he was more or less the only rap producer in the mainstream with heavy rotation that was allowed to use samples in the early-mid 00's.

outside of him, kanye west and some of the producers that did g-unit's beats almost everybody else was tinkering away with korg tritons and other awful keyboards on heavily rotated mainstream singles.

added to this
was that many of the thinning mainstream songs that DID contain samples were mostly always utilized at a novice from where sample-based production had been in the mainstream as little as a few years previously...
(1998/1999/2000)

so imo, just blaze's usage of samples at an intermediate level ran basically unopposed in the mainstream, thus leading to his increased status and appeciation.

it obviously has been on the record for a long time that mainstream labels scaled back from sample-based production due to cost and trends at the time... (thanks stephen)

but if you really think about it.
it's not so much that a "breathe" or "i really mean it" are incredibly constructed beats or even great songs that they are so fondly remembered.
it's just that they were more or less the only songs out on a mainstream level that received appropriate rotation that prominently utilized samples on beats constructed at an intermediate level.
and samples at that point (for fidelity/musicianship reasons) had been the life force of east coast rap music since about 1987.

so it begs the question...
is it a co-incidence he was one of the last producers in the mainstream using samples and now frequently gets grouped with great rap producers of all-time?
would i be lying if i said that it isn't for shit like "alright" by allen anthony... lol.

but i know, this conversation is "irrelevant" now.

Also list some beginners, list some other intermediates and list some pros who have had commercial success after 2000.

>Also list some beginners, list some other intermediates and
>list some pros who have had commercial success after 2000.

novice/intermediate/expert level refers to the craftsmanship of the beat and the utilization of the sample.
and that's all subjective...
but i think everyone can agree there are beats that DID use samples but were made at a novice level.
but i'm not going to try to define for everyone what qualifies and what doesn't because it will derail the thread and the point i'm making...

>but i'm not going to try to define for everyone what qualifies
>and what doesn't because it will derail the thread and the
>point i'm making...

well, if you don't want to define "intermediate" then you just derailed your entire argument.

just blaze was never an "intermediate" producer. and using "breathe" as an example is not helping your case at all. that is one of the dopest sample flips of the last decade.

>just blaze was never an "intermediate" producer. and using
>"breathe" as an example is not helping your case at all. that
>is one of the dopest sample flips of the last decade.

so you're saying the bar doesn't get any higher than him/that beat?
because in order for it to get higher than that...
there would have to be another level up, right?

>>just blaze was never an "intermediate" producer. and using
>>"breathe" as an example is not helping your case at all.
>that
>>is one of the dopest sample flips of the last decade.
>
>so you're saying the bar doesn't get any higher than him/that
>beat?
>because in order for it to get higher than that...
>there would have to be another level up, right?


no. i'm simply saying that you're incorrect in implying that just blaze is merely an "intermediate" producer.
I think your overall theory on sampling producers standing out amidst synth beats has a lot of credence. however, using just blaze as a pawn for your argument is where you went wrong.

just blaze is probably one of the most (if not the most) technically gifted producers in hiphop history. the way in which he flips samples and sequences drums is unmatched. also, his attention to detail is a testament to how much of a perfectionist he is. rarely are his beats straight loops. there's always something going on after 4,8 bars. something is always changing whether it be in the sample or in the drums. he literally dissects samples and then chops them to make them sound like loops. if you listen to the original supertramp sample for Breathe, it's in 3/4 time (maybe 6/8) and he chopped various parts of the song and sequenced them to make a series of loops in 4/4 time. it's fucking sick.

hell, i feel like kanye would've been a better example for your argument. but using just blaze and calling him "intermediate" just tells me you don't really know much about the art of sampling or sequencing in general.

>no. i'm simply saying that you're incorrect in implying that
>just blaze is merely an "intermediate" producer.
>I think your overall theory on sampling producers standing out
>amidst synth beats has a lot of credence. however, using just
>blaze as a pawn for your argument is where you went wrong.
>
>just blaze is probably one of the most (if not the most)
>technically gifted producers in hiphop history. the way in
>which he flips samples and sequences drums is unmatched. also,
>his attention to detail is a testament to how much of a
>perfectionist he is. rarely are his beats straight loops.
>there's always something going on after 4,8 bars. something is
>always changing whether it be in the sample or in the drums.
>he literally dissects samples and then chops them to make them
>sound like loops. if you listen to the original supertramp
>sample for Breathe, it's in 3/4 time (maybe 6/8) and he
>chopped various parts of the song and sequenced them to make a
>series of loops in 4/4 time. it's fucking sick.
>
>hell, i feel like kanye would've been a better example for
>your argument. but using just blaze and calling him
>"intermediate" just tells me you don't really know much about
>the art of sampling or sequencing in general.

look, i don't think anybody would call it novice level.
so whether it's intermediate or expert is entirely up the listener.
if just blaze's breathe is a 10/10 level for you - cool.
it's not for me.

the POINT is this:
him/kanye/timbaland were the only people in the mainstream using samples at an ADVANCED level and getting consistent work/producing mainstream singles that got heavy rotation.
timbaland, despite heavily sampling during that period, is not really grouped with east coast style production like just blaze is.

there are a few exceptions of other producers who utilized samples well that sporadically had a couple of singles with rotation like DR period.. even the alchemist had a couple...
but for the most part, during that 02-04 period - just blaze ran unopposed in the mainstream and imo that is what has contributed to his "status".

i mean i like him, his stuff usually too busy and glossy for me, but pretty much any decent sample based prod. is doin all that stuff u slobbin him for

________________________________________________________________
whenever you did these things to the least of my brothers you did them to me

>i mean i like him, his stuff usually too busy and glossy for
>me, but pretty much any decent sample based prod. is doin all
>that stuff u slobbin him for

like i alluded in post #4...
imo the end of the spectrum of sample-based rap production does not end with just blaze.
if anything this kind of fervor just proves the point i'm making about just blaze's prestige with rap fans.

>like i alluded in post #4...
>imo the end of the spectrum of sample-based rap production
>does not end with just blaze.
>if anything this kind of fervor just proves the point i'm
>making about just blaze's prestige with rap fans.


nobody is saying just blaze is the pinnacle of sample-based producers, fam. however, he is far from run of the mill as you seem to be implying.

>nobody is saying just blaze is the pinnacle of sample-based
>producers, fam. however, he is far from run of the mill as you
>seem to be implying.

he isn't "run of the mill" and i think i made that clear in all these replies.
he's widely considered by rap fans as one of the all-time greats now.
he had a great mainstream run in the early 00's.
all i'm saying is if you really look at it
he basically ran unopposed and i think THAT'S why he's got so much prestige and is held in such high regard by rap fans.

it's a comment on sample-based rap which has been marginalized and deemed "irrelevant" by today's mainstream sensibilities.

but meanwhile, people consider HIM great over jazze pha
or any other producer out at the same time with a sample-free mainstream single run.

go figure...

he's considered great because he's made classic records whose foundations were great beats.

he's not considered great because there was no one to "run against" him so he was the only option to bestow greatness upon.

SMH.

hater ass post.

>he's considered great because he's made classic records whose
>foundations were great beats.

imo, he's considered great because he used samples and was one of the only producers using samples for mainstream singles that received heavy rotation.

if you took songs like PSA, what we do, oh boy, pump it up, i really mean it, breathe, etc out of his oeuvre and left all of the non-sampled singles.
would he be that "great"?

so then what is the driving force behind the "greatness" of his material?
well the common denominator is that all those singles have samples.

so considering he was the only person using SAMPLES on mainstream/heavy rotated singles in beats at any sort of advanced level beside a very short cast of people in the early-mid 00's.

is it implausible to question, if that has something to do with his touted "greatness"?

the fact he was doing what he did with little to no competition in the mainstream?

he certainly was not the only producer in the early-mid 00's USING samples but he definitely was one of the only one's doing it on mainstream singles that received rotation.

that's not true AT ALL.

he might be the producer using samples that STUCK AROUND through the 2000s, but there were a TON of mainstream hits that used samples.

dude, keep fighting the good fight but you're wrong.

would you like me to make a list of the top songs that were sample based?

cuz outside of people like Lil' Jon and Neptunes, EVERYONE else was using samples.

>would you like me to make a list of the top songs that were
>sample based?
>
>cuz outside of people like Lil' Jon and Neptunes, EVERYONE
>else was using samples.

well, i already have and am very familiar with the monthly urban/r&b promo rips from the entire period in question.
but if you really feel confident you can have this conversation with me in that sort of detail - then go ahead.
start from 2002 and take it to about 2005.
you name all the rap records that received national radio rotation and/or subsequent urban television video rotation and we'll tick off which is sampled and which isn't.
and re-interpolations of samples do not classify as samples.
if you miss any i'll be sure to fill them in...

that would be a long list and a lot of research. i don't have the time to put in but do YOUR research.

even songs you might not think are sampled, are sampled.

i mean, who was popular around that time?

eminem
snoop
outkast
jay-z
kanye west
50 cent and g-unit
nas
ja rule
ludacris
t.i.

most of those artist's songs are sample-based. even people like Lil' Jon, Neptunes, etc. were replaying samples on occasion.

then you can look at random hits like Smilez and Southstar and Mase as just a couple of examples of many (i looked at the top r n b/hip hop charts from 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004).

to me, it sounds like you're riffing with sampling in general more than anything despite it being the foundation of most rap music (and a good chunk of modern r & b). i say that because you keep saying stuff like "advanced" use of samples. what does that even mean?

>that would be a long list and a lot of research. i don't have
>the time to put in but do YOUR research.

that's interesting because in the previous reply you said:

>>would you like me to make a list of the top songs that were sample based?

but since you backtracked, i went ahead and did it for you anyway...

01/02
---
dmx/faith evans - i miss you (sample)
jadakiss/bubba sparkxxx - they ain't ready
knocturnal/dr dre/missy - the knoc
state property - roc the mic -JUST BLAZE- (sample)

02/02
---
trina/rick ross - told yall ass
lil bow wow - take ya home
fat joe/ashanti - what's luv
royce/eminem - rock city
nas - one mic

03/02
---
ja rule/charli baltimore - down ass chick
lil troy - back to ballin
ying yang twins - say i yi yi
cee lo - closet freak

04/02
---
big tymers - stay fly
big moe - purple stuff
ali/murphy lee - boughetto
cam'ron/juelz - oh boy -JUST BLAZE- (sample)
wyclef jean - the pj's
master p - real love
diddy/usher - i need a girl
mystikal/butch cassidy - tarantula
pretty willie - roll wit me

05/02
---
khia - my neck, my back
jd/luda - welcome to atlanta (coast to coast remix)
luda/sleepy brown - saturday (sample)
busta/diddy/pharrell - pass the courvoisier
naughty by nature/3lw - feels good

06/02
---
mobb deep - get away (sample)
project pat - back clap

07/02
---
eminem - without me
e-40/fab - automatic
swizz beatz/bounty killer - guilty (sample)
knocturnal - muzik (sample)
nore - nothin'
az - i'm back (sample)
luda/mystikal - move bitch
angie martinez/lil mo/sacario - if i could go!
murder inc - down 4 u

08/02
---
will smith - black suits comin (nod ya head)
diddy/mario winans/ginuwine - i need a girl pt 2
outkast/killer mike - land of a million drums
nappy roots - po folks
master p - rock it
slum village/dwele - tainted
lil wayne - way of life (sample)
smilez & southstar - who want this?
lil bow wow/jd/fabolous - basketball (no sample, but a cover)
ali - breathe in, breathe out

09/02
----
eve/alicia - gangsta lovin
nelly/kelly - dilemma
fabolous/jagged edge - trade it all pt 2

10/02
---
ll cool j - luv u betta
cam'ron - hey ma (sample)
clipse - when the last time
field mob - sick of being lonely
xzibit - multiply
benzino - rock the party

11/02
---
ying yang twins - by myself
erick sermon - react -JUST BLAZE- (sample)
petey pablo - blow your whistle
fabolous - this is my party

12/02
---
common/mary - come close
scarface/faith - someday
snoop - from the church...
busta - make it clap
missy - work it (sample, but not in main part of song)
murder inc - the pledge
w.c./nate - the streets

2002 extras:
---
*2pac/nas - thugz mansion
*4th avenue jones - move on
*50 cent - wanksta
*afroman - crazy rap
*big tymers - oh yeah!
*bubba sparxxx - lovely
*camp-lo - glow (sample)
*choppa - choppa style
*clipse - grindin
*cypress hill - child of the west
*devin - a-ha/doobie ashtray
*dilated peoples - worst comes to worst (sample)
*dj quik/amg - trouble
*eminem - cleaning out my closet
*eminem - lose yourself
*fat joe - crush tonight
*g-dep - special delivery remix
*ja rule - always on time
*jay-z - song cry -JUST BLAZE- (sample)
*jay-z/beyonce - 03 bonnie & clyde
*jurassic 5 - what's golden? (sample)
*juvenile - from her mama
*kool g rap - all my life remix (sample)
*lil flip - this is the way we ball
*lil romeo - parents don't understand
*lil romeo - true love (sample)
*mack 10 - connected for life
*missy - 4 my people
*ms jade - big head
*ms jade - ching ching (sample)
*mystikal - bouncin back
*nappy roots - awnaw!
*nate dogg - get up
*nature - whatcha know
*nelly - air force ones
*nelly - hot in herre
*nore - full mode
*onyx - slam harder (sample)
*outkast - the whole world
*pharoahe monch - the life (sample)
*redman & method man - how high part II
*scarface - my block (sample)
*skillz/missy - crew deep (sample)
*snoop dogg/bootsie collins - undacova funk (give up the funk)
*styles p - good times (sample)
*timbaland/magoo - all y'all (sample)
*trick daddy - in da wind
*trina - no panties
*trina/ludacris - b r right
*wu-tang clan - pinky ring (sample)

01/03
---
baby/diddy - do that...
504 boyz - tight whips
nas - made you look (sample)
ja rule/bbrown - thug lovin

02/03
---
missy/luda - gossip folks (sample)
fat joe - all i need (sample)
nappy roots - headz up
twista - badunkadunk
slum village - disco
504 boyz - get back

03/03
---
eminem - superman
mr cheeks - crush on you
snoop dogg - beautiful
ja rule - mesmerize
50 cent - in da club
smilez & southstar - tell me
clipse - ma i don't love her

04/03
---
keith murray - yeah yeah you know it -JUST BLAZE-
baby/clipse - what happened to that boy
nas - i can (sample)
bone thugs-n-harmony - home (sample)
redman - ride
killer mike - adidas (sample)

05/03
---
stagga lee - roll wit mvp
nelly - pimp juice (sample)
lil romeo - play like us
busta rhymes/mariah - i know what you want
david banner - get down like a pimp
bone crusher/ti - never scared
dj kay slay/loon/amerie - too much for me
da brat - in love wit chu

06/03
---
loon - how you want that
chingy - right thurr
50 cent/nate dogg - 21 questions (sample)
jay-z - excuse me miss (la la la)
ja rule - the reign

07/03
---
ludacris - act a fool
clipse - hot damn
keith murray - candi bar
joe budden - pump it up/focus -JUST BLAZE- (sample)

08/03
---
talib kweli - get by
fabolous - into you
lil bow wow - let's get down
nelly/diddy - shake ya tailfeather
50 cent - pimp
nappy roots - roun the globe
timbaland/magoo - cop that disc
busta rhymes - light ya ass on fire
youngbloodz/lil jon - damn!

09/03
---
dmx - where the hood at
black eyed peas - where is the love?

10/03
---
bigboi/sleepy brown - the way you move
david banner - cadillacs on 22's
e-40/clipse - quarterbackin
murphy lee/jd - what da hook gon be?
chingy - holidae in
nick cannon/r. kelly - gigolo
big tymers - this is how we do

11/03
---
ludacris - stand up (officialy it has no sample, but it obviously does)
wyclef - party to damascus
da band - bad boy this, bad boy that
rah digga - party and bullshit 2003
loon/mario winans - down for me
mark ronson/ghostface killah/nate dogg - ooh wee (sample)
jacki-o - nookie real good
lil bow wow - my baby

12/03
---
ja rule - clap back
missy - pass that dutch
nelly - iz u
g-unit - stunt 101
fabolous - make u mine
lil wayne - get something
kanye west - through the wire (sample)

2003 extras
---
*50 cent - many men (sample)
*angie martinez - take you home
*baby bash - suga suga
*big gipp - steppin' out
*black eyed peas - shut up
*bone crusher - grippin the grain
*bubba sparxx - deliverance/jimmy mathis (sample)
*cam'ron - daydreaming
*cee-lo - i'll be around
*dipset - dipset anthem/i really mean it -JUST BLAZE- (sample)
*dmx - get it on the floor
*dmx - x gon give it to ya
*eminem - sing for the moment
*eve - satisfaction
*fabolous - can't let you go
*field mob - all i know
*freeway - alright -JUST BLAZE-
*freeway - what we do -JUST BLAZE- (sample)
*gangstarr - skillz (sample)
*gangstarr/jadakiss - rite where u stand (sample)
*jay-z/pharrell - excuse me miss
*joe budden - fire
*juelz santana - dipset - santanas town (sample)
*juvenile - in my life
*lil jon/ying yang twinz - get low
*lil kim/mr cheeks - jump off
*mc lyte - ride wit me
*nelly - tip drill
*obie trice - got some teeth
*punjabi mc/jay-z - beware of the boys
*sheek louch - might d-block
*skillz - off the wall
*smilez & southstar - now that you're gone
*sticky fingaz - can't call it
*swizz beatz - bigger business
*talib kweli - waitin for the dj
*the roots - break u off
*the roots - the seed 2.0
*three 6 mafia - ridin spinners
*ti - 24's
*ti - be easy
*westside connection - gangsta nation
*westside connection - lights out
*xzibit - symphony in x major

01/04
---
timbaland/magoo - indian flute (sample)
bravehearts/nas/lil jon - quick to back down
petey pablo - freek-a-leek
big tymers - gangsta girl
eminem/2pac/biggie - runnin (dyin to live) (sample)
andre3000 - hey ya
jay-z - change clothes
twista/kanye - slow jamz (sample)
young gunz - can't stop, won't stop

02/04
---
memphis bleek/trick daddy/ti - round here -JUST BLAZE-
knocturnal - the way i am
ludacris - splash waterfalls (sample)
juvenile - in my life
murphy lee - luv me baby
jin - learn chinese (sample)
ti - rubber band man
missy - i'm really hot (sample)

03/04
---
j-kwon - tipsy
jay-z - dirt off ya shoulder/psa -JUST BLAZE- (sample)
dj kayslay/three 6 mafia - who gives a... where you from
ghostface killah - run (sample)
david banner - crank it up
lil scrappy - head bussa
trillville - neva eva
g-unit - poppin them thangs

04/04
---
lil flip - game over
cassidy - hotel
g-unit - wanna get to know you (sample)
outkast - roses
youngbloodz - lean low

05/04
---
slum village/kanye - selfish (sample)
eightball mjg - you don't want drama
kanye - all falls down
twista - overnight celebrity (sample)
cam'ron - hey lady
dilated peoples/kanye - this way (sample)
cee lo - the one
method man/busta - what's happenin (sample)
erick sermon - feel it
lil wayne - bring it back
big tymers - no love
ghostface - push (sample)
young gunz - friday night -JUST BLAZE-
cassidy - get no better
ying yang twins - whats happnin!
ying yang twins - salt shaka

06/04
---
yung wun - tear it up
j-kwon - hood hop
roots - don't say nothin
kanye - jesus walks (sample)
jay-z - 99 problems (sample)

07/04
---
lloyd banks - on fire
young buck - let me in
terror squad - lean back
mase - welcome back (sample)
goodie mob - play your flutes
petey pablo - vibrate
silkk the shocker - we like them girls
jadakiss - why
d-12 - how come
knocturnal - him or me

08/04
---
i-20/ludacris/bone crusher - break bread
mobb deep - throw your hands up (sample)
juvenile - nolia clap
eightball - straight cadillac pimpin
lil scrappy - no problem
dem franchise boys - white tee
twista/rkelly - so sexy
ti - lets get away

09/04
---
ll cool j - headsprung
mase - breathe, stretch, shake
trillville - get some
crime mob - knuck if you buck
lil romeo - my cinderella (sample)
lloyd banks - i'm so fly

10/04
---
trick daddy/lil jon - let's go
fabolous - breathe -JUST BLAZE- (sample)
mobb deep - real gangstaz
nelly - flap your wings
nelly - my place
juvenile - slow motion
lil flip - sunshine
magic - i smoke, i drank

11/04
---
talib/mary - i try
ja rule - wonderful
snoop/pharrell - drop it like it's hot
chingy - balla baby
young buck - shorty wanna ride
twista - so sexy chapter 2
nas - bridging the gap

12/04
---
cam'ron - girls/family ties (sample)
ludacris - get back
lloyd banks - karma (sample)
mos def - sex love money
dipset - crunk musik
jacki-o - fine

2004 extras
---
*213 - groupie luv
*alchemist - hold you down (sample)
*b.g. - i want it
*baby bash - shorty doo wop
*beastie boys - ch-check it out remix -JUST BLAZE- (sample)
*beastie boys - right right now now (sample)
*beastie boys - triple trouble (sample)
*bone crusher - take ya clothes off
*bubba sparxxx - back in the mud
*busta rhymes - shorty put it on the floor
*chingy - one call away
*cypress hill - what's your number
*d-12 - my band
*da band - tonight
*eminem - just lose it
*eminem - mosh
*fabolous - tit 4 tat
*guerilla black - compton (sample)
*jadakiss - time's up
*jadakiss/mariah - you make me wanna
*jay-z - encore (sample)
*jim jones - certified gangstas (sample)
*kanye - two words (sample)
*lil jon/lil scrappy - what u gon do
*ll cool j - hush
*lloyd banks - smile (sample)
*ludacris - southern fried/blow it out... (sample)
*mannie fresh - real big
*mims - i did you wrong (sample)
*murphy lee - luv me baby
*murphy lee/nelly - hold up
*nas - thiefs theme (sample)
*nelly - over and over
*nitty - nasty girl
*obie trice/nate dogg - the set-up
*philly's most wanted - ring the alarm
*pitch black - it's all real (sample)
*royce da 5'9 - hip-hop (sample)
*shawnna/ludacris - shake that
*shyne - jimmy choo
*sleepy brown/outkast - i can't wait (sample)
*terror squad - take me home (sample)
*the roots - star
*white boy - can't get out the game (sample)
*yonnie/ying yang twins - in da club
*young gunz - no better love (sample)

this is an estimated 80-85% of the rap records that received national radio/television playlist rotation between january 2002 to december 2004.

the numbers break down like this:
there were at least 376 singles that received national rotation from 01/02 - 12/04.
of those 376 known singles, 292 were non-sampled.
only 84 of those singles did utilize samples.
just blaze produced 10 of those 84 singles.
the only person who produced more was kanye west with 11.
timbaland produced 6.

this proves 2 things.
#1) your statement claiming "everyone was sampling" during that period was unfounded and statistically fallible.
almost 80% of all the rap singles released in this period did not utilize samples.
and #2) my position suggesting that just blaze along with kanye west and timbaland
were part of a small list of producers that consistently had singles with mainstream rotation utilizing samples was indeed accurate as shown in the above data.
take care.

seriously, where did you get these stats?

i ask because:

1. half of these songs you've included were not radio hits. they might have gotten some radio play but i thought we were talking about mainstream hits.

2. i quickly picked out a handful of songs that are samples that you didn't note as sampled that actually do contain samples...and i'm willing to be money that if i went thru and looked up EACH song i'd find A LOT more.

think what you want but sampling was HUGE even in the mainstream from 2001 to 2006...why do you think so many people became "diggers" around that time?

yes i do and i am living very comfortably right now.

>seriously, where did you get these stats?
>
>i ask because:
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>1. half of these songs you've included were not radio hits.
>they might have gotten some radio play but i thought we were
>talking about mainstream hits.

all the songs i included were included on monthly playlists on radio stations around the country.
i also only included records that had videos, as records without videos cannot receive television rotation.

>2. i quickly picked out a handful of songs that are samples
>that you didn't note as sampled that actually do contain
>samples...and i'm willing to be money that if i went thru and
>looked up EACH song i'd find A LOT more.

did you?
or did you find a handful of songs that are interpolations of samples?
because i explicitly stated that interpolations are not samples.

>think what you want but sampling was HUGE even in the
>mainstream from 2001 to 2006...why do you think so many people
>became "diggers" around that time?

i'm not "thinking what i want".
i just provided the data to back up what i think
and disprove what you think.

>>seriously, where did you get these stats?
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>>i ask because:
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>>1. half of these songs you've included were not radio hits.
>>they might have gotten some radio play but i thought we were
>>talking about mainstream hits.


so we're talking about random ass songs, even though before we were talking about "heavy rotation" joints (which to me means HITS...like top 30 radio songs).

cool. carry on.

and yes, there's songs on that list that are SAMPLES.

>so we're talking about random ass songs, even though before we
>were talking about "heavy rotation" joints (which to me means
>HITS...like top 30 radio songs).

no.
as i said,
that is a compilation that i would estimate at about 80-85% definitive of every commercially radio/television rotated rap single in the country from the period of 01/02 - 12/04.
not "random ass songs".

lotta shit aint right on here

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Leather In The Summer.
Silk In The Winter.


Twice upon a time,
there was a boy who died...
And lived happily ever after...

But that's another chapter...

dude is making up his argument as he goes though.

i made it up.
none of those songs ever existed.

>i mean i like him, his stuff usually too busy and glossy for
>me, but pretty much any decent sample based prod. is doin all
>that stuff u slobbin him for


so you agree that just blaze is an "intermediate" producer then?

hes definitely a pro

hes great at programmin and stuff like u said

but most of his stuff, aside from joints like exhibit c, sacrifices soul for energy to me

and i do wonder how esteemed hed be if it wasnt for a guy named jay z

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while "professional" would indicate he is paid for his trade.

it's always semantics with you people here...
not a single reply even weighs the crux of my argument.

maybe that has more to do with ur posts than anything else

when i say "pro" i mean deservedly good enuf 2 get paid doin his shit, and thats far fewer folks than are tryna get paid doin this shit

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>it's always semantics with you people here...
>not a single reply even weighs the crux of my argument.

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on top of that, you're not even addressing people's very very valid counterpoints.

i think this is just some random thought you had one day and thought it would make a good topic, but it didn't.

>on top of that, you're not even addressing people's very very
>valid counterpoints.

that's because "dude had banger after banger after banger." and "his shit banged." are not actual counter-arguments.

>that's because "dude had banger after banger after banger."
>and "his shit banged." are not actual counter-arguments.

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though he started out making WACK beats.

typing it in caps isn't enough. "WACK" needs to be in 92 FOOT (not point, FOOT) font, neon and bolded, hanging from the sky.

"Who Want What" was one of the most bullshit beats I've heard. Of all the producers to rip off, Pizz Beats, son?

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Dude just sampled really popular songs from the 60's and 70's. Not exclusively, but definitely the majority of the time. I like him and all, but he would be at the bottom of my top 25.

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Rather than success or hits.

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Premier
Dilla
RZA
Pete Rock
Timbaland
Q Tip
Marley
Large Pro
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Paul C

Or bung. However you wanna say it.

ENERGY. Drums were PERFECT whether authentic/acoustic, or trendy/club on "Flipside" and "Pump it up."

Some of his beats had the hook already in it like the obvious "Oh Boy" types.

But as a whole, he was the best producer of the decade when it came to being great on both sides...sampled and non-sampled (Alright for Freeway)...and then for album cut/soulful/Hip Hop tracks AND Club tracks. Nobody else was doing that.

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and its a replay of Ronnie Foster's "Mystic Brew"
but you're on about everything else

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And yea, I never heard the original song...need to hit whosampled.com

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then they needed some radio shit for Free that was more laid back so they made him do the song and kept AA on the chorus
personally I like AA's version better but the Free jaint is mean too
the Ronnie Foster jaint is the samp for Tribe's Electric Relaxation

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never knew it came from the same song, that's wild how they were flipped so much different

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>then they needed some radio shit for Free that was more laid
>back so they made him do the song and kept AA on the chorus
>personally I like AA's version better but the Free jaint is
>mean too
>the Ronnie Foster jaint is the samp for Tribe's Electric
>Relaxation

it also was heavily "influenced" by glenn lewis' don't you forget it.
which was a massive single nobody cares about now from the early 00's.

>it also was heavily "influenced" by glenn lewis' don't you
>forget it.
>which was a massive single nobody cares about now from the
>early 00's.

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i think the issue is that he never produced an album for a signature artist like alot of top 100 producers have so while he has a signature sound, (the big epic riffs and drums) he doesn't have a collection of signature songs where he got a chance to craft something new and original from scratch all on his own.

he might have had his chance with Jay Elec, but that fool won't put anything out so...

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You still see him around, DJ'n and on Master of the mix, but production wise?? Eh...well most superproducers disappeared since then.

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he just changed his sound for radio i guess you could say. he's a bit more synth based than he used to be (plus live instrumentation) and he doesn't drop the "JUST BLAZE!" like he used to on his beats which makes people think he's gone. he still puts out a couple big songs each year.

he does have some good shit but I'm not really including him on a top 2o list
not because of anything he lacks, but he because he wouldn't be in the first 2o names I'd name

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this is his M.O. and It's quite shameful.

it is. Either they weren't big enough, or they were big and could have been even bigger. And it overanalyzes everything about them.

It's obvious that Bammer knows his shit, but he spends too much energy on these types of post.

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>it is. Either they weren't big enough, or they were big and
>could have been even bigger. And it overanalyzes everything
>about them.

can you differentiate how easy a post it is to make to just say "hey here's a good one..." © john madden vs. the analysis in some of the posts i make?

the objective of this forum as self-defined on the main board is in-depth music discussion.
if you want more "songs/acts i like" posts...
well, anybody can make those
however it's unlikely anyone will click them.

here's a few...

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2569634&mesg_id=2569634

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2597763&mesg_id=2597763

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2625646&mesg_id=2625646

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2629253&mesg_id=2629253

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=2628916&mesg_id=2628916

must have missed your replies in those...

Because, really besides one, this is a limited selection of posts that went wood.

>Because, really besides one, this is a limited selection of
>posts that went wood.

ouch! those dolphin teeth sting...
...biter.

Just Blaze's career post-2007 or so is a bit of bummer though.

>Just Blaze's career post-2007 or so is a bit of bummer
>though.

and why is that?
because he started doing beats like drummaboy and sampling cornball records like haddaway's what is love and the numa numa song?

and this is an interesting comment on sampling at large.

it's interesting how we pretend that the driving force behind almost every great rap record wasn't the fidelity/instrumentation of the original record it sampled.
i mean even the greatest non-sampled records of the 80's were replaying with similar fidelity/instruments as the original records.
(larry smith excluded)
but sampling is "irrelevant" now.
and co-incidentally, the profitability of the rap genre is now practically "irrelevant" to the entertainment industry. lol.

he thought of himself as. These Drake and Rick Ross songs he's produced are encouraging in that they seem to show Just realizes this.

He's not a bad producer, *at all*.

Maybe he's not reinventing rap production (I don't have the energy to
check thoroughly), but he brought a certain depth with his music and I
think people feel that and respond accordingly.

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thank you for replying and weighing the ideas communicated in the main post.
not agreeing, but considering them.

imo, the "mark" he made largely has to do with him being one of the last producers on a mainstream level getting consistent work that used samples.
again, nobody is bringing up producers that had a similar run of mainstream singles that got heavy rotation in the same time period as just blaze but did NOT use samples, or at least use them at an advanced level.

kind of a statement to the "relevancy" of now deemed "irrelevant" production techniques, isn't it?

Firstly, for the first few years post-Blueprint, just about EVERYONE in the *mainstream* was heavily sampling mostly soul records (complete with chipmunk vocals, etc.)

There probably wouldn't be a lot of argument that Rocafella, G-Unit, and Dipset were by far the most popular crews in that time frame from a mainstream perspective, and all three were dominated by sampled beats. (Throw D-Block in there, but their shit was less sample based.) The shit Sha Money XL was doing for 50 was heavily sample-based. The shit Heatmakers were doing for Dipset was very heavily sample-based. Obviously everything out of Rocafella was sample-based, be it by Just Blaze, Kanye, or Bink.

One reason Just Blaze is so recognizable is that every single one his beats has a JUST BLLLAAAAAAZE tag, which really increased his name recognition with typical run-of-the-mill fans who otherwise don't know shit about who produced what.

But, as plenty of people already pointed out, the dude had a shit load of legitimate bangers in that era, simple as that.

If it was as simple as him having a leg up because he could sample, how come his beats stand out on albums that are otherwise mostly or entirely sample based? In other words, Dec. 4 and PSA are arguably the best beats on The Black Album - an album where almost every beat is a sample. Song Cry and You Don't Know and Girls, Girls, Girls - if not standouts - are definitely top notch beats on the Blueprint, again, where almost everything is sampled.

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i think it's because his beats have masonic messages.

i'm not suggesting there's any conspiracy involved.
just an alternate viewpoint to better explain the reasoning of circumstance.

hip-hop production (in the traditional sense) that wasn't readily seen (esp. in the mainstream), to the point some considered it "overproduction". This wasn't really heard in a "traditional" sense. overlaying live drums and such as if it were part of the programmed product.

I really feel that "Show Me Whatcha Got" was one of his best beats. Sure, oldheads know it as "That Public Enemy Song", slightly youngerheads know it as that song that was ripped off from "That Public Enemy Song".

(actually, that he got away with doing that is kind of funny; not only yanking the same record, but basically jacking the same idea as PE with the title/hook of the song -- on a song that is not meant to be a direct cover)

-That- level of production was anything but "intermediate". As for his sample rearrangement, I think he totally bodied "Super Freak" with "Kingdom Come" (another great beat laid to waste). Contrary to what is claimed in here, Just does have some record of digging. Creative Source as a sample source was in that 9th Wonder Realm of "WTF" IMO. Tom Brock?! Cmon, dogg. If you know/noticed where that dude started with his beats... to get to the level of a "Hovi Baby" or "Show Me Whatcha Got" was one of those things you didn't expect. He basically Jay-Z-ed his way to prominence.

He does have a bit of shadiness in his repertoire, however; that usually gets brushed under the rug ("PSA" vs. "Stay Real").

I don't really agree with conspiratorial bent of the OP, outside the fact that the dearth of sample-based hip-hop in the mainstream was a problem in the early '00s and that the sound/fidelity of the records being sampled was the driving factor in them being sampled/replayed.

Before you dillweeds start talking about "1994" and how hip-hop has progressed since then, instrumentation/arrangement styles never really caught up with the 1970s and even the 1980s in this genre, despite so many trying hard to recapture them on a superficial level. This was as true in 1994 as it was in 2006. Just's most intricate productions was as close to a modern take on "liveness" that you were going to get in the lowered expectations of the time, which IMO is one of the reasons he shot up on everyone's lists.

I don't think there's so much a conspiracy geared toward it as much as there was little (relative) demand for it in the period in which he came prominent.

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