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TRoyTerry4524
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"What rapper in their prime was at the highest point a rapper had ever be..."
Wed Jan-11-12 11:58 PM by TRoyTerry4524

          

I mean which rapper peaked the highest in their career. H long they were on top doesn't matter, record sales don't matter either it just matter how big they were at the time (say over a year).

  

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i think Lil Wayne circa 2007 should be in the debate
Jan 12th 2012
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Illmatic Era Nas was the perfect MC.
Jan 12th 2012
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      Not really
Jan 12th 2012
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      RE: Illmatic Era Nas was the perfect MC.
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Lethal Injection era Ice Cube and Life after Death Biggie
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50
Jan 12th 2012
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Yup
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Yeah, he's Top three at least
Jan 12th 2012
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niggas were shouting out "G-UNIT" like they were on the payr...
Jan 12th 2012
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RE: What rapper in their prime was at the highest point a rapper had eve...
Jan 12th 2012
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LOL
Jan 12th 2012
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this guy lol
Jan 12th 2012
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This is the Lesson, fam.
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      The OG post literally says rapper who was the biggest at the time
Sep 30th 2013
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           I'm aware of that, bruh.
Oct 01st 2013
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depends what you call "big"
Jan 12th 2012
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Doggystyle-era Snoop...
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Agreed...
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Since I've been listening to Rap (1990?) I'd say........
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Mostly right except Wayne and Drake ain't even in the convo
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That's just sales wise. And I did put them below the top ones
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RE: Since I've been listening to Rap (1990?) I'd say........
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      Eh...actually I could have put DMX there. I made a thread about it
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i dunno... seemed like Em took over a whole tv station at one point
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^^Agreed. n/m
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Any answer outside of Hammer is just plain wrong.
Jan 12th 2012
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Hammer was the top a top
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yes but he had already been sorta abandoned by the genre's
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Eminem is the only answer
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^^^^^^^^
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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I dont think no rapper was as high as Hammer at his highest
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Didn't DMX have 3 #1 albums in a year
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i think it was 2 in 1 year and then another one the next year
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FAT BOYS AND HAMMER
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RUN DMC / HAMMER / EM / 50 / KANYE
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Snoop or Eminem
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Hammer was is a popular answer but he was so derided at the time
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^ New Yorker.
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how is Jay
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you just misunderstood the question is all.
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okay, i re-read
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name the time then
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Jay 01-04
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anyone who argues with this ^^^^^ has a bad memory
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2003 = 50 CENT, PERIOD, NO QUESTION
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I feel like 2001 Jay only. Black Album came out in 2003, which was 50
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RE: I feel like 2001 Jay only. Black Album came out in 2003, which was 5...
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em and 50 kinda owned that period
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Exactly what I've always said
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jay is like kobe imo...
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Jay headlined Glastonberry, toured w U2, played Yankee Stadium
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One could argue that although Jay has more peaks, he's never been
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      This is what i'm saying
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I think a lot of you misunderstood the OP. Or maybe I did.
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That's not what he was asking.
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      Well, then I got nothing. lol
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           Agreed. It was a rather simple question...
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Maybe I'm the only one that doesn't fully understand the question.
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which rapper peaked highest, regardless of how long that peak lasted.
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      Exactly what I was asking
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Nelly
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I don't think record sales can really show how big NWA was
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I'd have to go with RUN DMC
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Them being the first to do a lot of things has nothing to do with highes...
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      no group has matched RUN DMCs "level" yet.....
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      Before them a lot people didn't know what rap music was
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           The OG question isnt about importance though
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                RUN DMC has still peaked the highest
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                Their influence was greater than any act listed. They were more relevan...
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                     I thought this was about popularity not influence
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                          I'm looking more at notoriety/popularity than just popularity
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Hammer, simples.
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eminem had back to back DIAMOND albums. post over
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you're right
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i think "did their weed carriers eat?" is a significant metric.
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Heh. RUN DMC's weed carriers were LL Cool J & The Beastie Boys
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Oaktown 357 did okay.
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LOL Hammer is the definition of "weed carriers" eating.
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RUN DMC and this shit is OVER!!!!!!!
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Actually the more I think about it Run DMC is probably the best answer
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I mean seriously
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      Yeah. I think we forget that because they were benevolent rulers
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           Not sure if I understand the question but in my opinion
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           Aerosmith/Run DMC "Walk This Way" opened up a lane for that.
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                Yep, Bring the Noise was re done in 1991
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           Together Forever, ya know?!?!
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DMX 1998/1999
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3 answers: Em, Hov, 50.
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RE: i think both kast and tribe gotta be in the convo.
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Run-Dmc, easy ...
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Drake?
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Dr.Dre with NWA and the Chronic
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Run DMC Hands Down
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NOBODY has ever been as big as Run-DMC was in 1986
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EyE C
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1. "i think Lil Wayne circa 2007 should be in the debate"
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2. "Illmatic Era Nas was the perfect MC."
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imo of course, but he could be everything.

  

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3. "Not really"
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>imo of course, but he could be everything.

Illmatic was a masterwork, of course, but Nas was
sorta a reclusive figure and occupied more a niche

Can't really say that was really the peak of his career

He just happened to produce his (and the artform's) best
work

  

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36. "RE: Illmatic Era Nas was the perfect MC."
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Agreed!!

  

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4. "Lethal Injection era Ice Cube and Life after Death Biggie"
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Both were on top of the game, were respected by all corners
of the game, sold lots of records, critical acclaim, all of
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5. "50"
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when GRODT was at its high point.

i went to a club where they spun In Da Club like 10 times in a row, no joke....and the WHOLE club danced and rapped all 10 times.

i don't think i've ever seen anyone (from other rappers/actors/comedians/fans...you name it) want to be more down w/ a rapper than when 50 was hot.

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9. "Yup"
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10. "Yeah, he's Top three at least"
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14. " niggas were shouting out "G-UNIT" like they were on the payr..."
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Thu Jan-12-12 09:42 AM by Joe Corn Mo

  

          

and a 50 cent song didn't even have to be playing.
they just were shouting that out.


b/w the mixtape
and the album, he pretty much cornered all markets.

the black folks were feeling it,
he even got that white pop love,
and to be honest, even *I* was feeling it.

and i can be quite a churl.

so, yeah.

50 had the zeitgeist like no other rapper i've ever seen.

  

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6. "RE: What rapper in their prime was at the highest point a rapper had eve..."
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September of '03 to November '04 DOOM put out vaudeville villain, madvillainy, and mm food.

  

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11. "LOL"
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13. "this guy lol"
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92. "This is the Lesson, fam. "
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it's rarely if ever about who put out the best, highest quality material, and nearly always about who was the biggest, hottest, the most "relevant" (to pop culture).

a lotta empty, superficial music discussion goin on here.

why am i here then? i'm sure people will ask.
i guess because i've been here so long already, since a time when there was a lot more quality posting imo, and because i'm not really on the blog scene like that so i don't really feel like taking time to seek out other places. more fun to stay here and be a pain in everyone's ass.

  

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93. "The OG post literally says rapper who was the biggest at the time"
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Not technically best, but BIGGEST.

  

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95. "I'm aware of that, bruh."
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maybe u should've explained that to the guy who i responded to, instead of clowning him.

don't get me wrong, i'm down for a good clownin as much as the next guy, but yall nuccas is savage wit it lol. u can't even make an honest mistake up in this piece without being ridiculed.

and again to my point- so many posts about who was the biggest, the hottest... so few about who is the dopest. like the K Lamar post from a few weeks ago. "is he #1 in the game right now?". FUCK the game. lets talk about who's the fuckin best and why. i guess i should just stfu and make the damn thread :/

  

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7. "depends what you call "big""
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I seen the cells of a Hammer cartoon.

I've also seen Jay-Z interviewed by Charlie Rose.

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8. "Doggystyle-era Snoop..."
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dude was absolutely on top of the world at the time.

  

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The hype between the Chronic and Doggystyle was enormous and it was both in a hip-Hop context *and* a mainstream MTV/Rolling Stone/whatever vibe...

  

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12. "Since I've been listening to Rap (1990?) I'd say........"
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1. MC Hammer - Kill the dumb shit, Hammer was the first MAJOR Superstar in Rap. I mean a cartoon show?? Toys?? Yep.

2. 50 Cent - As said before, In da club was the most played song EVER...Niggas in Paris gets repeated plays, but it still wasn't what In da club was then. His mixtapes were on fire, and everybody was shouting G-G-G-G-G-G-UUUUUUNIT

3. Snoop Doggy Dogg - Arguably #2....I just feel the internet era boosted 50's overall buzz and hype. Doggystyle was everywhere, the singles were everywhere, and he became a household name, even if for infamous reasons.

4. Eminem - I'd say MMLP era Em was HUGE, and became an immediate superstar.

5. Lil Wayne - 07-08 Wayne was on everything.

6. Drake - His buzz/hype was a result of Wayne, but he became major in that 2009-2010 period.

7. 2Pac - I only put him low because it feels as if there was a LOT more competition at that time for the "top spot"....when 1-6 were runnin shit, felt like 2nd place was faaar behind. With Pac, Biggie was right there, Snoop's buzz was still around before Doggfather, and plenty of other rappers had a big year in 96...so he wasn't ahead of the pack as a whole.

8. Biggie - Right around Pac's death and up to his own death





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22. "Mostly right except Wayne and Drake ain't even in the convo"
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they were/are at the peak of the rap game when the game isn't even that big anymore. Drake or Wayne will never come close to going Diamond.

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35. "That's just sales wise. And I did put them below the top ones"
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40. "RE: Since I've been listening to Rap (1990?) I'd say........"
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Respect the list but take Drake off and add Jay-Z The Blueprint Era or Hardknock Era is as high an Mc can be..

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45. "Eh...actually I could have put DMX there. I made a thread about it"
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a few months ago...I personally never felt like Jay was the #1 "HOTTEST" Rapper in the game...maybe 01 Blueprint era, but that Hard Knock Life era still belonged to DMX if you ask me.

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15. "i dunno... seemed like Em took over a whole tv station at one point"
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the controversy, the movie, the feeding off of other contemporary superstars, the whiteness (lol)... i think it was a combination of his target audience, where mtv was at that point, co-signs and soccer moms in outrage..

def. wasn't the biggest w/ the hip hop base... but he was pretty huge at one point if you consider the general population..

  

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16. "Any answer outside of Hammer is just plain wrong."
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There's no album I can remember being on the top of Billboard longer than Please Hammer Don't Hurt him. He spawned like 5 singles off that album, and they all made some noise.

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18. "Hammer was the top a top"
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its a shame how his career went down

  

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27. "yes but he had already been sorta abandoned by the genre's"
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biggest fans so I'm ruling him out off that alone.

I'd say '92/93 Snoop, possibly 50 in 2003.

  

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17. "Eminem is the only answer"
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39. "^^^^^^^^"
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my answer also

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81. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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there are plenty that can be argued but the beginning of his career with dre will be hard to match for a long time

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19. "I dont think no rapper was as high as Hammer at his highest"
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Em, Jay, Pac, Wayne, Snoop and 50 are up there. I mean they were high for longer but none reached Hammers high point.

Also people forget, DMX? At his highest? Around 1999-2000? Shit, this dude was at the top of the world and had the whole game in a headlock

  

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20. "Didn't DMX have 3 #1 albums in a year"
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57. "i think it was 2 in 1 year and then another one the next year"
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It's Dark and Hell is Hot, Flesh of My Flesh in 98..

..And then there was X in 99...

shit was wild, he was pulling in big opening weekends, starring in films.. collab's w/ just about everyone.. i remember him getting love from the "punk-ish" crowd.. all of the Ruff Ryders crew on his coattails.. i feel like he gets some extra points for doing all of that while literally barking and growling in his music.. looking back, that's pretty nuts by any decade's standards.. i'm pretty sure he growled on a duet w/ Aaliyah.. fucking wild lol

  

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21. "FAT BOYS AND HAMMER"
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watch the undun FAT BOYS documentary and learn.


also, funnym, I heard Hammer's 'Turn this mutha out" last night and had a craving to hear the 'please hammer don't hurt'em" album

lurkin since 1999. werd.

  

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23. "RUN DMC / HAMMER / EM / 50 / KANYE"
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24. "Snoop or Eminem"
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maybe 2pac.

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25. "Hammer was is a popular answer but he was so derided at the time"
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I think Wayne/Snoop/Em/50 are better answers...


1)Their fame was so large it brought their weed carriers under that halo.
2)They had album sales(even tho we aren't counting em), critical acclaim AND regular street love
3)They were all household names: Wayne popping up with Barbara Walters for instance.

Hammer sold alot and was really popular, but at that point it was almost like he wasn't a rapper, lol.

  

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74. "^ New Yorker."
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i don't think any of you ppl can accurately judge the level of Hammer appreciation, nationwide.

fuck you.

  

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26. "how is Jay"
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left out of so many responses? I'm not a huge Jay fan but his reign on top was longer than any of these guys being named.

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28. "you just misunderstood the question is all."
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>left out of so many responses? I'm not a huge Jay fan but
>his reign on top was longer than any of these guys being
>named.

  

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30. "okay, i re-read"
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and jay still should be in the convo... and outkast too...

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33. "name the time then"
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All the big Jay Z moments I can think of have been overshadowed by someone who was bigger.

  

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43. "Jay 01-04"
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blueprint (including raising kanye's profile)
takeover + ether
bagged beyonce
expansion of rocafella roster (MOP/Dips etc)
started 40/40's
vodka business
film business
msg concert where literally all of hip hop came to bow down
named president of Def Jam
nets ownership
even the Linkin Park collabo was pretty big considering

lots of it came crashing down later but for that period he was as high as you can go in american/global culture. he didn't go the action figure /kfc commercial route like hammer but it's not like he wasn't EVERYWHERE

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44. "anyone who argues with this ^^^^^ has a bad memory"
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01-04 Jay is exactly the answer to this question...

Y'all seriously forgot already?

I mean that's why he "retired" 'cause it got to be ridiculous how much he took over (pun intended)

*and y'all know I'm no Jay stan like that at all. but really? its not even close.

by the time "Dirt Off Your Shoulder" or "Encore" were big singles, that shit was
unprecedented in my opinion. . I never in all my life can think of a moment in
Rap when EVERY car radio in NY was playin' the same thing.

  

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48. "2003 = 50 CENT, PERIOD, NO QUESTION"
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50. "I feel like 2001 Jay only. Black Album came out in 2003, which was 50"
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Cent's year without question at all.

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53. "RE: I feel like 2001 Jay only. Black Album came out in 2003, which was 5..."
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i'd say late 02/early to mid 03 was 50's. by November Jay had it on lock. Black album outsold the G-Unit album, and was numebr 1 in 2 non-consecutive weeks.

his group album, while did very well was not as talked about as the black album:

In its first week of sales, Beg for Mercy sold 377,000 copies. It placed third, behind Tupac Shakur's eighth posthumous release, Tupac: Resurrection, which moved 430,000 albums, and Jay-Z's The Black Album, which sold 463,263 copies (from wiki).

Jay was pretty big from late 03 til 04. im not sure if he was bigger than 50, but he was close at soem points in 03 and certainly in 04 (when "Dirt off my Shoulder" and "99 Problems" starting getting a lot of play).

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65. "em and 50 kinda owned that period"
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from MMLP to "the eminem show" to "8 mile" and then to GRODT.

you can even put outkast in there with the SB/TLB crossover.

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49. "Exactly what I've always said"
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56. "jay is like kobe imo..."
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never "THAT dude" @ any one particular moment (big/X/50/wayne/kanye = jordan/shaq/duncan/bron) but undeniably the one when you aggregate over a 10-12 yr period.

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73. "Jay headlined Glastonberry, toured w U2, played Yankee Stadium"
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He was the only rapper who performed at the concert for new york a month after 9/11, he's got more number one albums than everybody in history except the Beatles.

When it comes down to it, I guess it's how you interpret the question. To me, nobody else has really hit those "heights" if we're talking about mainstream exposure in pop culture. Other rappers/groups has definitely had higher peaks within the hip-hop community (see: 50 in 2003), but I thought the question was who has reached the highest highs overall, and to me, you have to have Jay in the discussion...

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59. "One could argue that although Jay has more peaks, he's never been"
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the "highest" at the exact moment of each peak.

IMO, as a Jay fan, he doesn't belong in this particular discussion.

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60. "This is what i'm saying"
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I didn't realize how many hits dude had till I saw him in concert, but thinking back to all those periods, somebody else was bigger.

  

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29. "I think a lot of you misunderstood the OP. Or maybe I did."
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He was asking who's creative peak hit at the same time as their most successful point in their career. I think 50 wins that argument hands down. Snoop is a good number two. But like, with Hammer (to me) his creative peak came an album before his success peak with Let's Get It Started. Equally so, I don't count Em, because Marshal Mathers was (to me, and most) his creative peak, but he only got bigger after that.

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52. "That's not what he was asking."
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54. "Well, then I got nothing. lol"
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If that wasn't the point, then I don't understand the question at all. Let me rephrase that.... I get the question, I just don't understand why anyone would think that would breed discussion.

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88. "Agreed. It was a rather simple question..."
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But rephrasing it made it awkward.

  

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31. "Maybe I'm the only one that doesn't fully understand the question."
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32. "which rapper peaked highest, regardless of how long that peak lasted."
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so it's not a GOAT discussion,
b/c longevity doesn't count.

nor does consistancy.


just take all of the rappers that have come out.
who peaked the highest?

i am assuming that by "peak,"
the OP is taking into account critical aclaim,
commercial success, and how folks was feeling said artist
in the "streets."

  

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87. "Exactly what I was asking "
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34. "Nelly"
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38. "I don't think record sales can really show how big NWA was"
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I felt like they shut everything down for a minute, everybody had to acknowledge or react to what they were doing in some form or fashion.

  

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41. "I'd have to go with RUN DMC"
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* #1 R&B charting rap album
*The second rap act to appear on American Bandstand (the Sugar Hill Gang appeared first on the program in 1981)
*The first rap act to chart in the Top 40 of the Billboard Hot 100 more than once
*The first rap artist with a Top 10 pop charting rap album
*The first rap artist with gold, platinum, and multi-platinum albums
*The first rap act to appear on the cover of Rolling Stone magazine
(one of) The first rap act(s) to receive a Grammy Award nomination
*The first rap act to make a video appearance on MTV
*The first rap act to perform at a major arena
*Signed to a major product endorsement deal (Adidas)
*The second rap act to be inducted into the Rock and roll hall of fame

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46. "Them being the first to do a lot of things has nothing to do with highes..."
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It just has to do with them existing before acts who would later do all of those things and more.

There are plenty of originators, but there are also a ton of people who took shit to the next level.

  

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47. "no group has matched RUN DMCs "level" yet....."
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...they were the first to do a lot of things, but they also did it bigger than any group has ever done since their peak

  

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62. " Before them a lot people didn't know what rap music was"
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>It just has to do with them existing before acts who would
>later do all of those things and more.
>
>There are plenty of originators, but there are also a ton of
>people who took shit to the next level.

Again, their crossover success made rap commercially viable on a worldwide scale. Hundreds of millions of people became aware of rap music, because of their success. 50 Cent, Hammer & Eminem can't say the same, their fans were already aware that rap music existed.

  

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64. "The OG question isnt about importance though"
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It's about the highest PEAK of any act in the history of hip hop.

  

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67. "RUN DMC has still peaked the highest"
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Jay-Z is a very close second place

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69. "Their influence was greater than any act listed. They were more relevan..."
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>It's about the highest PEAK of any act in the history of hip
>hop.

It's not a stretch to assume the level of public awareness at their peak was greater also.

  

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78. "I thought this was about popularity not influence"
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83. "I'm looking more at notoriety/popularity than just popularity"
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I'm thinking this post isn't strictly about who has the most sales, because what would be the fun in that?

Anyway, my argument is that Run DMC introduced the mainstream to rap, so more people knew of them and had to form some sort of opinion on them than any other rapper regardless of sales. 50 Cent can sell 10 million, but the guy who doesn't like rap will ignore him and therefore not have an opinion of him. That same person may have listened to a Run-DMC song because it was unlike anything that he'd ever heard before. Because of this I think that Run-DMC's peak may have been higher than anyone else's. They weren't just rappers, they were rap. I remember when Run DMC was the only rap group that was played on MTV.

  

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42. "Hammer, simples."
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51. "eminem had back to back DIAMOND albums. post over"
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66. "you're right"
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there may be correct answers leading up to 2000 (run dmc, beastie boys, vanilla ice, mc hammer, tupac, etc.)

but from 2000 and after 2004-ish, no rapper has even come close to what eminem was then.

albums sales, crossover, record label, production, movies, mtv, clothing line, magazine covers, controversies...

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55. "i think "did their weed carriers eat?" is a significant metric."
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d12 has 2 multiplatinum albums that debuted @ #1. think about that.

same w/ banks, yayo and game. all dropped platinum #1 debuts.

i don't remember 2 bigg mc doing them type of numbers.

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61. "Heh. RUN DMC's weed carriers were LL Cool J & The Beastie Boys"
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>d12 has 2 multiplatinum albums that debuted @ #1. think about
>that.
>
>same w/ banks, yayo and game. all dropped platinum #1 debuts.
>
>i don't remember 2 bigg mc doing them type of numbers.

That's just the immediate circle, realistically RUN DMC were the ones who solidified the idea that rap music is a commercially viable genre. One could argue that they were bigger than Em & 50 because hundreds of millions of people worldwide were introduced to rap because of them.

  

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75. "Oaktown 357 did okay."
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LOL

still, i like the metric. and it does result in Hammer being below the other 2.

fuck you.

  

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80. "LOL Hammer is the definition of "weed carriers" eating."
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he went broke cause he hired his whole neighborhood and made them background dancers and bodyguards and shit.

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ARE YOU TRYING TO RACE?!

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LAbeathustla
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58. "RUN DMC and this shit is OVER!!!!!!!"
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you had to be there

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63. "Actually the more I think about it Run DMC is probably the best answer"
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See #41

  

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68. "I mean seriously"
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Adidas started to brand their band name on sweatshirts soley based on the My Adidas track only one year after it was released.

I remember just staring at this thing in a Dunhams store back in like 87/88

http://classickicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/run-dmc-adidas-vintage.jpg

Lies run sprints.
Truths run marathons.

  

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70. "Yeah. I think we forget that because they were benevolent rulers"
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But they had similar star power to all the ones we named and were indisputably at the top...I mean the Beasties had to ride on their coattails a bit to get recognition

  

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71. "Not sure if I understand the question but in my opinion"
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Public Enemy...they toured with Anthrax in the 80's and the cross over was incredible.

  

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72. "Aerosmith/Run DMC "Walk This Way" opened up a lane for that."
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>Public Enemy...they toured with Anthrax in the 80's and the
>cross over was incredible.

  

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79. "Yep, Bring the Noise was re done in 1991"
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Lies run sprints.
Truths run marathons.

  

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77. "Together Forever, ya know?!?!"
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I mean the Beasties had to ride
>on their coattails a bit to get recognition
>

Lies run sprints.
Truths run marathons.

  

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76. "DMX 1998/1999"
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Is the correct answer

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82. "3 answers: Em, Hov, 50."
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http://twitter.com/phenompyrus

Get Out the Room
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84. "RE: i think both kast and tribe gotta be in the convo."
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when they were at their hottest, nobody was really seeing either one of them

  

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85. "Run-Dmc, easy ..."
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Everyone after them used their marketing (BIG hiphop video releases, cross-genres collabos, movies, cartoons)and branding (think Adidas before them and after!).

1st album changed everything for hiphop.

edit: Their very first single "Its like that / Sucker MCs" reached #15 on the R&B charts! Think about that fam, we're talking in 1983!!!

Rappers would die to do that now, even with all the marketing and social acceptance of hip hop. 1983!!!

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89. "Drake?"
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90. "Dr.Dre with NWA and the Chronic"
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i mean come on Dr Dre got the love as a Producer, however he held his own as a MC and don't act like turkeys weren't jocking his flow style neither?

Dr.Dre had it on lock and the Chronic to alot of folks is the thriller of rap music. that time from 92-94 was magical don't even front.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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91. "Run DMC Hands Down"
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It's already been stated here by a few other folks but no one has really reached the levels that Run DMC was at from about 85-88. They had everything...hit records, major national tours, respect from their peers, critical acclaim, sneaker deals. They are the Beatles of Hip Hop.

  

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94. "NOBODY has ever been as big as Run-DMC was in 1986"
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doesn't matter who you name, from any time period
you couldn't get a tick for that whole tour within a day or so, that shit was ridic both then and now

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