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revolution75
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"Whitney and the fear of the gay black singer "


  

          

While I was doing my daily entertainment news reading, I ran across a touching statement from Whitney's longtime friend and ex assistant, Robyn Crawford

http://www.esquire.com/the-side/music/whitney-houston-6654718

Yes THAT Robyn!!

Old school folk know who I'm talking about.
Her statement was said a lot without saying a lot of you know what I mean.
Thinking about her took me back to when rumors were swirling around about her relationship with Whitney
So I started to look around and see what info I could find
Sure I found speculations like how Robyn was x'd out of her life
Due to fam and label pressure they got rid of her
Her consolation prize was a Benz, jewelry, salary and a phone card(???)
Found speculation that there was a hit on Robyn's life.
After Robyn slapped Whit at the Super Bowl, Cissy slapped Robyn and it was a wrap after that it was a wrap
But this got me to thinking
Could that be a major part of what happened to her?
Was she having a struggle maintaining her image and denying who she really was?
What major black singer (or actor) is openly gay?
Key words....major
And why is there a fear of that within the black community?

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This right here said a whole lot:
Feb 14th 2012
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yeah, that line stuck with me too.
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We all know Whitney the person & Whitney the artist are two different
Feb 14th 2012
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You sell to your market, regardless
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You are right but...
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I think the time could be right
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RE: You sell to your market, regardless
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RE: Whitney and the fear of the gay black singer
Feb 14th 2012
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Me too. And i had totally put Robin out of my mind, but now.........
Feb 14th 2012
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Me too
Feb 14th 2012
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naw. i totally disagree.
Feb 14th 2012
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it's impossible to know what was really going on w/ whitney...
Feb 14th 2012
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Latifah??! Sheeeit Little Richard still dodges the question
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Many have suggested the Bodyguard story line was about her
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It was written in the 70s though...
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      oh I know - and they getting ready to remake it again but
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1) How many 'major' gay white acts are there?
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RE: 1) How many 'major' gay white acts are there?
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Not for nothing that list is not that long
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      Like I said
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           ugh. stop.
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           It appears to be...at least in my eyes
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           #2 in my response
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           RE: #2 in my response
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           naw.
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           it's really not that special, among the black community..............
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           Really?
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                i'm not even willing to entertain the discussion w/you.
Feb 16th 2012
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           Jermaine Stewart/Sylvester/Little Richard
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                Meshell Ndegeocello?
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In response to 1)
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1 - Eminem
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I had forgotten about Robyn, BTW...
Feb 14th 2012
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Google their names Doc
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      yeah, I had to look up that 'slapping' story
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           "whether it was true or not"
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Whitney was not gay. Robyn was not her lover.
Feb 14th 2012
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^^^^^^^^
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after having seen Being Bobby Brown
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      Seriously you can admit to smoking crack but not that you're a lesbian
Feb 14th 2012
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      right? LOL
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           For the sake of argument...
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                nope.
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      lol, after that, I had the same feeling.
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           the show made me a bigger Whitney fan.
Feb 14th 2012
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           i felt bad for laughing at that line.
Feb 14th 2012
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                yeah, The Soup was good for that
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                     RE: chaka khan on piers morgan last night...
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                     RE: chaka khan on piers morgan last night...
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                     oh, I saw it... and talked about it
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                     The Soup was reckless with it lol !!!!!
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You make a very good point, BUT
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Queen Latifah? yeah.
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      Jerry Seinfeld had one of those rumors dogging him a long time ago
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           i don't like speculating about who is and isn't gay in Hollywood.
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                i'm never quite sure what people get out of it.
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                     I agree with both of you guys
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                          right.
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                          nothing wrong with a little speculation, for giggles. we all like to lau...
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                          A slight correction...
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                               Oh, i agree Treb. By the way, "A little speculation for giggles"....
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                               RE: A slight correction...
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                               Personally, I could give a fuck less
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                               Cosign on point C
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i am starting to realize most people don't really have close friends.
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      I wonder why this is
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           i know this much.
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                man, yeah.
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this is garbage and a tacky bad timing to be putting this up
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RE: this is garbage and a tacky bad timing to be putting this up
Feb 15th 2012
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.................
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nah, I think it worked out OK
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      How could you resist not doing ? lol !!! that shit was funny as hell.
Feb 14th 2012
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      True dat doc
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clive davis likes gay rumours for his proteges
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lol !!! what ? your making this up, right ?
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      im speculating
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           ah lol !!!!
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           ****tapes mouth shut******
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                lol !!! Naw, bruh. Express yourself, you have a right too.
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                     Owwwwwwwwwwwww
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                          hmmmmmmmmmm...............
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                          They died down before that.
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A friend told me she hit on Eddie Johnson's wife
Feb 14th 2012
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Oh ?
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I'm sure I told you this story before man
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Thanks for sharing OP
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      yes. i deny the Whitney gay rumors b/c i'm so homophobic.
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           Not going THERE
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                naw, i want to dead this one.
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                     Dude me too...lol
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                          i agree. lol
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Tracy Chapman
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Different culture for Tracy
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RE: Whitney and the fear of the gay black singer
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The gay rumor chased her when she dated Randall Cunningham...
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I must say given the title and the timing I thought
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if u cant be real about Lyte/Luther how can u about Whitney?
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Rupaul
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Meshell Ndegeocello is openly gay and she still has a career.
Feb 16th 2012
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donnie too.
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Yep - which leads me to believe that most of the people they
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      Jermaine was dope. One of my first CDs
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Neither are major celebs
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Dr Claw
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1. "This right here said a whole lot:"
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"She looked like an angel. When my mother first met her, she laughed and said, 'You look like an angel, but I know you're not.' And she wasn't. But she looked like one."

kind of off topic, but when everyone brings up Bobby in her downfall, this is really what fuels it

  

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58. "yeah, that line stuck with me too."
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>"She looked like an angel. When my mother first met her, she
>laughed and said, 'You look like an angel, but I know you're
>not.' And she wasn't. But she looked like one."
>
>kind of off topic, but when everyone brings up Bobby in her
>downfall, this is really what fuels it

  

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2. "We all know Whitney the person & Whitney the artist are two different "
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Tue Feb-14-12 10:39 AM by micMajestic

          

people. Unless you knew her personally, I don't think you can pinpoint any singular aspect of the difference and say that's the core issue.
Was she spiraling downward? Was the life that she had been living all that time catching up to her? Or was it just a bad roll of the die?

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3. "You sell to your market, regardless"
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I was having a conversation recently about how even if I was Tyler Perry's advisor I'd never tell him to come out the closet (we all think he's gay right? Am I being a lout right now?) because his fanbase of Christian black women would abandon him. But I felt that was cynical and only perpetuated the mindset, and besides, how can we be sure they'd abandon him?

But, assuming this Whitney rumour you bandy about is true, I think there is a perceived economic disincentive to encourage Luther, or Whitney, or whoever to come out. I believe there had to have been reams of data and research printed up before that infamous LA Law lesbian kiss, or Ellen came out on her show. There has to have been trending that indicated that a strong enough number of white women were okay with that before the heads pulled the trigger.

I think until black women vocalise their acceptance of gay black men and women and financially support one, no one is coming out. They'd have to be a popular figure to breach that topic, that could financially afford to. I think the only one who can reasonably do that is Queen Latifah, I think Whitney would have been derided and mocked is she came out, assuming she was gay.

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15. "You are right but..."
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Isn't it time to get over that fear?
Its like sacrifice who you are for fame an fear of losing an audience.

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32. "I think the time could be right"
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it will just take someone to come out, sell records afterwards, before people realise it's not that bad after all. I could only imagine the lifelong torment not coming out engenders.

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74. "RE: You sell to your market, regardless"
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>I was having a conversation recently about how even if I was
>Tyler Perry's advisor I'd never tell him to come out the
>closet (we all think he's gay right? Am I being a lout right
>now?) because his fanbase of Christian black women would
>abandon him.

Everyone knows Tyler Perry is gay... I don't care if he gets married, has 50 kids... dude is gay.

Black women are funny though.. they will lie to themselves in a heartbeat when it comes to TP.

  

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4. "RE: Whitney and the fear of the gay black singer "
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Man, this post is so real..Even on pure speculation, I could definitely see how Whitney's spiral could have been fueled by the fact that she wasn't allowed to be who she really was...

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5. "Me too. And i had totally put Robin out of my mind, but now........."
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>
>
>Man, this post is so real..Even on pure speculation, I could
>definitely see how Whitney's spiral could have been fueled by
>the fact that she wasn't allowed to be who she really was...

............my eyebrow has risen,because this something to consider,even if it's speculation.

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14. "Me too"
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Yes it's pure speculation
And I don't know what went down
But it makes more sense to me than Bobby being the Ike to get Tina
Which is a story I never brought and never will



>
>Man, this post is so real..Even on pure speculation, I could
>definitely see how Whitney's spiral could have been fueled by
>the fact that she wasn't allowed to be who she really was...

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20. "naw. i totally disagree."
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i don't see Whitney as that type at all. not after having seen Being Bobby Brown. LOL

she was herself and she lived w/the consequences.

fuck you.

  

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6. "it's impossible to know what was really going on w/ whitney..."
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but as for these questions...



>What major black singer (or actor) is openly gay?
>Key words....major


none. nobody. not a single one.
not even queen latifah.




>And why is there a fear of that within the black community?



homophobia perpetuated by the black church.
hompophobia perpetuated by hip-hop.
the fact that gender roles in the black community tend to be the least flexible.
all kinds of reasons, really...

so many (stupid) reasons.

  

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10. "Latifah??! Sheeeit Little Richard still dodges the question"
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You are spot on with your answers
And I agree, they're all stupid reasons
Especially in 2012

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7. "Many have suggested the Bodyguard story line was about her"
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minus the sexual relationship.

Shrugs.

  

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83. "It was written in the 70s though..."
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Lawrence Kasdan (of later Raiders of the Lost Ark and Empire Strikes Back fame) wrote it for Steve McQueen and Diana Ross.

  

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87. "oh I know - and they getting ready to remake it again but"
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what Im saying is when Robyn went her seperate way from Whitney it was widely suggested that the film was very similar. Almost life imitating art minus the whole conspiracy to murder Whitney. That she was extremely close to her - so much she adored her, loved her to the point of crazy - much like the character in the film.

  

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8. "1) How many 'major' gay white acts are there?"
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2) In the piece Robyn clearly says the family didn't do anything to her and couldn't control Whitney.
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11. "RE: 1) How many 'major' gay white acts are there?"
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The list is longer than the black list
(from the done)
Ellen
Rosie
Melissa Etheridge
KD
George M
Elton
And many who claim to be bi


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16. "Not for nothing that list is not that long"
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Sure they are examples but, if you can only name ten then it's no surprising there isn't a black one.
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21. "Like I said"
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Thats off the dome
I'm sure if I did a thorough search there would be more
But I'm at work and no time to do that
And even if that's it...the list is longer than the black folks
The length of the list isn't the point of this post bro
There's no Elton John type that's openly gay
Nor is there a George Michael
No one!!!
It's a no brainer that homophobia is a major issue in the black community that no one seems to want to address.
You won't see Queen Latifah hosting a gay cruise and televising it on HBO anytime soon like Rosie did a few years ago

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23. "ugh. stop."
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homophobia isn't any bigger an issue w/blacks than it is among any other population. there's nothing really special about black homophobia.

sheesh.

and it's gross to even talk about this in the Whitney context b/c she wasn't gay.

fuck you.

  

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34. "It appears to be...at least in my eyes"
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Bigger in the black community than others
Not like it isn't in any other community because it is a problem everywhere
And it is an issue that's seldom talked about in the black community
Which is my point
I could care less if she was gay or not
I didn't know her
Her sexuality doesnt take away from her talent and accomplishments
But you cant front on the speculation and stories like it wasn't there.
And there's plenty of them out there.





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35. "#2 in my response"
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C'mon man!!!
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39. "RE: #2 in my response"
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K that's still saying a lot without saying it
As in let me say that because I don't want anyone after my ass like they were back in the day.

At the end of the day, yes she did whatever she wanted
just speculating I'm sure Arista and Fam were in her ear constantly about it
With shit like it don't look right...what would the lord think..u can't sell records with this image....blah blah blah
And (again a speculation) she chose her career.

Gotta put the disclaimer out there
Cuz I don't know any facts
The point is to discuss the homophobia within the black entertainment world

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40. "naw. "
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fuck you.

  

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54. "it's really not that special, among the black community.............."
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> Bigger in the black community than others
>Not like it isn't in any other community because it is a
>problem everywhere
>And it is an issue that's seldom talked about in the black
>community
>Which is my point
>I could care less if she was gay or not
>I didn't know her
>Her sexuality doesnt take away from her talent and
>accomplishments
>But you cant front on the speculation and stories like it
>wasn't there.
>And there's plenty of them out there.
>

.....I feel it just gets more press than other communities ?


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92. "Really?"
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Thu Feb-16-12 03:55 AM by denny

          

I think this question may be somewhat regional...depending on where you grew up.

I'm in Toronto.....beyond any sort of explanation and of course I'm speaking generally.....but point blank.....black people are more homophobic than white people here. And black gays, on average, have a much tuffer time with their families and communities than whites. In my perception, it's not even close and is clear to see.

Was kinda surprised to see you say that. Again, maybe it's regional? Alot of blacks in Toronto are west indian so there are cultural factors at work there that don't necessarily apply to race.

I think it's an interesting point....that gay black entertainers are more closeted than their white counterparts in pop art. And....have to say....the 'wiggle room' a gay black entertainer might have seems to be in correlation to how 'white' their audience is. A black artist that depends primarily on a black audience will face more difficult hurdles in being openly gay.

Can't say I care about the timeline of a specific celebrity's orgasm history though. People live their lives. We should live ours.

  

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96. "i'm not even willing to entertain the discussion w/you."
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LOL

i stand by the comment.

good luck.

fuck you.

  

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72. "Jermaine Stewart/Sylvester/Little Richard "
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although I do see your point.

Luther and Freddy anyone?

Will Smith anyone?

haha.

  

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85. "Meshell Ndegeocello?"
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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17. "In response to 1)"
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Tue Feb-14-12 11:41 AM by dalecooper

  

          

Quite a lot. Actors: Neil Patrick Harris, Ian McKellan, Chris Colfer (the Glee kid), Ellen DeGeneres, Jodie Foster, Jane Lynch. Musicians: Elton John, Freddy Mercury, Michael Stipe, Boy George, George Michael, David Bowie (actually bi, not gay), Melissa Etheridge, Rob Halford (of Judas Priest), Adam Lambert, Joe Jackson. TV writers: Ryan Murphy (Glee), Alan Ball (True Blood).

(Started Googling this and realized the list is actually way longer than indicated here - there seem to be more out celebs every day lately.)

No idea if Whitney had anything going on (I actually forgot about the Robin thing until this thread), but if she did that's pretty sad.

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51. "1 - Eminem"
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9. "I had forgotten about Robyn, BTW..."
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I remember reading a bizarre story about the both of them going to see Michael Jackson @ Neverland Ranch sometime ago

the two of them were on that Gayle/Oprah IMO... always speculated, never corroborated

  

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12. "Google their names Doc"
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And you get a lot more than the Gayle and O
A WHOLE lot more!!

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13. "yeah, I had to look up that 'slapping' story"
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that was in a book? that's a crazy story (if true)

edit: even Bobby leaned toward something like that.

"In Bobby Brown: The Truth, The Whole Truth, and Nothing But..., an authorized biography, Brown said that the marriage was 'doomed from the very beginning. I think we got married for all the wrong reasons. Now, I realize Whitney had a different agenda than I did when we got married ... I believe her agenda was to clean up her image, while mine was to be loved and have children. The media was accusing her of having a bisexual relationship with her assistant, Robin Crawford. Since she was the American Sweetheart and all, that didn’t go too well with her image ... In Whitney’s situation, the only solution was to get married and have kids. That would kill all speculation, whether it was true or not.'"

from: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/12/whitney-houston-anatomy-of-a-lesbian-rumor.html

  

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41. ""whether it was true or not""
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18. "Whitney was not gay. Robyn was not her lover."
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i'm sorry for ppl who've never had a friend or close confidant. i've had a string of them in my life, post-puberty, and ppl have _always_ accused us of being lovers. _al_ _ways_. i've been tight w/my 1 homie since jr high school. we ended up in different high schools b/c i moved. but sr yr of high school i went to his homecoming dance b/c i'd gone to elementary school and jr high school w/that senior class and i wanted to hang w/them. my parents asked me point blank if me and the homie were 'lovers' b/c we went to that dance. i LOL'd in their faces. there was nothing like that between us and there never, ever has been. i won't even bring up our discordant sexual orientations here.

then in college i met another BFF. we were close from the 1st day of orientation all the way through graduation. we're still close now. apparently there were rumors among ppl on campus that we were fucking. that was never, ever the case. at. all. but still, ppl talked. b/c we were so close. b/c we were often spotted in public. it's silly.

post-college i met my current BFF. we've been tight for 15 yrs or so. (damn). we used to be seen on the scene around Chicago's gay hood. rumors swirled about us dating. ppl see us together now and still assume we're fucking. even though he's been w/his current boyfriend for 5 yrs. it doesn't matter. ppl's tongues keep wagging.

all i can figure is what i said initially in this reply. that ppl haven't had a close friend like the ones i have or like Whitney and Robyn had or like Oprah and Gayle have. i feel sad for them.

fuck you.

  

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19. "^^^^^^^^"
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22. "after having seen Being Bobby Brown"
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i am 100% sure Whitney was not a lesbian.

LOL

fuck you.

  

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24. "Seriously you can admit to smoking crack but not that you're a lesbian"
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28. "right? LOL"
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fuck you.

  

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94. "For the sake of argument..."
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Let's remember what era Cissy comes from.

You can explain/treat drugs, but gay can't be fixed.

I mean, what you said is REAL true...I have close male friends now who I have ZERO desire to be with sexually, and they are some of the best friends of my life, but still, there's something about this connection with Robyn Crawford that rings a little weird.



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97. "nope."
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fuck you.

  

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26. "lol, after that, I had the same feeling."
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watching that show, I had a tiny fear that her legacy might end up being "KISS MY ASS!!!!" (my favorite clip from that show, when she and Bobby were having an argument over then-President Bush)

  

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29. "the show made me a bigger Whitney fan."
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LOL

fuck you.

  

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33. "i felt bad for laughing at that line. "
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but it was funny...
the way they kept playing it over and over again.



btw, i think that of of that yelling is really what
ruined whitney's voice... not the crack.

which is not to say that the crack helped,
but el debarge's voice was album perfect at the BET awards...
and i think it's so b/c he's so soft spoken.


eh. but how do i know.

it's just sad either way.

  

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37. "yeah, The Soup was good for that"
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>but it was funny...
>the way they kept playing it over and over again.

something totally unrelated.

Then Whitney.

"KISSMYASS!!!"

I wouldn't have imagined it in a million years.

>btw, i think that of of that yelling is really what
>ruined whitney's voice... not the crack.
>
>which is not to say that the crack helped,
>but el debarge's voice was album perfect at the BET awards...
>and i think it's so b/c he's so soft spoken.
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>eh. but how do i know.
>
>it's just sad either way.


There might be some truth to this...

Chaka Khan (on Piers Morgan's CNN show, last night) also mentioned how she had polyps that nearly decimated her vocal cords... and wondered if Whitney didn't have a similar condition.

  

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43. "RE: chaka khan on piers morgan last night..."
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nigga...





i KNOW you saw it...
she was looking good as a (let me stop lol)








but anyway,
i could totally see her having some polyps and just
never getting them treated properly.

i mean, stevie and chaka and even aretha
have certainly lost something in terms of their power
over the years... but as their voice changed,
they still figured out how to navigate through those changes
and still put it down... even if they can't wail like they
used to.



i think whitney just tried to shout through
the dammage, and she never got the surgury,
and she was yelling at bobby brown,
and she was smoking...

so yeah.

she just didn't take proper care of her voice.


  

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46. "RE: chaka khan on piers morgan last night..."
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>i could totally see her having some polyps and just
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>have certainly lost something in terms of their power
>over the years... but as their voice changed,
>they still figured out how to navigate through those changes
>and still put it down... even if they can't wail like they
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>and she was yelling at bobby brown,
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47. "oh, I saw it... and talked about it"
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>i KNOW you saw it...
>she was looking good as a (let me stop lol)

I saw her on Unsung w/Ray Parker Jr. and thought, "you know, Chaka looks a lil smaller"

then I saw her on Piers and was like, "damn, Chaka ain't looked like that in over a decade!"

(speaking of which, they had another '74 clip of her on that Unsung, from Soul Train... damn, damn, damn)


>but anyway,
>i could totally see her having some polyps and just
>never getting them treated properly.
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>i mean, stevie and chaka and even aretha
>have certainly lost something in terms of their power
>over the years... but as their voice changed,
>they still figured out how to navigate through those changes
>and still put it down... even if they can't wail like they
>used to.
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>i think whitney just tried to shout through
>the dammage, and she never got the surgury,
>and she was yelling at bobby brown,
>and she was smoking...
>
>so yeah.
>
>she just didn't take proper care of her voice.

yeah, that's what it boils down to.

  

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55. "The Soup was reckless with it lol !!!!!"
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>>but it was funny...
>>the way they kept playing it over and over again.
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>something totally unrelated.
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>Then Whitney.
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>"KISSMYASS!!!"
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>I wouldn't have imagined it in a million years.
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>>btw, i think that of of that yelling is really what
>>ruined whitney's voice... not the crack.
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>>which is not to say that the crack helped,
>>but el debarge's voice was album perfect at the BET
>awards...
>>and i think it's so b/c he's so soft spoken.
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>>eh. but how do i know.
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>>it's just sad either way.
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>There might be some truth to this...
>
>Chaka Khan (on Piers Morgan's CNN show, last night) also
>mentioned how she had polyps that nearly decimated her vocal
>cords... and wondered if Whitney didn't have a similar
>condition.


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25. "You make a very good point, BUT"
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I don't know if that's definitive with regard to Whitney, Oprah or anyone else. Personally I think we should take people at their word unless there is serious evidence to the contrary. But on the other hand, you're burying your head in the sand if you don't think there are some big-time celebrities living in the closet, and some of those close friends are probably more than that. I do think the speculation runs rampant though, and a lot of it comes from people who just don't get close friendship.

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31. "Queen Latifah? yeah."
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Whitney? no.

Oprah? no.

MC Lyte? probably.

fuck you.

  

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38. "Jerry Seinfeld had one of those rumors dogging him a long time ago"
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Again, seemingly inspired mostly by a close friend who was with him all the time. Interestingly though, Jerry ended up involved in scientology (not sure he is any more?) right alongside two of the most talked-about actors: Cruise and Travolta. Really makes you wonder if scientology has a business going of selling straightness brainwashing (which I will from now on call "straightwashing") to gay celebs who really don't want to be gay.

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42. "i don't like speculating about who is and isn't gay in Hollywood."
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it's 1 of the most tired topics of conversation ever. i have a few gay friends who are on that and they think everybody in H-wood is gay. i've asked them to just leave me out of those conversations b/c they sicken me.

i'll dabble in it for a giggle every now and then. but that's about it.

fuck you.

  

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45. "i'm never quite sure what people get out of it."
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the truth is,
nobody knows but them.

and until they decide to say anything about it,
it's really nobody's business.


actually, i have the same policy about speculating
in real life.

which is to say, i don't.
b/c why?




>it's 1 of the most tired topics of conversation ever. i have
>a few gay friends who are on that and they think everybody in
>H-wood is gay. i've asked them to just leave me out of those
>conversations b/c they sicken me.
>
>i'll dabble in it for a giggle every now and then. but that's
>about it.

  

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48. "I agree with both of you guys"
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A little speculation for giggles is one thing, but some people persist in talking about and starting/perpetuating rumors, and I don't see the purpose.

I do however understand the gay community's interest in it: they believe (and I think they're right) that the more hugely popular, openly gay celebs there are, the more accepted the lifestyle will become. They have a vested interest in finding gay stars and hopefully convincing them (or pressuring them, or even forcing them - not that I'm in favor of going nearly that far with it) to come out. But there's also a nasty undertone to a lot of their speculation, even - a sense of starfucking celeb-obsession, and also assigning people you don't know personality traits just because it's flattering to you personally. That's how a guy like Perez Hilton strikes me.

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49. "right."
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fuck you.

  

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56. "nothing wrong with a little speculation, for giggles. we all like to lau..."
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>A little speculation for giggles is one thing, but some
>people persist in talking about and starting/perpetuating
>rumors, and I don't see the purpose.
>
>I do however understand the gay community's interest in it:
>they believe (and I think they're right) that the more hugely
>popular, openly gay celebs there are, the more accepted the
>lifestyle will become. They have a vested interest in finding
>gay stars and hopefully convincing them (or pressuring them,
>or even forcing them - not that I'm in favor of going nearly
>that far with it) to come out. But there's also a nasty
>undertone to a lot of their speculation, even - a sense of
>starfucking celeb-obsession, and also assigning people you
>don't know personality traits just because it's flattering to
>you personally. That's how a guy like Perez Hilton strikes
>me.

............right ? Now, "kiss my ass" lol !!!! We gonna miss you,Nippy.

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95. "A slight correction..."
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>A little speculation for giggles is one thing, but some
>people persist in talking about and starting/perpetuating
>rumors, and I don't see the purpose.

I agree as well.


>I do however understand the gay community's interest in it:
>they believe (and I think they're right) that the more hugely
>popular, openly gay celebs there are, the more accepted the
>lifestyle will become.

A.) It's not fully fair to assign that assertion to the WHOLE "community".

B.) It's not a lifestyle. It's an orientation.

C.) I think it's more along lines of, the more hugely popular, openly gay celebs there are, the more there will be of everyday regular people being true with themselves and others about what they really are - gay or not. Like it or not, more people look to who they see in the media to give them courage to be what they want or need to be in their OWN lives.



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98. "Oh, i agree Treb. By the way, "A little speculation for giggles"...."
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>>A little speculation for giggles is one thing, but some
>>people persist in talking about and starting/perpetuating
>>rumors, and I don't see the purpose.
>
>I agree as well.
>
>
>>I do however understand the gay community's interest in it:
>>they believe (and I think they're right) that the more
>hugely
>>popular, openly gay celebs there are, the more accepted the
>>lifestyle will become.
>
>A.) It's not fully fair to assign that assertion to the WHOLE
>"community".
>
>B.) It's not a lifestyle. It's an orientation.
>
>C.) I think it's more along lines of, the more hugely popular,
>openly gay celebs there are, the more there will be of
>everyday regular people being true with themselves and others
>about what they really are - gay or not. Like it or not, more
>people look to who they see in the media to give them courage
>to be what they want or need to be in their OWN lives.
>

......was my part of that conversation. The other part wasn't me(c)Shaggy. lol !!

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100. "RE: A slight correction..."
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>A.) It's not fully fair to assign that assertion to the WHOLE
>"community".

Didn't intend to, I was just generalizing as shorthand. I realize gays have lots of different opinions and are not a unified wall of groupthink. Generally though, I would say that gays *should* be in favor of public figures coming out - that's just common sense - and in my experience, the majority of them are just that.

>B.) It's not a lifestyle. It's an orientation.

OK.

>C.) I think it's more along lines of, the more hugely popular,
>openly gay celebs there are, the more there will be of
>everyday regular people being true with themselves and others
>about what they really are - gay or not. Like it or not, more
>people look to who they see in the media to give them courage
>to be what they want or need to be in their OWN lives.

You don't think general acceptance in the culture-at-large is important though? I think if I was part of a discriminated-against minority (and I'm appreciative to not be), I would be very much interested in trying to change attitudes toward my group.

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103. "Personally, I could give a fuck less"
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>You don't think general acceptance in the culture-at-large is
>important though?

Admittedly, there was a time when I cared what other folks thought of gays...so much so that I wasn't willing to admit that I was one myself.

That has changed. And this is honestly in the past 2-3 years.

Since finding out that my few real true friends could care less about who I'm fucking and care more about me as a person, my attitude is more of "I'm going to be 100% me, like it or not". That being said, I'm not as concerned with acceptance as I used to be. If being gay keeps fake, flighty or questioning people away from me, that's less fuckery that I gotta deal with, so, yay and shit.


>I think if I was part of a
>discriminated-against minority (and I'm appreciative to not
>be), I would be very much interested in trying to change
>attitudes toward my group.

I realize what you're saying, and I don't take offense, however, this reads like:

"If I were part of a minority group that were hated for some part of being ourselves, I'd want to change to be more accepted by the masses."

Is that where you were going with that statement?



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102. "Cosign on point C"
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27. "i am starting to realize most people don't really have close friends."
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not the way you're talking about, i mean.

i see more people w/ bonds like this
in the army.

but even still, it's rare.



i've always managed to make close friends...
so i guess that's why i never found oprah and gayle
to have a weird relationship.

and yeah, when people see two people w/ that type of closeness,
people assume they are fucking.

i guess i've always taken the type of closeness i have
w/ my friends for granted.




anyway... i agree.
100 percent.


>all i can figure is what i said initially in this reply. that
>ppl haven't had a close friend like the ones i have or like
>Whitney and Robyn had or like Oprah and Gayle have. i feel
>sad for them.
>
>

  

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30. "I wonder why this is"
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>and yeah, when people see two people w/ that type of
>closeness,
>people assume they are fucking.

it doesn't even have to be in a gay context.

  

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36. "i know this much."
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people tend to tell me things
that they don't tell other people.

they open up to me in a way that they don't open up to others.
there are a number of reasons for this, i think...


first off, i'm not judgmental. people tell me things, and i
just let it be what it is.

and number 2, i don't gossip.
i don't listen to it,
and i don't tell it.
if people start gossipping around me, i change the subject.

and i guess people notice that,
b/c they start telling me things and they realize
it won't go any further than me.



now why am i saying this?

b/c i used to assume that this is how ALL friends interacted w/ each other... but i am starting to realize that people
that are a friend to people like i am are the exception, not the rule.



i've seen so many people that act like they are friends together,
but when they get around other folks, they back bite each other
and put each other's business out on the streets.



like, there's just no circle of trust.



hell... i've had friends that i've fallen out with,
and we STILL didn't air each other's shit out...
just out of respect for what we used to have.


friends where even after we drifted apart,
we could still call each other for favors if we needed them.

b/c that's what friends do. even if they drift apart,
that's what friends are supposed to do.









anyway, that longwinded answer was given to say this.
people can't conceptulaize how 2 people can be that close,
b/c most people have never had that type of ride or die bond
w/ anybody else.

so they have to turn it into something the can recognize
in order to make sense of it.
i.e. "they probablly fucking."




kind of like how folks assumed there was no way MJ could have
liked children in a pure way, b/c THEIR kids get on their damn
nerves so much. so they turned it into something else
b/c they couldn't believe it was pure.


same thing.


>>and yeah, when people see two people w/ that type of
>>closeness,
>>people assume they are fucking.
>
>it doesn't even have to be in a gay context.

  

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44. "man, yeah."
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yeah. cuz i'm like that too. i don't gossip and i don't enjoy hearing it. and i distrust ppl who trade in gossip b/c i figure they're somewhere gossiping about me when i'm not around. and i can't stand that shit. i accept a certain amount of it b/c it's inevitable, but i prefer to limit gossip in my life as much as possible.

i wonder if ppl notice it. maybe they do like the ppl in your life notice that about you. i hope so. lol

fuck you.

  

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50. "this is garbage and a tacky bad timing to be putting this up "
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i mean the woman ain't been dead but 2 days barely and this kinda tacky tabloid mess is posted here?

i mean respect her and her family is that too much to ask?

if you lost someone would you want someone putting there business known or unknown all out like this?

turkeys these days have no class or tact and that is one of the problems with the internet, no shame whatsoever.

let her RIP and its tough just coping with her not being here.

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90. "RE: this is garbage and a tacky bad timing to be putting this up "
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I agree.

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52. "................."
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Not my intentions for this post to be a rumor mill
Nor was my intentions to be a part of it
There was (and still is) major speculation running around the net
And I guess addressing those speculations and attempting to put them into context was wrong

The point of this was to address the homophobia amongst the black community and entertainment world
The rumors got me thinking on a bigger level
And I wanted to have an open discussion about why it is

Intentions werent to be disrespectful or malicious or offend
Just trying to openly express my thoughts

Won't do that again


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53. "nah, I think it worked out OK"
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because it kind of highlighted something else that was just weird.
like why did people go right to Robyn being her "lover"
and why was it such an issue (if it were ever true) in the first place.

Whitney, like all stars, was pretty private

what I've learned about her since her death and people spoke about her life, is that she was a real TOP DOG... like, she wore the pants in everything and insisted on things being a certain way. But she wore that mask in public. Even on Being Bobby Brown... with the whole "KISS MY ASS" thing (sorry, had to do it again).

  

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57. "How could you resist not doing ? lol !!! that shit was funny as hell."
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with the whole "KISS MY ASS" thing (sorry, had
>to do it again).

She just barked it. And i remember my mouth dropped open, and fell off the couch dying. I was like,Nippy is keeping it really real right now.

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64. "True dat doc"
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59. "clive davis likes gay rumours for his proteges"
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maybe he thinks it makes good gossip fodder, what with people saying that about whitney and alicia keys lol. but was whitney gay? i dunno. luther however..........

  

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60. "lol !!! what ? your making this up, right ?"
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>maybe he thinks it makes good gossip fodder, what with people
>saying that about whitney and alicia keys lol. but was whitney
>gay? i dunno. luther however..........
>
>


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61. "im speculating"
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but it is funny (maybe just coincidental) how his two most famous proteges both had those rumours swirling around them from day one.

  

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62. "ah lol !!!!"
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>but it is funny (maybe just coincidental) how his two most
>famous proteges both had those rumours swirling around them
>from day one.

Right,i forgot about the Alicia Keys speculations(well,there still out there,considering she's married to swizz beats).

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63. "****tapes mouth shut******"
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65. "lol !!! Naw, bruh. Express yourself, you have a right too."
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>

*brace yourself,while i pull tape off*. Speak on it, maynnnnnnnnnee !!!!

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66. "Owwwwwwwwwwwww "
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They kinda died down once she married swizz and had the baby
Coincidence?
Who knows

I was scratching my head why Big Tif and her "assistant" were on the honeymoon with them.


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67. "hmmmmmmmmmm..............."
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>They kinda died down once she married swizz and had the baby
>Coincidence?
>Who knows
>
>I was scratching my head why Big Tif and her "assistant" were
>on the honeymoon with them.
>
>
>




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79. "They died down before that."
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Once she started dressing more femme and straightening her hair, a lot of that went away.

  

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68. "A friend told me she hit on Eddie Johnson's wife"
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The NBA player who played for the Kings and Suns

My boy was playing at Sac State and used to work out with some of the Kings players. He struck up a friendship with Eddie (along with Ricky Barry who would tragically commit suicide after his Rookie year) Any way Eddie invited my boy Sean down to the Whitney Houston show in Oakland where they had backstage passes. Long story short, he said after the show Whitney invited Eddie's wife back to her hotel and joked it was going to be "Girl's Night" After a few uncomfortable moments with them trying to figure out if she was joking or not, he said Whitney came up close on Eddie's wife and whispered something in her ear... Sean said she looked shocked as hell and then shook her head no... he said it was getting really loud so he couldn't hear what Eddie's wife said back but he could tell it was a "no". A few days later Eddie told him Whitney really was asking to sleep with her.

This is second hand knowledge but knowing my boy he wouldn't lie about something like that.
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69. "Oh ? "
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>The NBA player who played for the Kings and Suns
>
>My boy was playing at Sac State and used to work out with some
>of the Kings players. He struck up a friendship with Eddie
>(along with Ricky Barry who would tragically commit suicide
>after his Rookie year) Any way Eddie invited my boy Sean down
>to the Whitney Houston show in Oakland where they had
>backstage passes. Long story short, he said after the show
>Whitney invited Eddie's wife back to her hotel and joked it
>was going to be "Girl's Night" After a few uncomfortable
>moments with them trying to figure out if she was joking or
>not, he said Whitney came up close on Eddie's wife and
>whispered something in her ear... Sean said she looked like
>she looked shocked as hell... he said it was getting really
>loud so he couldn't hear what Eddie's wife said back but he
>could tell it was a "no". A few days later Eddie told him
>Whitney really was asking to sleep with her.
>
>This is second hand knowledge but knowing my boy he wouldn't
>lie about something like that.
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Shut the door !!!! lol

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70. "I'm sure I told you this story before man"
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71. "Thanks for sharing OP"
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Mofos are acting like there's zero validity to the subject
Which is again part of the problem

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73. "yes. i deny the Whitney gay rumors b/c i'm so homophobic."
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and i'm this homophobic b/c i'm Black. of course, were i white i'd have 0 problem admitting 1 of our idols was a muff diver even though i've seen direct evidence to the contrary and all 'evidence' supporting the muff-diving is 4th/5th/6th hand, whispered info.

right.

fuck you.

  

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76. "Not going THERE"
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And you shouldn't either
If you don't like this convo, you have the freedom to respectfully decline to speak on it.
There's plenty of other topics on this site for ya.

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77. "naw, i want to dead this one."
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LOL

fuck you.

  

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80. "Dude me too...lol"
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I should've just named it the fear of gay black singers
And left nippy out of it

Had a feeling it would be controversial lol
Wasn't trying to disrespect the Fam or Fans.

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81. "i agree. lol"
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i get where you're going but i think Whitney is a bad example.

fuck you.

  

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75. "Tracy Chapman"
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I find it hard to believe that a drug addiction would be better for Whit's image than being a lesbian

if it was possible to hide her sexuality from the public for so long, why wouldn't they also hide her addiction

Tracy Chapman was big around the same time as Whit

I didn't need evidence of her being a lesbian

it was just implied

and it didn't seem to hurt her career

There is no way that a Whitney Houston lesbian affair would produce no proof

an interview with an ex-lover

a sextape

a photo

anything

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78. "Different culture for Tracy"
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Again it's not just about Whitney
It's about gay black entertainers in general and how folks react to them


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82. "RE: Whitney and the fear of the gay black singer "
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http://www.avclub.com/articles/whitney-houston-and-robyn-are-mashup-soulmates,69327/
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84. "The gay rumor chased her when she dated Randall Cunningham..."
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I heard folks say she was dating the big-time athlete to prove she was straight. FWIW, I never thought Whitney was gay at all.

  

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86. "I must say given the title and the timing I thought"
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there'd be a lot of nasty stuff being thrown around in this post.

But I'm really glad there's some insightful and intelligent conversation here.

Carry on sirs.

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88. "if u cant be real about Lyte/Luther how can u about Whitney?"
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Seriously.

I mean I agree that the gay community tends to think everyone and they mama are gay... and that shit can be annoying as fuck.

but Luther was clearly as gay as Tyler Perry. In fact more so.

Lyte/Latifah/Lynque (sp) aka Isis have been associated with gay parties now for almost two decades in both New Jersey and New York.

You have to be kidding me.



  

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89. "Rupaul"
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91. "Meshell Ndegeocello is openly gay and she still has a career. "
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93. "donnie too."
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99. "Yep - which leads me to believe that most of the people they "
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are referencing comes from the generation prior. Different ball game. However Sylvester and Jermaine Stewart where of that generation - so also add different markets. Pop/R&B stars versus underground/club/house/avant garde stars.

  

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104. "Jermaine was dope. One of my first CDs"
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101. "Neither are major celebs"
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Nor were Sylvester or Jermaine
I'm speaking on someone on the b or a list of the black entertainment world.

But to speak on me shell, black radio shied away or questioned her singing who is he when it dropped.

And BET banned Leviticus!!

And Stephen is gay!!!

Major homophobia!!



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