Imo, these are the 6 necessary lp's
- I wish my brother george was here - Del
- Bizarre Ride - Pharcyde
- 93 til - Souls
- No need for alarm - Del
- Fear Itself - Casual
- Labcabin - Pharcyde

And I think you need to have all the singles, b-sides, and rmx's from those records. (I think having Saafir's 1st one and the Wascals 1st one, plus Quinton's 12" makes the cipher complete)

No mention of Extra Prolific on purpose

But past the golden age, everybody kept putting out material

Del has at least 6 more records
If we consider Pharcyde's members they put out a couple more records
Casual put out more records
Souls put out more.
Hiero as a collective put out more.

I think i've heard bits and pieces of all of these records, but never sat down to really digest any of them.

What do you recommend?
What did you like after they'd gotten less popular?

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esp. the song 'frontlines'

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Chapter One: Testing the Waters
Humboldt Beginnings

Fatlip's Writer's block
Uncle Imani's Blackstardust
Slimkid3's - Legend of the Phoenix, Liberation and SlimKid3's Cafe


I'm a big fan of SlimKid3's solo work. Out of the 3 other pharcyde albums i'd say Humboldt is the best, chaper 1 had some good songs and plain rap was just plain ok (frontlines and network were good tho).

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The album (Montezuma's Revenge) is solid, if a little disappointing given the fact Prince Paul produced it, but that song is one of my favorites of the last couple of years.

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but they were so meh

maybe i need to revisit

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Hieroglyphics - 3rd Eye Vision
Full Circle is good too but 3rd Eye Vision is better

Casual - Meanwhile (this is like, circa 95-96. It's unmixed but still has the feel of their earlier stuff)
The Prose album is also floating out there too

Casual - He Think He Raw
Pep Love - Ascension

I like most of their catalog but for the later stuff I would start there

Souls - Trilogy is not that strong

For the past few years -
Casual been killing everything he has been on and I think Opio's two solo albums are good

Knicks yo
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Souls of Mischief "Montezuma's Revenge" which was mostly produced by Prince Paul and hosted by Del is really good and fairly recent. Their second album "No Man's Land" had a few bangers, but was disappointing overall. I never got a chance to hear the third one.

Pep Love's "Ascension" is a good record. It definitely has its flaws as a whole work, but Pep Love's flow and lyricism is undeniable.

Co-sign on Tre Hardson's "Liberation."

Fatlip's solo was decent. I need to break that one out if I can find it. I remember liking a lot of songs on it.

Hiero collective albums are also very good.. "Third Eye Vision" and "Full Circle."

I can listen to all of Casual's albums. The best of his solos after "Fear Itself" was probably "Smash Rockwell" although it lacked a cohesive sound/theme.

I was not really feeling any of the Souls solo albums aside from individual tracks here and there; although, I can't say that I've heard all of them either.

I've never listened to any Pharcyde album after the original 4 split so I couldn't tell you either way.

- Souls of Mischief - "Focus"
- Casual - "Meanwhile..."

* As a Del! fan from day one, Future Development is often the album I want to say is my favorite. (Though "IWMBGWH" slightly edges it out these days, they contend for the spot sometimes when asked my favorite) As far as content, it showed Del's abilities to blend different concepts and stories, while showing his humor, personality, and ideals throughout the album. From "braggadocio" to "storytelling", you get a little bit of everything. This, much like Casual's "Meanwhile...", is a very well sequenced album. I wish this had been released officially so the mixes were stronger because it features some of Del's best work.


* Souls record I believe was supposed to follow No Man's Land as far as timelines go. It was very strong production wise, very funky and at times "spacey", for lack of better term, and had some strong solo songs on them, i.e. "Shooting Stars" by Opio which is one of my favorite songs on the album. It feels closer to '93 Til in vibe than Trliogy sounded to either of the first 2 albums. When playing the albums in the order of 93,NML, and then Focus it makes sense to me because it feels like a mending of the 2 worlds and was a cohesively solid 1,2, and 3.

Casual's album recording wise I believe came between "Fear Itself" and "He Think He Raw". I am a huge fan of the production on this album. One of my favorite songs on this album is 'Who Do Dat'. The sameple for the beat was also used on Portishead's "Sour Times", which I am a huge fan of. ("The way that I'mma rock you though/take you deep like Jacque Cousteau/but show no compasssion/why?/cause I'm intergalactic/my mental react with unearthly tactics...") Casual really starts showing his evolution and strengths as an emcee as far as styles, cadences, and a great balance of story and "battle" rap songs. This album has a solid vibe throughout, it's focused musically. It's well sequenced and flows as an album, in my opinion.

Sorry if my descriptions sound type lame, just tried to word them as best I could in the moment.

After that, I would have to say both of Opios albums "Triangulation Station" and "Vultures Wisdom" are also 2 of my favorite Hiero releases and are both highly underrated albums

I am a fan of Hiero and check for the majority of the material they release. I'm looking forward to Phesto's solo debut as well as Tajai's new album "Rap Noire". I'm not sure what else is being rumored for release in the next year. They are all exceptional emcees with a lot of versatility and strengths.

Hiero releases for 2012 via Tajai

Tajai just released a mixtape of a lot of his features and unreleased songs called Machine Language.

2/28 OPIO-Vulture's Wisdom Vol. 2
3/6 PEP LOVE-The Rigmarole
3/13 PHESTO DEE-Background Check

In the works:
HIEROGLYPHICS X SLEEPROCKERS-The Kitchen
CASUAL x DJ FRESH-He Still Think He Raw
TAJAI x UNJUST-Rap Noir
A-PLUS-The Return of Good Time Charlie
DEL x AUTOMATOR-Deltron Event II

4. Casual - Smash Rockwell 5. Opio - Vulture's Wisdom

Outside of what you mentioned those are my top 5 Hiero releases.

Everything else is pretty hit or miss to me.

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that's a great reply austin, and I agree with you. Labcabin has had the most staying power with me

great post...

lurkin since 1999. werd.

Particularly, anti-fun.

It seems to have taken hold pretty well in the last 10 years, or so.

and I'm not sure if that's better than '93 Till.

Partly because everybody frowned upon Brown and Imani being the only remaining members. Also because it didn't sound like the older material. What you have to understand is that Brown and imani had a very cohesive new-wave-funk type of sound on the album. It was their direction with help from spaceboy boogie x. I thouroughly enjoy the album on a regular basis.

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because to me that was when he was at his lyrical apex. Circa 2000, He was hungry, he could rip you a new one, his production was otherworldly. The albums after that, though, I'm still not sure what direction he's trying to go with them. He has downsized his vocab and lyrical prowess. Not ro mention his beats are a little less intriguing. Del is in my top 10 and' I'll ride for dude til the end, but post BSOTB is just a little less than stellar for me.

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his work on Parallel Universes is pretty good. But is it amazing how much dude has completely fallen off both in terms of his rapping and producing, especially given how much he referenced up his music theory studying years ago.

THis and Deltron dropping 6 months apart was greatness

>because to me that was when he was at his lyrical apex. Circa
>2000, He was hungry, he could rip you a new one, his
>production was otherworldly. The albums after that, though,
>I'm still not sure what direction he's trying to go with them.
>He has downsized his vocab and lyrical prowess. Not ro mention
>his beats are a little less intriguing. Del is in my top 10
>and' I'll ride for dude til the end, but post BSOTB is just a
>little less than stellar for me.

Knicks yo
Cowboys yo

>THis and Deltron dropping 6 months apart was greatness
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Del thought his job was done by just showing up with a phaser-gun-mic.

'I saw him live once with the whole crew when Full Circle dropped
He was Ok but then often he would crouch down on the stage when he wasn't rappin' and just zone out...

>>THis and Deltron dropping 6 months apart was greatness
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>Del thought his job was done by just showing up with a
>phaser-gun-mic.

Knicks yo
Cowboys yo

I'm one of the few people that think Hiero and Pharcyde's material got better as time went on.

I prefer No Man's Land to 93 Til Infinity. Similarly, I prefer LabCabinCalifornia to Bizarre Ride II The Pharcyde.

I also happen to prefer all of Casual's solo work after No Fear more.

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"When the music stops he falls back into this abyss."

2 For 15 is one of the best post jive/elektra albums that Hiero put out.

To get all SAT with it.

..but after that Snupe was banished from the crew for undisclosed reasons...

Prolly had something to do with a chick or something.

"Like It Should Be" was a dope album that I would include in the essentials, fa sho.

After the first two pharcydes and the first hiero albums k_orr mentioned, I stopped paying attention besides del's future development.

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I know he was a little polarizing because people didn't want to hear rhymes about femmes, but I'm not sure why we're getting all revisionist here, acting like he wasn't a full member of the collective.

Dude has been down since at least 1991 (check dem Hiero Oldies notes), and was still part of the crew past Like It Should Be. He appeared on and produced a track for No Mans Land, appeared on Future Development, released 2 For 15 which had a number of appearances by the crew, and was on 3rd Eye Vision (demo tracks are out there) until he was removed for getting all creep like with Casual's sister.

I dont recall it ever coming out.

I have the boot of it....

I remember "Ski mask and a Mic" being my shit, but havent heard it in a while.

All I know is back in '97 when Hiero did a show in H-town, they ALL came thru except Snupe and I asked Pep Love where Snupe was, he told me Snupe was no longer a part of Hiero and was doing his own thing.

Of course I asked "why?", but he wouldn't really say...only thing he would say was "creative differences" ....whatever that means....

I did hear about the sister rumor tho.

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It was sold on the Hiero website like Meanwhile and Future Development.

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"When the music stops he falls back into this abyss."

I can't begrudge folks for staying true.

Del's self-released completely solo material after Both Sides of the Brain is utter trash. He heavily dumbed down his flow and the beats are rancid.

Most of 11th Hour and the stuff he released on Bandcamp is putrid
Tajai's Power Movement I wasn't too big on but I haven't heard that one in years

>Del's self-released completely solo material after Both Sides
>of the Brain is utter trash. He heavily dumbed down his flow
>and the beats are rancid.

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That's Del's best album to me.

He has good chemistry with that Handsome Boy Modeling School crew.

And speaking of HBMS & Hiero, "It's Like That" by Casual was by far & away the best song off the somewhat dissapointing follow-up.

also the joint he did with all Roy Ayers samples on it.

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will get to youtubing this week.

but check out the album Hierophant from Casual as well. An internet only album if I'm not mistaken he released totally on his own outside of any Hiero Imperium affiliation, similar to how Del has been releasing his strictly solo stuff. It sounds very polished in terms of the beats and lyrics and flow. I doubt I'll be able to pull up the link to his web page, but a google search will pull it up. He also released a second solo release outside of Hiero Imperium #He Call Himself Rapgod that isn't as solid, so avoid that one.

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