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Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
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"Let's Revisit The Source's Top 100 Rap Albums (Issue #100 Jan. 98)"


  

          

Do you agree with the list? If not, what albums would you replace on this list and what are the albums you'd replace them with? The omission of Hard to Earn, Southernplayalistic... and IWW has me scratching my head but i don't know what i'd remove from the list to make room at the moment.

• A Tribe Called Quest- Low End Theory
• A Tribe Called Quest- People's Instictive Travels and the Paths of Rythm
• A Tribe Called Quest- Midnight Marauders
• Above the Law- Livin' Like Hustlers
• Beastie Boys- License to Ill
• Beastie Boys- Paul's Boutique
• Big Daddy Kane- Long Live the Cane
• Big Daddy Kane- It's a Big Daddy Thing
• Biz Markie- Goin' Off
• Black Moon- Enta Da Stage
• Black Sheep- A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing
• Bone Thugs-N-Harmony- Creepin' On Ah Come Up (EP)
• Boogie Down Productions- Criminal Minded
• Boogie Down Productions- By All Means Nessesary
• Brand Nubian- All For One
• Chill Rob G- Ride the Rythm
• Common Sense- Resurrection
• Cypress Hill- Cypress Hill
• Cypress Hill- Black Sunday
• Das EFX- Dead Serious
• De La Soul- Three Feet High and Rising
• De La Soul- De La Soul Is Dead
• Diamond D- Stunts,Blunts and Hip-Hop
• Digable Planets- Reachin'...
• Digital Underground- Sex Packets
• DJ Quick- Quick Is the Name
• D.O.C.- No One Can Do It Better
• Doug E. Fresh- World's Greatest Entertainer
• Dr.Dre- The Chronic
• Eazy E- Eazy Does It
• Eric B. & Rakim- Paid in Full
• Eric B. & Rakim- Follow the Leader
• Eric B. & Rakim- Let the Rythm Hit'Em
• EPMD- Strictly Business
• EPMD- Unfinished Business
• EPMD- Business as Usual
• Fugees- The Score
• Gang Starr- Step In The Arena
• Gang Starr- Daily Operation
• Genius/GZA- Liquid Swords
• Geto Boys- Grip It! On That Other Level
• Heavy D & The Boyz- Livin' Large
• Ice Cube- Amerikkka's Most Wanted
• Ice Cube- Death Certificate
• Ice T- Original Gangster
• Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince- He's the DJ, I'm The Rapper
• Jay-Z- Reasonable Doubt
• Jungle Brothers- Straight Out The Jungle
• Jungle Brothers- Forces Of Nature
• Just Ice- Kool and Deadly
• Kool G Rap & DJ Polo- Road To Riches
• KRS One- Return Of the Boom Bap
• LL Cool J- Radio
• LL Cool J- Bigger and Deffer
• LL Cool J- Mama Said Knock You Out
• Lord Finesse- Funky Technician
• Main Source- Breakin' Atoms
• MC Lyte- Lyte as a Rock
• MC Shan- Down By Law
• Mobb Deep- The Infamous
• Naughty By Nature- Naughty By Nature
• Nas- Illimatic
• Nice & Smooth- Nice & Smooth
• Notorious B.I.G.- Ready to Die
• Notorious B.I.G.- Life After Death
• NWA- Straight Outta Compton
• Ol'Dirty Bastard- Return to the 36 Chambers
• Onyx- Bacdafucup
• Organized Konfusion- Stress:the Extinction Agenda
• OutKast- ATLiens
• Pete Rock & CL Smooth- Mecca and the Soul Brother
• The Pharcyde- Bizzare Ride...II Pharcyde
• Poor Righteous Teachers- Holly Intellect
• Public Enemy- Yo! Bum Rush the Show
• Public Enemy- It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back
• Public Enemy- Fear Of a Black Planet
• Queen Latifah- All Hail the Queen
• Raekwon- Only Built For Cuban Linx
• Redman- Whut Thee Album
• The Roots- Do You Want More?
• The Roots- Illadephalflife v.3
• Run DMC- Run DMC
• Run DMC- Raising Hell
• Salt N Pepa- Hot, Cool and Viscious
• Scarface- Mr. Scarface is Back
• Schooly D- Saturday Night: the Album
• Slick Rick- The Great Advantures Of Slick Rick
• Smif N Wessun- Da Shinin'
• Snoop Doggy Dogg- Doggystyle
• Souls Of Mischief- 93 Till' Infinity
• Special Ed- Youngest In Charge
• Spice 1- Spice 1
• Stestasonic- On Fire
• 3rd Bass- Cactus Album
• Too Short- Born To Mack
• Tupac- Me Against The World
• Ultramagnetic MC's - Critical Beatdown
• Whodini- Escape
• Wu-Tang Clan- Enter the Wu-Tang
• X-Clan- To the East Backwards

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Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

  

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No Fantastic Guys Vol. One on there? This is wrong. Wow baby.
Jan 22nd 2012
1
i'm kinda a fan of jeffy
Apr 02nd 2012
45
fuck let's not...
Jan 22nd 2012
2
let's talk about this "list" itself...
Jan 22nd 2012
3
      RE: let's talk about this "list" itself...
Jan 22nd 2012
5
      RE: let's talk about this "list" itself...
Jan 22nd 2012
6
           C'mon man, the Source didn't invent ranking/listing in music mags.
Jan 22nd 2012
7
                RE: C'mon man, the Source didn't invent ranking/listing in music mags.
Jan 22nd 2012
8
                     RE: C'mon man, the Source didn't invent ranking/listing in music mags.
Jan 22nd 2012
9
                     I suppose the question is do you find this to be a problem for other gen...
Jan 24th 2012
38
      Didn't you just make a list of the best songs of 2001?
Apr 02nd 2012
41
           RE: Didn't you just make a list of the best songs of 2001?
Apr 02nd 2012
42
                But your contradiction confuses me
Apr 02nd 2012
43
                     RE: But your contradiction confuses me
Apr 02nd 2012
44
                          I understand, but "you people"?
Apr 02nd 2012
46
                               RE: I understand, but "you people"?
Apr 02nd 2012
47
RE: Let's Revisit The Source's Top 100 Rap Albums (Issue #100 Jan. 98)
Jan 22nd 2012
4
RE: Does this look out of place to anyone else?
Jan 22nd 2012
10
that ATL album is crack rock! what are you talking about?
Jan 22nd 2012
11
LIVIN' LIKE HUSTLERS is a classic.
Jan 22nd 2012
12
NCDIB is better production wise than any Dre-helmed album
Jan 22nd 2012
19
Yeah, that Above The Law record deserves to be up there. n/m
Jan 22nd 2012
16
have you ever heard that record?
Jan 22nd 2012
21
      RE: It's been at least fifteen years.
Jan 22nd 2012
22
only one Pac record?! ridiculous
Jan 22nd 2012
13
All Eyes on me = OVERRATED AS FUCK!!!! (c) TOKPR
Jan 22nd 2012
14
not really, since he never made a classic album in his lifetime
Jan 22nd 2012
15
dude foh w/ your anti Pac bias.
Jan 22nd 2012
17
he NEVER had incredible production top to bottom on an album
Jan 22nd 2012
18
I actually love Pac, I'm just not a sycophant & nope to all that bullshi...
Jan 22nd 2012
20
Don Killiuminati was classic as hell
Jan 23rd 2012
34
I don't understand why Strictly for my N....
Jan 23rd 2012
29
      for a long time it was the only Pac album I was that into
Jan 24th 2012
36
Too Short has at least 4 albums better than Born To Mack
Jan 22nd 2012
23
True but it's a New York mag
Jan 23rd 2012
25
      I mean, how else you justify Scarface is Back but NO Diary?
Jan 24th 2012
37
           Yep Diary Should Be On There
Jan 24th 2012
39
Can't really go wrong with anything on there though n/m
Jan 23rd 2012
24
the jungle brothers got more albums on this shit then tupac.
Jan 23rd 2012
26
Be careful, they will HOUSE you!!!!
Jan 23rd 2012
28
those first two Jungle records are classics
Jan 24th 2012
35
this is hard
Jan 23rd 2012
27
Okay, some thoughts off the top.
Jan 23rd 2012
30
At least you acknowledge your blasphemy :)
Jan 23rd 2012
31
I had this issue I remember
Jan 23rd 2012
32
i still have this issue
Jan 23rd 2012
33
Is there a website that has "the canon" for hip hop, start to present?
Apr 02nd 2012
40

Just Jeffy
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1. "No Fantastic Guys Vol. One on there? This is wrong. Wow baby."
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Hey hi this is Jeffy again. I hope you love me like I want to make you move in this boot-boot. I'll be great, trust me!

  

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45. "i'm kinda a fan of jeffy"
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β€œSo back we go to these questions β€” friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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david bammer
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2. "fuck let's not..."
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i am so "over" the 90's.
especially 90's pop-rap music.

  

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3. "let's talk about this "list" itself..."
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i think this issue of the source was responsible for the blaze 50 mc list, ego trip book of rap lists, the bulk of complex rag's content and basically every "dog-chasing-tail" retrospective, need-to-canonize-everything "discussion" rap music fans have been having on internet message boards since.

  

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5. "RE: let's talk about this "list" itself..."
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http://www.amazon.com/Book-Rock-Lists-Dave-Marsh/dp/044057580X

  

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david bammer
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6. "RE: let's talk about this "list" itself..."
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>http://www.amazon.com/Book-Rock-Lists-Dave-Marsh/dp/044057580X

you think THIS actually had impact on the average rap fan?
i don't doubt it might have impacted the journalists who crafted many of these rap lists and the ensuing rap list culture that occurred in it's wake but i doubt very highly anybody in the rap world who views rap music through the camera obscura of listing and canonizing everything is drawing their influence from that book.

  

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7. "C'mon man, the Source didn't invent ranking/listing in music mags."
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SPIN and Rolling Stone were forever ranking and listing the "greatest" this and that for many years before that Source issue.

(And the Book Of Rock Lists DEFINITELY had an impact on the authors of
the ego trip book, to the point of having many of the same lists, and
the same idea of a year-by-year ranking of rap records in the back of
the book.)

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Get over yourself.

  

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8. "RE: C'mon man, the Source didn't invent ranking/listing in music mags."
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>SPIN and Rolling Stone were forever ranking and listing the
>"greatest" this and that for many years before that Source
>issue.
>
>(And the Book Of Rock Lists DEFINITELY had an impact on the
>authors of
>the ego trip book, to the point of having many of the same
>lists, and
>the same idea of a year-by-year ranking of rap records in the
>back of
>the book.)

again, as i'm sure you didn't even fully comprehend my replies before writing your own, i'm not implying nor never did i anywhere imply that white rock mags DIDN'T do this before the source.
i was talking about the impact this particular issue of the source had on various other rap media magazines, websites and the overall impact and reach that had in conditioning rap music fans views and the way they viewed the genre in it's wake.

  

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9. "RE: C'mon man, the Source didn't invent ranking/listing in music mags."
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>again, as i'm sure you didn't even fully comprehend my replies
>before writing your own,

Nice try, but I did. You said "i think this issue of the source was
responsible for etc. etc." In the Book of Rap Lists' case, at least,
this isn't true - the Book of Rock Lists was mentioned, and you
missed the poster's point.

>i'm not implying nor never did i
>anywhere imply that white rock mags DIDN'T do this before the
>source.

Well, perhaps you should've mentioned it. It would've made your view of history seem less narrow.

>i was talking about the impact this particular issue of the
>source had on various other rap media magazines, websites and
>the overall impact and reach that had in conditioning rap
>music fans views and the way they viewed the genre in it's
>wake.

If the Source had never done that issue, rap fans would still have
started ranking their favorite this-and-that, just as plenty of other
groups of music fans have after their genre of music passes a certain
age. It is human nature to do this.

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Get over yourself.

  

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38. "I suppose the question is do you find this to be a problem for other gen..."
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and if not, why is it a problem for hip-hop?

my post below is sourced from a list I started on a website that is dedicated 100% to user reviews and user lists. There are 27,000 categorized lists on those sites and who know how many uncategorized/privatized lists. Music fans and critics LOVE to list things; I'm sort of surprised this is a big deal.



~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." © Jay Bilas

http://www.last.fm/user/NodimaChee
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
http://rateyourmusic.com/list/Nodima/run_that_shit__nodimas_hip_hop_handbook

  

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CMcMurtry
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41. "Didn't you just make a list of the best songs of 2001?"
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___________________________
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"I may curse, I may have a bad mouth, whatever whatever. I'm not that bad, yaknow'mean. Bad to y'all, I dunno how y'all... I don't give a fuck. Um, I'm a good person at heart, for real and shit.

  

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42. "RE: Didn't you just make a list of the best songs of 2001?"
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if i didn't do that nobody else would.

  

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CMcMurtry
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43. "But your contradiction confuses me"
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You get angry when people talk about the good ol' days of the 90's, yet feel the need to constantly lament about the 00's?

Without even thinking too hard or using the search function, I can recall three or four threads you started talking about older stuff, and I can also remember you coming down on those who did the same thing (on some uppity "we don't need another thread like this" shit).

Because you think the 00's haven't been canonized the same way? You've anointed yourself the gatekeeper?

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"I may curse, I may have a bad mouth, whatever whatever. I'm not that bad, yaknow'mean. Bad to y'all, I dunno how y'all... I don't give a fuck. Um, I'm a good person at heart, for real and shit.

  

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44. "RE: But your contradiction confuses me"
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there's three things.

#1 lists of any kind of are imo stupid, as in, they cater to a lowest common denominator of reading, intelligence and understanding.
in the 00's "list-culture" became totally out of control.
but imo it's indicative of the grasp and intelligence most people have today...
so ok, while i think listing and ranking is totally frivolous and insulting intellectually - i recognize that the vast majority of people don't see it the same way.

#2 talking about the same fodder every single year is just beyond redundant and borders on mental illness.
i motioned for a forum that relegates everything before the 21st century to it's own sub-forum because i think the constant need to romanticize the 90s/80s/70s/60s whatever is stifling progress.

#3 how much more time needs to go by before 2000/2001/2002 get "canonized" into rap's history?
it's 2012 - and you people are content having the same discussions about 1994 that you had in 2002 on here like the last 10 years of your lives didn't even happen.
so, while i think discussing the source 100 from jan. 1998 is a boring and 10-year passe discussion.
while i think that issue created the constant need for rap fans to concoct top X lists for every trite subject they could conjure up.
i still think the task of crafting an in-depth list canonizing the periods of 2000 or 2001 is a necessary evil.
i can tell you - if you're waiting for modern "rap authorities" like passion of the weiss, complex rag or tom breihan or other unqualified rap profiteers to do a write-up on 2000/2001 that is as thorough as mine - don't hold your breath.

hopefully this clarifies my rationale.

  

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46. "I understand, but "you people"? "
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Get off your high horse buddy.

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47. "RE: I understand, but "you people"? "
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>Get off your high horse buddy.

you certainly would never see me perpetuating something i'm CONSCIOUSLY opposed to. so yes, "you people" as in whoever that applies to but i certainly am not one of you.

  

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4. "RE: Let's Revisit The Source's Top 100 Rap Albums (Issue #100 Jan. 98)"
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I'd keep 25, drop 31, and I'm unsure about 43 (scanning, I see about 11 that would possibly jump the cut)


this is all out of my own interest and waiting for football boredom, don't mind me. just comparing to where they're at in my big book...really useful personally, thanks for the post. I've been thinking about how many foundation albums, even ones I've listened to a bunch as a kid and in high school, that just got phased out of rotation once I started the book and keeping track of almost entirely new releases. Always hated how lopsided the list is towards 2009-2011, this'll be a good guide for going back to the/my roots and fleshing things out a little better.

• Wu-Tang Clan- Enter the Wu-Tang: #1
• Nas- Illimatic: #2
• Organized Konfusion- Stress:the Extinction Agenda: #5
• Public Enemy- It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back: #7
• Genius/GZA- Liquid Swords: #9
• A Tribe Called Quest- Low End Theory: #12
• The Roots- Illadephalflife v.3: What is this? (Illadelph Halflife: #13)
• Jay-Z- Reasonable Doubt: #14
• Raekwon- Only Built For Cuban Linx: #15
• Ice Cube- Amerikkka's Most Wanted: #19
• OutKast- ATLiens: #20
• Notorious B.I.G.- Ready to Die: #21
• De La Soul- De La Soul Is Dead: #29
• KRS One- Return Of the Boom Bap: #31
• Geto Boys- Grip It! On That Other Level: #35 (Geto Boys re-release, never heard OG don't think)
• Mobb Deep- The Infamous: #36
• Ice Cube- Death Certificate: #51
• Boogie Down Productions- Criminal Minded: #61
• A Tribe Called Quest- Midnight Marauders: #63
• The Roots- Do You Want More?: #66
• Public Enemy- Fear Of a Black Planet: #67
• The Pharcyde- Bizzare Ride...II Pharcyde: #75
• Snoop Doggy Dogg- Doggystyle: #71
• Dr.Dre- The Chronic: #78
• Above the Law- Livin' Like Hustlers: #99



• Ol'Dirty Bastard- Return to the 36 Chambers: #114
• Black Moon- Enta Da Stage: #116
• Eric B. & Rakim- Paid in Full: #125
• Gang Starr- Step In The Arena: #132
• Beastie Boys- Paul's Boutique: #142
• Big Daddy Kane- Long Live the Cane: #151
• Redman- Whut Thee Album: #153 (amazing this was the only Redman album, others are Top 30)
• Tupac- Me Against The World: #155
• LL Cool J- Bigger and Deffer: #163
• Boogie Down Productions- By All Means Necessary: #165
• Beastie Boys- License to Ill: #171
• D.O.C.- No One Can Do It Better: #174
• Gang Starr- Daily Operation: #179
• Pete Rock & CL Smooth- Mecca and the Soul Brother: #186
• Notorious B.I.G.- Life After Death: #190
• Digable Planets- Reachin'...: #196
• Smif N Wessun- Da Shinin': #210
• Common Sense- Resurrection: #215
• NWA- Straight Outta Compton: #228
• Black Sheep- A Wolf in Sheep's Clothing: #246
• Public Enemy- Yo! Bum Rush the Show: #271
• EPMD- Strictly Business: #275
• A Tribe Called Quest- People's Instinctive Travels and the Paths of Rhythm: #301
• EPMD- Unfinished Business: #316
• Eric B. & Rakim- Let the Rythm Hit'Em: #326 (see Diamond D)
• Eric B. & Rakim- Follow the Leader: #332 (see Diamond D)
• Cypress Hill- Cypress Hill: #399
• Diamond D- Stunts,Blunts and Hip-Hop: #419 (this one is old, book was much smaller and stricter, needs revision bad)
• De La Soul- Three Feet High and Rising: #539
• Stestasonic- On Fire: #611
• Onyx- Bacdafucup: #639





• Big Daddy Kane- It's a Big Daddy Thing: Unreviewed
• Biz Markie- Goin' Off: Unreviewed
• Bone Thugs-N-Harmony- Creepin' On Ah Come Up (EP): Unreviewed
• Brand Nubian- All For One: Unreviewed
• Chill Rob G- Ride the Rhythm: Unreviewed
• Cypress Hill- Black Sunday: Unreviewed, surprisingly
• Das EFX- Dead Serious: Unreviewed
• Digital Underground- Sex Packets: Unreviewed
• DJ Quik - Quik Is the Name: Unreviewed, surprisingly
• Doug E. Fresh- World's Greatest Entertainer: Unreviewed
• EPMD- Business as Usual: Unreviewed
• Fugees- The Score: Unreviewed
• Heavy D & The Boyz- Livin' Large: Unreviewed
• Ice T- Original Gangster: Unreviewed
• Jazzy Jeff & the Fresh Prince- He's the DJ, I'm The Rapper: Unreviewed
• Jungle Brothers- Straight Out The Jungle: Unreviewed
• Jungle Brothers- Forces Of Nature: Unreviewed
• Just Ice- Kool and Deadly: Unreviewed
• Kool G Rap & DJ Polo- Road To Riches: Unreviewed, surprisingly
• LL Cool J- Radio: Unreviewed, surprisingly
• LL Cool J- Mama Said Knock You Out: Unreviewed, surprisingly
• Lord Finesse- Funky Technician: Unreviewed, surprisingly
• Main Source- Breakin' Atoms: Unreviewed:
• MC Lyte- Lyte as a Rock: Unreviewed
• MC Shan- Down By Law: Unreviewed
• Naughty By Nature- Naughty By Nature: Unreviewed, surprisingly
• Nice & Smooth- Nice & Smooth: Unreviewed
• Poor Righteous Teachers- Holly Intellect: Unreviewed
• Queen Latifah- All Hail the Queen: Unreviewed
• Run DMC- Run DMC: Unreviewed:
• Run DMC- Raising Hell: Unreviewed, surprisingly
• Salt N Pepa- Hot, Cool and Viscious: Unreviewed
• Scarface- Mr. Scarface is Back: Unreviewed, surprisingly
• Schooly D- Saturday Night: the Album: Unreviewed
• Slick Rick- The Great Advantures Of Slick Rick: Unreviewed
• Souls Of Mischief- 93 Till' Infinity: Unreviewed
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10. "RE: Does this look out of place to anyone else?"
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>• Bone Thugs-N-Harmony- Creepin' On Ah Come Up (EP)

I remember seeing it in there at the time and thinking the same thing.

What an odd choice.

The Above the Law pick was questionable, too. Obviously.

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11. "that ATL album is crack rock! what are you talking about?"
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12. "LIVIN' LIKE HUSTLERS is a classic."
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Some of Dre's best back-in-the-day production. This and the D.O.C.'s NO ONE CAN DO IT BETTER were nearly as good as the NWA albums.

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19. "NCDIB is better production wise than any Dre-helmed album"
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including The Chronic

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16. "Yeah, that Above The Law record deserves to be up there. n/m"
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21. "have you ever heard that record?"
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no snark I really wanna know

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22. "RE: It's been at least fifteen years."
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I remember it being very mediocre.

Not saying I can't be wrong. That's just what I remember.

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13. "only one Pac record?! ridiculous"
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me against the world is a no brainer
but all eyez on me is too
& IMO the don killuminati album too


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15. "not really, since he never made a classic album in his lifetime"
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and his legend hadn't been able to overcome that in '98.

Now they'd be putting Are You Still Down? in there likely.

  

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17. "dude foh w/ your anti Pac bias."
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by ANY measure...ANY measure...

AEOM
MATW
^^^^ CLASSICS!

and a good argument could be made for the don killuminati album

you want hits? they had em
impact? got it.
superstar rapper? got it.
production? got it.

etc

your argument holds zero weight similar to how you do when you try to bench press the bar @ the gym


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18. "he NEVER had incredible production top to bottom on an album"
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but you also gotta understand this list was compiled in 1997
now if you ask me Mak is 1oo times the album AEOM is so I'm not mad at it not being on the list

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20. "I actually love Pac, I'm just not a sycophant & nope to all that bullshi..."
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34. "Don Killiuminati was classic as hell"
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the others were very very very good, even his early street records.

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doesn't get more love

from Pac fans AND hip hop fans alike.

For me, itd be MATW, Makeveli, Strictly...


  

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36. "for a long time it was the only Pac album I was that into"
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it wasn't until a couple years ago that I started not only appreciating his other albums but having an urge to listen to them as well. I knew the singles obviously but as far as albums I only really listened to Strictly.


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23. "Too Short has at least 4 albums better than Born To Mack"
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it's like they just chose all the first albums from the west coast artists and the most east coast sounding albums from the south.

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37. "I mean, how else you justify Scarface is Back but NO Diary?"
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Scarface Is Back definitely has every right to try and claim a spot on this here collection of thrones but, without its brother in arms by its side? CMON SON


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39. "Yep Diary Should Be On There"
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β€œSo back we go to these questions β€” friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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26. "the jungle brothers got more albums on this shit then tupac."
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LOL!

cmon


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35. "those first two Jungle records are classics"
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what in the hell are you talking about?

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27. "this is hard"
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I end up removing a lot of late 80's stuff that I didn't personally bang.

  

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30. "Okay, some thoughts off the top."
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>Do you agree with the list? If not, what albums would you
>replace on this list and what are the albums you'd replace
>them with? The omission of Hard to Earn,
>Southernplayalistic... and IWW has me scratching my head but i
>don't know what i'd remove from the list to make room at the
>moment.

I'd cut these:


>• Big Daddy Kane- It's a Big Daddy Thing

Has some of Kane's best stuff on it, but man does side two drag at times. "To Be Your Man" is one of the worst songs ever.

>• Black Moon- Enta Da Stage

Yeah, blasphemy, I know. But the lyrics sound pretty elementary now. Young and hyped Buckshot<<<<<<<<Buckshot on the "I Got Cha Opin" and "Buck 'Em Down" remixes. "Who Got the Props" and "How Many MCs" are still dope though...

>• Bone Thugs-N-Harmony- Creepin' On Ah Come Up (EP)

I feel weird including EPs. Besides, the E. 1999 album was better, and even that probably shouldn't be included. This was probably put on the last to fill a regional quota.

>• Doug E. Fresh- World's Greatest Entertainer

Some really great tracks, but enough lackluster ones to prevent it from making the list.

>• Gang Starr- Daily Operation

Yeah, I'm the asshole who doesn't feel that "Daily Operation" is a classic. Never have. It's my lot in life. Regardless, "Hard to Earn" was better. That should have made the list.

>Heavy D - Livin Large

"Peaceful Journey" was better and could've possibly made the list.

>• Ice T- Original Gangster

"Power" was better and should've made the list.

>• MC Shan- Down By Law

Never been a fan of dude.

>• Nice & Smooth- Nice & Smooth

"Ain't a Damn Thing Changed" was better and should have made the list.

>• Notorious B.I.G.- Life After Death

Never been a fan of this album. Like it more now than I did then, but I still think it was bloated as a double album.

>• Salt N Pepa- Hot, Cool and Viscious

Haven't heard this album in years, and I hear it's actually good. But nah man, I've never really liked them.

>• Spice 1- Spice 1

"187 He Wrote" was better. Dunno if I would've put that on the list.

>• Tupac- Me Against The World

Never understood the love for this album. Both his first two were better. I could seen either of those on the list.

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31. "At least you acknowledge your blasphemy :)"
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>>• Black Moon- Enta Da Stage
>
>Yeah, blasphemy, I know. But the lyrics sound pretty
>elementary now. Young and hyped Buckshot<<<<<<<<Buckshot on
>the "I Got Cha Opin" and "Buck 'Em Down" remixes. "Who Got the
>Props" and "How Many MCs" are still dope though...


I know this'll sound oh so convenient, but I was listening to this earlier today lol. Still classic to me. It'll be interesting if I'll ever budge on this since this album gets the "dated" tag a lot from people with otherwise similar taste in early/mid-90's hip-hop as me.


>>• Gang Starr- Daily Operation
>
>Yeah, I'm the asshole who doesn't feel that "Daily Operation"
>is a classic. Never have. It's my lot in life. Regardless,
>"Hard to Earn" was better. That should have made the list.

I'd have albums 2 thru 4 on there.

>>• Tupac- Me Against The World
>
>Never understood the love for this album. Both his first two
>were better. I could seen either of those on the list.

Sometimes I feel self conscious saying this is my favorite Pac album since people like me always seem to tab this as his best/closest to classic album lol, but I'm still sticking with it.
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32. "I had this issue I remember"
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7 day theory was listed under makaveli
And southernplayastic being on there too

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40. "Is there a website that has "the canon" for hip hop, start to present?"
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I'm really interested in that 92-98 stretch of 12"s that are "must haves"

  

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