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"Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock & Roll HOF Is Still Great"


  

          

One of those clips (like 'Malice at the Palace' for different reasons) that I have to watch once a year or so nearly ten years later & am always glad I did.

I think at the time it happened there was folks on OKP claiming it was showy/he-made-it-about-himself or some other such nonsense but fuck that.

The end result was probably still the most iconic performance moment in the history of that somewhat stodgy affair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoR6YQ1V8ks

Love when The Midget gets a high-profile look (Super Bowl being another example) where he can remind the Boomer rock-critic establishment that he can do all the shit their heroes can do even when he's just visiting in that realm.

Kinda reminds me of that interview he did in RS around Graffitti Bridge (first big interview since probably '85) where his comment on the Grammy's (well, along with him saying in the same interview that he only listens to his own music which unfortunately might have been the case to some degree by then) stuck out to me:

"I don't go to awards shows anymore," he says. "I'm not saying I'm better than anybody else. But you'll be sitting there at the Grammys, and U2 will beat you. And you say to yourself, 'Wait a minute. I can play that kind of music, too. I played La Crosse growing up, I *know* how to do that, you dig? But *you* will not do 'Housequake.'"

Full article here: http://princetext.tripod.com/i_stone90.html

^^^It's funny people forget how critically acclaimed Graffitti Bridge was as an album prior to the movie coming out & bombing. But I distinctly remember that album getting 4.5 stars in Rolling Stone & being compared favorably to Sign O' The Times in other publications.

Tom Petty looks salty as fuck in this performance once Prince hijacks it which makes it that much funnier because I feel like P starts to sense it & just goes further into his own thing.

You also see Petty give a wave to the band at the very end, I think Winwood was ready to jam on keys but Petty knew he might solo for another five minutes.

Meanwhile Danhi Harrison (who seems as well adjusted as the son of a Beatle could be as far as I can tell, he's likely the one who requested Prince) is just cheesing his ass off watching it.

I honestly don't even remember what Prince played on his own induction part of the show at this point, I'm not sure it really even matters.

  

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RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock & Roll HOF Is Still Gre...
Jan 21st 2012
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that was me.
Jan 21st 2012
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RE: that was me.
Jan 21st 2012
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      pretty much, Clapton could have been up there & you would not
Jan 22nd 2012
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I still love it.
Jan 21st 2012
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I thought that guitar ascended to Heaven.....
Jan 21st 2012
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I keep that clip on my phone
Jan 21st 2012
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Cosign, classic shit
Jan 21st 2012
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wow that was crazy
Jan 21st 2012
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he murdered it
Jan 22nd 2012
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One of His Best Guitar Solos Along With The Undertaker's "Bambi",,,
Jan 22nd 2012
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RE: One of His Best Guitar Solos Along With The Undertaker's "Bambi",,,
Jan 22nd 2012
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      I Agree,,,,
Jan 22nd 2012
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Better quality:
Jan 22nd 2012
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RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock & Roll HOF Is Still Gre...
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RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock & Roll HOF Is Still Gre...
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RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock & Roll HOF Is Still Gre...
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      RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock & Roll HOF Is S...
Jan 22nd 2012
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           RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock & Roll HOF Is Still...
Jan 22nd 2012
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           Who, by name, are these white bands ?
Jan 23rd 2012
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I still don't feel that solo much at all
Jan 22nd 2012
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RE: I still don't feel that solo much at all
Jan 22nd 2012
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http://farm1.staticflickr.com/46/134149527_811ef25b13.jpg
Jan 22nd 2012
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RE: http://farm1.staticflickr.com/46/134149527_811ef25b13.jpg
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      You may, just may, have missed the irony
Jan 22nd 2012
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           RE: You may, just may, have missed the irony
Jan 22nd 2012
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                Uh huh
Jan 22nd 2012
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RE: I still don't feel that solo much at all
Jan 22nd 2012
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RE: I still don't feel that solo much at all
Jan 22nd 2012
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      RE: I still don't feel that solo much at all
Jan 22nd 2012
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      You don't deserve it, but here's a serious reply
Jan 22nd 2012
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           RE: You don't deserve it, but here's a serious reply
Jan 22nd 2012
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           LOL!!!
Jan 22nd 2012
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           RE: You don't deserve it, but here's a serious reply
Jan 22nd 2012
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           RE: You don't deserve it, but here's a serious reply
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      RE: I still don't feel that solo much at all
Jan 22nd 2012
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I hear Dangelo is the next Frank Zappa though!
Jan 22nd 2012
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RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock & Roll HOF Is Still Gre...
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RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock & Roll HOF Is Still Gre...
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RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock & Roll HOF Is S...
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      RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock & Roll HOF Is S...
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please go play on the tracks.
Jan 23rd 2012
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RE: I'd like to arrange a UFC-style bout.
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I always enjoy watching this
Jan 22nd 2012
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Not sure he can do everything their heroes can do...
Jan 22nd 2012
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Nordic people are the whitest of whites
Jan 22nd 2012
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LOL, I'm actually not viking-white...
Jan 22nd 2012
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      Still racist, though!
Jan 22nd 2012
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           It's mostly guys like Sting, Jagger, Clapton etc.
Jan 22nd 2012
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           true...
Jan 22nd 2012
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                A lot of his stuff qualifies as 80's pop-rock IMO...
Jan 22nd 2012
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                     yeah, I'm with you there. All of it! nm
Jan 22nd 2012
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                     U Guys Heard "The Undertaker" Album? If So,,,,
Jan 22nd 2012
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                          no...
Jan 22nd 2012
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                          just checked some clips on YouTube
Jan 22nd 2012
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                          RE: U Guys Heard "The Undertaker" Album? If So,,,,
Jan 22nd 2012
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           this is all recycled...
Jan 23rd 2012
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                I don't really like Prince's lead guitar playing much, though.
Jan 23rd 2012
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RE: Not sure he can do everything their heroes can do...
Jan 22nd 2012
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Oh I agree I don't go to P for straight-up 'rock' the way we're talking
Jan 22nd 2012
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RE: Oh I agree I don't go to P for straight-up 'rock' the way we're talk...
Jan 22nd 2012
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      you might be right, I don't know either well enough to say
Jan 22nd 2012
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Is Lenny a rocker?
Jan 22nd 2012
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yes, most of the time
Jan 22nd 2012
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      Didn't say they were.
Jan 22nd 2012
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           Of course he does
Jan 22nd 2012
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my guitar gently weeps isn't exactly a pure rock song ...
Jan 23rd 2012
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?
Jan 23rd 2012
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my favorite rock song of prince is easily 'the cross'.
Jan 23rd 2012
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that shit was coooooLd
Jan 22nd 2012
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yeah..great performance....
Jan 23rd 2012
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agreed, I think George would have enjoyed it like Dhani did up there
Jan 23rd 2012
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He actually got better with age
Jan 23rd 2012
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It's one of Prince's worst solos
Jan 23rd 2012
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RE: He actually got better with age
Jan 23rd 2012
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yes. even though this wasn't his best.
Jan 23rd 2012
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he overplays
Jan 23rd 2012
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"just my imagination" solo is the best...
Jan 23rd 2012
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Small Club 88 one? If so, I agree. He & Shiela lock in there
Jan 23rd 2012
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everybody in this post is correct (execpt the guy that is race baiting).
Jan 23rd 2012
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re: gently weeping solo
Jan 23rd 2012
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      Or maybe celebrating George's life, by playing a lively guitar solo ?
Jan 23rd 2012
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           A lively solo is one thing.
Jan 23rd 2012
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                it was his night too, that was the closer. Bono makes every speech
Jan 23rd 2012
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                I've been critical of Bono too, for the record.
Jan 23rd 2012
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                     JAH-MAK-UNNN!(c)The Fly
Jan 23rd 2012
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                it WAS about him.
Jan 23rd 2012
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                     ok.
Jan 23rd 2012
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For me personally, what comes across from Prince's guitar playing
Jan 23rd 2012
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I'm still amazed people actually get upset over this topic
Jan 23rd 2012
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real talk.
Jan 23rd 2012
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the hate that hate created.
Jan 23rd 2012
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agreed.
Jan 23rd 2012
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RE: the hate that hate created.
Jan 23rd 2012
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Possibly because ignorant people think it's an amazing solo
Jan 23rd 2012
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      ah yes, please expound on it with that well-refined taste of yours
Jan 23rd 2012
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      *blink*
Jan 23rd 2012
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           lmao, check the location
Jan 23rd 2012
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murph71
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1. "RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock & Roll HOF Is Still Gre..."
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Listen to the man^^^^^^

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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2. "that was me."
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>I think at the time it happened there was folks on OKP
>claiming it was showy/he-made-it-about-himself or some other
>such nonsense but fuck that.

And I still think so.

Great performance. But there's a time and place.

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5. "RE: that was me."
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>>I think at the time it happened there was folks on OKP
>>claiming it was showy/he-made-it-about-himself or some other
>>such nonsense but fuck that.
>
>And I still think so.
>
>Great performance. But there's a time and place.


i agree but felt it was fine since he was also being inducted that night,

i mean if you are going to invite him to play and solo with you you gotta let him do what he do.

dude

  

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44. "pretty much, Clapton could have been up there & you would not"
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even remember Harrison's induction.

P gave it a moment but you still remember what song & therefore the author.

Clapton's been so techinally/tonally good but restrained & boring for the past couple decades, plus he stole Harrison's wife despite being his best friend so he can sit his ass down anyway.

  

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3. "I still love it."
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Especially the toss @ the end.

fuck you.

  

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4. "I thought that guitar ascended to Heaven....."
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lol. The camera zoomed out and still couldn't track the guitar.
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6. "I keep that clip on my phone"
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Prince murked that solo. Nobody could say shit. Clapton was probably somewhere cheesing like shit.

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7. "Cosign, classic shit"
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_________________________________________________________________________
A TOM CROOZE PRODUCTION.

  

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8. "wow that was crazy"
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10. "he murdered it"
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then tossed his weapon in the air and let God catch it

i love that clip
and i disagree, i think tom petty eventually comes around and acknowledges how ridic it is

despite prince leaning back onto the bodyguard and sticking his tongue out all in tom's face

"like, the roots are so rad."
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11. "One of His Best Guitar Solos Along With The Undertaker's "Bambi",,,"
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I don't think any of the folks on stage were indignant about his performance, they expected him to be his flamboyant self(even though he wasn't that flamboyant).

It was the fans that were up in arms(Tom Petty's, Harrison's and Prince') mostly because he walked out on the performance before it was finished.

  

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12. "RE: One of His Best Guitar Solos Along With The Undertaker's "Bambi",,,"
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Yeah I never got the impression that Tom and the boys were mad
They seemed to be in awe
I think the reason he took it to the stratosphere was based on rolling stone totally not acknowledging him in the greatest guitarists article that dropped around that time
He had an ax to grind and proved he deserved to be on that list
One of his best tv performances ever
The only one that trumps that for me is the 85 grammys

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13. "I Agree,,,,"
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>Yeah I never got the impression that Tom and the boys were
>mad
>They seemed to be in awe
>I think the reason he took it to the stratosphere was based on
>rolling stone totally not acknowledging him in the greatest
>guitarists article that dropped around that time
>He had an ax to grind and proved he deserved to be on that
>list
>One of his best tv performances ever
>The only one that trumps that for me is the 85 grammys

He really seems to be showing out whenever he feels like he's in an underdog situation. I seem to remember him in Tavis in recent years talking about Rolling Stones not giving him a feature, he then went about that he thinks "he's great" without the validations of other music writers, something to that effect, I know somebody's familiar with that interview.

It was the 1st time I heard Prince show his fear of losing critics/press accolades, he put up a good front of having a Miles Davis facade for so long.

  

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_2tSGxGnJQ&feature=related

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15. "RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock & Roll HOF Is Still Gre..."
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MY FAVORITE GUITAR SOLO EVER...........Prince blew their asses out of the water.....

  

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Strangeways
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16. "RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock & Roll HOF Is Still Gre..."
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I watched Prince's induction the same night that it came on vh1. I sent the rock n roll hall of fame a letter back in 2003 trying to persuade them to induct Prince because his induction was way overdue and in december of 2003...I saw a article online saying that they were finally going to induct him. In the beginning of the induction ceremony, Prince played Signs o the times with some snippets of soul man that went into kiss and alicia keys & outkast did the induction speech.

  

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17. "RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock & Roll HOF Is Still Gre..."
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>I watched Prince's induction the same night that it came on
>vh1. I sent the rock n roll hall of fame a letter back in 2003
>trying to persuade them to induct Prince because his induction
>was way overdue and in december of 2003...I saw a article
>online saying that they were finally going to induct him. In
>the beginning of the induction ceremony, Prince played Signs o
>the times with some snippets of soul man that went into kiss
>and alicia keys & outkast did the induction speech.


Just to clarify, Prince's induction wasn't over due as you are only eligible 25 years after your first release which means that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inducted Prince into their hall in his first year of eligibility.

His performance on While My Guitar... lit the internet on fire - it was nice to see all those guitar-heads giving Prince respect for his work on the axe. The guy really is far more than I think many of his fans even know - what Prince does on guitar on a lot of his records is freaky as shit!

Here's the audio from Coachella for his performance of Little Red Corvette. The man destroys the axe here - so much melody complimented by so much skill = a scary guitar player.

http://soundcloud.com/1stavenue/prince-little-red-corvette-live-coachella-2008

He tears it up here!!

http://www.soundcloud.com/jaydeep-bhadra

  

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18. "RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock &amp;amp; Roll HOF Is S..."
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if that is the case regarding the induction process, then why were a lot of white bands inducted way before Prince especially when they first came out after Prince.....

http://news.yahoo.com/rock-roll-hall-fame-becoming-racist-170700082.html

  

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19. "RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock &amp; Roll HOF Is Still..."
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>if that is the case regarding the induction process, then why
>were a lot of white bands inducted way before Prince
>especially when they came out after Prince.....
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/rock-roll-hall-fame-becoming-racist-170700082.html

Hey man,

Just read the article - thanks for sharing.

Just curious though, where in the article does it state or imply that there were bands/performers that came out after Prince but were inducted before him?

Not sure if I just missed it or not.

Let me know when you get a moment.

J

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76. "Who, by name, are these white bands ?"
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Because I don't see them in that article.


>if that is the case regarding the induction process, then why
>were a lot of white bands inducted way before Prince
>especially when they first came out after Prince.....
>
>http://news.yahoo.com/rock-roll-hall-fame-becoming-racist-170700082.html





What the blood claaat ???

  

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20. "I still don't feel that solo much at all"
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I think what makes it work is the moment - Prince stepping out in his outfit in front of a bunch of establishment white guys and just playing until his fingers catch on fire. Very much a "look, I can do THIS" thing, and for that aspect alone it's fun as hell to watch.

As a piece of music though, it does almost nothing for me except for the first 30 seconds and then a few bits later on. It doesn't "tell a story" in guitar solo parlance - doesn't build or climax, hits full wank mode with the sixteenth note hammer-on stuff only 30 seconds in, and after that it mostly feels like a technique display. And it's an impressive one, but let's be real, there are other guys that can do that, and more of them than you'd think. What I expect out of Prince as a musician - the soul, the controlled minimalism dotted with explosions of sound that take your breath away, the superb and quirky grasp of melody (that sometimes just pokes its head up for a few moments per verse on his funkier numbers, but other times generated some of the biggest hit songs of my youth) - it's mostly absent here, after a pretty solid beginning. It's a dude rummaging all over the neck finding different ways to freak a pentatonic scale (with a few modal highlights here and there - wish there were more of them).

Truthfully I always thought Prince was at his weakest as a guitarist. Not technique-wise, but just for producing music that blows me away. He can obviously shred, but if I might steal a popular OKP comparison, he's more singing than sangin'. One of his obvious models, Jimi, knew how to do both, and his solos were works of art. Prince's solos, I somehow never feel them like that.

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21. "RE: I still don't feel that solo much at all"
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u have no soul whatsoever....


>I think what makes it work is the moment - Prince stepping
>out in his outfit in front of a bunch of establishment white
>guys and just playing until his fingers catch on fire. Very
>much a "look, I can do THIS" thing, and for that aspect alone
>it's fun as hell to watch.
>
>As a piece of music though, it does almost nothing for me
>except for the first 30 seconds and then a few bits later on.
>It doesn't "tell a story" in guitar solo parlance - doesn't
>build or climax, hits full wank mode with the sixteenth note
>hammer-on stuff only 30 seconds in, and after that it mostly
>feels like a technique display. And it's an impressive one,
>but let's be real, there are other guys that can do that, and
>more of them than you'd think. What I expect out of Prince as
>a musician - the soul, the controlled minimalism dotted with
>explosions of sound that take your breath away, the superb and
>quirky grasp of melody (that sometimes just pokes its head up
>for a few moments per verse on his funkier numbers, but other
>times generated some of the biggest hit songs of my youth) -
>it's mostly absent here, after a pretty solid beginning. It's
>a dude rummaging all over the neck finding different ways to
>freak a pentatonic scale (with a few modal highlights here and
>there - wish there were more of them).
>
>Truthfully I always thought Prince was at his weakest as a
>guitarist. Not technique-wise, but just for producing music
>that blows me away. He can obviously shred, but if I might
>steal a popular OKP comparison, he's more singing than
>sangin'. One of his obvious models, Jimi, knew how to do
>both, and his solos were works of art. Prince's solos, I
>somehow never feel them like that.

  

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23. "http://farm1.staticflickr.com/46/134149527_811ef25b13.jpg"
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http://farm1.staticflickr.com/46/134149527_811ef25b13.jpg

You just JELLY!!!! and RACIS'!!!!


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25. "RE: http://farm1.staticflickr.com/46/134149527_811ef25b13.jpg"
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co-sign.........

  

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27. "You may, just may, have missed the irony"
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Or I'm inventing irony that wasn't there. Either way, I had a good laugh.

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31. "RE: You may, just may, have missed the irony"
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you are inventing irony.....you are playing it off because you know you are a RACIST......

  

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32. "Uh huh"
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Been good talking to you

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24. "RE: I still don't feel that solo much at all"
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yeah....you are a fucking racist....

>I think what makes it work is the moment - Prince stepping
>out in his outfit in front of a bunch of establishment white
>guys and just playing until his fingers catch on fire. Very
>much a "look, I can do THIS" thing, and for that aspect alone
>it's fun as hell to watch.
>
>As a piece of music though, it does almost nothing for me
>except for the first 30 seconds and then a few bits later on.
>It doesn't "tell a story" in guitar solo parlance - doesn't
>build or climax, hits full wank mode with the sixteenth note
>hammer-on stuff only 30 seconds in, and after that it mostly
>feels like a technique display. And it's an impressive one,
>but let's be real, there are other guys that can do that, and
>more of them than you'd think. What I expect out of Prince as
>a musician - the soul, the controlled minimalism dotted with
>explosions of sound that take your breath away, the superb and
>quirky grasp of melody (that sometimes just pokes its head up
>for a few moments per verse on his funkier numbers, but other
>times generated some of the biggest hit songs of my youth) -
>it's mostly absent here, after a pretty solid beginning. It's
>a dude rummaging all over the neck finding different ways to
>freak a pentatonic scale (with a few modal highlights here and
>there - wish there were more of them).
>
>Truthfully I always thought Prince was at his weakest as a
>guitarist. Not technique-wise, but just for producing music
>that blows me away. He can obviously shred, but if I might
>steal a popular OKP comparison, he's more singing than
>sangin'. One of his obvious models, Jimi, knew how to do
>both, and his solos were works of art. Prince's solos, I
>somehow never feel them like that.

  

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26. "RE: I still don't feel that solo much at all"
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>yeah....you are a fucking racist....

You have no, as in zero, reading comprehension. Maybe you didn't notice I spent almost half that post praising Prince's music and Jimi's as well. By the way, Jimi is my favorite guitar player ever, and it's specifically because the man injects soul into every note he plays.

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28. "RE: I still don't feel that solo much at all"
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no....you have no reading comprehension....redneck Racist.

http://farm1.staticflickr.com/46/134149527_811ef25b13.jpg

You just JELLY!!!! and RACIS'!!!!





>>yeah....you are a fucking racist....
>
>You have no, as in zero, reading comprehension. Maybe you
>didn't notice I spent almost half that post praising Prince's
>music and Jimi's as well. By the way, Jimi is my favorite
>guitar player ever, and it's specifically because the man
>injects soul into every note he plays.

  

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30. "You don't deserve it, but here's a serious reply"
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You're doing this forum a disservice by trying to shut down discussion that way. There's a whole lot of white people that post here because they love listening to and talking about black music (meaning: music that is either played by black musicians, or genres of music that came out of black culture, or both - usually both). If we're not allowed to have dissenting opinions on black musicians SIMPLY BECAUSE WE'RE WHITE, then honestly we may as well walk the fuck out right now. And I know you wouldn't particularly miss me (even though you don't know me from Adam). But personally, I feel this forum is dead enough as it is, and overrun enough with the same tired shit (did we determine if Nas lost yet? No? Maybe another Odd Future thread, or is that too 2011?), that we shouldn't be chasing away any people that love music and want to talk about it in depth.

Yeah I'm a white guy. But the majority of the music I listen to is played by black musicians, and I have no trouble acknowledging a lot of genres as fundamentally black art forms. I know where rock 'n roll came from. I don't really even listen to much classic rock, but if I do it's about as likely to be Jimi as the Stones. Personally though, most days I'd rather listen to hip hop, dancehall, or jazz. Almost every musician I obsess over is black. So why am I a racist just because I don't think Prince is all that amazing on guitar specifically - never mind that I own like ten of his albums and love his songs? I mean really. All you see is that I don't love one solo he played and that's it, conversation over, I'm obviously a racist. GTFOWTBS.

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33. "RE: You don't deserve it, but here's a serious reply"
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dude....there are bunch of white bands that I like.....I am a huge KISS fan and I really liked the red hot chili peppers californication record and I recently liked some of grand funk railroad's flight to phoenix lp.

  

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36. "LOL!!!"
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>and I recently liked some of grand funk
>railroad's flight to phoenix lp.

I suspect your'e an alias...

  

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34. "RE: You don't deserve it, but here's a serious reply"
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my username strangeways comes from a KISS song from their 1974 album "hotter than hell". one of my favorite guitar solos.

  

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55. "RE: You don't deserve it, but here's a serious reply"
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Dale,

Don't bother... it's a waste of time.

Your assessment of that Prince guitar solo is very close to my own - it's a whole bunch of Prince being Prince in showoff mode.

As far as his guitar playing is concerned, his rhythm work is where it's at - whether it's rock or rnb or funk rhythm. This is why he's a monster in my mind.

By the way, some of these fools are a bit insecure of who they are and as a result, they'll attempt to bully you here on the internet. You just gotta not dignify what they're saying and move on.

J

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29. "RE: I still don't feel that solo much at all"
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and that is not praising. if you toke the time to read your own fucking post, you would know that. RACIST.........


Truthfully I always thought Prince was at his weakest as a
>guitarist. Not technique-wise, but just for producing music
>that blows me away. He can obviously shred, but if I might
>steal a popular OKP comparison, he's more singing than
>sangin'. One of his obvious models, Jimi, knew how to do
>both, and his solos were works of art. Prince's solos, I
>somehow never feel them like that.



>>yeah....you are a fucking racist....
>
>You have no, as in zero, reading comprehension. Maybe you
>didn't notice I spent almost half that post praising Prince's
>music and Jimi's as well. By the way, Jimi is my favorite
>guitar player ever, and it's specifically because the man
>injects soul into every note he plays.

  

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54. "I hear Dangelo is the next Frank Zappa though!"
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Yet in the same breath you applaud Jimi's obvious calculated often over celebrated wanking moments.

>I think what makes it work is the moment - Prince stepping
>out in his outfit in front of a bunch of establishment white
>guys and just playing until his fingers catch on fire. Very
>much a "look, I can do THIS" thing, and for that aspect alone
>it's fun as hell to watch.
>
>As a piece of music though, it does almost nothing for me
>except for the first 30 seconds and then a few bits later on.
>It doesn't "tell a story" in guitar solo parlance - doesn't
>build or climax, hits full wank mode with the sixteenth note
>hammer-on stuff only 30 seconds in, and after that it mostly
>feels like a technique display. And it's an impressive one,
>but let's be real, there are other guys that can do that, and
>more of them than you'd think. What I expect out of Prince as
>a musician - the soul, the controlled minimalism dotted with
>explosions of sound that take your breath away, the superb and
>quirky grasp of melody (that sometimes just pokes its head up
>for a few moments per verse on his funkier numbers, but other
>times generated some of the biggest hit songs of my youth) -
>it's mostly absent here, after a pretty solid beginning. It's
>a dude rummaging all over the neck finding different ways to
>freak a pentatonic scale (with a few modal highlights here and
>there - wish there were more of them).
>
>Truthfully I always thought Prince was at his weakest as a
>guitarist. Not technique-wise, but just for producing music
>that blows me away. He can obviously shred, but if I might
>steal a popular OKP comparison, he's more singing than
>sangin'. One of his obvious models, Jimi, knew how to do
>both, and his solos were works of art. Prince's solos, I
>somehow never feel them like that.

  

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22. "RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock & Roll HOF Is Still Gre..."
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some white people deny this guitar solo performance because they are bias and straight up racist.........

  

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56. "RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock & Roll HOF Is Still Gre..."
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>some white people deny this guitar solo performance because
>they are bias and straight up racist.........


Loads of people think like you do and are more accurately referred to as shitheads.

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96. "RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock &amp;amp; Roll HOF Is S..."
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I said some white people not all...and for you to try to fight someone elses battles instead of minding your own buisness says that you are a SHITHEAD....STUPID FOOL.


>>some white people deny this guitar solo performance because
>>they are bias and straight up racist.........
>
>
>Loads of people think like you do and are more accurately
>referred to as shitheads.

  

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98. "RE: Man P on While My Guitar Gently Weeps @ Rock &amp;amp; Roll HOF Is S..."
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My business includes standing up against insecure internet nerds who attempt bully people like you...

By the way, you didn't answer my question or Pete Burns' question from earlier in this post although you made a ridiculous claim.

J

>I said some white people not all...and for you to try to
>fight someone elses battles instead of minding your own
>buisness says that you are a SHITHEAD....STUPID FOOL.
>
>
>>>some white people deny this guitar solo performance because
>>>they are bias and straight up racist.........
>>
>>
>>Loads of people think like you do and are more accurately
>>referred to as shitheads.
>

http://www.soundcloud.com/jaydeep-bhadra

  

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66. "please go play on the tracks."
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thank you!

  

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99. "RE: I'd like to arrange a UFC-style bout."
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This dude and Nodima.

I think, ultimately, "Strangeways" would be declared winner.

But they would both die in the fight, thankfully.

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.....
NEW PRINCE MIX : SHUT UP, ALREADY, JAM !!

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37. "Not sure he can do everything their heroes can do..."
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Wanking away on lead-guitar is one, actually writing a good rock-song is another. Outside of "Bambi" and "When you were mine" (that one is more power-pop/New Wave IMO but whatever), I was never impressed by Prince as a rocker. Of course, he doesn't need to make great rock-songs to be legendary but I think people over-estimate the rocker-aspect of Prince to make him be something he is not when it's perfectly enough to do great funk, R&B, soul-bakllads and quirky pop-songs. I guess I'm a redneck racist too for thinking this...

  

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38. "Nordic people are the whitest of whites"
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so yeah... your ass probably racist

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40. "LOL, I'm actually not viking-white..."
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...more like a euro-mixture. Basically, undeniably very white but not blonde/redhead/nordic-white...

  

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41. "Still racist, though!"
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>...more like a euro-mixture. Basically, undeniably very white
>but not blonde/redhead/nordic-white...

j/k

But yeah, I've always agreed with your assessment of Prince the rocker.... He's often overestimated, especially by people who are really not that much into rock themselves. So I feel you speak with some degree with authority being our resident hard rock connoisseur.


(of course, a lot of rock musicians *do* hold Prince in awe... but I always wonder whether they admire him in a general sense as a musician and showman or whether they really see him as occupying the same genre space as them)

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42. "It's mostly guys like Sting, Jagger, Clapton etc."
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It's sort of a different scene. However, there's a LOT of rock-musicians outside of the old fart stadium-scene who dig Prince but it's mostly his mucianship as well as his more funky stuff... Anyway, he's aways been something of a musicians musician which doesn't necessarily translate to the fans... Much of his crossover-success in the 80's was based on the climate and sound of 80's non-metal mainstream rock; after grunge hit, things of course became very different...

  

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45. "true..."
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I remember talking before about how I was shocked when Warrant revealed that Prince had tried to sign them but wanted Jani Lane to dance around like he (Prince) and they talked about how they respected Prince as a musician but felt he was not a particularly good guitarist.

Of course, it's hard to take comments like that too seriously because it's *Warrant* for God's sake, but it did make me think about whether more rock-intensive listeners heard Prince differently. Like, I've been a rock fan all my life, but at this point I'm too ensconced within the "Black music" that I probably cannot truly think like a hardcore head.

One thing I will say though is that I have never heard Prince's rock efforts and confused them for "real" rock... To me, it's more like an interesting pastiche of rock (and there is nothing at all wrong with that).

But I've long been more impressed with Prince's rhythm guitar playing than his lead.

You're right about the kind of "rock" musicians who revere Prince being the older, middle-of-the-road sort, but what about the likes of Dave Grohl? Did you see that video where he talks about playing with Prince and he is totally over the moon about it? You think that's more of him being a guy who grew up in the 80s?

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47. "A lot of his stuff qualifies as 80's pop-rock IMO..."
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Of course, things have changed but people called Eurythmics (after the synth-pop era) rock or Genesis or Sting or other guys like that. Anyway, songs like "Let's go crazy" or "U got the look" or the pompous shit that finish "Around the world in a day" or "Purple Rain" or "I would never take the place of your man" or "Play in the sunshine" etc. is stuff that's clearly not R&B IMO and fall much closer to rock in an 80's sense and it's also based on songs like that I dismiss Prince as a rocker.

As for Dave Grohl, I'm sure he's a big Prince-fan but I doubt he thinks Prince made great ROCK, I may be wrong though. As a *musician*, how can you not admire Prince, you know?

  

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48. "yeah, I'm with you there. All of it! nm"
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49. "U Guys Heard "The Undertaker" Album? If So,,,,"
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You still - don't - regard this as rock music?

But hey, I think ANY purist will have a hard time labeling Prince as anything, whether a rocker or a funketeer.

  

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50. "no..."
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I'm reading about it now and based on the musicians involved, I suspect it will sound like some early 90's funky rock which is not my thing but I can't comment...

  

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51. "just checked some clips on YouTube"
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yeah... like Jakob said, it's more like funky blues-rock

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57. "RE: U Guys Heard "The Undertaker" Album? If So,,,,"
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>You still - don't - regard this as rock music?
>
>But hey, I think ANY purist will have a hard time labeling
>Prince as anything, whether a rocker or a funketeer.


It's rock and roll... with a lot more rhythm and blues in it.

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71. "this is all recycled..."
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you're talking aesthetics again. just because he doesn't do "rock" the way some of your fave rockers do "rock" doesn't mean it's not geniune rock. i mean, by definition, it IS rock. as recently as 2010, a song like "dreamer" was nominated as a rock song. it's rock.

if prince were just a guitarist and your overall opinion of him didn't color your view of that single skill, you'd appreciate him that much more as a guitarist.

that's why dudes like vai, corgan, clapton, white, etc. can filter out prince the crooner, the dancer, the omni-sexual man-pixie and FOCUS on the guitar playing and say "oh, THAT guy is my favorite guitartist" (or one of their fave, because only calton and vai are on record as saying absolute "favorite")...because it's all they care about, dogg. just the guitar.

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73. "I don't really like Prince's lead guitar playing much, though."
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That's all there is to it.

I love his rhythm playing. I love his (early 80s) bass playing.

I can filter those from Prince the crooner, the dancer, etc.

His leads just come off kinda rote to me, including the HOF performance. The showmanship of it is awesome, but on a musical level? It's not speaking to me.

Your mileage may vary, though.

BTW I have never heard the likes of Clapton, Vai etc call Prince their favorite guitarist (or one of them)... You have links for that?

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39. "RE: Not sure he can do everything their heroes can do..."
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you must be a friend of dale cooper because I never called you a redneck racist. I called dale cooper a racist so you should fight your own battles instead of someone elses and taking up for him. I think that you are a casual fan.

  

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43. "Oh I agree I don't go to P for straight-up 'rock' the way we're talking"
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his 80s work basically is his best because he incorporates it into a unique hybrid (when he started moving into more pure r&b, funk facsimiles, or *shudder* hip-hop to kind of 'blacken' up his sound in the 90s is when he started losing steam).

I'm just saying that he can play in their playground in spots far better than any of the rockers could approach the vast assortment of other places he does.

That's what makes his little moments that surprise the 'rockists' so amusing to me.

  

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46. "RE: Oh I agree I don't go to P for straight-up 'rock' the way we're talk..."
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yep...by the way, Chaos and Disorder was a straight up rock record. ill even state that the lotusflower cd was straight up rock.

  

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60. "you might be right, I don't know either well enough to say"
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>yep...by the way, Chaos and Disorder was a straight up rock
>record. ill even state that the lotusflower cd was straight up
>rock.

  

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52. "Is Lenny a rocker?"
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>Wanking away on lead-guitar is one, actually writing a good
>rock-song is another. Outside of "Bambi" and "When you were
>mine" (that one is more power-pop/New Wave IMO but whatever),
>I was never impressed by Prince as a rocker. Of course, he
>doesn't need to make great rock-songs to be legendary but I
>think people over-estimate the rocker-aspect of Prince to make
>him be something he is not when it's perfectly enough to do
>great funk, R&B, soul-bakllads and quirky pop-songs. I guess
>I'm a redneck racist too for thinking this...

  

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53. "yes, most of the time"
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I don't really see the similarity.

  

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58. "Didn't say they were."
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On the same page Prince does many things that their heroes can't do either.

  

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59. "Of course he does"
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However, ever since I came on the Lesson, people have said that Prince can do everything including playing rock better than rock-musicians which I don't agree with. That's all.

I mean, I like (not love) 70's hard rock band Deep Purple. However, a lot of their fans say that part of their brilliance was that they could play funk and R&B-inspired music (see albums like "Come and taste the band" or several songs on "Stormbringer") as well as hard-rock. However, *I* don't think they could do that very well at all and that it is a moot point to bring up as an argument for them being better than, say, Black Sabbath in the same era...

  

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62. "my guitar gently weeps isn't exactly a pure rock song ..."
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the term "rock" is a bit of a general term.... I mean if Def Leopard or Poison had made the song Purple Rain it would be like a classic power ballad.... But Prince doing doesn't speak to his ability as a "rock" musician???? whatever being a "rock" musician means.... When it's probably as much of a rock song as my guitar gently weeps..

Prince is in the Funk tradition of making music that encompasses a lot of different styles... Prince could bring it on the guitar.... I'd rank others ahead of him..... but he does his thing.

  

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68. "?"
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>the term "rock" is a bit of a general term.... I mean if Def
>Leopard or Poison had made the song Purple Rain it would be
>like a classic power ballad....

Absolutely nothing Poison has done is considered "classic" today and I honestly don't think Purple Rain would have helped their cause. The general perception-rightly IMO-seem to be that they were a joke more or less. Def Leppard has fared slightly better but that's because they were innovators and also did two of the biggest rock-albums of the 80's; still their status is not exactly Rolling Stones today and they are frequently clowned as well...

>But Prince doing doesn't speak
>to his ability as a "rock" musician???? whatever being a
>"rock" musician means.... When it's probably as much of a rock
>song as my guitar gently weeps..

I never said "Purple Rain" wasn't a rock-song. In fact, I specifically said it was a rock-song; IMO, it's actually one of the most pure rock-songs he ever made...

>
>Prince is in the Funk tradition of making music that
>encompasses a lot of different styles... Prince could bring it
>on the guitar.... I'd rank others ahead of him..... but he
>does his thing.

I don't really consider Prince a funk-artist after "1999"; before that I think he was, after that in the 80's, I would honestly say he was just as much "rock" IMO...

  

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67. "my favorite rock song of prince is easily 'the cross'."
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61. "that shit was coooooLd"
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63. "yeah..great performance...."
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love the showmanship too...and it was absolutely the right time and place for that...He's fukkin Prince....do the shit big on the biggest stage...that's what got him to the Hall of Fame in the first damn place...

George Harrison would have thought that shit was cool as fukk....

  

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64. "agreed, I think George would have enjoyed it like Dhani did up there"
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>George Harrison would have thought that shit was cool as
>fukk....

  

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65. "He actually got better with age"
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That's the most amazing thing to me. His tone, feeling, style, everything was always amazing to me but seeing this and seeing him many times over the past decade I can say that I believe he's actually a better guitar player now than he was in his "prime". I've seen a few of his after concert performances where he really lets loose and it's jaw dropping.

  

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69. "It's one of Prince's worst solos"
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He's an amazing guitarist, but he totally overplays here and it's not at all sensitive in a musical context.

  

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74. "RE: He actually got better with age"
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>That's the most amazing thing to me. His tone, feeling,
>style, everything was always amazing to me but seeing this and
>seeing him many times over the past decade I can say that I
>believe he's actually a better guitar player now than he was
>in his "prime". I've seen a few of his after concert
>performances where he really lets loose and it's jaw dropping.



I agree with this^^^^

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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86. "yes. even though this wasn't his best."
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fuck you.

  

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70. "he overplays"
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but here, I think it actually *works*

Before he comes on, that rendition was moving on a sleepy time schedule, with Petty practically reading "Goodnight, Moon" to the audience.

And I generally like Petty well enough...

But P just sort of sees that vulnerability in the moment - the sort of weakness of the performance - and explodes it. He *totally* cheezes it up, physically and musically, and virtually every lick he runs in there is from his standard repertoire...

but it *totally* works. particularly that run of deep muddled distortion about halfway through his solo...

my only complaint: he didn't one or two refrains sooner. He got weak in the last one esp.

I never saw Petty as salty here, though - he looks like overall he's enjoying it...

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72. ""just my imagination" solo is the best..."
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82. "Small Club 88 one? If so, I agree. He & Shiela lock in there"
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75. "everybody in this post is correct (execpt the guy that is race baiting)."
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yes, this guitar solo is over the top.
yes, this guitar solo is not built particularly well.
i like the way dale phrased it...(it doesn't tell a story.)

yes, this solo is kind of out of place.
b/c he's essentially just shredding the shit out of the guitar,
probablly because he just wanted to show the establishment
that he could do it, all while wearing a flashy costume
and a look on his face that indicates "this isn't even
a big deal to me."

it doesn't quite fit, b/c the name and vibe of the song is
"while my guitar GENTLY weeps,"
not, "while my guitar screams out 'look at me, look at me, i'm awesome.'"




that being said, this guitar solo being over the top
is precisely the reason it works for some people.
it injects life into an otherwise "routine" performance.

and even though prince isn't the BEST shredder out there,
he did it here convicingly, and depending on your tastes,
you may or may not appreciate that.





as for prince as a "rocker,"
price's best songs rarely fit cleanly into any one genre.

his best songs are hybrids.
(mixing funk w/ new wave, mixing rock and pop,
mixing rock and new wave, just putting shit together in unlikely
combinations).


when prince attempts to do a song
that fits cleanly into one genre,
those songs usually come across as competent, but not necessarily
inspired.

SEE: his vegas "funk" james brown songs, or
the "rock" tunes on chaos and disorder.

i mean, these songs aren't terrible.
and if you're in the mood for them, they are even good.

but they sound more like genre excercises
than vintage prince.



and as for prince's lead guitar skills,
i've always found him to be damn good... but not
necessariy legendary. his rhythm guitar makes him
a guitar god in my book... not his lead guitar.

his lead guitar can sound kind of rote.
which fits when he's on the right track
(let's go crazy) but doesn't quite fit
when he's just trying to do a straight up rock song.



in other words,
this is an okay/ good/ great performance
that you may or may not care for, depending on
personal sensabilities...

and there are valid reasons to like or dislike this performance.


  

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78. "re: gently weeping solo"
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Clapton's original solo is fairly fiery and show-y. so i think Prince's solo isn't out of place in that regard.

his performance that night on that song does feel a little out of place b/c the acts who performed before him were so staid and somewhat boring and 'gentle'. they played like they were at George's wake. Prince played like he was at his own Hall of Fame induction ceremony doing the closing number. which he was.

fuck you.

  

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80. "Or maybe celebrating George's life, by playing a lively guitar solo ?"
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>Clapton's original solo is fairly fiery and show-y. so i
>think Prince's solo isn't out of place in that regard.
>
>his performance that night on that song does feel a little out
>of place b/c the acts who performed before him were so staid
>and somewhat boring and 'gentle'. they played like they were
>at George's wake. Prince played like he was at his own Hall
>of Fame induction ceremony doing the closing number. which he
>was.

I don't know.....*shrugs* lol !!!

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83. "A lively solo is one thing."
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Doing all the tricks like falling back and having your bodyguard catch you, throwing the guitar into the air at the end and walking off stage etc?

That's making it about you.

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84. "it was his night too, that was the closer. Bono makes every speech"
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he gives at this thing about him but they're still entertaining to watch/listen to.

  

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89. "I've been critical of Bono too, for the record."
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91. "JAH-MAK-UNNN!(c)The Fly"
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85. "it WAS about him."
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he'd just been inducted in the RRHOF!

that solo would've been way out if it'd come from someone whose night it wasn't. it was Prince's night. in part.

fuck you.

  

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77. "For me personally, what comes across from Prince's guitar playing"
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is that it's obvious that he LOVES to play it. He ENJOYS playing the instrument. So maybe it's not his technical mastery (or lack of it) that wows me about his playing, but that you can tell he loves playing, especially live.

  

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79. "I'm still amazed people actually get upset over this topic"
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Prince's rhythm playing is phenomenal... I also like a lot of his lead stuff. If someone else doesn't think it's all that then they don't have to listen. Why is this such a heated subject?
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81. "real talk. "
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>Prince's rhythm playing is phenomenal... I also like a lot of
>his lead stuff. If someone else doesn't think it's all that
>then they don't have to listen. Why is this such a heated
>subject?
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87. "the hate that hate created."
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Mon Jan-23-12 05:01 PM by Joe Corn Mo

  

          

and what i mean by that is
*we* (rubs skin) sort of get irriated when
rolling stone doesn't include prince in the patheon of
"guitar gods." he doesn't get that eric clapton type of love
from the rock establishment.

it's sort of like how some folks get mad
when you mention the beatles around here.
they feel that stevie wonder should be getting that lennon/ mccartney love from "rolling stone" magazine.

they feel that EWF "that's the way of the world"
should be getting that "revolver" love from rolling stone.



now the truth is, great black musicians don't NEED
that type of validation from rolling stone.
but sometimes, *we* (rubs skin again) still feel some kind of way
for it not being there.

and i can understand that. really, i can.




but i think it more sense for *us*
to appreaciate prince for the legend that he is,
and quite worrying about the fact that the establishment
will never give "purple rain" the same amount of love
as that unpronouncable led zeplin album.



prince doesn't need "their" respect.
he's prince.

my opinion: prince is an incredible rhythm guitarist,
an exceptional lead guitarists,
and he can rock out convincingly (when he wants to).

but that's not really enough for all of us.
we want him to be "accepted."

it is what it is, i guess.




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90. "agreed."
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fuck you.

  

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97. "RE: the hate that hate created."
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Eloquent....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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CRM
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92. "Possibly because ignorant people think it's an amazing solo"
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It's one of the few times where Prince plays with no taste.

  

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93. "ah yes, please expound on it with that well-refined taste of yours"
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Joe Corn Mo
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94. "*blink*"
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Mon Jan-23-12 07:09 PM by Joe Corn Mo

  

          

really? so now i'm ignorant if i enjoyed the solo?
has it come to this?
is it that serious?

*slowly backs away*

  

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95. "lmao, check the location"
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