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imcvspl
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"imcvspl's Deep Thoughts: The Foil MC"


  

          

First a definition

The foil in literature is the character that offsets the main character to help emphasize the main character while detracting the main character's faults with their own. It's most commonly recognized though in comedic duos like Laurel and Hard, Abbot and Costello, Amos and Andy, Fred and Barney, etc. One character is the leading man who is supposed to be the smart lead that does everything right while their partner is the bumbling fool. In comics it's the sidekick to the hero. It's also the straight man. You get the picture.

So the MC foil is the one in the group that's of lesser skill or presence who holds it down, but isn't supposed to be as good as the lead MC. It works well for a number of reasons. Multiple voices help in hip-hop because it helps draw attention to the spit as the voices change rather than seeming like a run on sentence. Only MC's of certain caliber can really hold that lane down. And not all of them want to.

Let's be real. It's impossible to spit 100% 100% of the time. Over the course of an album by example... really hard to do. But if you're only responsible for 50% of the spit on the album, well that makes it a lot easier to appear to come of 100% 100% of the time. This is the technical reason a solo artist with solo albums they hold down under their belt is more impressive than an artist in a group with the same number of albums. But that was a tangent.

The foil is the person dropping that other 50% and they have to be able to hold their own too. But it's a contrast to the lead MC. How about some examples:

Public Enemy - perhaps the most divergent pairing, but it really worked. Would Chuck D have been able to do half the stuff he was able to do if Flav wasn't offsetting him, just by being Flav. I mean do you remember Mista Chuck?

Outkast - I always say there wasn't a foil on the first album, and that the majority of folk couldn't even tell them apart. It managed to work for them because of their own uniqueness but by the second album it was becoming clear the differences between them. It's debatable who was the foil. I mean people obviously want to say Dre, but when you think about it, Boi has been the same character througout, while Dre has become a 'character' even if it is who he really is.

Organized Konfusion - Pharoah fucking Monch. Perhaps one of if not *the* greatest lead in a duo of all time. I actually think a Flav like character for him could have worked better than his solo effort. As far as Organized was concerned though Prince Po has to be the hardest working foil ever. But in the end it kind of worked against him.

The Roots - Black Thought may be second behind Monch. But on the real Malik B could have been just as good but Thoughts work ethic kept him at the top. Post Malik there was a lot done to offset Thought. Of late the whole MMJB have been integral in that, and it's good because it really does allow him to be the Alpha male.

Wu-Tang - It's up for debate, and equally up for grabs as to who is the lead. RZA is the leader, but who is the lead MC changes track to track. I think the battling for that top slot is what makes them work together well as a unit of all Foils.

Tribe - It's always been Tip despite the fact that he has more foil like characteristics. Phife was barely on the first joint. Then started coming to his own on the second. Actually I think at the heart of the beef is that Phife always wanted to be the lead. Didn't really want to accept the foil role. Part of that because of the reaction to him coming out of Low End. Everyone gassed his head to believe he could be the lead. But he never had the work ethic to do it, while Tip was steady grinding.

I'm gonna stop here. Feel free to add on.
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thread jack...
Nov 17th 2011
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this kinda dead's your argument though
Nov 17th 2011
2
      strongly disagree.
Nov 17th 2011
3
      anyway this is cold crush/furious 5 principle...
Nov 17th 2011
4
           oh I agree with you generally
Nov 17th 2011
5
Another one...
Nov 17th 2011
6
The Lox?
Nov 18th 2011
7
I actually think jada is the solo lead and styles and sheek the foils
Nov 23rd 2011
17
Run DMC
Nov 22nd 2011
8
yep
Nov 22nd 2011
10
      DMC was the more lyrical of the two
Nov 24th 2011
26
interesting topic.. but i think with PE and Wu
Nov 22nd 2011
9
this just seems like a roundabout way to say no group rapper
Nov 22nd 2011
11
sounds like you're just butt hurt
Nov 22nd 2011
12
What's your thoughts on Nice & Smooth? That's a tougher call based
Nov 22nd 2011
13
Greg Nice was the lead without a doubt
Nov 23rd 2011
14
      Yeah, it's just interesting because usually the foil is the less serious
Nov 23rd 2011
15
Interesting idea i assume if the foil makes a listenable solo record
Nov 23rd 2011
16
RE: imcvspl's Deep Thoughts: The Foil MC
Nov 23rd 2011
18
let's talk OB4CL for a sec...
Nov 23rd 2011
19
Malik was never on Black Thought's level & never was gonna be
Nov 23rd 2011
20
Malik owned Illadelph with less verses n/m
Nov 23rd 2011
21
      No. Just no.
Nov 23rd 2011
22
      ^^^Opinion More Horrifying Than Dram Stroker
Nov 24th 2011
23
           It's like PORN owning Rising Down
Nov 24th 2011
24
                ^^^This Opinion Is Worse Than The Rap Name Of The Guy Its Touting
Nov 24th 2011
25
                     And yet...
Apr 02nd 2012
31
                          Porn told us more about himself on "I Can't Help It"...
Apr 02nd 2012
38
                               my bad this wasnt directed at you, primus
Apr 02nd 2012
39
                                    forgot how to post...lol
Apr 02nd 2012
40
Kast is interesting... i think i'd say they had 2 leads.. BUT i think
Nov 24th 2011
27
Was Supeb Ghost's foil... hmmm
Jan 06th 2012
28
GLC, never been in a group but always kills features
Jan 06th 2012
29
Tyler is definitely more on point flow-wise when Earl is present..
Jan 06th 2012
30
Bone Thugs N Harmony?
Apr 02nd 2012
32
Little Brother
Apr 02nd 2012
33
Cypress Hill
Apr 02nd 2012
34
NWA
Apr 02nd 2012
35
I'm struggling to think of new groups
Apr 02nd 2012
36
Leaders of the New School
Apr 02nd 2012
37
how about Clipse?
Apr 02nd 2012
41
Wait...did WTT turn Jay-Z into Kanye's foil?
Apr 02nd 2012
42
a similar instance of this is Waka/Gucci recently
Apr 02nd 2012
44
Travis Porter.
Apr 02nd 2012
43
good post
Apr 02nd 2012
45
Just to clear this up, Run was nice as fuck
Apr 02nd 2012
46
      Run was the "little engine that could"
Apr 02nd 2012
47
What About Brand Nubian?
Apr 03rd 2012
48
Goodie Mob
Apr 03rd 2012
49

david bammer
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1. "thread jack..."
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short increment back and forth rapping is better than 1 verse per person.

even if the back and forth rapping isn't done by great rappers, just two somewhat competent rappers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szmkdSvxV7M
they switch on 2 bar increments.
keeps the momentum going on this song like volleyball.

another example is 2pac and cpo on picture me rolling.
that whole song should have been like that.

  

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2. "this kinda dead's your argument though"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voeLAiPydP8&feature=related

cause it's a better song by the same artist.

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3. "strongly disagree."
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Thu Nov-17-11 10:50 PM by david bammer

  

          

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyAV5Rk9ENk&

the sloppy rapping kind of unravels this one though...

  

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4. "anyway this is cold crush/furious 5 principle..."
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2-4 or 8 bar... switch.
how do you think all of those songs were like 8-10 minutes long?

  

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imcvspl
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5. "oh I agree with you generally"
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but your link led to my link which led to my conclusion.
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6. "Another one..."
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Felt.

Slug - lead MC
Murs - foil MC.

Good post, by the way.

  

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7. "The Lox?"
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Can there be 2 leads (Jada & Styles) and 1 foil (Sheek)?

  

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17. "I actually think jada is the solo lead and styles and sheek the foils"
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this explaining why jada's solo jaunts are mostly underwhelming. Without the grimy hard hitting styles verses and swagged up loose verses sheek provides jada's punchline verses arn't as punchy on a solo jaunt.

I mentioned this in my post further down but i don't think lead MC necessarily equals best/most interesting MC.

  

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8. "Run DMC"
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Run was the lead. DMC was the foil. Though it's always interesting with DMC fans.
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10. "yep"
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>Run was the lead. DMC was the foil. Though it's always
>interesting with DMC fans.

I always saw Run as "Alvin" and DMC as "Simon" in that group

Simon was good enough to be the guy, but you know the one who took the lead on those tracks was ALVIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN

  

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26. "DMC was the more lyrical of the two"
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and I always felt he was holding back
but the interesting case with Run DMC is that they both were incredible emcees

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9. "interesting topic.. but i think with PE and Wu"
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flav and ODB balanced out the seriousness of the group, which made for a more balanced whole. i guess that also might be a foil characteristic... Those groups needed some sort of comic relief to be truly great

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11. "this just seems like a roundabout way to say no group rapper"
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can be in the GOAT convo.

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12. "sounds like you're just butt hurt"
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i mean i've made plenty of posts specifically to shit on such rappers. this is a post about group dynamics.
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13. "What's your thoughts on Nice & Smooth? That's a tougher call based"
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on your criteria.

  

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14. "Greg Nice was the lead without a doubt"
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Smooth B just didn't have enough presence, though he may have been the more skilled or whatever.
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15. "Yeah, it's just interesting because usually the foil is the less serious"
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guy. Smooth B came off like he was a little more dedicated to the technical aspects of rapping, however Greg Nice was more instrumental to the group's success.
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16. "Interesting idea i assume if the foil makes a listenable solo record"
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though it discounts the importance of the "foil" MC or even their "foil" status to begin with. Im thinking specifically of Tip, where i enjoy listening to his solo lps and never think about how this song or that song could do with a phife verse. This example kind of devalues the idea of phife or any of the others as foil MCs in tribe. However i'd agree with your other examples.

It should also be pointed out that while one may be identified as the lead and another as the foil i don't think it necessarily means the lead is the better MC.

  

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18. "RE: imcvspl's Deep Thoughts: The Foil MC"
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Wed Nov-23-11 05:17 PM by all stah

          

Flav wasn't a foil mc...shit, flav wasn't a mc

Flav was just a hype man.His name is quite indicative of what his duty was: to bring flavor to songs...adlibs, grunts, soundbites, etc.

He was the effects to chuck d's motion picture.




  

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19. "let's talk OB4CL for a sec..."
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in hindsight, no one is saying rae is the superior mc to ghost.

but in 95...going INTO OB4CL...and the ROLES that each played...

is ghost the perfect foil to raekwon on that album?

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20. "Malik was never on Black Thought's level & never was gonna be"
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any 'what if' suggesting he was or would have been is an over-romanticized notion that has little to do with music.

  

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21. "Malik owned Illadelph with less verses n/m"
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22. "No. Just no."
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Respond/React
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Thought's performance goes down top 5 of all-time for an MC over the course of an album.

  

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23. "^^^Opinion More Horrifying Than Dram Stroker"
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24. "It's like PORN owning Rising Down"
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Shit was consensus round my way. And I'm not trying to knock Thought at all or say he wasn't the lead on the album, just saying at that time a mofo thought Malik had it in him.
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25. "^^^This Opinion Is Worse Than The Rap Name Of The Guy Its Touting"
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>Shit was consensus round my way. And I'm not trying to knock
>Thought at all or say he wasn't the lead on the album, just
>saying at that time a mofo thought Malik had it in him.
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31. "And yet..."
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15 has explained how P.O.R.N. was owning mofos in the booth.

  

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38. "Porn told us more about himself on "I Can't Help It"..."
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....than Thought's whole pre-Game Theory career.

Thought's the best pound-for-pound technical emcee, maybe, but don't discredit Porn just to win an argument.

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39. "my bad this wasnt directed at you, primus"
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i was addressing the dude named after the shaggy song

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40. "forgot how to post...lol"
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27. "Kast is interesting... i think i'd say they had 2 leads.. BUT i think"
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3000 was more lead-y... i think if you look at what they added to each other (strictly looking from their perspectives), dre added more to big boi than big boi added to dre...

i think for 3stacks, big boi was just the element that kept him "real".. that didn't make ppl look at him like "what the FUCK is up w/ THIS guy?!".. and that's purely in image alone... so, sure that balance is super important to outkast's reception, i don't know how much it affected the *music*.. cuz no one was questioning dre on the mic or w/ the musical decisions, just the outlandish, off-wax character..

for big boi, i think dre added more of a musical element.. obviously big boi is sick.. we all love his raps.. but tell me the outkast tracks he did w/ no dre were NEARLY as interesting as the tracks w/ dre... i know we don't really have songs for the alternative, but i think if big boi was solo starting from 96 or so, he prob. could've made it to 99 as a relevant MC.. it's not that big boi is "boring".. but i think it took a while for his personality to stand out enough to be able to make it solo... i think dre had that element from the get go..

but i think all outkast fans like both of them enough for both to have that "lead" role... even if dre is your favorite, no one ever discounted big boi or thought he wasn't pulling his weight.. mofos were equal as shit..

  

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28. "Was Supeb Ghost's foil... hmmm"
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At the heart of this post is the notion that rhyming with someone makes you a better rhymer. The flip being that MC's in a vacuum can't reach their full potential (<< not completely convinced on that). hmmmmmmm.
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29. "GLC, never been in a group but always kills features"
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just for carrying himself how he does. The spot on Kendrick Lamar and Kanye's albums come to mind. I don't think I could enjoy him on a solo journey but I always enjoy when he shows up and until it's been a few listens it's rarely for his word choice.


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30. "Tyler is definitely more on point flow-wise when Earl is present.."
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..either on the track or just in the studio.


  

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32. "Bone Thugs N Harmony?"
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33. "Little Brother"
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Phonte is obviously the lead, but was it always this way?
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34. "Cypress Hill"
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B-Real was the obvious lead, but I think Sen Dogg was an essential foil in that equation. No matter how nice B-Real came with it, nobody would deal with a full length of just his voice.
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35. "NWA"
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Eazy E was arguably the lead out the gate, but it soon became clear that Ice Cube was the puppet master. MC Ren then was the foil. Post cube could it be Ren was the lead to Eazy's foil though. I mean the verses you waited for were Ren's at that point even if he still maintained the background role. He was the Chuck to Eazy's Flav but they gave Flav more mic time.
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36. "I'm struggling to think of new groups"
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that don't come off as all foil groups. Either they all seem non stand outish or the lead would make a good foil.
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37. "Leaders of the New School"
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It's easy to say Busta in hindsight, but really he took the spot from C Brown. On the first album Brown is the leader and about midway you see Busta creeping up on him. By the second album he brought his lesser than clone cousin into the mix to offset him as the obvious lead. Dinco was C Brown's foil, but managed to fade behind Milo... and that's saying something because Dinco was nice.
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41. "how about Clipse?"
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Malice was wiser. Pusha was more brash, but both complimented each other perfectly and I can't say one was better than the other.

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42. "Wait...did WTT turn Jay-Z into Kanye's foil?"
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A good ole' switcheroo?

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44. "a similar instance of this is Waka/Gucci recently"
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43. "Travis Porter."
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Ali, Quez or Strap?

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45. "good post"
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I agree with your premise but how do u think the "foil" mc's see themselves?

weve discussed Phife & Vin Roc to death they started of as placeholders IMO not really foils tho.

DMC tho is a great example as his authorative voice/prescence offset Runs style. I also wouldnt put it past Russell who had a lot of influence on the group to purposly position it as Run's group w DMC. However around my way it was known that DMC was actually the better MC.

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46. "Just to clear this up, Run was nice as fuck"
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Run had the swag
DMC had the conviction

There was a time when conviction was valued over swag. But swag was always more crowd pleasing. A lot of times when it came down to examples like this, choices were good indication of where one lied in relationship to the art of MCing.

But let's be honest, Run could run MUCH better than DMC. DMC hard bodied you with straight angle heat. Run could round the curve more. Run was the show off. DMC knew he was better.
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47. "Run was the "little engine that could""
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he rhymed his "widdle" heart out.

his passion while something to be dmired was larger than his actual talent level tho. He blew his wad on Sucka MC's. He had other moments that were equal later (Runs House) but he never got better.

Runs verses were fun but when DMC's verse came I actually listened. It was the combo of the voice, the glasses, he just looked the part more and had the authorative voice.

>But let's be honest, Run could run MUCH better than DMC. DMC
>hard bodied you with straight angle heat. Run could round the
>curve more. Run was the show off. DMC knew he was better.>

I disagree. Again Run had Russel in his corner. they were all cool but Run and Russ were blood. Russ made sure Run was the star. Plus DMC admittedly was shy, and didnt crave the spotlight so the arrangment actually worked.

Come to think about it Im sure their respective personalities had something to do with their success and how they survived so long as a group. Run wanted the lead role DMC didnt. Their was no clash.

Counter that with Big Boi and Dre where Big Boi would never aqueise to Dre hence the tension in the group and why they arent makeing any music now.

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48. "What About Brand Nubian?"
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When they first came out Grand Puba was the star attraction for Brand Nubian but when he left the group Sadat X become the main rapper of the group while Lord Jamar was always the foil rapper of the group.

Lord Jamar held his own but never was on the same level as Puba or Sadat but he fit so well with them though; and even when Puba came back in the group two albums later, Sadat became the lead rapper in my opinion.


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49. "Goodie Mob"
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The Fugees

The Coup

Dogg Pound (Though Daz made the beats, so i'm not sure if that would make him second fiddle, but strictly on the mc tip, yeah)

Mobb Deep - I think they kinda would swap places as who was holding down the lead role. In the beginning Prodigy was pretty much in the lead, but as the progressed so did Havoc's rhyming.


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