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Joe Corn Mo
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"it's a damn shame that i don't even try to like new music anymore."


  

          

i don't even try to form an opinion on
whether any of the stuff in the top 40 is good or not.
i just realize that the new crop of artists
are not for me... and it's up to the people that love that music
to decide whethere it's good or bad.



it's not that i don't like ANY new music.
but most of the new music that i like
reminds me of old songs that i like.
(for instane, i dig lady gaga, but she sort of reminds me of madonna, and i like that.)



anyway... i'm not saying that the older generation of music
wasn't better. i still think the 60s and 70s
had more great music.

i still haven't seen an artists of today
that can compare to MJ or stevie or prince in their primes (or even past their primes)



but honestly, i don't feel it's my place to judge what
the "kids" are listening to.



when it comes to new music,
i think my "old" ass needs to stfu.
(i just turned 29, btw).



  

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lol well i listen to whatever crosses my path but i damn sure
Jan 04th 2012
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Some artists though take a few listens to get into
Jan 04th 2012
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      i don't have the patience. now i agree that can be the case
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you'll live.
Jan 04th 2012
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secretly
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you won't care.
Jan 04th 2012
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      i'm kind of at that point
Jan 04th 2012
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           every fam member tells me this and now i read yalls posts
Jan 04th 2012
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           you may not turn out like that. all the people i know who listen to
Jan 04th 2012
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                i don't listen to top40 shit now...besides what OKP hates on
Jan 04th 2012
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                     Feel you on this
Jan 04th 2012
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           better off that way
Jan 04th 2012
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No offense, but you're lazy.
Jan 04th 2012
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not lazy, just uninterested.
Jan 04th 2012
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it's supposed to be fun, not work.
Jan 04th 2012
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Understood.
Jan 04th 2012
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Actually, this has contributed to me listening to LESS new music too
Jan 05th 2012
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      Nobody has taken away your option to turn on the radio
Jan 05th 2012
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           Technically, I don't own a radio.
Jan 05th 2012
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           You were talking about weeding through all the shit that's out there
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                you seem to be misunderstanding me, though.
Jan 05th 2012
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                     Yeah maybe I misunderstood
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                          Because it's too overwhelming.
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                               What you're saying still doesn't make sense to me
Jan 05th 2012
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                                    ahhhhh....
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                                         So now I'm a dimwit because you can't walk into a record store?
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                                              No.
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                                                   I told you it wasn't that big a deal
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                                                        I didn't insult you.
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                                                             This type of shit is actually more insulting really
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                                                                  I apologize if I offended you.
Jan 05th 2012
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                                                                       I appreciate that but I don't need an apology
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                                                                            okay.
Jan 05th 2012
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           Finding new music today is pretty damn easy....lol.
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I never really went out of my way for pop music
Jan 04th 2012
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I don't try to like new popular music
Jan 04th 2012
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I just get bored listening to the same stuff over and over
Jan 04th 2012
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Lol
Jan 04th 2012
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      Give it three-four concentrated listens in a row
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           RE: Give it three-four concentrated listens in a row
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cream rises
Jan 04th 2012
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it's because you're old.
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He's 29
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2 things....
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      Don't even respond
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And ppl wonder how folks in their 50s/60s listen to elevator music
Jan 04th 2012
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elevator music = marketing to 50-60 year olds?
Jan 04th 2012
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marketing was the wrong word, but you get the point..hopefully
Jan 04th 2012
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Change elevator music to smooth jazz
Jan 05th 2012
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      does smooth jazz even still exist?
Jan 05th 2012
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           I was surprise (pleasantly) to see our local station changed format
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           yeah, the format is in decline
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                RE: yeah, the format is in decline
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                     LOL
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                          I take some bit of umbrage w/the idea that it comes from 'new age'
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                               Yep
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           Yep. My parents (in their 60s) love it, go to concerts and all that shit
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Most folks grow out of top 40 stuff by your age
Jan 04th 2012
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I guess I'm sort of the same way.
Jan 04th 2012
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This is a good post
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lol
Jan 04th 2012
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      wow i didn't even get the "lulz" this time
Jan 04th 2012
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outside of OKP and the artists they champion,
Jan 04th 2012
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See, I hate the argument/division on both sides of this.
Jan 04th 2012
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LMAO. You've basically summarized every Youtube Comments
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i have no real interest in new Top 40
Jan 04th 2012
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Let's say you are right.
Jan 05th 2012
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Two Things Happened To Me That Made Me Lose Interest In Most of Today's ...
Jan 05th 2012
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ALL new music reminds me of old stuff, whether I like it or not...
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That's another good point:
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total cosign on that.
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I made a post about this close to 3 years ago
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      woe is the old professional man!
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           lol
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                LOL
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I figured out what it is, man. Underdeveloped talent
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I don't look for new artist at all....
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i agree.
Jan 05th 2012
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The demise of record store culture is what...
Jan 05th 2012
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'curatorial filters'... I like that!
Jan 05th 2012
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I've heard a similar phrase
Jan 05th 2012
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I guess so!
Jan 08th 2012
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RE: The demise of record store culture is what...
Jan 05th 2012
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Even my 19 year old daughter was bitching about this
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there's a solution to your daughter's problem: MP3 blogs
Jan 06th 2012
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      you are totally missing the central point of OP's post
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           RE: you are totally missing the central point of OP's post
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           Yeah
Jan 06th 2012
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i wasn't hitting up record stores much anymore even before
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      My tipping point was the copy protected albums
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           yeah and the FBI logos and shit.
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the importance of music in my life is diminishing rapidly
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I think this ties into
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it's hard for older folks to have same sense of discovery w/ new artists...
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      but where do your expectations play into it
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      hmmmm
Jan 11th 2012
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      i'm likely significantly older than you
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funny how much of a turn this post took
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starting to smell like mothballs and bengay up in this bitch
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where else was it going?
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      a wholesale indictment on potna's mentality?
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      That's where I was going too
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      for what?
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      but did you hear the ballads on "invincible?"
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      It's because in the end B ain't MJ
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           Basically.
Jan 08th 2012
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      are you saying that we establish biases towards certain
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           I'm saying the lesson has bias towards certain arguments
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                This was bound to happen though
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                     lol. ouch.
Jan 11th 2012
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      LOL
Jan 05th 2012
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           Imagine if Sowhat could do cliff notes versions of every thread
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                that shit wouldn't fly in general discussion, though.
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mwasi kitoko
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1. "lol well i listen to whatever crosses my path but i damn sure"
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Wed Jan-04-12 02:42 PM by mwasi kitoko

  

          

don't force shit
like i've seen people comment on stuff on some 'i don't like it...but let me give it more spins'
naw
if it doesn't grab me on first listen then fuck it
but i definitely give all types of artists a try
from the obscure to the top 40
but honestly if it wasn't for okp and having a 14 year old sister
i'd rarely hear anything new
i listen to mostly old(er) artists
but people like frank ocean, dawn richard, the weeknd, etc
have found their way into my rotation

edit: i turn 30 in may

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http://therapfest.com/up-next-artists/

  

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debo40oz
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6. "Some artists though take a few listens to get into"
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at least for me

  

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mwasi kitoko
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7. "i don't have the patience. now i agree that can be the case"
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and i've had artists who i didn't really like at first grow on me
but it wasn't because i tried to like them
i had to hear their music again through someone else
i have way too much music and i also make music
i give shit the a&r listen most of the time lol
if it don't grab me in the first 20 seconds i'm like NEXT!

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SoWhat
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2. "you'll live."
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fuck you.

  

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Former_Day_Saint
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3. "secretly"
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i pray i never see this day.

like no ethusiasm for newshit. ugh

listening to boring shit like Kem thinking its hot like my old ass uncle

i think if/when this does happen i'll just scale back in listen to old music from genres i usually dont fuck wit.

  

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Joe Corn Mo
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4. "you won't care."
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somebody will mention a song
that apparently has been everywhere...

and you won't have heard it.

but you won't have any desire go seek it out.
you just won't care.




>i think if/when this does happen i'll just scale back in
>listen to old music from genres i usually dont fuck wit.



and yeah, i kind of did this, w/o really thinking about it.
i still discover new music.

but none of it is new.

  

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mwasi kitoko
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5. "i'm kind of at that point"
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like i had to hear niggas in paris by accident at work
whereas maybe 5 years ago i would have downloaded the album
hoping there was something i liked on it

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Former_Day_Saint
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8. "every fam member tells me this and now i read yalls posts"
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:(

  

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mwasi kitoko
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14. "you may not turn out like that. all the people i know who listen to"
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top 40 shit/new shit are my age
i'm usually the odd one out

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Former_Day_Saint
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18. "i don't listen to top40 shit now...besides what OKP hates on"
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shit im already slowly not giving a fuck about blogs.

however...i just got Spotify and it is rekindling that flame within

i guess i just get tired of looking for CDQ mp3s, downloading, re-tagging and syncing ipod all that shit is beginning to take its toll.

  

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27. "Feel you on this"
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>i guess i just get tired of looking for CDQ mp3s, downloading,
>re-tagging and syncing ipod all that shit is beginning to take
>its toll.

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AlBundy
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34. "better off that way"
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i downloaded it. now i cant get that 45 minutes back

  

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9. "No offense, but you're lazy."
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Due to the ease of music technology, more people are making music. With so many people cranking out LP's, EP's, mixtapes, podcasts, etc, there's always something being made that is "for you". Like, there are so many sub genres of genres that it's kinda mind boggling.

Are you reading any blogs?
Podcasts?
Visiting bandcamp?
Taking any chances on someone you've never heard of?
Going to live shows?
Avoiding the SKIP button on your Pandora station?
Doing some research on Wikipedia? Last.fm?

Again, I give people the side eye when they proclaim nothing is good. Sure there's more to sort through, but there's always something out there for somebody.

And this line?

>i still haven't seen an artists of today
>that can compare to MJ or stevie or prince in their primes (or
>even past their primes)

....that's not really fair to the artists making work today. If you don't like it you don't like it. But to say, "This ain't no Innervisions!" That's unfair. I guess I'd really need to know how you find new music in order to really form an appropriate response to your post, but I'm finding out new artists all the time. My problem is that I don't have the time to listen to all the new stuff dropping.

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11. "not lazy, just uninterested."
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it's cool that new music is still a hobby for you. yay.

he's lost interest in it. that's fine for him.

ppl's interests change. it's life.

fuck you.

  

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13. "it's supposed to be fun, not work."
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Wed Jan-04-12 03:14 PM by Joe Corn Mo

  

          

i know how the process works.
if i wanted to go out of my way to discover new music,
i could.


it would require me to give lots of new artists
SEVERAL listens... even if i didn't like it the first time.

it would require me to absorb the aestic of whatever the
artist is trying to do.

and over time, i would learn to appreciate
the new artists coming out...
and i would break out of the "it all sounds the same" trap
that it's easy to fall into when a certain type of music
is foreign to you.



but here's the rub...


i really don't feel like doing that.
i've been through that process before.
with serveral different genres of music.

at some point in my life, it was a lot of fun
to challenge myself and expand my musical pallate.



but i'm not at that point anymore.
not with music, at least.

as far as music goes, i'm conent w/ listening
to p-funk albums again and again.
(and there's always more p-funk to discover)

at this point, i'd rather just listen to what i already like.




there are lots of areas in my life
where i enjoy challenging myself
and expanding my horizons.


music is not one of those areas anymore.

like SoWhat said, "i'll live."



>Again, I give people the side eye when they proclaim nothing
>is good. Sure there's more to sort through, but there's
>always something out there for somebody.
>
>



EDIT: i never said there was no new music out that was good.
i said that it's not my place to decide whether it's good or bad.
b/c i hate most of the new music coming out.

i realize that has more to do with me w/ the artist.

  

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16. "Understood."
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And this I can understand.

>as far as music goes, i'm conent w/ listening
>to p-funk albums again and again.
>(and there's always more p-funk to discover)
>
>at this point, i'd rather just listen to what i already like.

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45. "Actually, this has contributed to me listening to LESS new music too"
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>Due to the ease of music technology, more people are making
>music. With so many people cranking out LP's, EP's, mixtapes,
>podcasts, etc, there's always something being made that is
>"for you". Like, there are so many sub genres of genres that
>it's kinda mind boggling.

Exactly. It's mind-boggling.

Due to technology making it easier to produce and distribute music, there is WAY too much stuff out there and much too much of it isn't very good.

I'm sorry, but I just don't have the time and energy to sift through all that chaff in order to harvest a few grains of wheat.

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52. "Nobody has taken away your option to turn on the radio"
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>Due to technology making it easier to produce and distribute
>music, there is WAY too much stuff out there and much too much
>of it isn't very good.
>
>I'm sorry, but I just don't have the time and energy to sift
>through all that chaff in order to harvest a few grains of
>wheat.

Or watch the daily video shows... all the stuff you're talking about wouldn't even be around if not for the internet. Of course you can choose not to seek any of it out but to say it's leading to being less interested just makes no sense.
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AFKAP_of_Darkness
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54. "Technically, I don't own a radio."
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Thu Jan-05-12 11:13 AM by AFKAP_of_Darkness

  

          

But I do watch video shows on BET, MTV, MTV2, VH1, VH1 Soul, FUSE, etc. both because I like having those things on in the background when I'm writing or drawing and also because I kinda have to watch these channels for the J-O.

So yeah... I know what's going on there. I don't have my head buried in the sand and I'm not an ignorant Luddite.

It just so happens that a lot of the stuff out there ain't exciting me. I'm not blaming the music of today... It's me. (Well, maybe it's the music too. Actually, yes... it is.)

EDIT: wait a minute... what stuff did I talk about that are you saying wouldn't be around if not for the Internet?

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58. "You were talking about weeding through all the shit that's out there"
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>EDIT: wait a minute... what stuff did I talk about that are
>you saying wouldn't be around if not for the Internet?

It's definitely a daunting task to keep up. I know I do my best but I'm always finding shit that's 2-3 years old I missed and really like.

I perfectly understand not wanting to put the effort into seeking out music. But my point was people can still follow the old model if they so choose. I don't really think you're less interested because it's become harder as much as you're just not interested in what's easily accessed.

And today if you have a computer you have a radio
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60. "you seem to be misunderstanding me, though."
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>I perfectly understand not wanting to put the effort into
>seeking out music. But my point was people can still follow
>the old model if they so choose. I don't really think you're
>less interested because it's become harder as much as you're
>just not interested in what's easily accessed.

I don't think I suggested by any means that the old models no longer existed. I was responding directly to someone who said that you are "lazy" if you're not trawling through blogs, podcasts, SoundCloud and Bandcamp 24-7 looking for new stuff. I got other things I need to spend that time and energy on.

Actually, that's not even true... Because I probably put that much time and energy into researching and hunting down older stuff. So at the end of the day, perhaps I don't find most new music to be worth the effort... and I already did allow for that possibility.

Still, I will say that the current "model" (if it can be called that) is a big factor. As much as music is supposedly "free" now, it's much harder to find... good stuff, anyway. I miss the "curatorial filters" BSharp referred to below, and I miss the social/cultural aspect of music because I'm not a pathetic, antisocial shut-in like Warren Coolidge. Endlessly downloading music in isolation is joyless to me. Music as a whole just does not occupy the same cultural space it once did, which makes a lot of new stuff inconsequential to me.

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62. "Yeah maybe I misunderstood"
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I was responding to this

"Actually, this has contributed to me listening to LESS new music too"

That confused me because if it was just being overwhelmed by the sheer volume of stuff out on the internet you could fall back to the old model... that is unless you're not interested in what's being offered in the mainstream. In which case the same vehicle you're saying is too much trouble is the other option... an option that use to not even exists. I'm just confused as to how that could make someone listen to less new music than before that option even existed.

Help me out here.
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63. "Because it's too overwhelming."
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>That confused me because if it was just being overwhelmed by
>the sheer volume of stuff out on the internet you could fall
>back to the old model... that is unless you're not interested
>in what's being offered in the mainstream. In which case the
>same vehicle you're saying is too much trouble is the other
>option... an option that use to not even exists. I'm just
>confused as to how that could make someone listen to less new
>music than before that option even existed.
>
>Help me out here.

I've always said that as much people rail against record companies and how they limited the amount of music released to us, I was always somewhat grateful to them for that on some level.

I used to work in a big record store, and I would look at the 100s of shelves flowing over with CDs and think "damn... this is a lot of shit. where would someone (without a lot of knowledge) even start to go through all this to find stuff they liked?" And mind you: this was WITH the "curatorial filter" of the record labels!

Now: without the filter, anybody who wants to make music can put it out... there's no quality control. At least in the past, there were certain labels I trusted to always release good shit, or certain artists/producers/musicians, etc.

To some degree, those filters still exist, I guess.... Like there could be a blog/podcast/online station that you trust to direct you to stuff that is within your taste... But I will say that where new music is concerned, I still end up having to sift through like a 7:1 ratio of stuff I don't like to what I do like. I don't have the time for that. So yeah... I probably end up listening to less.

It takes us back to that controversial post "If Your Album is Free, I don't Respect it"... "LANKS" are a dime a dozen and for the most part, unless I know you or have some reason to expect good stuff from you, I ignore them all. The fact that there is more stuff out there and it's more easily accessible does not make me want to listen to it more... For me, it has the opposite effect of making me not want to listen to it at all.

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65. "What you're saying still doesn't make sense to me"
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In that you're complaining about an option that wasn't around 15 years ago while the old model is still alive and kicking. If your disinterest was as simple as volume you would just keep using the old system and ignore the fringe stuff. What I really hear you saying is this new way has put stuff into the market place you might be interested in but you don't have the desire to sift though it all... but that's still different than saying the new way has made you less interested in new music. Without that delivery system it wouldn't even be out there and you'd have no choice but to follow the old model... or just lose interest. To me it sounds like with or without the new way you'd be just as disinterested as you are now.

*shrugs*

Not really a big issue but just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.


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69. "ahhhhh...."
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Come on, OP... Why are you being obtuse?

>In that you're complaining about an option that wasn't around
>15 years ago while the old model is still alive and kicking.
>If your disinterest was as simple as volume you would just
>keep using the old system and ignore the fringe stuff. What I
>really hear you saying is this new way has put stuff into the
>market place you might be interested in but you don't have the
>desire to sift though it all... but that's still different
>than saying the new way has made you less interested in new
>music. Without that delivery system it wouldn't even be out
>there and you'd have no choice but to follow the old model...
>or just lose interest. To me it sounds like with or without
>the new way you'd be just as disinterested as you are now.
>
>*shrugs*
>
>Not really a big issue but just wanted to make sure I wasn't
>missing something.

Okay... maybe the thing you are missing is the context of this whole discussion which I'd assume would have been implicitly evident to anybody who has been following the music scene over the past decade or so: ie the (surviving) instruments of the "old model" SUCK.

I'm not gonna listen to the radio. I was not listening to the radio 7 years ago so I'm not gonna start now when the situation over there are much, much more dire.

Video channels play the same 10 payola artists over and over. There's nothing for me there.

None of this is new, of course... so what instruments did I use in the past?

1. Record stores, particularly independent ones. Most of them are closed down.
2. Hip magazines. They are also gone.

There are others too, but there's no need to list them... they're dead as well.

So really, your assertion that the "old model" still exists unscathed is actually not true at all. Unless you are assuming that the model is wholly encompassed by radio, which I had little interest in even before filesharing blew up.

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72. "So now I'm a dimwit because you can't walk into a record store?"
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Every avenue you once used is still there man... if you were bypassing radio then you were putting more effort into finding shit then than the average person does now. Following a couple blogs and a good internet radio station would provide you with more than you used to get out of walking into a record store and searching through the bins. Of course if you were working in the store and had access to everything then this really is a case of you just being lazy... or just not interested enough for the effort. Blaming the availability is a cop out imo.
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75. "No."
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And I think we'd better just drop this conversation before it goes foul.

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76. "I told you it wasn't that big a deal"
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But for some reason you felt it was appropriate to insult me because I took acceptation to you saying the increased availability of new music has hindered your consumption.

Neither of us has to agree with the other but sometimes the way you get all indignant at being challenged on a statement you make is disappointing. You have never had a problem picking apart another posters statement... right down to the smallest inconsistency. You're done it with me many times.

That said it still isn't that big a deal to me... still doesn't mean you shouldn't be called on what you did here.
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78. "I didn't insult you."
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You mean because I said you were being obtuse? I meant to type "deliberately obtuse" but I dropped a word. In any case, I don't think it comes off as an insult, but if you interpreted it that way, I truly regret it.

In any case, I am not indignant at all and I was worried that the tone of my messages was coming off that way... I'm not upset but I am a bit frustrated that it seems to me like you are missing what I am saying on purpose just to prove a point. I mean, I don't need you to *agree* with me, but I think you at least understand it and you are acting like you don't... I mean, you even talked in a post below about the loss of record store culture and here I am up here having to explain it.

I think you DO know what I am talking about.

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80. "This type of shit is actually more insulting really"
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>I think you DO know what I am talking about.

Saying I'm was being obtuse was questioning my intelligence or implying I'm some dimwit... now you're saying I'm intentionally fucking with you. My man I've known you on here way too long to just up and fuck with you for no reason... Hell I rarely do that to people I don't like.

When I made the post below, I didn't know you used the record store as the main way to discover new music. But as said it's actually easier to get the same results... what's missing is the social component.

I just wanted to be clear in what you were saying... I do understand now... we just don't agree it's as big a hindrance or a reason to lose interest. But if you believe that that's all that really matters.

Seriously though I wasn't just fucking with you.

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81. "I apologize if I offended you."
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It was not my intention.

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83. "I appreciate that but I don't need an apology"
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Just the understanding I'm not fuckin with you just for sport
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84. "okay."
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100. "Finding new music today is pretty damn easy....lol."
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I mean I guess for someone who isn't internet savy it would be a challenge.... But for a person to find new music they enjoy today is easier than it's ever been. Sure where they was more variety and such in mainstream venues a person had some choices, but even with that those choices were selected for you...

I mean now a person can cater their musical experience towards the specific type of music they are into and although it's still being made available by others, it's a more direct relationship so to speak..

New and interesting music actually comes to you in a sense when you patronize certain sites and avenues...finding and purchasing is just a few clicks away.... I mean that's actually easier than doing it in the traditional way..

so yeah..maybe either laziness or a simple lack of desire to find new things may be at the core of why someone would be dissinterested in new music.

  

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10. "I never really went out of my way for pop music"
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like it was just there.

  

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12. "I don't try to like new popular music"
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Or more correctly, I don't go out of my way to hear it. Eventually I end up hearing what's popular because of my girlfriend or little sister, but I'm probably way late half the time and I'm ok with that.

Now, as far as the types of music I'm into I'm still just as excited for that as I've ever been. I keep track of release dates, monitor my amazon wishlist, etc. I love new music, but it's mostly stuff only 500 to 100,000 people might eff with. *shrug*








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15. "I just get bored listening to the same stuff over and over"
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Like, there are albums I feel like I've heard TONS of times over and over like, say, KRIT's Returnof4eva last year, but turns out it's only been about 20 times.

Or more recently I thought I had Drake's album on repeat all day but apparently I've only listened to it ten times.

Maybe iTunes is dumb. More likely I just need to hear something new whether I think I'll like it or not sooner than later.

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28. "Lol"
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Arent you the dude with the extensive rating system for every album to ever come out?

How do you accurately rate shit when you don't spend time with it?

I'm sorry but that type of shit is what's wrong with music.

The internet made it possible for anyone to be a critic.

People hear shit once and then rate the album.

Smh

  

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30. "Give it three-four concentrated listens in a row"
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after spending about a week listening to it off and on.

I've never put any weight in the longevity of something, so whether I'm listening to something in 2012 really doesn't have any effect on how good I think it was for 2011. I listened to Pilot Talk more than any album since probably Hell Hath No Fury, well close to 100 times taking into account other people's cars, parties, my own personal CD and so on added to iTunes/Pod spins. I still wouldn't say it's a better album than MBDTF or KRIT Wuz Here from 2010, or any of the other 55 albums that sit above it on the big list.

The rating system is for my own personal fun, I'm not too concerned what anyone else comments on it. I've got 500-1,000 word reviews for anything that's in those rankings as well, and that's really what I consider worth talking about. The numbers are completely non-objective; I've said as much in other threads about music criticism. They're just there for me to make a list in a nerdy, overly complex way and spark some bullshit water cooler conversation if someone wants to. They're not solid, ever; Thank Me Later jumped 233 spots after a year's worth of listening this summer, and it's documented right there on the front page. The fickleness of it is owned from the jump:

"As this list has grown, it's no longer my intention that this is an exact ranking of the albums within the list. I use it that way, but I've come to think of the list more as peer groups of 50, with any release in a given set of 50 releases being relatively equal."

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32. "RE: Give it three-four concentrated listens in a row"
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>
>I also don't believe that I'd think something is higher or
>lower quality after 30 listens than I did at 10, past a
>certain point it's all about nostalgia and attaching memories
>to one song versus another than the music on its own.
>


I don't agree with this at all. There are many albums that it takes a while to pick up on and also albums that take a while to notice how much you actually like it. You could listen to it 20 times in a row and like it and then give it a rest for like 3 months or so, break it out and realize you appreciate it much more than you did before. And this could work vice-versa as well. You could get hit off the bat and really love it because it has that new factor and then all of a sudden a year later, you don't even really like it.


>The rating system is for my own personal fun, I'm not too
>concerned what anyone else comments on it. I've got 500-1,000
>word reviews for anything that's in those rankings as well,
>and that's really what I consider worth talking about. The
>numbers are completely non-objective; I've said as much in
>other threads about music criticism.
>

I'm all doing it for fun, I just found it odd that you have that many ratings when you admit to just listening to albums a few time. Personally, I need more time to digest and process music I love.

  

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17. "cream rises"
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as I've gotten older I don't hunt as much, instead waiting for the good stuff to reveal itself (find a trusted source, or when I hear someone raving i'll check it out)

s'cheaper and end up with a lot less duds this way

  

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19. "it's because you're old."
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concede it and move on. don't blame the music or the kids.

  

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22. "He's 29"
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26. "2 things...."
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>concede it and move on. don't blame the music or the kids.


1) when did i blame the music or the kids?
i said flat out that it was my own feelings changing.


2) there are clearly eras of music that were stronger than this one.
no way you're telling me our era has any stevie's or marvin's or MJ's.
these type's of artists just haven't emerged yet.
they don't have any successors (yet).

that's not to say ALL of it sucks. the fact that it ALL sounds sucky is on me.
but i'll be damned if you can tell me there hasn't been a decline.
that's not me being old. that's just a fact.



EDIT: maybe i'm contradicting myself here.
maybe there is some stevie wonder level talent out there
that it making genius europop.

but i'll never know about it, b/c i can't stand to listen to it.
so... forget about number 2.

like i said, it's not my place to say.
i'll just roll w/ number 1 as my final answer on the subject.


  

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29. "Don't even respond"
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He is consistently the most ignorant person on these boards.

  

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20. "And ppl wonder how folks in their 50s/60s listen to elevator music"
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well this is how. They stopped seeking new music and passively received whatever was best marketed to them.

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21. "elevator music = marketing to 50-60 year olds?"
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comedy

  

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23. "marketing was the wrong word, but you get the point..hopefully"
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50. "Change elevator music to smooth jazz"
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51. "does smooth jazz even still exist?"
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It's disappearing as a radio format and right now I'm finding it hard to even think of any artists who consistently make albums in that vein?

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53. "I was surprise (pleasantly) to see our local station changed format "
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it had been going strong since about 89 or so... so maybe you're right and the format is on the way out. I still know way too many cats who play that shit and go to shows though. Anytime a dude like Sanborn comes to town they sell out. Sacramento was one of the biggest markets for the format... that's why it shocked me to find out 94.7 switched up.
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55. "yeah, the format is in decline"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smooth_jazz#Recent_problems

but at the same time, I don't see the likes of Sanborn and Najee starving anytime soon...

What did your station switch its format to?

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59. "RE: yeah, the format is in decline"
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Dude it makes me so happy to hear that you don't even know

>What did your station switch its format to?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KKDO

alternative rock

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That wiki link you threw up is HI-larious in more than a couple places lol

"Many purists of the format also feel that the smooth jazz interpretation has strayed too far from its roots in contemporary jazz and new age music by over-relying on soft urban vocals, with R&B artists such as Beyonce Knowles and Aretha Franklin now staples of many smooth-jazz playlists"

Smooth Jazz purists exist? lol





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61. "LOL"
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68. "I take some bit of umbrage w/the idea that it comes from 'new age'"
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at least, when I read that... that's not what I think of when I think of where "smooth jazz" started.

"smooth jazz" to me sounded like Instrumental R&B with jazz improvisation.

  

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74. "Yep"
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>"smooth jazz" to me sounded like Instrumental R&B with jazz
>improvisation.

Started by cats like Kenny G and Sanborn who played around with R&B early on.


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56. "Yep. My parents (in their 60s) love it, go to concerts and all that shit"
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"This is dedicated to whom it may concern."-Donny Hathaway

  

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24. "Most folks grow out of top 40 stuff by your age"
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By 29, you either know what you like and where to find it or you listen to the stuff you liked when you were young and in touch with music. As a grown man you shouldn't be listening to whatever Clear Channel and UMG tell you to.

  

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25. "I guess I'm sort of the same way."
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Although I wouldn't say I totally hate the new music.


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31. "This is a good post"
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I definitely understand and relate to what you're saying.

I don't really actively seek out new music.

After people talk about something enough, I'll check it out, like Kendrick Lamar and sometimes I'll even like the music but in most cases I can't believe what people are listening to.

And I agree that at our age we start to lose interest in finding what's 'hot'

And that's really the difference.

People who aren't really fans of music are only interested in what is 'hot' instead of what is good.

And people our age that are concerned with what is 'hot' are in most case immature in other aspects of their life.

Obviously not all, but you have to question any one trying to keep up with what 15 year olds are on.

Another interesting thing is when there are newer artists making music that is similar to what we really like. Sometimes they seem like they're just copying the originals which makes me not really appreciate them but then there are artists like Anthony Hamilton who I really like and can listen to.

I mean, if I had to live off of the music I have now on my iTunes I would be fine. I am usually interested when artists I like come out with new music but I am like you when you say you're just not interested in hearing and keeping up with all these new artists.

  

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37. "lol"
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38. "wow i didn't even get the "lulz" this time"
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your bitch ass is slacking.

  

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33. "outside of OKP and the artists they champion, "
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i wouldn't listen to music at all.

i'm about to turn 35 in about a month and while my drive to listen to new music has gotten stronger, it's still nothing like it was when i was 23 or 24.

i still like to listen to music alot, but rarely is it from a newer (21st century) artist. i'm wanting to get more into jazz and classic rock and soul and most of those albums are as old as I am now.

i think there's alot of quality music being made today, but the foundation of the music both style wise and thematically is so much different from the 'classic' sound that lasted until about the mid-90's.
so much so that i have a problem digesting it.

if not gravitating to it makes me old, then pen me that, but like other posters have said in this post, as you age, your interests and tastes change. and really unless you live in the club or have a younger mate, does anyone over the age of 25 REALLY need to know 'Moves Like Jagger'?

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35. "See, I hate the argument/division on both sides of this."
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I hate when people are always talkin on some "_____ isn't relevant" "Why are you listening to shit from the 90's, that was TWO decades ago!!!" "Music is supposed to progress, so leave the old techniques behind and make what's modern" "Play some NEW music from 2012, you're playing old shit, Mr. DJ"

But then I hate the whole "all new music sucks" "I have no interest in new music" "What's the difference between Drake and Meek Ross? They both suck" "I hate how it's never any new or real music on the radio, back in my day it was (yep, folks who grew up on MC Brains Oochie Coochie)" Etc etc. etc.

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102. "LMAO. You've basically summarized every Youtube Comments"
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section for music videos with those two POVs.


  

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36. "i have no real interest in new Top 40"
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but there's tons of new music to discover and appreciate. there's also tons of "new" old music for you to discover. it's just bad that you won't have enough time to discover it all.

i feel that if you really love music then the difficulty of finding music shouldn't deter you too much. hell, the harder to find, the more rewarding it is. i'm 27 now and i have more interest in music than i have ever had in my life.

  

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39. "Let's say you are right."
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I agree with you. I just bought innervisions with Christmas cash. Today looks like watery shit compared to it.

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40. "Two Things Happened To Me That Made Me Lose Interest In Most of Today's ..."
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1.The escapism factor is no longer needed. Like take P-Funk, Stevie, Prince, hell, not to mention MJ. Pick any of their albums, even the bad ones, and you're liable to live an experience lol well ok, not 20Ten, but you get my drift. You pick up the album, and skipping through the liner notes put the cherry on the top of the listening experience. Mind you, the escapism boiled down to the music, right? MJ might make a video, Prince might shoot a film but BOTH guys made their moves shrewdly to bring the attention to their music, not a distraction.

2. Artists no longer invested their times on "albums", they became more "singles" oriented. They became TOO invested on making their projects an EPIC as opposed to being invested in their projects, period. 9/10, when I listen to albums lately, I get ALL kinds of emotional detachment from these artists, how can you expect me to resonate with what you're saying when you don't even seem like you could give a goddamn? If it doesn't reach me emotionally, I don't miss with it AT ALL.

That being said, there're a few albums here & there that will grab my attention, but honestly? I tried the "I listen to everything" crap, but I'm finding myself more & more content finding solace in my old folks' crates and stuff like it. When I go back, I could ALWAYS stumble on something new, so, nobody can say that I listen to the same stuff over and over.

  

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41. "ALL new music reminds me of old stuff, whether I like it or not..."
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Even supposedly new genres in the past decade like, say, dubstep give me a strong 90's electronica vibe and don't even get me started on the "oontz"-stuff "every" OKP (including me) hate. I'm not saying it's EXACTLY the same but I don't find the differences significant enough to even bother doing some "heavy" work in order to understand it; I rather listen to old music in styles/eras I know I dig that I haven't heard before or in a long time than to wade through and research tons of new stuff just to find something I may find on the same level as some old shit I find comparable; it's a matter of convenience to me...

Maybe this "Been there done that"-attitude is part of getting older but I'm not sure about that because people in the past felt genuinely alienated by new musical styles. The thing is that I feel alienated and "old" by a lot of new stuff but music? Nah...

  

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47. "That's another good point:"
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The fact that popular culture as a whole has become so postmodern... It's almost like we as a culture have resigned ourselves to the idea that there just AREN'T any new ideas left and now it's all about finding new ways to present the old stuff.

So much music today seems to be either consciously or unconsciously evoking one bygone era or another and I just don't see the point of listening to that when I can actually go back and listen to records from said bygone era. Especially now thanks to the technology that I'm told I'm supposed to be using to listen to new music.

When I say that I don't listen to or care about much new music, it doesn't mean that I'm listening to the same records every day or that I'm now listening to Elevator music or (God forbid) Kem. It means that if I dig music from the 80s, or the 90s, or the 1930s... there are literally thousands of those records from those eras that I have not heard yet, and I'd mostly rather listen to those than to new shit that is trying to sound like that.

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73. "total cosign on that."
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fuck you.

  

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77. "I made a post about this close to 3 years ago"
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I said we were cycling back to tried and true sounds and styles... mixing and mashing them in a lot cases.

Funny seeing this accepted as a given now after being attacked the way I was for suggesting this would become the norm.


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85. "woe is the old professional man!"
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LOL

fuck you.

  

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86. "lol"
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hey sometimes we have to toot our own horn

get your mind out the gutter lol
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fuck you.

  

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42. "I figured out what it is, man. Underdeveloped talent"
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Alotta cats today
are just folks who start making music at 19 years old
and then release an album at 21.

You mention artists like Prince and Stevie
who are greats,
but even
the cats who weren't ICONS back then were cats who'd spent their life playing instruments or singing or honing their crafts.
So we had an industry full of cats who were seasoned artists and performers.
I mean peep how old those cats sounded.
Temptations, Donny Hathway and them were young dudes.
Otis Redding, Glenn Goines (whose birthday just passed Jan 2nd RIP)
Sam Cook...
All YOUNG DUDES with these mature voices.

I'm not saying you didn't have cats in the game back then who weren't artistically mature...
It's just wayyyy more prevalent today.

A guy like The Game said he was rapping 2 years when his first cd came out
And this is the story with many artists today
Very few of them hone their crafts
Many of the start making music a couple of years before releasing it

And this isn't some kind of damnation of the new scene
It's just an observation, because I do dig some of the shit

I also realize this why I don't gravitate towards many people as ARTISTS these days though
I gravitated toward Stevie, Prince, Donny, Sly etc because they had not only natural talent but DEVELOPED talent
And Sly and Donny were before my time
but I dug in the past to find shit that inspired me because new arists weren't doing shit for me, for the most part

I rarely see ANY cats today with any kind of developed talent

This is why I lost interest in "new" music at the age of 15

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43. "I don't look for new artist at all...."
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I've heard people talk about new cats but I have no interest in seeking them out because 99% of the time when I do I just can't relate.

You pretty much have to be in the industry, a child at heart or an A&R to appreciate the majority of music coming out now in my opinion.

I think it's a little odd for a 40 year old to discover and appreciate an Aesop Rocky or whatever dudes name is...


  

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44. "i agree."
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for all we know, justin bieber could develop into
the next stevie wonder. but we'll probablly never know
b/c if a few of his albums flop the label will drop him.


and beyond that, there is no scene to cultivate
the type of talent that you saw in the 60s or 70s.

take motown, for instance.
all those session musicians... they were jazz musicians.
so when those guys took stevie under his wing,
to show him different chords or whatever....
stevie was soaking in the experience of A LOT of talent.


and MJ, he was watching all of this. so when he,
who was already a groomed talent when he got to motown...
got a little older and was watching stevie record those classic albums... he soaked all of that in, too.





when you think about an ensembal like p-funk...
that combined doo wop vocal chops, but then combined that
with james brown's horns and rhythm section,
and combine that with the fact that you also had classiclaly trained
musicians.. and combine THAT with the fact that
all of these musicians were regularly hanigng out and jamming w/
other musicians in the local area.... it becomes clear that
an enesembel like that couldn't happen today.

and that's really not the artists of today's fault.
there is no scene where musicians just get together
like that and jam.



the closest thing we had to that was
in the early days of hip hop, when rappers were just
playing small clubs together, soaking in all the talent.

and the music that came out of that reflected that scene.




anyway, that was just a very long winded way of saying
that i agree with you. lol

  

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46. "The demise of record store culture is what..."
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...was the downfall for me. The power of the curatorial filters disappeared, and with it the real financial incentive for a record store to stock good music that they can actually recommend and will actually sell.

Now there is an infinite amount of music coming out, with the curatorial filters working within completely different market forces. They don't have to sell their product, they have to sell advertising, or they have to sell their writing to a magazine or website that has to sell advertising.

I suppose maybe it's always been that way. It makes me sick to think that dude Tom Breihan (Formerly of PItchfork) was the most influential critic in hip hop for a year or two. I just picture a dude walking into a record store and checking out the hip hop section one day for the first time, and then soon enough, everyone is inexplicably crowding around him to hear what *he* has to say about a record that you probably wouldn't care about otherwise, and people are actually persuaded to care.

I miss the routine of going to the record store a few times a week to discover and share new music.

  

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48. "'curatorial filters'... I like that!"
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Did you coin that?

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From the head of Ghostly Records which they think of as a curatorial label.
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109. "I guess so! "
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I certainly didn't lift it from somewhere else. Hooray for vocabulary.

  

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49. "RE: The demise of record store culture is what..."
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AGREEEEED!

>...was the downfall for me. The power of the curatorial
>filters disappeared, and with it the real financial incentive
>for a record store to stock good music that they can actually
>recommend and will actually sell.
>
>Now there is an infinite amount of music coming out, with the
>curatorial filters working within completely different market
>forces. They don't have to sell their product, they have to
>sell advertising, or they have to sell their writing to a
>magazine or website that has to sell advertising.
>
>I suppose maybe it's always been that way. It makes me sick
>to think that dude Tom Breihan (Formerly of PItchfork) was the
>most influential critic in hip hop for a year or two. I just
>picture a dude walking into a record store and checking out
>the hip hop section one day for the first time, and then soon
>enough, everyone is inexplicably crowding around him to hear
>what *he* has to say about a record that you probably wouldn't
>care about otherwise, and people are actually persuaded to
>care.
>
>I miss the routine of going to the record store a few times a
>week to discover and share new music.


lurkin since 1999. werd.

  

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57. "Even my 19 year old daughter was bitching about this"
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Her record store experience was a little different than mine... my memories are of buying vinyl at places like Tower while her's was CD listening stations at Virgin... but her main grip was the same. She misses "having a place to go" to find music. It really started to hit me just how much the social landscape has changed for young people. Where as we had record stores, video arcades and movie theaters to gather in, they are home downloading and playing games online... yeah the movie theater is still there but even it's hitting had times. Yeah they have embraced the online culture but I think it's also opening up a void. Young people still have the desire to kick it but their options are just fewer and far between now. I've been thinking there is a great business opportunity out there for bringing the arcade record store into the 21st century. Imagine a coffee lounge where you had mp3 download stations and xbox live zones. A place they could go hang out and do the things they normally would be doing alone at home. I really do think that shit would take off. If I still has the funds I had 10 years ago I might have made a run at this.
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105. "there's a solution to your daughter's problem: MP3 blogs"
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is it the same as being in the record store? No. But....she can discover lots of great music, and I mean lots. I cannot tell you how much great current music I've found since I discovered mp3 blogs back in 2008. It's immeasurable.



>Her record store experience was a little different than
>mine... my memories are of buying vinyl at places like Tower
>while her's was CD listening stations at Virgin... but her
>main grip was the same. She misses "having a place to go" to
>find music. It really started to hit me just how much the
>social landscape has changed for young people. Where as we had
>record stores, video arcades and movie theaters to gather in,
>they are home downloading and playing games online... yeah the
>movie theater is still there but even it's hitting had times.
>Yeah they have embraced the online culture but I think it's
>also opening up a void. Young people still have the desire to
>kick it but their options are just fewer and far between now.
>I've been thinking there is a great business opportunity out
>there for bringing the arcade record store into the 21st
>century. Imagine a coffee lounge where you had mp3 download
>stations and xbox live zones. A place they could go hang out
>and do the things they normally would be doing alone at home.
>I really do think that shit would take off. If I still has the
>funds I had 10 years ago I might have made a run at this.
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106. "you are totally missing the central point of OP's post"
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which is the social aspect of it.

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107. "RE: you are totally missing the central point of OP's post"
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>which is the social aspect of it.

ah yes, I see now, the actual act of going out to the store. Got it now. My apologies.

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108. "Yeah"
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>which is the social aspect of it.

Young people don't have nearly the options we did when it comes to places to go hang out for an hour or so. Now that I'm older I appreciate the convenience of everything now but I'm not too old to remember how we liked to get out when we were younger.
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67. "i wasn't hitting up record stores much anymore even before"
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they all disappeared. something about the experience had become stale. too routine.

ah...i think i remember what it was. i think the price of new CDs had jumped to a point higher than what i was willing to pay. so, too often i was visiting stores and leaving empty-handed. or, when i would buy something it was old music anyway. and i started hitting up used record stores more often and browsing through their older material. and then when i found P2Ps on the Internet i steadily lost interest in going to a used store to sift through vinyl when i could just search for whatever i wanted using the P2P. back then i was still downloading mp3s to burn on CD to play on my stereo or Discman. i'd still buy new CDs, but not as often as i had before the price increases.

then i bought my 1st portable mp3 player and suddenly it didn't make sense to go buy CDs so i could rip them to my harddrive as mp3s when i could just download mp3s from the Internet. so there was no point in going to record stores for anything (especially since it wasn't something i was doing w/friends any more b/c they were even more tech-savvy). so i stopped.

fuck you.

  

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70. "My tipping point was the copy protected albums"
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>then i bought my 1st portable mp3 player and suddenly it
>didn't make sense to go buy CDs so i could rip them to my
>harddrive as mp3s when i could just download mp3s from the
>Internet.

I was still buying the majority of the music I consumed until that first Anthony Hamilton album. I bought the album and brought it home to rip and found I couldn't... shortly after I noticed the little copy protection logo on the back. I was so pissed I could barely see straight... here I am supporting the artist and I have to go out and download a pirated copy to play on my mp3 player. That was when i said fuck it... I'll download pretty much everything and then buy the handful of albums I think are worth owning in a hard copy.

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71. "yeah and the FBI logos and shit."
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i remember frowning at those the 1st few times i saw them. i felt like a criminal just for buying music. and i was trying to do 'the right thing'. LOL

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64. "the importance of music in my life is diminishing rapidly"
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i have too much other shit going on in my iife to pay that much attention anymore and i really don't mind it.

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79. "I think this ties into"
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this - http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2645476&mesg_id=2645476&page=

But I'm not sure exactly how yet.
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82. "it's hard for older folks to have same sense of discovery w/ new artists..."
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we've consumed too much media.
it's way to hard to impress us.

shit, sometimes i'll see shit that's damn impressive...
but i just end up comparing it to other impressive stuff i've seen.



in other words... it's hard for me to become a stan
of a new artist, b/c the artists that i'm already a stan for
have already shown me show much.


my friend and i talked about this, but with movies.



it would be damn near impossible for a new movie
to impact me the way "the matrix" did,
b/c i'm not 15 anymore. i've already had that sense of discovery.

it would be hard for a new movie to recapture that magic. for me.
i'm sure there will be a movie that will come out that
will move teenagers the way i was moved by the matrix.

and while i will probally APPRECIATE that movie,
and maybe even like it a great deal...
it probablly won't change my life.






>this -
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2645476&mesg_id=2645476&page=
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>But I'm not sure exactly how yet.
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89. "but where do your expectations play into it"
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I mean I agree with you, perhaps there is a saturation point. But in the OP you mention finding a new MJ. That's a set up man. If you're looking for that artist. Not sure when your MJ stanning started but I'm going to assume that before that you couldn't have imagined an MJ, let alone the feeling that he brought to you. I'd say in latter years it's important to open oneself up to things coming at you from directions unassumed. If you're looking for the same feeling again you're setting yourself up. If you're not looking for that feeling you might just stumble on it.
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112. "hmmmm"
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I saw Matrix when i was already a little jaded. I saw it as an oversimplification of Descarte's 'brains floating in a vat' thing and viewed it as being tied up in old, dusty philosophy. The fact that it attempted to involve cutting edge technology was kinda contradictory imo cause the themes and concepts completely ignored any modern philosophy from 1900 on.

But I guess the point is....it's a growing old thing imo. The wide-eyed wonder of our youth is irretrievable.

But all that said...I still check out new things. I heard the new Drake album and think it's great. It's got that epic synth sound that people like nowadays but it's balanced out with a low-fi aesthetic characterized by alot of EQ filtering. I was surprised by the constraint on alot of the production and further surprised that lots of people genuinely like that kind of thing. To me, it sounded like the work of an obscure artist....not a pop sensation.

I can still dig new things. Not as romantic about it as when i was a kid. I mistakenly thought there was a musical revolution happening when I first heard Jazzanova. "This is really happening! Nothing will ever be the same again!" It's a combination of being really dumb when you're young and being really boring when you're old.



  

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113. "i'm likely significantly older than you"
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sure glad i don't feel the same way.

  

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87. "funny how much of a turn this post took"
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cause what you have here ain't *directly* related to loss of curators, mp3's, and payola.

>i don't even try to form an opinion on
>whether any of the stuff in the top 40 is good or not.
>i just realize that the new crop of artists
>are not for me... and it's up to the people that love that
>music
>to decide whethere it's good or bad.
>
>
>
>it's not that i don't like ANY new music.
>but most of the new music that i like
>reminds me of old songs that i like.
>(for instane, i dig lady gaga, but she sort of reminds me of
>madonna, and i like that.)
>
>
>
>anyway... i'm not saying that the older generation of music
>wasn't better. i still think the 60s and 70s
>had more great music.
>
>i still haven't seen an artists of today
>that can compare to MJ or stevie or prince in their primes (or
>even past their primes)
>
>
>
>but honestly, i don't feel it's my place to judge what
>the "kids" are listening to.
>
>
>
>when it comes to new music,
>i think my "old" ass needs to stfu.
>(i just turned 29, btw).
>
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88. "starting to smell like mothballs and bengay up in this bitch"
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91. "where else was it going?"
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we got the 'you old' responses.

i provided the 'no big whoop' responses.

someone else chimed in w/the tech updates aka 'check a blog; you old AND lazy' responses.

we covered everything, i thought.

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92. "a wholesale indictment on potna's mentality?"
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Like MJ's most last album is better than Bey's? Really?

Y'all just took the topic at face value and went into the justification.

I swear it coulda went differently before it went to the well worn topics.

  

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93. "That's where I was going too"
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94. "for what?"
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dude's no longer interested in new music. we went to the heart of the matter insteading of picking on him about the details of his example. it was clear that's not what the post was about. it wasn't a 'New Music by Youngsters' vs. 'New Music by Old Fogies' post.

but if you make that post i'm sure Guinness and imcvspl will cosign your points. LOL

fuck you.

  

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96. "but did you hear the ballads on "invincible?""
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>Like MJ's most last album is better than Bey's? Really?

nevermind me.
i'm a stan.

still, "butterflies" and "heaven can wait" and "break of dawn"
touch me more than any ballad i've ever heard beyonce sing.


but anyway, all of that is kind of beside the point.
b/c this wasn't a "old music > new music" post.

  

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99. "It's because in the end B ain't MJ"
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>still, "butterflies" and "heaven can wait" and "break of dawn"
>
>touch me more than any ballad i've ever heard beyonce sing.

and isn't really even in the same ballpark... there is more to an MJ song than just music and lyrics.


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110. "Basically."
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98. "are you saying that we establish biases towards certain "
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artists or sounds and then when the musical landscape changes you end up disappointed because you lost your 'pet' so to speak? in this case it would not be necessarily the fault of the new artist but just the, and it sounds odd saying this, the 'grief' over losing that emotional tie to the music.

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103. "I'm saying the lesson has bias towards certain arguments"
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And since we've pretty much run out of things that we actually want to talk about, we remix and rehash the same stuff we were saying from 01-05.

>artists or sounds and then when the musical landscape changes
>you end up disappointed because you lost your 'pet' so to
>speak? in this case it would not be necessarily the fault of
>the new artist but just the, and it sounds odd saying this,
>the 'grief' over losing that emotional tie to the music.

  

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104. "This was bound to happen though"
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>And since we've pretty much run out of things that we
>actually want to talk about, we remix and rehash the same
>stuff we were saying from 01-05.

Especially when you are dealing with a singular theme like music. Add that to the fact cats on here are hitting middle age and the repetitiveness is a natural result.



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111. "lol. ouch."
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95. "LOL"
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>we got the 'you old' responses.
>
>i provided the 'no big whoop' responses.
>
>someone else chimed in w/the tech updates aka 'check a blog;
>you old AND lazy' responses.
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>we covered everything, i thought.

  

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97. "Imagine if Sowhat could do cliff notes versions of every thread"
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Imagine the time we'd all save


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101. "that shit wouldn't fly in general discussion, though."
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somebody woudl come in and bamma up the cliff notes.



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