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"imcvspl's Deep Thoughts: An Appropriation Case Study"
Thu Jan-19-12 03:18 PM by imcvspl

  

          

This will be the subject - http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2542176&mesg_id=2542176&listing_type=search
Here's a little background - http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2581770&mesg_id=2581770&listing_type=search
There was another post but it's gone. Gist of it was I'm gonna be right, I'm gonna be right. And this is the followup to say I was right, I was right.

Aight. Pardon the format:

* Gumdrops introduces Juke to The Lesson at the end of 2010 (pretty sure it was back then the first post listed above was a last attempt at getting discussion going, but I'd been peeping since it first came up).

* The term juke comes from chicago and is in reference to uhhh one's body motion when dancing to high speed rhythms with a partner (lol). It references the dance not the music. Juke music is the music you can do the dance moves to.

* This is an old term which my Chicago Players (shout out to disco and SoWhat) will tell you goes way back. And if you check this link http://soundcloud.com/user6078324/footwork-selects you can hear some of the pioneers speaking on it (and note they speak first to the dance).

* Footwork is in reference to juke foot technique. Doing all that juking is one thing, but if you really bout it bout it (aka can dance) it's about your footwork. So this technique is pulled out of a more playful dance, and developed into form. (pardon my putting this in this deep post but - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy_cT7keWTk shit still puts a smile on my face)

* In parallel with this the music hits a critical mass of new songs warranting what could be understood as the resurgence of juke music. This ressurgance parallels the dance as there's both the playful music and the serious technique-y production value which starts bubbling up.

* Enter appropriators. I'm not going to remember names but there are a couple of key figures, one of which reps for Planet Mu records. They 'discover' this bubbling scene and BAM they've got a mission. Carry juke to the masses. Now I wasn't there so all of this is speculation but somethings can be assumed.

- This was not an interest in archiving for history. We're talking about a relatively active scene at a time when electronic is poppin. So this isn't about keeping history but really attempting to blow it up.
- There was money to be made, but only if the uniqueness of it could be sold. By this I mean if it was going to be profitable people needed a reason to buy.
- Sex still sells.

* So this picture is drawn of juke which shows it to be this *NEW* underground electronic dance music from the ghettos of Chicago... yes the same Chicago that brought house music. Get up on it now while its still fresh because we've got the architects of it right here for you.

* So Planet Mu drop a couple singles then some compilations. Word spreads. All the trendy DJ's are dropping juke joints into their sets to show how hip they are. Juke is hot juke is hot!!!

* Shit happens real fast these days. Before Mu gets it's first juke LP to the press other producers are incorporating the format into their own shit and releasing their juke/footwork joints.

Okay we're going to go into the musical now. Reuben and Errol been talking bout local scenes and the need for styles to develop locally before blowing up for a minute now and this represents a good opportunity to think about that. So here's some points:

* Juke has been a local thing for over a decade. (PLEASE DO NOT READ REGIONAL SHOTS FIRED INTO THE NEXT BIT). So in 2010 it's hard to say that it was still in the regional incubation period.

* Juke music is really basic. REALLY BASIC. No slight in that assessment, it just is. If you have a laptop and an hour you can make a juke tune (whether or not it will be a good one is debatable). It's so simple there are a lot of things which it would seem to be lack.

* One of the biggest things that juke leaves one wanting is a drop. Juke songs are like these perpetual builds with toms going crazy all over the place, but in that OG shit (sic) it never culminates in the big drop. I think this is one of the hardest things for folk not into juke to get over.

* Having been appropriated by artists from all around the globe now, one of the biggest indicators of the song being by an appropriator is the prominence of their drop. They do the same shit the Chi cats do but they actually make it drop.

* One could say that's an improvement on the form, but it isn't one which has yet to be adopted by the OG's. Even more, after flirting with it for about six months most of those appropriators are moving on.

* So go five years from now, there'll be a blip on the electronic timeline for juke. And when people talk about that classic juke period it will be 2011 more or less. Now when they talk about classic juke cuts, odds are they'll mention just as many appropriators ans og's. This will make it easy for the definition of juke to be redefined to *be* the appropriators version with the og considered, classic or proto juke.

* Ten years down the line the OG won't matter at all.

If you followed this far.... yeah.... you see it.
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bubbling is an 'old' scene tho that is an antecedent to dutch house
Jan 19th 2012
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stay on topic/genre with me on this one
Jan 19th 2012
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      okay im just skeptical of your idea that mu discovered bubbling
Jan 19th 2012
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           RE: okay im just skeptical of your idea that mu discovered bubbling
Jan 19th 2012
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                i havent clicked the article yet but
Jan 19th 2012
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                     Moombahton is a WHOLE other appropriation post LOL!!
Jan 19th 2012
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i'm still '?' that ppl take this shit seriously.
Jan 19th 2012
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By fans of the broader new electronic scenes
Jan 19th 2012
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      LOL
Jan 19th 2012
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Actually Simon Reynolds wrote and article
Jan 19th 2012
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The kids today...
Jan 19th 2012
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Parallel - The whole "Afrobeats" thing (swipe)
Jan 27th 2012
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saga continues
Jul 24th 2012
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don't get caught in the trap
Jul 19th 2012
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that was clever
Jul 24th 2012
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1. "bubbling is an 'old' scene tho that is an antecedent to dutch house"
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that has risen in popularity over recent yrs in the uk
and influenced some of the uk post dubstep stuff

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2. "stay on topic/genre with me on this one"
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A lot to be thought about within the confines of the case study presented.
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3. "okay im just skeptical of your idea that mu discovered bubbling "
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than wanted to archive it.


but doesn't this support my argument that the internet destroys the natural social process of art.

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4. "RE: okay im just skeptical of your idea that mu discovered bubbling "
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>than wanted to archive it.

The deleted post had a link to an article in which the Mu guy breaks down how he got put on. And I wouldn't say there intents were archival.

>but doesn't this support my argument that the internet
>destroys the natural social process of art.

Kind of. But it also demysticizes that the incubation period will likely produce higher quality results.

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8. "i havent clicked the article yet but "
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i thought dutch house and moombahton were getting some spin in the uk
and they just traced the lineage back to bubbling and were like wow
this shit got totally overlooked

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9. "Moombahton is a WHOLE other appropriation post LOL!!"
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Here's a 2010 article on the "introduction" of juke - http://blog.bleep.com/2010/08/12/mike-paradinas-introduces-juke-house/


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5. "i'm still '?' that ppl take this shit seriously."
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*smh*

fuck you.

  

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6. "By fans of the broader new electronic scenes"
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One of the top 3 (#1 for many) releases last year was an album of juke appropriations. This year he's already moved on and if you look at the rest of his catalog, parallels but nothing like juke. The album last year may be amongst his best received, both critically and sales wise. I'm just saying.
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*smh*

fuck you.

  

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about how the other functions in music in a world where the most obscure shit is now accessible via the internet.

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11. "The kids today..."
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hate "Retromania"

I haven't read it. But they don't like being compared to the past even if they are aping it. I also feel it does a disservice to say everything's been done before, but I'd have to read the book before breaking that down in context.
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12. "Parallel - The whole "Afrobeats" thing (swipe)"
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Starts here - http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2012/jan/19/the-rise-of-afrobeats

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The rise of Afrobeats
It's the new sound of the UK underground, reworking the African pop of Fela Kuti for kids reared on grime, hip-hop and funky house. With stars like Kanye West wanting in, just how big will it get?

Dan Hancox
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 19 January 2012 16.00 EST
Article history

Clubbers at a DJ Abrantee Afrobeats night. Photograph: dlauk.com
As London ushered in its Olympic year at midnight on 31 December, the official fireworks playlist blaring out over the Thames moved predictably through Vangelis, Soft Cell, Shirley Bassey and Adele. But it was accompanied by one less obvious choice: D'Banj's Oliver Twist. It may have been the first time most of the 250,000 revellers heard the hit-in-waiting from the Nigerian rap star, but it probably won't be the last. At that moment, London DJ Abrantee, the man who gave the name "Afrobeats" to the hottest scene in the UK right now, was getting ready to fly to Egypt, where the very same song "tore the place apart" in front of a Cairo club crowd more used to house music. Most people are familiar with the Afrobeat styles of Fela Kuti – Afrobeats is something different; with the addition of the letter "s" comes a whole new chapter in global pop music.

Abrantee's neologism describes a new sound – a 21st-century melting pot of western rap influences, and contemporary Ghanaian and Nigerian pop music – but it didn't drop out of a clear blue sky. "I've been playing this music to three or four thousand people at African events in the UK for years," he explains. "Things like the Ghana Independence celebrations or the Hiplife festival at the O2 in London last year. Bringing it to the mainstream is a different ball game, though – D'Banj getting played on New Year's Eve at the Thames, that kind of certifies it now – this is serious! For years we've had amazing hiplife, highlife, Nigerbeats, juju music, and I thought: you know what, let's put it all back together as one thing again, and call it Afrobeats, as an umbrella term. Afrobeat, the 60s music, was more instrumental – this Afrobeats sound is different, it's intertwined with things like hip-hop and funky house, and there's more of a young feel to it."


DJ Abrantee: "It's funky, energetic and young' Photograph: SKD
Abrantee is unfailingly cheerful, 30 years old, and astonishingly busy, his two BlackBerrys buzzing constantly even on a Sunday evening. He hosts a radio show six days a week on Choice FM in London, yet when we meet his DJing has already taken him to Africa twice in 2012, and this is only in the first week of January. On his weekly Saturday night Afrobeats radio show, and for his forthcoming UK tour, the playlist is almost all Ghanaian and Nigerian – Africa's just too big to keep up with all its other genres, he laughs. "This is specifically the western African sound: there are a lot of shared ideas between these two neighbouring countries. I see Afrobeats as music which makes the heart beat. And it's funky, and hyped, and energetic and young."

It certainly is young – Abrantee only coined the term when his Choice show launched in April 2011 – but Afrobeats has found its way on to the MP3 players of a generation of under-18s looking for an alternative to British urban pop music. "It's striking how young they are – when I do these Afrobeats events there's thousands of people, and they're all youngsters, really." The kids are always the earliest adopters, though, so Abrantee reckons that this bodes well. "It's like when funky house first came out; the youngsters all jumped on it, it was the new thing on the street, the kids were all on it. It was the same when grime first came out. And now it's Afrobeats' turn."

This has had some amusing knock-on effects for black British fans. Abrantee has, he says, heard stories of UK-born kids saying to their African parents: "'Can I have some money to go to this Afrobeats rave?' and they've gone, 'Afrobeats? What is this, African music?' – and the parents are really pleased, and proud, that their kids are all of a sudden embracing their culture. It didn't used to be cool, but now they're going through their parents' record collections going, 'Have you got this old song by Daddy Lumba?'." He seems proud of having inadvertently united the generations. "I'm getting a lots of tweets saying, 'My mum loves you,' or, 'My dad's blasting your mix CD.'"

For 16-year-old Natasha, whom I find sodcasting – playing music in public through her phone – with her friends at a Hackney bus stop, it's just the ultimate party music: "Afrobeats is the best thing to dance to right now, it's got the best vibe," she enthuses, as her friends look for that same D'Banj song on their phones, in order to demonstrate.

It's not just the Afrobeats fanbase that's growing rapidly in the UK, but the interest from British and American urban music acts too. Ghanaian rap superstar Sarkodie has already collaborated with UK artists Donaeo and Sway, and a few weeks ago a video appeared on YouTube of him teaching Wretch 32 and Chipmunk how to do the Ghanaian Azonto dance, while they worked on songs together. "You're going to see more and more UK artists doing Afrobeats collaborations now," Abrantee says, pointing to further interest from Alexandra Burke and Tinchy Stryder. Meanwhile in the US, Kanye West has signed D'Banj, following his collaboration with Snoop Dogg on Mr Endowed; while last month Akon swooped to sign three Nigerian Afrobeats artists in one go, Wiz Kid, 2Face Idibia and P-Square.

According to Abrantee, the funky party sounds now emanating from Ghana and Nigeria are providing an injection of new energy into UK urban and US hip-hop. "The floodgates have opened. Music is always evolving, and everyone's always looking for the next drug. Funky house has died out, grime is still there but it's gone back underground, electro-pop's got UK urban music in the charts, but that'll die out too, it's got a short shelf-life. So everyone's looking for the next thing, the next hype – and people are finally noticing I'm getting 3,000 people coming out to dance to Afrobeats."


Sway: 'Something new appeals to everyone'
For British-Ghanaian hip-hop stalwart Sway, who has been rapping over Ghanaian beats and collaborating with Accra's finest for almost a decade, there are obvious similarities between the 1960s Afrobeat that swept the world and what's happening now. "Fela Kuti is obviously a massive legend in the game, and what he was doing is not too different to what D'Banj is doing now – taking western influences and adding them to African culture, and coming up with something new, that appeals to everyone."

Even with that history, Sway reckons that technology has heralded a highly accelerated three-way cultural exchange between Africa, America and Britain. "African music in Africa is evolving in relation to what's going on abroad too. Via the internet they're picking up certain trends much quicker: so for example you have Auto-Tune and western styles of singing cropping up on all these Afrobeats tracks."

You can hear this influence on Nigerian rap star Ice Prince's hits Oleku and Superstar, and, he says, Afrobeats itself marks a new musical progression: "There's been a serious change in the music coming out of Africa lately," he explains. "The sound is heavier and clearer, the videos are better, there's been a positive growth in the African music scene. It was just a matter of time before people paid attention."

And now, Sway's peers in the UK and the US are waking up to Afrobeats' secret: it's accessible on so many different levels, but at its core it's just irresistible pop music. For Sway, its power is blindingly obvious: "When you've got African swag and African traditions combined with up-to-date western styles, and singing in English, well – you've got a winning formula on your hands."

DJ Abrantee's Afrobeats Mix Volume 1 is available now for free download from his website. An Afrobeats UK tour culminates at London Indigo2 on 29 January.

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Here's a response from a blog I dig:

http://africasacountry.com/2012/01/27/the-whole-afrobeats-thing/

Two recent features in the mainstream British media turned out to be enough to spur some debate about the so-called “Rise of the Afrobeats” in the U.K. The Guardian interviewed DJ Abrantee (quoting Abrantee as him having coined the term “Afrobeats” — or so the journalist said, which Abrantee later denied, but which didn’t stop MTV Iggy from copying it) while BBC radio aired a one-hour show as “your complete guide to Afrobeats.” Both features came with popular music plugs but also with some ludicrous quotes (such as “Nigerians are just hustlers on a high level… A Kenyan you can just walk by, he doesn’t exude that super star flair”; “male African dancers are much better dancers than the female Africans”; “African music is just beginning, just starting now”; “Africa’s a place full of love, despite it being depicted as war-torn”; “these songs are not about sex, but about love”; etcetera). Host of the show DJ Edu later clarified he wanted to “package African music to the West who loves a story” but it got us thinking.

Even from the outside looking in, one can recognize a persistent genre obsessed hype machine around “Black Music” in the U.K. We’re familiar with wider debates around the practice in the “World Music” industry in general so we won’t spend too much time explaining why the “Afrobeats” name is somewhat irresponsible and misleading (adding an “s” to Afrobeat?). Those of us who are interested in promoting African music around the world have to be wary of the reflex to lump music from diverse places and historical contexts into one new category. If we want to be pan-African, then let’s be pan-African, but let’s not pave over local identities and histories solely for the sake of an easier marketing plan (let alone for the West “that loves a story”). Plus, since we at AIAC often rep for smaller countries, we realize that scenes in less equipped areas will never be able to compete with the giant industries in places like Ghana and Nigeria. If practices like this continue, too many local and national scenes will fall victim to unfair international competition.

Another problematic claim that has emerged through the dialogue is that the U.K. is “leading the way” in the popularization of African music in the world. While we’ll admit that the U.K.’s large immigrant communities certainly play a role in the popularization of African music in the British mainstream, the problem with a U.K. centered view is that it ignores the waves that popular African artists have made in other places. Paris centered explorations with Coupe Decale and Kuduro have made a significant impact in France and Portugal, but also in Brazil, the U.S., Spanish speaking America and other parts of the Caribbean (Kuduro has been getting play at Brooklyn Carnival for the last couple years.) Maybe Don Omar isn’t as big as Kanye to many in the English speaking world, but he’s undoubtedly bigger in other parts of the world. So when he jumps on a track called Danza Kuduro, it holds mainstream weight.

Lastly, perhaps the biggest worry is how in the wake of Kanye signing D’Banj, people’s focus has seemed to center around getting U.S. corporate mainstream attention. While that’s also part of spreading the music, since when did the U.S. mainstream become the end-all watermark of success for African artists? We’ve personally always believed in de-centering global creativity away from the U.S. and Europe, and we think that’s the real story here. It’s not “Afrobeats” in itself, but what “Afrobeats” will allow.

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