sometimes crazy, most times entertaining discussion on here.

So since music had changed ALOT in those 9 years..so has the tide in the thoughts, styles and personalities of the posters.

I used to think of The Lesson as the place for album credit readers, but in this digital world there is no such thing as album credits anymore. The Lesson is great, but it's not bigger than the music. The music changes so does The Lesson.

Saying that though, I think The Lesson is still a viable place to come and discuss music in a in depth matter

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Garhart Ivanhoe Poppwell
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Perhaps there should be a 'declaration' of sorts that the lesson is not characterized by an exclusive focus on current and ever-changing trends in hip hop. I'm sure there are website chatboards that are geared for that type of thing in an exclusive way.

Alot of posters butt heads becuase there is a fundamental difference between a pure music lover and a hip hop scenester....who is trying to keep his ear to the ground on what's hip at any given time.

Of course....there's always gonna be discussion in the lesson about what's happening in hip hop. But I've been reading here for many years now and started posting partly because of the wide spectrum of appreciation for all music.

And here....we like to articulate why we like what we like. And analyze our appreciations. Pretentious or disingenous posters get called out too...but still....if you're not a music geek than you should probably look elsewhere. Cause you're only get disappointed when people here make posts about obscure genres from the past and artists you don't care about.

because the forum is driven by people

I like to discuss things that interest me. Because Im older the things that interest me may not resonate with the current trends. the artists may tend to be more obscure.

I come here hopeing that someone will engage the subject but more often than not thats not the case

I keep comeing back despite the negativity because in the back of my head I know that at one time a long time ago I could find people to engage in a discusion with

what im finding tho now is that peoplw love to listen to music and have stong opnions but they dont like to discuss music

the only way to change that is to try to attract a diffrent audience

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thus begins the phrase �mine is better than yours?� (huh?)
forced to serve-too broke to by freedom
the systematic rape of African culture has begun
little time

too many mods that don't do shit but have an OK beside their name
everybody can't be on the shit all the time, but as we see with the Dezo shit somebody needs to be on the shit

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Jordan!

who you callin' a...
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"I ain't no entertainer, and ain't trying to be one. I am 1 thing, a musician." � Miles

"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

but do you genuinely have anything to add as far as someway to improve or sophisticate the level of discourse on this forum?

1 years later after writing this, i think the most important thing is likeminded-ness.
which is the reason there is no direction in narrative or topics or participation or anything else.
everybody is going in a different direction.
and that direction is generally not original, ambitious or progressive in any way...

anyway, i digress.
but do you have any sort of improvement you'd like to suggest?
otherwise, i don't see the point of your reply.
but i thank you for spending time out of your life making it regardless.

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Garhart Ivanhoe Poppwell
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Some folks that post in the lesson really offer nothing but negativity. There's nothing that kills a constructive conversation any faster than negative assholes. No moderation in sight, however.

I'm too old to participate in dialog at a high school level.

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i think anyone who has done even a little searching on the net can testify to how unique and intelligent the conversation on here is, even on mundane and banal topics. (if you disagree, go on youtube.com and view the comments and get back to this post.)

the thing i like most are the in-depth posts about historically noteworthy artists (like the James Brown / Fela post by AFKAP that Old Pro and Warren Coolidge and others participated in). i don't think we ought to get paid for posting. (like i need another reason to be on the computer) but it would be nice if the powers that be incentivised in-depth posts like that by giving the prominent posters music tickets or even an advance copy of an album (i'm posting like it's 1999 now) or something.

i know i tried to get an album of the week post where people listen to an album and then comment on it. i might go back to that, but it was alot of work for me to find an album and make time to really listen to it so i dropped it after a week. (yes, consistency is my weakness. HA) but i like the confession wednesday posts and the friday fun posts and i really enjoy the people that post here mostly. the eclecticism in people's tastes are intimidating to me, but i'm slowly learning to open up my tastes.

here's an idea: maybe someone could write up a 'guideline' for what a good post is (posts that allow for more than a one line response or cosigning, youtube linkage, things like that) and anchor it so that we can have some kind of structure to the place.

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People who don't take risks generally make about two big mistakes a year. People who do take risks generally make about two big mistakes a year.

Peter Drucker

the good posters already do all the right stuff.

The posters I don't find as good (I won't say they're bad, because it IS all subjective, after all) are probably not interested in making 'better' posts by my standards; they're interested in high view and response counts. And that's perfectly legit, after all; who am I to impose my views on what constitutes a 'good' post on the other denizens of a forum?

The best answer remains: make better posts ourselves, and participate in the ones that we view as good, and maybe we can inspire more of the same.

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Soundcloud ---> http://soundcloud.com/greenwood-burns

my own stuff -->http://soundcloud.com/lonesomedstringband

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>i like the
>confession wednesday posts

i did, too, and even though i held off on posting in them, i enjoyed reading them and replying to people. i miss having random/misc. posts, which is why i post new shit in dead topics sometimes.


>i'm slowly
>learning to open up my tastes.

i know i say this every year or so, but this site has vastly opened my mind with regard to and taught me a lot about music.

>here's an idea: maybe someone could write up a 'guideline' for
>what a good post is (posts that allow for more than a one line
>response or cosigning, youtube linkage, things like that) and
>anchor it so that we can have some kind of structure to the
>place.

i liked that idea 6 months ago...

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2626650&mesg_id=2626650

Take an album, maybe start off with the classics, and once a week at a set time we listen to the album and discuss it then and there, track by track, etc. I think I've brought this up in a thread years ago but got clowned for it but figured I'd try throwing it out again.

Not sure this will better or worse the Lesson but it could at least gives us an interesting topic and some coming-together-ness once a week. Plus for people listening to the album for the first time it would be cool to get some live perspective from folks who grew up with the album and know some interesting facts and background on it.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”