Honestly? I'm starting to believe that he missed his time. 12 years ago Voodoo came out, and people started realizing that this guy could change music. Brown Sugar was something new in a time where Biggie and Tupac were dominating radio. I really felt that D could've done something back then. Voodoo confirmed his potential as a heir to the greats.

But then he fell off the mark. Getting caught up with the popo multiple times. 12 years later and this guy is just coming back. Don't get me wrong, I love Charade, Another Life, and Sugah Daddy. I just kind of have this...feeling in the back of my mind that perhaps it's too late. That he missed his mark. If the follow up to Voodoo had come out in 2005 we would've been fine. But 2012 and just now this cat is coming back? Still with no sign of an album? I don't know man...I'm not sure what to think.

Thoughts?

let's play ping pong ■

does he have talent? Yes

could he have given R.kelly a run for his money at a particular time? yes.

did he have a chance at possibly being a Hall of Famer? Yes.


is He washed up and a never was? Yes

is He overrated and used by Questlove as a Willie Tyler and Lester Puppet? Yes

are those new songs at best 2nd tier b sides that Prince himself would have flushed down the Paris stool while filming Under the Cherry Doom? Yes.

nobody wants to hear no David Allen Grier cat up on stage strumming a few bar chords going got a old sounding song saying i got a song here it go you wanna hear it?

does D'angelo need a musical Make over? Yes like Yesterday.

He needs to cut ties with Voodoo Boo Boo Poo Poo and re vamp.

Poor turkey stuck in a time warp and his Unsung is going to air right next to Arrested Devlopement.

ain't nobody checking for a cat who is considered to be a Relic,acting like a Relic.

this turkey had a chance to be a Joe Frazier and went out like Marvis Frazier. throw in the towel.

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>could he have given R.kelly a run for his money at a
>particular time? yes.

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>this turkey had a chance to be a Joe Frazier and went out like
>Marvis Frazier. throw in the towel.

^^^theres no need for all that ether

>Poor turkey stuck in a time warp and his Unsung is going to
>air right next to Arrested Devlopement.

The show was off the muhfuckin hook. Like, really...

but maybe that's where d'angelo will stay: no one's really arguing his live show doesn't beat most others, right?

This nigga got Freddie Jackson in the rotation and is clowning D? Hahahaha! Half the people in your "rotation" never was.

and it ain't even close. Freddie better singer, better songs, better songs were produced and he still brings it live. he can sing anything and Freddie don't come off like nostelgic act.

Freddie's impact on R&B is 10 times more than D'angelo's turkey.

Freddie Jackson is Robert Parrish to D'angelo's Ralph Sampson. you know who had the actual career to who had Potential.

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D'angelo birthed a major movement in R&B. Freddie Jackson? And I'm not denying Jackson's talent but to say that his impact on R&B is 10 times greater than D's is crazy to me.

Freddie Jackson was battling Luther Vandross and if you know anything about Luther and what he meant to R&B, you know that D'angelo couldn't carry either ones microphone let alone match those cats impact.

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I agree with both of your comments. And to my other dude, Freddie Jackson classics trumps D'Agelo....not even close bruh

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You mean all two of them?

I wonder if you would say any of this shit to his face. probably not....

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he would be scared of me though because for one I bought his music and as a Consumer i can voice my opinon 1)

if dude came me at sideways, i can get my R&B thug on and get down. so ain't nobody scurred of a R&B Relic. 2)

and all you gotta do is wave a Billboard Magazine around his eyes and ask him where he is on the charts and watch him disappear again like Casper. 3)

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LOL. You wrong.

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without a doubt. at the very least, like Bilal, he should've dropped shit here and there and sung on hooks, or gone the Erykah route and alienated his core fan base while making great experimental music.

these clips just seem, i don't know, good/great, but fueled by nostalgia and a sense of relief that sumthin is "here".

fuck you.

look how much buzz has been generated from some cellphone recorded youtube clips. people freakin love him, and overseas in particular...which is why he probably chose to go there first.

takes something for people to fly from all over the world to see this cat perform. 'pierre sarkozy � son of the president - came by, De La Soul was in the house, Stephen Hill, Chris Webber' etc. because they remember what he did 12+ years ago. voice still strong.



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And his albums came right at the beginning-beginning of the "Neo Soul" movement, and then at the peak of when it really started to take over.

Him "missing his time" woulda meant his debut was 2003, and 2nd album was 2007 or 2010. The fact that it's been 12 years and folks are STILL talking about him means his timing was perfect.

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though his was more inflammatorily titled.... like 9 years ago

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now i'm not even a huge fan of this guy,
but let's face it...



--did anybody expect mariah carey to drop the best album of her career in 2005?

--did anybody expect tina turner to turn her career around in 1984?

--did anybody expect little stevie wonder to be anything more than a one hit wonder?

--did anybody expect smokey robinson to have a little revival in the 80s?

--and even though his success seems inevitable now, did anybody expect MJ to make it post motown? did anybody expect him to make it as a solo artist?





now i realize that none of these metaphors are perfect.
i mean... the music industry has changed over completely nowadays.
and we can argue all day about where d'angelo fits talent wise among the
artists i put on that list up there.

but my point still sort of stands...
nobody can really predict who's comeback is going to work
and who's comeback is going to flop.



and even if there is no chance of d'angelo scoring a number one pop single,
or even a number one r&b single...

let's not write off his ability to create a brilliant album.
i mean, al green just recently did it. and who was really expecting that?

(again, it's not a perfect metaphor, but what is?)




hell, for all we know, in the year 2015, lauryn hill could get her shit together,
appear on a few tracks singing some r&b hits,
and then convince questlove to produce a classic soul album for her.

i mean, stranger things have happened.

elvis had a little comeback in vegas.






i guess my point is...
maybe we should just wait and see.


i'm rooting for him.

but one of the best examples was The Time (Original 7ven) last year.

no one knew what to expect.
even with the track record of Jam & Lewis.
even with Jesse's latest record being a good indication of what might appear.
even with their legendary live shows.

there were just so many factors in the 21 years that had passed since their last record as a group, not to mention the whole "no Prince involvement, name change legalese" stuff hanging over their heads.

and yet, I think they made one of the best comebacks of any artist I have heard. even factoring out the severely lowered expectations... they made a (critical) (St/f)an very happy with what turned out. Just about everyone else who doesn't have their noses deep in Purple Kool-Aid and knew of the band felt the same.


whatever comes of this, I think D'Mumblo is going to make his fans very happy, and gain quite a few new ones. With these live shows, he already has, IMO.

He represents a lot to people of a certain age. I don't think he really missed his time, because when "Brown Sugar" dropped, he was certainly the right kind of artist making the right kind of music for that era.

The only thing about him is that, I think he bought into that "messiah" hype and felt like a failure not being able to live up to it. I think the kind of music he makes stands well enough on its own that he really doesn't have to worry about being a savior, but maybe he never did.

All he gotta do is just go out there and be D. And the people will love him. You can't really say you've failed when you have a built-in fanbase.

>All he gotta do is just go out there and be D. And the people
>will love him.

This is exactly what he's done. I saw him live on Friday just gone and it was a fantastic show. You could tell that he was really enjoying himself. You get great shows if an artist is feeling joyful:)

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1 of 'em has about 200,000 views in less than a week.

If his time had passed, people wouldn't care when he finally appears and put on shows.

People have been waiting for a long time for him to resurface. Now, that he's doing shows again, the interest is still there.

It's not like his fanbase is fickle teenage girls.

The state of R&B isn't that good anyway. It's not like he's got a whole lot of people in his spot and taking his place.

The Frank Ocean's and the Weenkds and the Trey Songz ain't really cutting it for a lot of people.

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the crowd's reaction prior to the show

people in line are genuinely hyped for it
there are a lot of older heads but also younger ones who never had the chance to really experience his music because it came out before their time

people love this guy

he sold out a 3000 capacity venue in 40 seconds

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They love soul music!!!
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I know for a fact that a LOT of thirsty D stans* are watching the videos over and over (c) Shalamar

and over

and over

and over and

over

andover

and

over



so I don't think you can necessarily read those YouTube views as a direct correlation to the number of eyes (and hearts) following D's resurgence.

Which is not to say that there IS no interest... just that this is not really great evidence to support such a claim.







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>1 of 'em has about 200,000 views in less than a week.
>
>If his time had passed, people wouldn't care when he finally
>appears and put on shows.
>
>People have been waiting for a long time for him to resurface.
> Now, that he's doing shows again, the interest is still
>there.
>
>It's not like his fanbase is fickle teenage girls.
>
>The state of R&B isn't that good anyway. It's not like he's
>got a whole lot of people in his spot and taking his place.
>
>The Frank Ocean's and the Weenkds and the Trey Songz ain't
>really cutting it for a lot of people.

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There arent many out there right now putting it down half as hard as his 12 year hiatus ass is doing right now...

12 years off and D is killin it like he never left....

Good music prob is one of many things that kept the underskilled D'angelo in a writing block/hiatus same as L.Hill and other subpar niggas yall champion on this board

>Good music prob is one of many things that kept the
>underskilled D'angelo in a writing block/hiatus same as L.Hill
>and other subpar niggas yall champion on this board
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>Good music prob is one of many things that kept the
>underskilled D'angelo in a writing block/hiatus same as L.Hill
>and other subpar niggas yall champion on this board
>


What the blood claaat ???

What the blood claaat ???

Yes and no

Yes - after the Voodoo tour virtually nothing - one album every six years would have been OK - 12 years is a long time

No - quality will always succeed no matter what - hell it took over 40 years for Brian Wilson to finish Smile - it was as great in 2004 as would have been in 1967 - as they say form is temporary, class is permanent

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From a mainstream marketing perspective in 2012
It's going to be an uphill climb for him and the label
Dude will need a $$ cut (c) Maxx
He done already took the butt naked route with Voodoo
Which saved that record btw

I don't see him getting AirPlay on anything outside of a classic RNb and soul station
Sad to say but he is an old dude making "mature" music
And most folk outside of the okp and the type just don't care anymore.
He will get sales based on his past and fan base
Also sales from the "train wreck" watchers
And prob def have a sell out tour based on the above mentioned audiences

But as far as striking gold w a funk rock record in a techno world??it's going to be rough!!
If he pulls it off and rescues RNb from the oontz, he is indeed a bad dude

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but the "LCD" R&B that in the decade prior, sounded like like a "showtunes" revue of The Chronic...

thankfully the one who waved that particular flag proudly and most prominently in the decade prior (Kellz) is now off that after so long.

I don't have THAT high a hope in this particular climate for a D'Angelo studio comeback to change the face of R&B. But I think if he makes something honest and it's promoted well... he'll get a lot of people lookin'. Like you said, he has a real uphill battle.

In a way he kind of reminds me of Jesse Johnson w/o the obsession for his chosen instrument. Obv. D'Mumblo ain't seeing Jesse's portfolio as for what he's done in his career but the way they drop off for a LONG time then drop back on like nothing really changed...

Revising what I said earlier in the thread, I think that D'Angelo missed his chance to STOMP on the competition, but there's no way he missed his chance to get his place at the table.

I admit, outside of the singles and a few album cuts (and his guest appearances on OKArtists records and the remixes DJ Premier and Dilla did for dude) I'm vastly unfamiliar with his catalog... I had my head way up my ass when all them acts were hot and burning up the scene back then. Though, I know what the dude represented. Though there were more prolific artists (who most importantly, stayed the course in D's absence)... I think he is certainly the face of the "neo soul" era of R&B.

that's a heavy mantle to hold. and when you vacate it? shit.

I agree wholeheartedly
He still has a place at the table
For me even if there wasn't anything else heard from him
Although he might have been sitting next to Shuggie Otis lol

As I stated before in other mumblo posts
If his people stop putting extras on shit, he will be fine
Critics have already picked up on that black Smile shit

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>I don't see him getting AirPlay on anything outside of a
>classic RNb and soul station

who expects a new D'Angelo song to be HOT10whatever.5? do you? i'm pretty sure that isn't his target audience.

>Sad to say but he is an old dude making "mature" music

i'm not seeing the problem here.

>And most folk outside of the okp and the type just don't care
>anymore.
>He will get sales based on his past and fan base

what's wrong with that?

>Also sales from the "train wreck" watchers

i doubt that "train wreck" watchers will BUY anything. i don't really see his issues being that great to even deserve that kind of label. i don't think he's turned anyone off by his antics...it's not like he hit Britney Spears levels of wildness where people are thinking that he's gonna die soon.


>And prob def have a sell out tour based on the above mentioned
>audiences

oh no, a sell out tour!! probably definitely!!! the horror!!

>But as far as striking gold w a funk rock record in a techno
>world??it's going to be rough!!
>If he pulls it off and rescues RNb from the oontz, he is
>indeed a bad dude

if he's setting out to "rescue" R&B then he's going to disappoint himself. all he needs to do is stay in his lane and make music that he's comfortable with.

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I get the impression that people feel that him (and Lauryn) were some sort of musical leaders that would have led a scene that battled auto-tune and oontz or whatever. Honestly, I don't think their presence would have changed shit.

There's a reason why certain music becomes popular in certain eras and D'angelo's approach in retrospect did not feel 00's at all to me and I'm not saying that because he didn't release anything...

Now he can come back as some sort of elder stateman and the thing is that the fans he had actually4 remembers him which is a luxury many artists don't have. All you really need as an artist is a faithful audience who don't abandon you regardless of trends (assuming of course that you don't break their trust by releasing music uncharacteristic of their vision of you)

Fact of the matter is that we've always known that he's great at a particular classic sound. I expect more of the same, but in 2012 after a hiatus..it's really not impressive.

At least Maxwell was able to even go more insular into VH1 Soul/Quiet Storm R&B.

Dude had a $$ cut with pretty wings
If he didn't have it, his comeback wouldn't have been so successful

Again I'm measuring success in the mainstream world
J records want a hit...I'm sure they're not putting in millions just for the critics and his Fans to cop
That only goes so far

Creatively and personally, I could give a shit what he does as long as he's true to his self.

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>Again I'm measuring success in the mainstream world
>J records want a hit...I'm sure they're not putting in
>millions just for the critics and his Fans to cop
>That only goes so far

RCA Records wants a hit.

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because that went by fairly unnoticed on this side of the planet

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think that is his 4th in a row

What the blood claaat ???

What do we have now... 4 or 5 on the first page?

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if you ask me, I think the "obsession" comes from the lack of hearing anything like VOODOO again in the past decade. that "LCD" R&B that dominated the early '00s, right when he vanished from sight.

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and 2)because there's always an audience for good quality music

who has filled that void that's been there since D has been in hiatus? Trey Songz?...yeah, right

grassrootsphilosopher

Is more relevant then D'angelo has ever been.


>and 2)because there's always an audience for good quality
>music
>
>who has filled that void that's been there since D has been in
>hiatus? Trey Songz?...yeah, right

honest question.

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>Is more relevant then D'angelo has ever been.

that's because D'angelo has been on a self imposed hiatus...and even after 12 yrs since Voodoo, he still has a fanbase waiting on another cd release from him. I guaranntee you NO ONE would miss Trey Songz if he disappeared for even 1 yr...


>>and 2)because there's always an audience for good quality
>>music
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>>who has filled that void that's been there since D has been
>in
>>hiatus? Trey Songz?...yeah, right
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