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revolution75
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"The Original 7ven-Condenstate (the album)"


  

          

Wowsers! I just listened to this.
I just walked a hole in my Stacy Adams.
The snippets and sequencing didn't do this justice
This shit bangs.......n that Pandemonium kinda way not n a What Time is It way.
The lyrics could have been better but when did I listen to the Time for subject matter?
And I would have left Hey Yo off (the song isn't bad 4 what it is...just feels out of place)
I'm proud of these guys (and F deluxe)...30 yeas later and still cool with each other despite the purple people eater's shenanigans.
A+


Anyone else cop?
Doc, OP..... where u at??

Eclectic Soul/Sunday, 2-4 PM est/89.3 WCSB.ORG

  

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Loving both albums so far
Oct 18th 2011
1
yeah...
Oct 18th 2011
2
Yo......
Oct 18th 2011
23
maaaan
Oct 18th 2011
29
Yo...
Oct 26th 2011
171
when I get outta here, man....
Oct 18th 2011
3
its on spotify
Oct 18th 2011
5
I'm back east right now
Oct 18th 2011
4
i was giving them the side eye
Oct 18th 2011
6
      If I Was Yo Man is really good
Oct 18th 2011
7
           I thought by the snippets that it would be a good song....
Oct 18th 2011
12
           RE: If I Was Yo Man is really good
Oct 18th 2011
13
i'm blown away man..
Oct 18th 2011
8
RE: i'm blown away man..
Oct 18th 2011
16
This album is the surprise of the year.
Oct 18th 2011
9
indeed
Oct 18th 2011
15
Faithful is every bit as good as i hoped it would be
Oct 18th 2011
10
RE: Faithful is every bit as good as i hoped it would be
Oct 18th 2011
11
I got the deluxe
Oct 18th 2011
14
I really hope they tour and drop another album
Oct 18th 2011
17
this sounds a lot like something I would say... can't wait to hear it.
Oct 18th 2011
19
flat and oridinary IMO
Oct 18th 2011
18
Not even close
Oct 18th 2011
20
he won't like it unless/until it's a hit.
Oct 18th 2011
30
      they could use a R.Kelly to bring them up to date
Oct 18th 2011
54
           RE: they could use a R.Kelly to bring them up to date <---- BOOOO.
Oct 19th 2011
55
                RE: they could use a R.Kelly to bring them up to date <---- BOOOO.
Oct 19th 2011
62
                     like i said i did listen to the album and it ain't about much
Oct 19th 2011
64
                          RE: like i said i did listen to the album and it ain't about much
Oct 19th 2011
66
                               RE: like i said i did listen to the album and it ain't about much
Oct 19th 2011
69
                                    RE: like i said i did listen to the album and it ain't about much
Oct 19th 2011
72
                                    RE: like i said i did listen to the album and it ain't about much
Oct 19th 2011
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                                         RE: like i said i did listen to the album and it ain't about much
Oct 19th 2011
78
                                              lets be clear on a thing or two you find a way to not show tact
Oct 19th 2011
83
                                                   ..wow.
Oct 20th 2011
118
                                                        double wow
Nov 10th 2011
265
                                    Sorry man but it really don't sound like you've heard this album
Oct 19th 2011
75
sorry bro maxx
Oct 18th 2011
21
lol...
Oct 18th 2011
22
      you'd be surprise at who i know and that garbage
Oct 18th 2011
53
Just to let ya'll know....
Oct 18th 2011
24
Nice
Oct 18th 2011
25
Playing MPLS 11/5
Oct 18th 2011
27
Hey Murph, ask about the song Condensate if you could
Oct 19th 2011
77
RE: Hey Murph, ask about the song Condensate if you could
Oct 19th 2011
79
ask them...
Oct 19th 2011
95
      RE: ask them...
Oct 19th 2011
99
           *crossing fingers AND legs**
Oct 19th 2011
101
The Original 7ven talk Prince, name change, Purple Rain sequel (swipe)
Oct 18th 2011
26
they're some cool dudes
Oct 18th 2011
28
      i appreciated that too.
Oct 18th 2011
31
this record
Oct 18th 2011
32
...just came from Best Buy
Oct 18th 2011
33
Man
Oct 18th 2011
35
these dudes were in 'How's The Family?' mode with this record
Oct 18th 2011
39
...and "we're gonna kill him" mode too
Oct 18th 2011
41
and "stay awhile...see how its dun" mode..
Oct 18th 2011
42
on this level????
Oct 18th 2011
40
RE: on this level????
Oct 18th 2011
47
calm down, fanboy.
Oct 18th 2011
48
that was the 1/2 time
Oct 18th 2011
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      RE: that was the 1/2 time
Oct 18th 2011
52
      okay, guy.
Oct 19th 2011
56
      Hold on now lol
Oct 19th 2011
80
           LOL
Oct 19th 2011
85
                I've seen P live 10 times now
Oct 19th 2011
87
                     word?
Oct 19th 2011
88
                          I'm lmao @ the idea of an 8 year old at THAT show
Oct 19th 2011
94
                               man lmao at my pops 4 taking me
Oct 19th 2011
96
RE: on this level????
Oct 19th 2011
93
RE: Man
Oct 21st 2011
144
      Lotus/MS
Oct 24th 2011
158
Yep.... LOL
Oct 18th 2011
38
      Monte's always $$
Oct 18th 2011
43
      that's the only cut from pandemonium that's on my ipod
Oct 18th 2011
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      that is one slept on slow jam
Oct 18th 2011
45
      Nobody likes "Chocolate?"
Oct 24th 2011
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      I think Hey Yo and Gohometoyoman both sould be bonus tracks
Oct 19th 2011
81
           that song
Oct 19th 2011
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I was waiting for someone else to say this first lol
Oct 18th 2011
34
If I was... is "awesome sauce"
Oct 18th 2011
36
Word up
Oct 18th 2011
37
lol.
Oct 19th 2011
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      RE: lol.
Oct 19th 2011
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           I agree
Oct 19th 2011
82
           I saw them last night and Jesse was clearly the star
Oct 21st 2011
143
                They playing stuf from the new album right?
Oct 24th 2011
159
                     Only Trending & Condensate
Oct 26th 2011
190
RE: this record
Oct 18th 2011
46
hence my comment up above in regards 2 the live show
Oct 18th 2011
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      RE: hence my comment up above in regards 2 the live show
Oct 18th 2011
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           lemme put a point on it...
Oct 19th 2011
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                RE: lemme put a point on it...
Oct 19th 2011
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                     RE: lemme put a point on it...
Oct 19th 2011
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                     RE: lemme put a point on it...
Oct 19th 2011
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                     Me too
Oct 22nd 2011
154
                     good points doc
Oct 19th 2011
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                          RE: good points doc
Oct 19th 2011
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                               bro...
Oct 19th 2011
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                                    not to mention
Oct 19th 2011
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                                    You're right about this, I forgot about that
Oct 19th 2011
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                                         RE: You're right about this, I forgot about that
Oct 19th 2011
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                                              What I really respect is how they don't come off biter
Oct 19th 2011
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                                                   a damn good look
Oct 19th 2011
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                     sho nuff
Oct 19th 2011
63
                     Couldn't have said it better, murph...
Oct 20th 2011
113
RE: this record
Oct 19th 2011
91
Excellent album and documentary!
Oct 19th 2011
89
RE: Excellent album and documentary!
Oct 19th 2011
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RE: Excellent album and documentary!
Oct 19th 2011
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that documentary was worth the price of admission.
Oct 20th 2011
140
RE: The Original 7ven-Condenstate (the album)
Oct 19th 2011
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that damn prince
Oct 19th 2011
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      RE: that damn prince
Oct 19th 2011
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           yeah man
Oct 20th 2011
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                RE: yeah man
Oct 20th 2011
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                well....
Oct 20th 2011
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                     RE: well....
Oct 20th 2011
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                          RE: well....
Oct 20th 2011
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                               speaking of George CLinton where you think Prince got that tight
Oct 20th 2011
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                Morris's band?
Oct 20th 2011
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                     RE: Morris's band?
Oct 20th 2011
125
Nice 5* review (swipe)
Oct 19th 2011
102
whoa... WTF @ Prince
Oct 19th 2011
104
      See when I read shit like that
Oct 19th 2011
105
           the thing is... I can just imagine that scene in my head.
Oct 19th 2011
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           this is all old, OG Minneapolis know the Purple agenda
Oct 19th 2011
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                yeah man i remember
Oct 19th 2011
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                     naw not that one, Jesse was on there twice by himself
Oct 19th 2011
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                          saw em
Oct 20th 2011
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                          naw Man, before that, i'm talking back in 85
Oct 20th 2011
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                          RE: naw not that one, Jesse was on there twice by himself
Oct 20th 2011
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           that dvd is priceles.....best $10 i spent in a long time!!
Oct 19th 2011
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           RE: that dvd is priceles.....best $10 i spent in a long time!!
Oct 20th 2011
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           he knew when he said that....
Oct 20th 2011
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           RE: that dvd is priceles.....best $10 i spent in a long time!!
Oct 20th 2011
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           Prince was 25 at the time, what else was he supposed to say?
Oct 20th 2011
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                good point.
Oct 20th 2011
128
                25 or not being Humble can always be used
Oct 20th 2011
131
                     that victory speech, when I expected them to say 'Prince'
Oct 20th 2011
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                     Clarence Avant pulled strings for the Brothers
Oct 20th 2011
134
                          they mentioned him in the liner notes of this album
Oct 21st 2011
148
                     RE: 25 or not being Humble can always be used
Oct 20th 2011
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                          Bro it is all Mind control regardless how you slice and cut it
Oct 20th 2011
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                          RE: Bro it is all Mind control regardless how you slice and cut it
Oct 20th 2011
136
                          well the time stuff was more raw and the lyrics were more geared
Oct 20th 2011
142
                          RE: Bro it is all Mind control regardless how you slice and cut it
Oct 22nd 2011
152
                          'Insecurity!' (c) 'Computer Blue' (Long Version), Prince & the Rev.
Oct 20th 2011
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                               RE: 'Insecurity!' (c) 'Computer Blue' (Long Version), Prince & the Rev.
Oct 20th 2011
141
no one's gonna tell em that would be pronounced Sevenven?
Oct 19th 2011
103
Nobody cared when the movie "Se7en" came out.... n/m
Oct 19th 2011
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wait... you mean that wasn't meant to be Sesevenen???
Oct 21st 2011
145
RE: no one's gonna tell em that would be pronounced Sevenven?
Oct 22nd 2011
153
there are some banging cuts on here, much better than I anticipated
Oct 20th 2011
137
RE: there are some banging cuts on here, much better than I anticipated
Oct 20th 2011
138
man I knew this was dropping soon but forgot it was this Tuesday!
Oct 21st 2011
146
Yep
Oct 21st 2011
149
      nice, I'm heading out to cop right after I post this message
Oct 21st 2011
150
Pleasantly Surprised
Oct 21st 2011
147
:) this is awesome
Oct 22nd 2011
151
same tired sound tired personalities and themes revisited
Oct 22nd 2011
155
LittleX, ladies and gentlemen.
Oct 22nd 2011
156
There's one or two I don't really care for
Oct 24th 2011
157
yup, Hey Yo is slightly questionable, there's one other 'ok' cut but
Oct 24th 2011
160
i might give them a tip when i see them perform
Oct 25th 2011
168
do urself a favor
Oct 24th 2011
161
On Sick....the BAYbeee CRAYzeee part kinda bugs me
Oct 24th 2011
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RE: The Original 7ven-Condenstate (the album)
Oct 24th 2011
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This album IS bangin'!
Oct 25th 2011
165
definitely crushing Pandemonium
Oct 25th 2011
166
      Definitely
Oct 25th 2011
167
      yeah, to confirm this I ran the entire album from top to bottom
Oct 26th 2011
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      RE: yeah, to confirm this I ran the entire album from top to bottom
Oct 26th 2011
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      he only had one Great decade IMO
Oct 26th 2011
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           RE: he only had one Great decade IMO
Oct 26th 2011
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           id take Stevie's run over Prince's easily
Oct 26th 2011
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                RE: id take Stevie's run over Prince's easily
Oct 26th 2011
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                     RE: id take Stevie's run over Prince's easily
Oct 27th 2011
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                          RE: id take Stevie's run over Prince's easily
Oct 27th 2011
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                               RE: id take Stevie's run over Prince's easily
Oct 27th 2011
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           RE: he only had one Great decade IMO
Oct 26th 2011
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                RE: he only had one Great decade IMO
Oct 26th 2011
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                Good point on those boots
Oct 26th 2011
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                     you ain't kidding
Oct 26th 2011
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                          imagine purple music as a b side
Oct 26th 2011
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                          RE: you ain't kidding
Oct 26th 2011
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                               i strongly dissagree on alot of those boots
Oct 26th 2011
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                                    RE: i strongly dissagree on alot of those boots
Oct 26th 2011
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                the point of saying he had only one wasn't to downplay his importance
Oct 26th 2011
188
                     RE: the point of saying he had only one wasn't to downplay his importanc...
Oct 29th 2011
220
      Jerk Out like most of the best Grafitti Bridge stuff was a rehash/rework
Oct 26th 2011
186
      the first time i was let down by p
Oct 26th 2011
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      RE: definitely crushing Pandemonium
Oct 26th 2011
172
Yo...
Oct 26th 2011
173
do they wish the movie that was said to be done with Janet jackson
Oct 26th 2011
174
along the lines of Maxxx:
Oct 26th 2011
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They talked about this on the dvd
Oct 26th 2011
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you're right... I forgot about that part
Oct 26th 2011
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Jesse had two tracks on janets dream street which were liteweight
Oct 27th 2011
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Do any of the members have artists they are working with?
Oct 26th 2011
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      RE: Do any of the members have artists they are working with?
Oct 27th 2011
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Yeah...this album is very very good...
Oct 27th 2011
195
More questions for Murph for the Original 7ven
Oct 27th 2011
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Live on Leno
Oct 28th 2011
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I loved how they switched into 'Cool' at that one part
Oct 28th 2011
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I knew those were going to both sound great live
Oct 28th 2011
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      they gotta have a tour coming off this right? I'm kinda mad I didn't
Oct 30th 2011
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I just happened to come across their name last night in the info guide
Oct 28th 2011
205
      I hate how they have these shows run over
Oct 28th 2011
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           yup, I messed up not doing so
Oct 28th 2011
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Murph if your interview hasn't gone down yet and you check in b4 hand
Oct 28th 2011
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I really feel the same way
Oct 28th 2011
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I'm not ashamed to say i like Hey Yo
Oct 28th 2011
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      my follow up
Oct 29th 2011
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RE: Murph if your interview hasn't gone down yet and you check in b4 han...
Oct 28th 2011
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RE: Murph if your interview hasn't gone down yet and you check in b4 han...
Oct 28th 2011
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RE: Murph if your interview hasn't gone down yet and you check in b4 han...
Oct 28th 2011
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RE: Murph if your interview hasn't gone down yet and you check in b4 han...
Oct 28th 2011
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Murph..
Oct 29th 2011
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      RE: Murph..
Oct 31st 2011
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RE: Murph if your interview hasn't gone down yet and you check in b4 han...
Oct 29th 2011
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      Thanks Murph
Nov 03rd 2011
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Prince should be afraid
Oct 29th 2011
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Murph I have a question for the guys
Oct 29th 2011
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RE: Murph I have a question for the guys
Oct 29th 2011
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      RE: Murph I have a question for the guys
Oct 29th 2011
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           RE: Murph I have a question for the guys
Oct 29th 2011
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                RE: Murph I have a question for the guys
Oct 29th 2011
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damn, 'Role Play' goes hard as hell, that & 'Party Girl' Im stuck on now
Oct 29th 2011
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great thread fellas
Oct 30th 2011
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i'm more glad they are together than the record
Oct 31st 2011
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I like the record more than you do but I feel what you're saying
Oct 31st 2011
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      i'm so happy for those cats because they paid alot of dues
Oct 31st 2011
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           and that's realer than Real Deal Holyfield(c)Calvin Broadus
Oct 31st 2011
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           RE: i'm so happy for those cats because they paid alot of dues
Oct 31st 2011
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                ^^^^ DIRECT IV OF PURPLESAURUS REX
Oct 31st 2011
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                Ha....
Oct 31st 2011
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                Terrible analogy
Nov 03rd 2011
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                     RE: Terrible analogy
Nov 06th 2011
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RE: The Original 7ven-Condenstate (the album)
Nov 03rd 2011
236
yeah, Strawberry Lake is one of if not the weakest track
Nov 03rd 2011
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      To each their own
Nov 03rd 2011
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      RE: To each their own
Nov 03rd 2011
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      Nope don't cringe at all
Nov 03rd 2011
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           RE: Nope don't cringe at all
Nov 03rd 2011
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      it has a bit of that light/airy 'paisley park is in ur heart' feel to it
Nov 03rd 2011
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      yeah, man
Nov 03rd 2011
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           RE: yeah, man
Nov 03rd 2011
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      RE: yeah, Strawberry Lake is one of if not the weakest track
Nov 03rd 2011
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           RE: yeah, Strawberry Lake is one of if not the weakest track
Nov 03rd 2011
246
All in all though, none of us should be at all surprised that this album...
Nov 03rd 2011
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RE: All in all though, none of us should be at all surprised that this a...
Nov 03rd 2011
250
ROFLMMFAO @ Jesse and 'em talking about Zapp (LINK)
Nov 05th 2011
251
LMAO @ them shitting on Graffiti Bridge
Nov 05th 2011
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thanks for that clip!
Nov 06th 2011
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lol.. yeah that was crazy....great interview...
Nov 06th 2011
257
classic
Nov 06th 2011
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That shit is kind of eerie now
Nov 07th 2011
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      yeah, Jesse remembers everything, it seems...
Nov 07th 2011
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The documentary is melancholy
Nov 05th 2011
252
#Trendin live from the LA Show (youtube)
Nov 05th 2011
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Looks like Strawberry Lake
Nov 06th 2011
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real talk...??
Nov 07th 2011
262
this album just makes me so happy man...
Nov 10th 2011
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RE: this album just makes me so happy man...
Nov 10th 2011
264

ZooTown74
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1. "Loving both albums so far"
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No, it doesn't have the Prince Sound, but it's really solid work from both groups...

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Too many chiefs, yo.

  

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revolution75
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2. "yeah..."
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Not sure how these projects would have worked out with the Prince of 2011's involvemet....especially the songwriting. Morris and 'nem have a few explicit moments on Condensate.

Eclectic Soul/Sunday, 2-4 PM est/89.3 WCSB.ORG

  

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murph71
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23. "Yo......"
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Tue Oct-18-11 03:13 PM by murph71

          



You guys are getting me geeked...I gotta check it out....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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revolution75
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29. "maaaan"
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i listened to this all day long while @ work
ALL DAY!!!

i havent done that in a long time

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171. "Yo..."
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Wed Oct-26-11 08:50 AM by murph71

          



I can't talk about the guitar work enough on this new "Time" album...Sick, sick, sick...Jesse showing his ass...Yikes...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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Dr Claw
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3. "when I get outta here, man...."
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>Anyone else cop?
>Doc, OP..... where u at??

you know it will be copped. Told ya it was gonna be aight. As long as Jesse and 'em were involved. I mean Verbal Penetration was pretty good, if only a little "extra" with it being a double album. Jesse was doing things I kinda expected to have heard from D'Mumblo from now on the R&B side.

  

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revolution75
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5. "its on spotify"
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That's how I checked it out.
I wil be hitting Best Buy when I exit the gig as well.

Yeah bro u were dead on it with this one..
I wanted some mpls style grooves (got it)
No guest raps and auto tune (this is my grown folk music measuring stick)
Even got me a Monte Moir Sometimes I Get Lonely style slow jam.

And yeah VP really blew me away. I wasn't expecting Jesse to deliever a record like that.

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4. "I'm back east right now"
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but I'm going out looking for a best buy in a bit to pick it up. I actually liked the title track once I heard the whole thing so I'm a bit more hopeful with this album.
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revolution75
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6. "i was giving them the side eye"
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After the snippets
So my expectations were at a y'all niggas prob ain't gon top Pandemonium
Man was I wrong
The musicianship is in place (even on Hey Yo).
They take ordinary songs and stank em up
All I could think about while listening was that they're gonna kill it live!!!

Eclectic Soul/Sunday, 2-4 PM est/89.3 WCSB.ORG

  

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7. "If I Was Yo Man is really good"
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Just a couple tracks in and Im already loving this album. Just another case of how snippets don't do some shit justice.
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Dr Claw
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12. "I thought by the snippets that it would be a good song...."
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>Just a couple tracks in and Im already loving this album.
>Just another case of how snippets don't do some shit justice.

but I bet that they "snipped" those tracks right, to cast that shadow to pleasantly surprise listeners.

  

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revolution75
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13. "RE: If I Was Yo Man is really good"
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That's the track thatb sold me...
If it went downhill after that, I was cool. But it kept going

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8. "i'm blown away man.."
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they killed it.. the switchups on "toast to the party girl" are way too ill . "

  

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16. "RE: i'm blown away man.."
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Yeah the ending's sleazy
Imagine that live!

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9. "This album is the surprise of the year."
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Wow.

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15. "indeed"
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I'm really happy 4 these cats.

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10. "Faithful is every bit as good as i hoped it would be"
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Only two I'm luke warm on so far are Trendin & Lifestyle

This album is already better than pandemonium
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11. "RE: Faithful is every bit as good as i hoped it would be"
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>Only two I'm luke warm on so far are Trendin & Lifestyle

"Lifestyle" reminds me of The-Dream's "Fancy".

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14. "I got the deluxe"
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Will check out cd and dvd tonight.

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17. "I really hope they tour and drop another album"
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I know it's a lot of ask from a group that went almost two full decades between releases but they really do sound like a group that still has some gas left in the tank. Some people are going to be unhappy they aren't coming with the straight up Minneapolis Sound but the way they work it in here keeps them from sounding stale imo. I've played this twice now all the way through and have no problems admitting I like this better than Pandemonium & Ice Cream Castles. Yeah I know Jungle Love and the Bird are on there but I've never been a huge fan or either of those cuts... my fav on that album always has been My Drawers. I loved Jerk out but most of the other cuts on Pandemonium feel a little flat for me. This album here really sounds like it was put together by a band... the way they work some of these songs out from the middle on should serve as a reminder of just how damn good these cats were back in the day.

I'm going to go on and give this an 8 out of 10.... very worth the purchase for me.
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19. "this sounds a lot like something I would say... can't wait to hear it."
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>I know it's a lot of ask from a group that went almost two
>full decades between releases but they really do sound like a
>group that still has some gas left in the tank. Some people
>are going to be unhappy they aren't coming with the straight
>up Minneapolis Sound but the way they work it in here keeps
>them from sounding stale imo. I've played this twice now all
>the way through and have no problems admitting I like this
>better than Pandemonium & Ice Cream Castles. Yeah I know
>Jungle Love and the Bird are on there but I've never been a
>huge fan or either of those cuts... my fav on that album
>always has been My Drawers. I loved Jerk out but most of the
>other cuts on Pandemonium feel a little flat for me. This
>album here really sounds like it was put together by a band...
>the way they work some of these songs out from the middle on
>should serve as a reminder of just how damn good these cats
>were back in the day.

ditto for Ice Cream Castles. I've said numerous times that it's the least "Time" sounding record. It has 1 monster single, one sort of "sidekick" single, the title track breaks the fourth wall worse than anything else they ever recorded, and the best cut is an album cut ("My Drawers"). After that, what's left? "Chili Sauce" and "If The Kid Can't Make You Come" (which doesn't sound like The Time at all).


  

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18. "flat and oridinary IMO"
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just sounds like they took there old school sounds and flipped it together and made songs out of it. i heard the whole thing over the weekend and nothing IMO stands out. aint no Jungle Love or even "sometimes I get lonely type of cut in here.

sounds like lost 2nd tier b sides.

production is all that keeps it moving and sadly this ain't worth no 20 year wait or 10 year wait IMO

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20. "Not even close"
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>just sounds like they took there old school sounds and
>flipped it together and made songs out of it.

I wouldn't have expected you to dig this any way but saying these tracks are just a reworking of their old sounds is far from accurate. In fact that's what i was expecting... and I think many others were too. Makes me wonder how much time you actually spent with this.
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30. "he won't like it unless/until it's a hit."
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fuck you.

  

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54. "they could use a R.Kelly to bring them up to date"
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i ain't stuck in a time warp and this album ain't even as good as F Deluxe IMO which is better than this.

Jam and lewis ain't counted since 93. I liked Jesse's last album beter than this record.

Morris ain't changed at all.

they was cool when I was in grade school but they aren't part of my Grown up tastes at all.

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55. "RE: they could use a R.Kelly to bring them up to date <---- BOOOO."
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they don't need no Kells on this. They sound plenty like "now" on this record without his help.

  

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62. "RE: they could use a R.Kelly to bring them up to date <---- BOOOO."
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>they don't need no Kells on this. They sound plenty like
>"now" on this record without his help.


Why bother...Maxx hasn't listened to this album yet...He's still going by snippets...

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64. "like i said i did listen to the album and it ain't about much"
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didn't feel like anything was that interesting at all. Sly and the family stone influence throughout it.

i don't appreciate folks even daring me on music especially when i know my stuff and especially on said act because I use to follow the minneapolis sound big time.

they could have used an R.kelly especially on the songwriting department.

ain't nothing there that moved me and as usual i got my own mind and as usual folks can't ever respect my opinion or difference what else is new around here?

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66. "RE: like i said i did listen to the album and it ain't about much"
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>didn't feel like anything was that interesting at all. Sly
>and the family stone influence throughout it.
>
>i don't appreciate folks even daring me on music especially
>when i know my stuff and especially on said act because I use
>to follow the minneapolis sound big time.
>
>they could have used an R.kelly especially on the songwriting
>department.
>
>ain't nothing there that moved me and as usual i got my own
>mind and as usual folks can't ever respect my opinion or
>difference what else is new around here?


If you are a Time fan there are songs on this album that pull you in, Maxx...There's some mediocre moments on this new Time album as well...But there's also some STRONG moments....Moments that can't be denied...

If you are about only shitting on anything mildly Prince-related (the irony is, this album, aside from some of the Minneapolis sound being updated, does not even have the "Prince" stamp on it...) then I guess you will find any reason to hate since that's been your thing...

And bringing R Kelly into this???? lol...

No disrespect, but you look foolish and bitter, homie...Those guys r doing music on their own terms and they don't have the BIG MACHINE behind them...Yet they got in the studio and made some cool ass music...

Not everything has to sell a billion albums Maxx...You should appreciate that...Kellz' latest album has not even gone gold yet (we talking barely here), but it's a damn good album right?

That's all people are saying here...

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69. "RE: like i said i did listen to the album and it ain't about much"
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as usual you always want to be right can't never respect anyone else's opinion if a album or said artist doesn't move them etc..

Kellz album did go gold it went a few months ago and I mention him because it is the same ole nature of the lyrical content the time was about when i was in grade school. the same ole same.

this album sounds in alot of ways patch work from Padimonium and Ice cream castles thrown in with a few other things here and there IMO.

i use to dig them live and always respect them as Musicians so Homie that ain't even up for discussion, because Jesse Johnson is always the truth on the Axe and Jam and Lewis were tight Hot shot producers back in the day and Morris Day was to the Time much like what David Lee Roth was to Van Halen OG Style.

having said that this album is just kinda there and while they can play and pretty much stay in character to what they have always done, it ain't moving me like that.

i'm not the only one, i know other Time fans who ain't feeling this album too tight.

i didn't say a thing about Prince because he ain't exactly knocking it out the park in the studio, not by a long shot, i'll say this for them though they made a record without him and are going to make some loot in the Process so more power to them, it just didn't move me thats all.

never said nothing about something having to sell a Billion albums,etc... however you'd be a fool to think they don't want a hit and a succesful run and tour and not stick it to Prince from the standpoint they did this on there own.

i do wonder how might things have been different if that story line in the control video had have turned into a full fledge motion picture which was being talked about back in 87?? also originally warner brothers was going to put out a Greatest hits by the time back then,but it didn't happen, but i do wonder how if that film and the tie in with Janet Jackson may have been toward them in hindsight??


they were a once promising band but in hindsight truly a time period piece, but talented.

sorry if I don't get all excited about an act that was something else back when i was in grade school, but in 30 years ain't changed much to my ears, however still talented, but nothing much different.

far from bitter homie you need to learn to seperate the two.

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72. "RE: like i said i did listen to the album and it ain't about much"
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We don't have to do the same song and dance with this Maxx...

Your posts in this thread come off as bitter...That's all...

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74. "RE: like i said i did listen to the album and it ain't about much"
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you call me names because i don't feel this album is all that. fine. far from bitter bro though.just didn't feel the album and entitled to my opinion. nevetheless glad to see them cashing in and playing together.

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78. "RE: like i said i did listen to the album and it ain't about much"
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>you call me names because i don't feel this album is all
>that. fine. far from bitter bro though.just didn't feel the
>album and entitled to my opinion. nevetheless glad to see them
>cashing in and playing together.


Calling your post bitter is far from name calling...You're taking this somewhere else to cover up that fact that you are just plain wrong...

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83. "lets be clear on a thing or two you find a way to not show tact"
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calling somebody wrong about Music and respectfully disagreeing is two different things its ashame you haven't learned to have tact.

i'm not wrong about a thing, i'm entitled to my opinion as you are. neither one of us is wrong my friend we just differ on the subject learn the difference and keep it moving and keep it classy.

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118. "..wow."
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75. "Sorry man but it really don't sound like you've heard this album"
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"it is the same ole nature of the lyrical content the time was about when i was in grade school. the same ole same."

"this album sounds in alot of ways patch work from Padimonium and Ice cream castles thrown in with a few other things here and there IMO."

At least not extensively

Not saying you didn't have access but the way you're posting sounds like something I might have said after hearing the snippets.

But I'm just going to leave it here... as Murph said this dance is played.
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21. "sorry bro maxx"
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I have to disagree with u on this one
These brothers put their heart into this
Jimmy and Terry said they all wrote this while recording...no bsides
If I was your man is a "money" cut
And Go Home To ur Man has the Sometime I Get Lonely groove
Save a few tracks, this record's amazing
Even the lackluster tracks aren't bad but....

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22. "lol..."
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>whole thing over the weekend and nothing IMO stands out.

album leaked yesterday so there is no way u heard it over the weekend. u had made your opinion way before this album came out and the fact that you ain't naming songs from album shows how much u know about it..

  

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53. "you'd be surprise at who i know and that garbage "
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ain't nothing to write home about. they never were no real writers just a Jam band and those ain't about much either.

this mess was suppose to have dropped back in 07 and 08.

Jungle Love is the last important track they did imo.

they only got one semi must have album if you will and that is "what time is it"?

and that ain't even all that in hindsight they were always better live than the studio stuff.

the Gray Panther party needs to hang it up.

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24. "Just to let ya'll know...."
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I'm tentatively set to interview Jimmy Jam and Morris this Friday...Send me any questions you guys may have....Should be fun...

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25. "Nice"
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I'm sure this will get asked but could you inquire about any possible tour dates or some more vegas shows? I'd really like to hear some of this new stuff live.
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27. "Playing MPLS 11/5"
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I'd be there if I could afford to miss a shift. Just saw Morris and the (part)Time this summer tho, they opened w/ Cool into Get it Up, so I feel slightly less bad about missing this.

  

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77. "Hey Murph, ask about the song Condensate if you could"
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I'd like to know if that was an answer record to P's Black Sweat. I know they have been working on these songs over the last few years... and from the lyrics and groove I'm thinking this could have been done right around the time P dropped BS. It's good either way but I really wan to believe this is their answer to Black Sweat lol
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79. "RE: Hey Murph, ask about the song Condensate if you could"
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cool...

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95. "ask them..."
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About the female vocal input of Sue Ann Carwell
Was that Jam and Lewis or Jesse?

It would be hilarious if u did a full clip w those dudes.....lol

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99. "RE: ask them..."
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>About the female vocal input of Sue Ann Carwell
>Was that Jam and Lewis or Jesse?
>
>It would be hilarious if u did a full clip w those
>dudes.....lol


Funny enough, a Full Clip with Jam & Lewis is something I really want to do...keep your fingers crossed...

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101. "*crossing fingers AND legs**"
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they seem like really cool dudes
im hoping they would allow that

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26. "The Original 7ven talk Prince, name change, Purple Rain sequel (swipe)"
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http://www.drfunkenberry.com/2011/10/18/the-original-7ven-the-time-talk-name-change-purple-rain-sequel/

>The Original 7ven (The Time) Talk Name Change & Purple Rain Sequel

When I ran into the Time in August, there was no mention of a name change. All they told me is that everything is coming together and its time, for them, to return.

In mid-September, it is announced they are now called The Original 7ven (The band Formerly Known As The Time) and have a new album, "Condensate" which is out now. The Original 7ven consists of all the original members of The Time, Morris Day, Jimmy Jam. Terry Lewis, Jesse Johnson, Monte Moir, Jellybean Johnson, and Jerome Benton.

A member of The Time calls me about the name change. "Ahh. We got you on that, didn't we? We were able to keep it a secret until we wanted it out there."

So, I am thinking before we have this conversation about the name change. About how dirty it is going to get between Prince (who owns the name The Time) and members of the group formerly called The Time. I'm expecting a few curse words about their old boss and touring buddy. What I was not expecting was what they actually said.

"So why the name change? What happened"

"Doc, we love Prince. Love. We are friends. Been friends since we were 11 years old. He told us that he did not want us using the name. That he owns it. We were not going to fight him. Friends do not fight over business. We decided to come up with a new name and move on."

"OK, but why The Original 7ven? Why not Flyte Time? What made you use that name?"

"We could have easily used Flyte Time but we decided to go where people did not expect us to go. This is a name we can call all our own."

"But you guys have been touring underneath the name for 30 years. Why the problem over the name now?"

"Doc, in the past few years, when you have went to see The Time, who was playing? Was it all 7 of the original members? No. Now, when you see the name The Original 7ven, you know it is us. All of us. Not just a part here and there."

Their new song "#Trendin" was released as a 40 second sample and at first, people were slamming it, saying it was not funky.

"How can people judge from a 40 second sample if a song is bad? They need to wait and we are sure they will be satisfied with the new single and the new record."

The talk came back to Prince and the band.

"Prince feared us even back then. We were the only band that he was afraid of. What does that say about us? All of us have been fired by Prince at one time or another. We still love him though. It was business to him and we understand that."

A month passes by and I talk to the band during rehearsals for their upcoming show in Los Angeles at Club Nokia and they tell me they will be also be playing in Minneapolis and New York shortly.

The band sounds tight as they run through new songs and classic favorites.

"We had so many songs to choose from that we recorded. We were waiting for the right deal to come along and we feel we have it. We feel real fans of The Time are going to love it."

But will the name change stick?

"We are the Original 7ven. We always have been. You can call us The Time but we are going to call ourselves The Original 7ven."

They are proud of the new album and cannot wait to tour with it and are looking forward to being on The Tonight Show With Jay Leno on October 27th.

The Original 7ven are legends. Although not all of them were in "Purple Rain" the greatest rock and roll movie ever made, it solidified them and made them achieve cult status, being mentioned and featured in "Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back" by Kevin Smith, a huge Time and Prince fan.

When the talk of Purple Rain came up, they had this to say;

"Prince still looks good. He still plays amazing. We look and sound great too. Prince still has Paisley Park. There is no reason we shouldn't give the people what they want. Let's hire some writers and make a sequel to "Purple Rain" because there is no reason why we can't."

Seriously?

"Yes. Let's use his studios and get it done. He can do it. We can do it. Let's do it."

Interesting. Although they may be called The Original 7ven now, there is no reason to believe they are still not on Time. The new record is a slice of funk for those that remember the Minneapolis Sound and allow it to be updated and not just stuck in the 80's.-DocFB

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28. "they're some cool dudes"
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thanks zoo
u and i know that there was some bad mouthing prince behind closed doors
but no need to air that dirt in public and take away from what's really important...their legacy and music....

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31. "i appreciated that too."
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they're some good dudes.

fuck you.

  

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32. "this record"
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is surprisingly good.
dare I say it, PROPANE AND PROPANE ACCESSORIES.
The boys did good... after 21 years.

No (obvious) autotune.
No rappin'.
Just the Original 7, doin' what they do.
Some suprising turns in a lot of these songs.

"Strawberry Lake" sounds like a Prince song from like ... 1985, but they switch it up at the end to some real funky shit.

Title track is funky as hell.

"If I Was Yo Man"... that's my shit right there.

and you know what... nestled between the other songs on the album, "#Trendin", which I had as a C+/B- type cut sounds better to me.

this is a definite modernized take on their sound. like there are some familiar phrases and melodies that remind you who you're listening to (if Morris's vocals didn't tell enough). The songwriting is actually pretty damn good; the snippets don't really tell the tale at all.

If I could describe this record in one word... it'd be "LIVE". Many of these songs seem to be written for the express purpose of getting a workout in a live concert. The arrangements are very organic, and it feels as if all of them were in the studio at the same time.

Best of all, there's not much of that disjointed feel you got from Pandemonium or Ice Cream Castles here, where you could tell the different songwriters often went their own way. Here, it really feels like a band is playing together and writing together. Most write-ups said the majority of this material was written and recorded in the last 3 years, and it sounds like it.

It's fun, albeit a little sleazy at points, and real energetic. That's The Time in a nutshell.

I'm just kinda blown at how great Morris sounds on this vocally. Even on a song like "Lifestyle"... he really shines as the front man, when he's asked to do more than be the "funny/cool" guy in front.

8/10 pending repeat listen. worth the Geld.

  

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33. "...just came from Best Buy"
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and I was right on the $ with who did what
I knew Monte was behind Gohome
This also solidifies Jam and Lewis' legacy for me
These cats can take "classic" artists and give you just enough of their sound and add a little modern thang on top of it.
Same formula they did with EWF, Patti. Isley's and Chaka....this time with their own crew.

Any one of these songs live is a done deal

Now we all know P is a very competitive dude...would love to see how he's gonna come with it.
Word on the street is that he recently stopped by two girl brothers just to shoot the breeze.......



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35. "Man"
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>Now we all know P is a very competitive dude...would love to
>see how he's gonna come with it.
>Word on the street is that he recently stopped by two girl
>brothers just to shoot the breeze.......

I was trying to think back to the last P album that was seeing this... I'm still not sure I know the answer.


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39. "these dudes were in 'How's The Family?' mode with this record"
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>I was trying to think back to the last P album that was seeing
>this... I'm still not sure I know the answer.

  

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41. "...and "we're gonna kill him" mode too"
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42. "and "stay awhile...see how its dun" mode.."
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40. "on this level????"
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its been a LONG ass time....

and to be honest...he doesn't want it with them on stage either...he would have to pull out all the stops and i dont think that would save him..

he would have to do some one man band type shit...lol

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47. "RE: on this level????"
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>and to be honest...he doesn't want it with them on stage
>either...he would have to pull out all the stops and i dont
>think that would save him..
>
>he would have to do some one man band type shit...lol


Let's not go that far...lol

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48. "calm down, fanboy."
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Prince has been better than them on stage since at least 1984.

i saw The Time open for Prince in 2004. he 'won' for sure.

fuck you.

  

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49. "that was the 1/2 time"
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i saw them too in 04 and it wasn't "the original 7ven"
im talking w/jesse jimmy and terry....live
see that band and hollaback
prince's CURRENT stage show is stale

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52. "RE: that was the 1/2 time"
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>i saw them too in 04 and it wasn't "the original 7ven"
>im talking w/jesse jimmy and terry....live
>see that band and hollaback
>prince's CURRENT stage show is stale


Nah...I don't know what shows you've been watching...The European gigs were dope...And the gigs I saw at the Garden were sick....Like I said, when it comes to the stage Prince ain't shook of those guys...But that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the Time made a damn good album...

Bravo to those guys...

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56. "okay, guy."
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LOL

fuck you.

  

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80. "Hold on now lol"
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"prince's CURRENT stage show is stale"

Come again?

Yeah this new Time album is better than just about everything Prince has dropped since the 80s but we going a little overboard with the live shit. I'm just happy P is being challenged.... let's see what he does about it.
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85. "LOL"
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Not wiggedy Bar Kays (ducks) wack
Its still damn good
Constructive criticism that's all
To the folks like me who absorb every audio and video, I see that he needs new life n his shows.
I see shit coming way b4 he does it
Sheeeit even the ad libs aren't even new
I swear if I see him do a Brick House/Fantastic Voyage/Love Rollercoaster medley one more time..imma pull the plug on the houselights

All I'm saying is that he would have to do a little bit more (for me) if those dudes were on the same bill.
Andy Allo singing Kumbaya won't cut it when I have a medley of Jesse and Bean (or jesse alone) throwin down on Jesse's solo work
Or hearin jam and monte slay the synths works better for me than renato's jazzy solos


Again this is my opinion...lol

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87. "I've seen P live 10 times now"
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and the show I saw last February ranks #2 for me right behind the Triple Threat Tour... but as you said it's just opinion. I'm pretty happy with P's stage show right now... especially the way he sounds.
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88. "word?"
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Sans the old school shtick...those shows were good
Then he added Andy Allo to the fold for the European shows which weighed things down 4 me
Cassandra Neal, his keyboardist neds more time..she can groove!

Triple Threat?That was my 1st Prince show April 1983..for my 8th birthday...lol
Man the last dyn o myte show I saw was the Ona tour and soundcheck...which is very biased...i got to rap a taste with him.
Now thre were damn good ones after that but something about him that era I really dug.
Maybe it was the new arrangements,band and batch of songs.

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94. "I'm lmao @ the idea of an 8 year old at THAT show"
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>Triple Threat?That was my 1st Prince show April 1983..for my
>8th birthday...lol


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96. "man lmao at my pops 4 taking me"
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Man..imagine a James Evans ish dude taking his 8 year old son to see some man humping a bed..
But at the end of the show....he was a fan...he knew why I dug him...

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93. "RE: on this level????"
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>its been a LONG ass time....
>
>and to be honest...he doesn't want it with them on stage
>either...he would have to pull out all the stops and i dont
>think that would save him..
>
>he would have to do some one man band type shit...lol
>
Troof! They are a tight band live. They were already outdoing him in those 80's shows. Watch the documentary.


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144. "RE: Man"
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>>Now we all know P is a very competitive dude...would love
>to
>>see how he's gonna come with it.
>>Word on the street is that he recently stopped by two girl
>>brothers just to shoot the breeze.......
>
>I was trying to think back to the last P album that was seeing
>this... I'm still not sure I know the answer.
>
maybe the one from two years ago you said was the best since 1999?

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158. "Lotus/MS"
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>maybe the one from two years ago you said was the best since
>1999?

And to be clear I said I enjoyed it the most since 1999 (mixing the two albums with the best tracks from both) I recognize Purple Rain, SOTT & Parade are all better albums but there was a lot there I just didn't care for personally.

Still the best of Lotus/MS ain't seeing this new Time album
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38. "Yep.... LOL"
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>and I was right on the $ with who did what
>I knew Monte was behind Gohome
>This also solidifies Jam and Lewis' legacy for me
>These cats can take "classic" artists and give you just enough
>of their sound and add a little modern thang on top of it.
>Same formula they did with EWF, Patti. Isley's and
>Chaka....this time with their own crew.
>
>Any one of these songs live is a done deal
>
>Now we all know P is a very competitive dude...would love to
>see how he's gonna come with it.
>Word on the street is that he recently stopped by two girl
>brothers just to shoot the breeze.......

man.

"Hey Yo" is the weakest link to me. I think that's the only blatant concession in the whole bunch... it's weird hearing Morris over that kind of music, but you know, these dudes. man.

I'm cheesin' like shit @ "GoHomeToYoMan". Monte is the silent killer.

  

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43. "Monte's always $$"
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Ever since the classic Flyte Tyme says...can u say Do You Wanna Like I Do??
The only cut form Pandemonium that's on my Ipod besides Jerk Out is Sometimes I Get Lonely

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44. "that's the only cut from pandemonium that's on my ipod"
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>Ever since the classic Flyte Tyme says...can u say Do You
>Wanna Like I Do??
>The only cut form Pandemonium that's on my Ipod besides Jerk
>Out is Sometimes I Get Lonely
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45. "that is one slept on slow jam"
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deep down inside i wanted another cut like that
and sure enough..monte came through with GoHome...

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163. "Nobody likes "Chocolate?""
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzLCuOaOq8Y


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81. "I think Hey Yo and Gohometoyoman both sould be bonus tracks"
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The official album really should have ended with Toast To The Party girl.

That said I actually dig both those cuts. Hey Yo is Morris all the way... I knew he had a hand in that shit before I even checked the booklet. Gohometoyoman is ok but like Hey Yo it just doesn't fit with the tone of the album to me.
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98. "that song"
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>The official album really should have ended with Toast To The
>Party girl.

that really felt like a live concert, the way that song ended.

  

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34. "I was waiting for someone else to say this first lol"
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>and you know what... nestled between the other songs on the
>album, "#Trendin", which I had as a C+/B- type cut sounds
>better to me.

I'm still not crazy about the chorus but I ain't mad at what they were trying to do here. As a bridge between Condensate and if I was Yo Man it actually works.

And I agree with Rev... If I Was Yo Man is a money cut. Song wise it's better than a lot of their classic shit really.


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36. "If I was... is "awesome sauce""
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man i can't talk enough about that song
this is what us "old school sucka punks" complain about when it comes to the new shit
If you can't do a song like that, I can't funk w/ya

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37. "Word up"
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>man i can't talk enough about that song
>this is what us "old school sucka punks" complain about when
>it comes to the new shit
>If you can't do a song like that, I can't funk w/ya
>


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59. "lol."
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>>and you know what... nestled between the other songs on the
>>album, "#Trendin", which I had as a C+/B- type cut sounds
>>better to me.
>
>I'm still not crazy about the chorus but I ain't mad at what
>they were trying to do here. As a bridge between Condensate
>and if I was Yo Man it actually works.
>
>And I agree with Rev... If I Was Yo Man is a money cut. Song
>wise it's better than a lot of their classic shit really.

Yeah.
That chorus. It bugs me. But I found myself singing along to that shit under my breath. LOL... so I guess their mission was accomplished. It really does sound right between "Condensate" and "If I Was Yo Man".

That really is a money cut -- the kind of song that would get radio play and be a hit. It's really well written.

The "Jesse" songs on here are sick (no pun intended) too.

  

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60. "RE: lol."
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You know what's dope? The fact that Jesse is the star of this album...His guitar work is really impressive...He does so much on the ax...The bluesy shit, funk, rock, rhythm playing, church-driven stuff, pop riffs...The man was truly inspired...

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82. "I agree"
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>
>
>You know what's dope? The fact that Jesse is the star of this
>album...His guitar work is really impressive...He does so much
>on the ax...The bluesy shit, funk, rock, rhythm playing,
>church-driven stuff, pop riffs...The man was truly
>inspired...


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143. "I saw them last night and Jesse was clearly the star"
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I loved the way they gave Jesse so much shine and spotlight and he really got a chance to show how bad he really is. The crowd was eating it up. The band sounded extra tight and there were plenty of big hats and stacey adams all over the building.

  

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159. "They playing stuf from the new album right?"
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there are 6-7 of them cuts i'd really like to hear live
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190. "Only Trending & Condensate"
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>there are 6-7 of them cuts i'd really like to hear live

Everything else was classic Time material that everybody knows. They also let Jesse have a spotlight and he did 3 or 4 of his solo jams...Be Your Man, Free World and Can You Help Me. If they come to the Bay I know you won't miss them but I can tell you for certain that you won't be disappointed at all.

  

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46. "RE: this record"
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Um..."If I Was Yo Man" makes a nigga wanna put his Stacey Adams on...Yikes...And Jesse's guitar work= seamless....And they ride out when the groove switches up...

I challenge anyone calling this shit color by numbers to listen to this shit and not nod and smile...

The best compliment I could pay is they have a few joints on this album that could actually hold their own on the 2 classic Time/Prince albums...

Good job fellas...A pleasant surprise...

Oh yeah...

I can't stop listening to "Toast To The Party Girl"...Sick breakdown...sick keyboards...They even take that shit to church in a nod to mid '80s "Possessed" Prince.....

Cool...

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50. "hence my comment up above in regards 2 the live show"
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these cats held their own back in the day
and im sure they can in 2011

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51. "RE: hence my comment up above in regards 2 the live show"
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>these cats held their own back in the day
>and im sure they can in 2011


I'm diggin it....


I'm just saying let's not drive off the reservation...This ain't 1983...Prince ain't shook when it comes to the stage...

That said, I'm glad that the fellas came with some serious shit..I like about 7 joints on this album...I fucks with this....

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57. "lemme put a point on it..."
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Prince still brings it live
I've been to almost every tour and if not seen it on vid
With that said, his shows post 2004 have been predictable for me
Give or take a few surprises
The shows pretty much the same
The current band's a lot better than the 3121 lineup
However....
Shelby and the girls need less spotlight
Andy Allo needs to go
Kill the "old school...let me perform other folks songs" shtick..
Also, his band has 0 personality
Good musicians? Yes
Which leads me to why the Time (original 7) would hold their own with the current prince stage show imho
Jesse jimmy terry monte bean morris and jerome as a unit ain't nothing to be played with live
And you can believe he knows that
And if there ever was a tour or show with them on the same bill, best believe there would be "tweaks".


Now if this was 86 87 or 88....it would be a different story

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58. "RE: lemme put a point on it..."
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>Prince still brings it live
>I've been to almost every tour and if not seen it on vid
>With that said, his shows post 2004 have been predictable for
>me
>Give or take a few surprises
>The shows pretty much the same
>The current band's a lot better than the 3121 lineup
>However....
>Shelby and the girls need less spotlight
>Andy Allo needs to go
>Kill the "old school...let me perform other folks songs"
>shtick..
>Also, his band has 0 personality
>Good musicians? Yes
>Which leads me to why the Time (original 7) would hold their
>own with the current prince stage show imho
>Jesse jimmy terry monte bean morris and jerome as a unit ain't
>nothing to be played with live
>And you can believe he knows that
>And if there ever was a tour or show with them on the same
>bill, best believe there would be "tweaks".
>
>
>Now if this was 86 87 or 88....it would be a different story


Hey...different strokes....Just understand that most critics and fans don't share your view...And trust, I know what Jam and the guys bring to the table when it comes to the stage...

But I think you are jumping off to some other shit....Prince is in his 50's...The guys in the Time are in their 50's...Morris and the fellas should and can be proud that they made a good album when a lot of people thought it would be mediocre at best after hearing those snippets...To me that's the true triumph. Those guys are showing the world that beyond being a great concert band, they can come together as a group and record some pretty cool music...And you won't find a bigger fan in myself as someone that's truly proud of the boys...


But I think there has been some revisionist history at play here...
The Time essentially = Prince...To me, the story that should be celebrated is The Time in 2011 have been able to make a strong, confident album on their own terms without the Purple dude...But we can't lose sight of that fact that Prince literally created the sound, look, swagger, and musical blueprint of the Time...

We can celebrate this Time album without trying to make Prince out to be some washed up scrub...

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61. "RE: lemme put a point on it..."
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>But I think there has been some revisionist history at play
>here...
>The Time essentially = Prince...To me, the story that should
>be celebrated is The Time in 2011 have been able to make a
>strong, confident album on their own terms without the Purple
>dude...But we can't lose sight of that fact that Prince
>literally created the sound, look, swagger, and musical
>blueprint of the Time...

lol, I get what you're saying with the "making him look like an outdated scrub". I agree with the idea that we should be celebrating their "emancipation". While Prince created what we "know" of The Time as a base, over the years, the individual members have sort of created their own story (particularly, Jesse, Jimmy, and Terry) as they went their separate ways.

The deep fans like myself know that damn near all of their classic songs were Prince behind the scenes. We also know that Prince has been caught in a creative flux for a long while between what he really wants to do and what his fans would like to hear (not that the latter really influences him). 20ten was my favorite Prince record in quite some time. Largely because I was tired of hearing dillweeds trying to sound like him and missing something in the process with all the '80s revival that's going on. Also, because the funk he made famous seemed to be watered down with a number of elements. To hear it straight from the man himself was a great, albeit nostalgic moment. However, you know Prince probably has his mind on other shit. Same thing with the "Verizon Wireless Commercial Music" he was putting out earlier in the decade. I really feel somewhere in between The Rainbow Children and 20ten is the modern Prince epic. He's been living mostly on his name and (Internet) legend (of blockading anyone from using his music in "vain").

I think what we're hearing with this record, however, is validation from those who felt that Prince had good reason to be "afraid" of the band, the fact that the comment was made to build their collective "mystique" notwithstanding. Instead of a group of dudes meant to front Prince's occasional forays into comedic R&B, funk, and erstwhile "party" music... they seem and sound a lot less like Pretender Shells for Prince and more like the various musicians we've heard as producers, singers, and songwriters for the last 25 or so years. The kind of thing that finally shuts up the "they wouldn't be anything without Prince" knock.

A lot of us doubted (and I was worried a little about what we were going to hear w/regards to 2011 "concessions"). The boys delivered as well as I had hoped. Great songwriting, great production, and a great overall record.

  

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65. "RE: lemme put a point on it..."
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>I think what we're hearing with this record, however, is
>validation from those who felt that Prince had good reason to
>be "afraid" of the band, the fact that the comment was made to
>build their collective "mystique" notwithstanding. Instead of
>a group of dudes meant to front Prince's occasional forays
>into comedic R&B, funk, and erstwhile "party" music... they
>seem and sound a lot less like Pretender Shells for Prince and
>more like the various musicians we've heard as producers,
>singers, and songwriters for the last 25 or so years. The kind
>of thing that finally shuts up the "they wouldn't be anything
>without Prince" knock.


But here's the rub...They wouldn't be anywhere without Prince...That's the thing I'm getting across....They are able to release this album because of the legacy that Prince built for the Time...People who pick up this album are doing so because of the first two classic Time albums, works that basically was Prince's segue into hardcore R&B/Funk...

That's why some of the new songs come off as triumphant...In spite of it all, The Time in 2011 were able to rise above all of that...To me, that shit was damn near impossible...

>A lot of us doubted (and I was worried a little about what we
>were going to hear w/regards to 2011 "concessions"). The boys
>delivered as well as I had hoped. Great songwriting, great
>production, and a great overall record.

Yep...I said the same thing...I'm happy for those guys...Can't wait to see them live when they come to NYC...

I'm just trying to put shit in perspective...lol...That said, Morris and the guys should be proud...Very strong album...

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>..Can't wait to see them live when they come to NYC...

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67. "good points doc"
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They deserve a lot more respect in history
More than just MPLS.minions
Watching the doc...u see something that is very rare...7men..friends for over 40 years making music together...how many can say that AND say that they're friends?
Jam and Lewis don't get the credit they deserve
Neither does Jesse
No disrespect to Prince, his legacy and his genius BUT there was more to it than just one man...
And maybe one day if the purple curtain is pulled and we get HIS story, he will acknowledge that...

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68. "RE: good points doc"
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>No disrespect to Prince, his legacy and his genius BUT there
>was more to it than just one man...
>And maybe one day if the purple curtain is pulled and we get
>HIS story, he will acknowledge that...


This^^^is not what Doc is saying though...

What Purple Curtain? Those great Time albums were Prince with Morris on vocals...What's to pull back? Prince wrote the songs, played the instruments, came up with the concepts, gave the guys their stage show and even dressed up the guys in what he viewed what a R&B/Funk band should look like

What Doc is saying is that in spite of all of that, the fellas made a pretty good album on their own terms and should be praised as such...

And we already saw that there was more to the fellas in terms of just being a puppet group and a kick ass live band...Jimmy & Terry proved that with their immense production work...Jesse proved that on his solo output...So did Morris, to a smaller degree, with some of his solo work...

Those guys coming back together as the Time and making a cool album was just the period to the ending of a story...

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70. "bro..."
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Morris had more input than doing just vocals...he played the drums on those records.
The 2nd album was tailored 2 the members "personality" I.e.what kinda solo would Jesse do

NOW here's what I mea about the purple curtain...Prince has yet to give an interview or write a book about his life..
His life is shrouded in mystique and mystery
Once The Time (real guys) came along...Prince stepped his live game up (undisputable fact)
I would love to hear him give those guys some props
Jam lewis and jesse was kicking his ass in the r&b game from 85 to 87 hence the rip of Shockadelica or the creation of Camille

Dude I'm not dissing Prince nor am I saying the 7ven is better
I would like to hear HIM give it up for his surroundings
It wasn't just him all alone....all I was saying

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71. "not to mention"
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the influence of Kid creole and the coconuts on the image of the time. dez dickerson had a hand, Andre cymone had a hand in it, Lisa coleman on the stick, dr fink a few parts.

you ain't ever going to get Prince to talk about it though.

never going to happen for alot of reasons and one of them is the mystique,etc. etc..

yeah they made him step up his live game no doubt.

when Prince first came out he was dancing like Mick jagger at a Ice capades party and then after the time starting doing there thing on stage, its like Prince started watching soul train and got some peep in his step.

Jam and Lewis and Jesse Johnson from late 85 through 89 were the ones keeping the Minneapolis sound alive.

ain't nothing revionist about that, because there records were just hitting more.




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73. "You're right about this, I forgot about that"
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>Morris had more input than doing just vocals...he played the
>drums on those records.
>The 2nd album was tailored 2 the members "personality"
>I.e.what kinda solo would Jesse do

Like you know that it's Prince's fingers on that guitar, but he was doing shit like using the tremolo/whammy bar because that's what Jesse did.

Morris also had "After Hi School" on that first record, co-wrote or rewrote a number of songs on the first 4 records. Dez was behind a couple of them too ("Wild and Loose" notably).

You listen to a song like "Cool", "The Stick", or "777-9311" or (a personal favorite that The Time doesn't revisit themselves often) "I Don't Wanna Leave You" and yeah, you know that's 100% Prince.

now you look at a song like "Gigolos"? The lyrics and some of the feel of that song is Prince, but something tells me that Jimmy and Terry were playing something like that while around the band and Prince yapped it (I wouldn't be surprised, because he did that to Jesse twice: once with "Jungle Love", again with Sheila E's "The Belle of St. Mark"). The beginning of that song sounds like something Jimmy and Terry would write on their own.

>NOW here's what I mea about the purple curtain...Prince has
>yet to give an interview or write a book about his life..
>His life is shrouded in mystique and mystery
>Once The Time (real guys) came along...Prince stepped his live
>game up (undisputable fact)
>I would love to hear him give those guys some props
>Jam lewis and jesse was kicking his ass in the r&b game from
>85 to 87 hence the rip of Shockadelica or the creation of
>Camille

Yeah. The real legend of "The Time" was built on the stage. I don't know too many acts that are basically a front for someone else (and there was a lot of that in the 1980s, as producer driven as it was) that actually brought it live like they did, keeping up the illusion.

If they were just a studio band who made TV appearances and shit on some BB&Q Band/Change/High Fashion shit, though... we wouldn't be talking about them today.

They owe a lot to Prince, but Prince was bettered by putting that band together.

  

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76. "RE: You're right about this, I forgot about that"
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>They owe a lot to Prince, but Prince was bettered by putting
>that band together.


This gets ^^^^ a no question...

The Time have become part of larger-than-life myth of Prince...The fact that you are dealing with someone (Prince) who felt the need to make an alter-ego group, create most of the music/energy/look for those albums by himself and have it come off so successful speaks volumes..

But the other part of the story is the guys (Time) that played the puppet role morphed into something very entertaining when they got onstage...

It's cool to hear these cats years later do it on their own terms...

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84. "What I really respect is how they don't come off biter"
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when talking about Prince and the past... Some of the shit they talk about on the DVD would have me spitting fire yet here are these cats sitting around laughing about it. Even when speaking on the name ownership they smile and keep it moving... taking the high road is a real good look for them.
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86. "a damn good look"
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They've always done that as a group
Even n the liner notes...they give respect
Which is really cool and how it should be
I'm sure behind closed doors after their I own the name meeting...he was bunch of little so and so's...lol

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63. "sho nuff"
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Totally dig ur points Murph
Prince is far from a washed up scrub....well at least on stage...lol
He's always thrived and succeeded on competition and I hope this project lights the spark that's been missing for a while imho
(Last 2 "scare" prince was d'angelo and the gang)
Jam Lewis and Jesse gave us some of the best creative years of prince (85 to 87)
That shit never dies....
I can't imagine my old rival one upping me no matter how old I get...lol
U see MJ was still trying to one up P...rick was still talking shit about p b4 he passed....I'm sure d and max will be rivals 4ever.....never ends...lol

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113. "Couldn't have said it better, murph..."
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>But I think there has been some revisionist history at play
>here...
>The Time essentially = Prince...To me, the story that should
>be celebrated is The Time in 2011 have been able to make a
>strong, confident album on their own terms without the Purple
>dude...But we can't lose sight of that fact that Prince
>literally created the sound, look, swagger, and musical
>blueprint of the Time...
>
>We can celebrate this Time album without trying to make Prince
>out to be some washed up scrub...

_________________________________________________________________________
Too many chiefs, yo.

  

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91. "RE: this record"
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>
>I'm just kinda blown at how great Morris sounds on this
>vocally. Even on a song like "Lifestyle"... he really shines
>as the front man, when he's asked to do more than be the
>"funny/cool" guy in front.
>

Co-sign.

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89. "Excellent album and documentary!"
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This album is HOT!:
-"Sick" is my favorite jam
-I love Jesse's guitar work on the album! I still wish he was doing lead/co-lead vocals on their projects.
-I see Jam N Lewis did most of it. Still Hot!
-Morris still C-O-O-L on the vocals.

The documentary!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:
Had me rollin with laughter!
-Bobby Z couldnt fuck with me on his best day!
-Playing behind pink shit! The Time got to make some extra loot.
-I want to know what Terry really said to Jam about being a dj. "N***A, put them gotdamn records down and get on these keys"! Lol!
-Morris had a cool afro!
-Jam was a star athlete.
-I still aint mad at Alexander O Neal. GOTS TO GET THE PAPER!
-Their was a band in their area called The Family.
-FOOD FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now why u gotta snatch Jesse off stage doing a performance and handcuff him in the back! LOL! I bet Terry was doing more than smash eggs in Prince's face. I bet he knocked a toofus loose!
-U get the feeling the members always looked at Jesse with eyes wide open. Dude seems mysterious.

Folks this is worth the money. Its criminal that it is 9.99 for dvd/cd. I guess they want to thank their fans. ITS HOT!

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90. "RE: Excellent album and documentary!"
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And here is a video of them doing 777 when they where at their height.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvnT4MPd7_8

  

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92. "RE: Excellent album and documentary!"
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>And here is a video of them doing 777 when they where at
>their height.
>
HOT!

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140. "that documentary was worth the price of admission."
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I would have paid 2x the price I paid for it to hear that story from their own mouths. Great pictures, footage, and hilarious anecdotes.

Morris and Jesse were funny as hell. Terry, too. Strangely enough, Jerome was kind of reserved and I dunno... "polite" compared to his famous alter ego. Monte was soft spoken. Jellybean seemed happy to be there. And you know Jimmy Jam was a diplomat.

I really felt Morris was mad about not being able to use the proper name of the band, towards the end.

I learned quite a few things about the band members I didn't know before the whole video.

The whole thing kinda felt uncensored and fun.

  

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97. "RE: The Original 7ven-Condenstate (the album)"
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I'm also glad Terry mentioned Black Ivory in the doc.

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100. "that damn prince"
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i never knew about him bringing jam/lewis into a room and embarrassing the shit out of them...
i knew they got the can but "they aint never gonna be nothing' shit makes this record (and their accomplishments) even better
toast to the original 7ven!!

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111. "RE: that damn prince"
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>i never knew about him bringing jam/lewis into a room and
>embarrassing the shit out of them...
>i knew they got the can but "they aint never gonna be nothing'
>shit makes this record (and their accomplishments) even
>better
>toast to the original 7ven!!



Yeah...that story was pretty well known folklore back in the days...Prince was (and still is) a controlling little bastard...

And I've gone on record as saying that if his not allowing the fellas to use that Time name didn't have anything to do with him re-gaining his masters to those old Time albums (that's been one of the rumors floating about) and he was just on some petty shit, then it's just Prince being Prince...A fucking prick...

And hell, think about it...Dude was so self-absorbed (and this was before PR broke...lol) that he wouldn't even allow himself to entertain the possibility that Jam & Lewis had the goods...Prince was probably thinking to himself "I wrote and played most of the music, gave you guys the look, took you out on my tours and helped shape your stage show and made u stars, and u think u gonna make it on your own?!!!"...lol

As wrong as that shit was to tell those guys they wouldn't make it without his highness' guidance, it's not exactly shocking considering that Prince was playing puppet master with the Time...

But his ass sure found out when Jam & Lewis was racking up those hits in the '80s...lol

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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115. "yeah man"
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Watching this dvd made me realize this was suposed to be Morris' band...not Prince's
How can he fire cats not n his band?
That's like George firing Maceo and Fred from the Rubber Band...wtf
You can tell Morris is still peeved about that

I agree 100...this whole I own the name has nothing to do w masters but Prince being a dick towards folk he believed betrayed him
Same story for Fdeluxe
I also think there might be a taste of envy in regards to their broterhood.

Either way...it doesn't shine a positive light on Jehovah/love thy brother Prince....
It wasn't shocking to hear of his dickery back n the day but in 2011? Come on man!!!

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119. "RE: yeah man"
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>Watching this dvd made me realize this was suposed to be
>Morris' band...not Prince's
>How can he fire cats not n his band?


When you write, produce the majority of the music and sign said group to a record contract and take them out on your tour I assume you believe that can do anything you wanna do...lol


>That's like George firing Maceo and Fred from the Rubber
>Band...wtf



Not at all...Unless George was playing 99.9 percent of the instruments (ie. playing Bootsy's bass and Maceo's sax) and writing most of the songs and coming up with Bootsy's concepts, it's def. not the same thing...



>You can tell Morris is still peeved about that


Yeah, I'm sure he was...


>I agree 100...this whole I own the name has nothing to do w
>masters but Prince being a dick towards folk he believed
>betrayed him

That's where we disagree...Because no one really knows...The reason why I tend to go into calling Prince a dick is because of his past history with wanting to have control...That would be par for the course, right? However, the fact that Prince's contract for his Masters are finally kicking in (after 30 years he gains his Masters back by law...wouldn't be a shock that dude has his eyes on that first Time album...)...So unless Jimmy & Terry are going around saying that its personal and not business, I'll fall back with totally making Prince out to be Hitler...lol


>Same story for Fdeluxe
>I also think there might be a taste of envy in regards to
>their broterhood.
>
>Either way...it doesn't shine a positive light on Jehovah/love
>thy brother Prince....
>It wasn't shocking to hear of his dickery back n the day but
>in 2011? Come on man!!!


It's a good album...The fellas did some serious work...But let's slow down...lol

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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120. "well...."
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The fact that Prince was a control freak and wouldn't allow those guys to play on the record doesn't mean he owns the band and had the right to fire those cats.
The deal was Morris gave him Partyup and Prince would help him get a band and a deal
Plain and simple
To me...The George and Bootsy analogy is perfect
Who gave Bootsy that persona? George
Who named the band...the rubber band? George
Who wrote most of the lyrics or came up w the concepts? George
Who got Bootsy the contract? George
Who put the band together? Bootsy
Who "secretly" played on Disco Lady? Bootsy and nem...did they get the can? Nope

Sounds familiar to me sans the maniac instruement playing....besides Morris wasn't just some front. He says that in the dvd

U see where I'm going with this..
I love Prince as a musician and artist and will always support him
With that said, I refuse to distill his personal and business decisions with people...it is what it is....

Masters ain't got nothing to do with it....if that was the case, why wouldn't the fellas say that? It would be an easier pill to swallow.

Its prince being prince and to me that's being a douchebag....u may disagree and that's right on to me.

In the end like we've said before, its aout celebrating these 7 brothers at the moment...










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122. "RE: well...."
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Thu Oct-20-11 10:09 AM by murph71

          

>The fact that Prince was a control freak and wouldn't allow
>those guys to play on the record doesn't mean he owns the band
>and had the right to fire those cats.
>The deal was Morris gave him Partyup and Prince would help him
>get a band and a deal
>Plain and simple
>To me...The George and Bootsy analogy is perfect
>Who gave Bootsy that persona? George
>Who named the band...the rubber band? George
>Who wrote most of the lyrics or came up w the concepts?
>George



Who played and came up with most of the "music"? Bootsy and his band...Yep, George def. wrote and helped with the lyrics, concepts and look....But Bootsy was playing those instruments...

Bootsy's brother Catfish was playing his instrument and so on and so forth...Bootsy's Rubberband was more of a collaboration between George and Bootsy like most of the P-Funk off-shoots....That's what made P-Funk so cool...George, artistically, was no task master...

The Time?

It was Morris singing Prince's music on record...It was Morris singing over instruments that Prince (and Dez and Lisa on two occasions) played...Whether or not you find this to be Prince being a puppet master or just being a asshole taskmaster is moot in this particular debate when comparing him to George and Bootsy's working relationship...


>Who got Bootsy the contract? George
>Who put the band together? Bootsy
>Who "secretly" played on Disco Lady? Bootsy and nem...did they
>get the can? Nope



Again...George treated P Funk more like a collaboration, Rev....That's different than what Prince did with the Time...waaaay different...You can count on one hand the moments Prince allowed the Time band members to write their own songs on those first three Time albums (Jesse---"Jungle Love" comes to mind)...George was ALWAYS giving free reign to his musicians to create...Prince? Not so much...



>Sounds familiar to me sans the maniac instruement
>playing....besides Morris wasn't just some front. He says that
>in the dvd



LOL...Going by all the books written about Prince and interviews done about Prince's handling of the Time, I would say otherwise...I mean, why do you think Morris wanted out of the Time? Prince wasn't letting him do what Morris thought he was capable of doing, which was being a true leader of The Time...Writing his own songs...Coming up with his own concepts...Morris wasn't able to do so...So Morris wanted out...



>
>U see where I'm going with this..
>I love Prince as a musician and artist and will always support
>him
>With that said, I refuse to distill his personal and business
>decisions with people...it is what it is....
>
>Masters ain't got nothing to do with it....if that was the
>case, why wouldn't the fellas say that? It would be an easier
>pill to swallow.
>
>Its prince being prince and to me that's being a
>douchebag....u may disagree and that's right on to me.
>
>In the end like we've said before, its aout celebrating these
>7 brothers at the moment...



It is about celebrating the brothers....But one thing I'm not going to partake in is revisionist history...

I'll say it again...The triumph of the new Time album is they were FINALLY able to get from under the iron hand of you know who....Because you know who had such an immense say over how the group sounded and looked...You know who was the one running the show...

So when an album like this comes out you smile for Jimmy and the guys...Because they proved that as a band they could show the goods without you know who...

To me, they get a standing ovation for that...Because the music is damn good after 20 plus years...

That's the triumph...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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123. "RE: well...."
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Yeah George was an ideal leader in certain aspects

I don't seeing it as a revision
I look at it as there's more to the story
Peep the dvd and you will see where I'm coming from
There's nothing to be taken away from what he created with them because there would be on time/original7ven without prince. that's a given..
Its also saying what THEY did for him and his career as well.
Jam mentions that in the dvd
I think maxx and claw mentioned that in this thread as well.

Btw....good debate murph..always cool to rap with folks, stating ur case, respecting one another without hurling insults.

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129. "speaking of George CLinton where you think Prince got that tight"
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rope on a lease idea from? ya know Clinton had acts on a whole lot of labels back in the day and He got the loot off the Publishing regardless.

yeah Bootys and Bernie Worrell but mainly Junie Morrison had a bigger hand in alot of those Creations, however the Label Heads went to One Man when it came to the Budget,etc.. and that was George CLinton and Being in Clinton's camp was like being in James Brown's and then later Rick James's and then Prince's camp etc...

one thing that i remember Wendy saying and other former band members is he is the Money Man and the Record Labels gives the Money Man the Bread and however to whomever he wants to spread it is to his descreation.


cats staying Loyal is one thing and not getting there proper credit and paper is a whole different can of worms.



back to Morris for a minute He did some uncredit work on some of Prince's albums playing drums,and I think that is one of the reasons why he took that shot that Bobby Z on the DVD. so much more going on here.

but the bottom line no matter how much credit you get or don't in alot of cases, very seldom when you are in Said big act's Camp you ever going to get your just due, because the companys are paying One Leader and the rest of the camp is seen as Hired hands.

i remember reading once that Mark Brown said that Prince's main manager the Late Steven Fragnoli only cared about Prince and the money and didn't care about the others.


its business. interesting how Clinton and Bridgeport publishing played itself out in court over the years.

alot of hands been wanting to collect off of George good luck there.

Prince held the Publishing and the Loot and alot of lips ain't forgot.

the sad reality of being in a camp and not having somebody there to get the business straight and a cat like CLinton or Prince tell these cats just play baby and leave the paper work to me.

then x amount of years later these cats ain't collection nearly half of what they help put in. its a dirty business.

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124. "Morris's band?"
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>Watching this dvd made me realize this was suposed to be
>Morris' band...not Prince's

I get from the dvd that this was Terry's band.

  

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125. "RE: Morris's band?"
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Man that's a whole nother can of purple gummy bears

Terry's def the silent leader and the one that keeps them together. That's pretty evident in the dvd.

I felt like I should be paying these cats more than $10 after watching the dvd AND the excelent cd.

A fan couldn't ask for more...they delivered right on time..lol

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102. "Nice 5* review (swipe)"
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On a wintry night in 1983, two musicians left a recording studio in Atlanta...

They were headed back to the airport. They had been in town to produce two songs for a reputable local band. They were on their way to San Antonio where, alongside their own bandmates, they were scheduled to open for a major recording artist. But they never made it. As fate would have it, while recording, a severe weather front had swept in over Georgia from the North East, grounding all air traffic in heavy snow. It was a night that would forever change their lives.

When they were finally reunited with their band, the musicians were summoned to a small, crowded room for a meeting. Brought together by Prince in 1981, as part of his own initial record deal with Warner Bros., The Time was made up of high school friends, 7 in all, formed from two local Minneapolis groups. As the band's de facto founder and talent promoter, Prince accused the two musicians of moonlighting while under a strict edict to neither write nor produce outside of the band. Despite not being encouraged to write or produce for the band, the judgment was unequivocal, if far from unanimous: Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis were fired.

Unable to convince any others to follow them out the door and with little more than a four-track tape recorder, a bass guitar and a Fedora full of songs, the two musicians left for Los Angeles.

"Wait and see," Prince is said to have remarked at the time, "...you'll never hear from those guys again."

Replacements were soon enlisted to support debonair frontman Morris Day and the remaining members: Jellybean Johnson, Monte Moir, Jerome Benton and Jesse Johnson. Prince continued to press ahead and fame quickly followed for the band in 1984 when they were featured in his film debut Purple Rain, a cult classic that would see The Time enjoy crossover success. Subsequent singles Jungle Love and The Bird propelled their third album, Ice Cream Castles, to #24 on the U.S. chart, eclipsing their first two releases.

Meanwhile, the Atlanta-based S.O.S. Band had already reached #2 on the U.S. R&B Chart with Just Be Good To Me, written and produced by a little-known production partnership called Jam and Lewis.

Seven years later, Jam and Lewis briefly returned to The Time for Prince's Purple Rain sequel, Graffiti Bridge, and to record a new album. Certified Gold by the RIAA in 1990, Pandemonium became their most successful release, topping Ice Cream Castles and spawning the US R&B Chart No.1 single Jerk Out. But the reunion was short-lived. In 2008, rumors of a new album surfaced once more after Rihanna joined the original seven members onstage for a blistering performance of Jungle Love/Umbrella at the 50th Grammy Awards ceremony.

30 years after they first came together and 21 years since they last recorded as a group, they've finally reunited on their own terms as The Original 7ven (the band formerly known as The Time). Their new album, Condensate, is accompanied by a new film documentary on the group's history -- premiering this week at The Grammy Museum -- and an international tour schedule planned for 2012.

For their part, since their first stint with The Time, Jam & Lewis have earned plaudits as one of the most prolific production duos in music history, working with the likes of Janet Jackson, brother Michael, Mariah Carey, Chaka Khan, Usher, Mary J. Blige and countless others. Throughout their partnership they have registered millions of sales on over 100 albums that have exceeded either gold, platinum or multi-platinum status. To date, they have notched up an incredible 15 No.1 pop hits and 25 No.1 R&B chart-toppers and bagged more Grammy Awards than even Prince himself. Of their relationship with Prince, the two producers are characteristically sanguine and their bandmates all remain clearly upbeat in interviews when quizzed about their friend and former partner. The Time's own toxic history with the prolific star is complicated, well-documented and better explored elsewhere. Yet, suffice to say, it is laden with long-standing baggage on both sides, only some of which perhaps remains on an Atlanta airport carousel.

Nevertheless, The Time are considered worthy successors to their funkadelic forebears and remain synonymous with the very Sound of Minneapolis: that infectious hybrid of funk, rock, pop, soul and New Wave that, according to the Rolling Stone Album Guide, "...loomed over mid-'80s R&B and pop, not to mention the next two decades' worth of electro, house, and techno."

That this supergroup have reformed under a new name speaks volumes. Whether Prince claimed his rights and refused them the option to return as The Time will feel academic to most fans, particularly if the searing bass-line and infectious hook of their first single #Trendin' is anything to go by. The new track opens The Original 7ven's account with a solid airplay contender as the #1 added song this week on U.S. urban radio and a sure-fire resolution not to rest on past successes. With its timely, tongue-in-cheek reference to the baying twitterati, the new track fizzes with the fresh energy one can always expect from accomplished live musicians who are clearly having fun on their first record in 20 years. No, this isn't will.i.am 'phunk', it's morris.e.day and Funk with an 'F'.

An essential refresher to the genre, the new album opens in flawless and familiar color: Strawberry Lake is a bright, upbeat fanfare that welcomes back old friends doing what they do best. Title track Condensate, introduced in classic skit style, struts confidently and delivers on that trademark cocktail of humour and swagger only Morris Day and Jerome Benton can serve up. If I was Your Man and Faithful sparkle as genial additions to the oeuvre, fashioning warm and accessible counterpoints to Sick, an axe-driven funk jam which finds Jesse Johnson in rude health, relishing every lick and 'kissing the sky' in the process. Conversely, Cadillac is a low-riding gem which sizzles with subtle, yet playful, energy and sass. The swinging One Step and equally rowdy Toast To A Party Girl are tremendous fun, vividly alluding to the band's live promise in the months to come. Naturally, one cannot expect The Time purists to immediately fall-in behind the more modish tracks such as the lead single and Hey Yo but, crucially, it is through these very songs that The Original 7ven offer insight into their new identity and relevance.

The Original 7ven's updated sound is still masterfully rooted in the band's trademark Minneapolis signature which their older, primary audience will appreciate and recognize instantly. Younger newcomers will feel a greater affinity to the more contemporary tracks on the 14-song release, while spotting a leitmotif that pervades the repertoire of later artists from Outkast to Snoop Dogg. In short, Condensate marks a mighty return to the fore for a beloved ensemble that has rightfully earned its own status as music royalty.

★★★★★
'Condensate', the new album
by The Original 7ven
Released October 18, 2011

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104. "whoa... WTF @ Prince"
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>"Wait and see," Prince is said to have remarked at the time,
>"...you'll never hear from those guys again."

  

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105. "See when I read shit like that"
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I'm even more amazed they can stay on the high road when talking about dude.
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106. "the thing is... I can just imagine that scene in my head."
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everything. the looks on the dudes' faces and allat.

Morris has been real "high road" with dude all these years.

  

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107. "this is all old, OG Minneapolis know the Purple agenda"
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because this ain't nothing new, did you cats not have BET back in the early 80's?

Jesse Johnson said all of this to Donnie Simpson and more. told them you cats are going to walk down the street and nobody is going to know you.

gave them a 140 dollars a week and told them basically good luck.

true story Jam and Lewis were living in the Hood out in LA after Prince tossed them out the Band and were motivated, thanks Clarence Avant, and Especially the same Brother who runs the Michael Jackson Estate John Mcclain they got the good and kept it moving.

Prince was hard on Jimmy Jam.

he messed with Morris. acted cautious around Jesse Johnson because Jesse wasn't playing with dude like that.

he was envious they hit without him and then he tried to play nice when they won Producer of the year.

Prince is One Insecure cat and always watching what you are doing, but also dissing you and trying to make you feel less than.

dude ain't changed at all and still stuck in that old Purple Rain minset of Battling somebody.

that turkey done spent so much time around Yes People that he forgot how to maintain his cool.

its a shame how he has treated all the folks who sacrificed so much to help him get where he has gotten.

better to be humble because that foolishness ain't worth it.

i know JellyBean Johnson still looks at him sideways as does Jill Jones, Jesse is indifferent, however he ain't forgot nothing.

Jesse had me laughing so hard back in 85 when he was telling Donnie Simpson how Prince tripped out on them and tried to play them off and badly.

straight up purple power trip 101.

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109. "yeah man i remember"
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jesse, jam & lewis on video soul
on the dvd u can tell they all have some choice words for him
But in the end, Im glad they keep it cool for the public
Those cats made it despite all of that dude's shennanigans

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110. "naw not that one, Jesse was on there twice by himself"
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one is still on youtube and the other one ain't on there, the one i saw on there is where Jesse called the girls in the "Ice Cream Castles" video ugly and he didn't like the feel of that or nothing.

he said Prince and Morris use to question how funky he was until he came up with "jungle Love" and then eyes rolled back in there head.

Jesse ain't never aired it publicly that Prince got his purple idea from jesse rocking the Pink first.

Jesse for the longest time was bothered by the fact that when he auditioned for the time He never even played a single lick, he was just hired on his look alone.

Jesse took Offense to that. come to find out years later that is why Prince wanted Mikki Free, Georgio and rumored Lenny Kravitz for his coco boys project and take the publishing. crazy stuff

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116. "saw em"
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The one from 86 when his hairs jacked up is classic!

Anytime those cats were on...I was glued to the tv

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130. "naw Man, before that, i'm talking back in 85"
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right after his debut album came out. he came on Video Soul and lit Prince up and talked about it all and he was funny. Donnie was almost in tears from laughing so hard. that line about the girls from the "ice cream castle" video being Ugly and the way he worded was crazy funny.

back in the day i had a buddy who use to dig Prince, but switched ship and went to Jesse johnson and run Dmc and when that show aired dude called me up and played the whole show on the phone and then on a repeat i got to see it, but Jesse wasn't holding nothing back that night.

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126. "RE: naw not that one, Jesse was on there twice by himself"
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>one is still on youtube and the other one ain't on there, the
>one i saw on there is where Jesse called the girls in the "Ice
>Cream Castles" video ugly and he didn't like the feel of that
>or nothing.
>

I remember this! I was like damn! He said dem HAMMERS(slang for female back in the 80's! Decatur, Ga. stand up!) was ugly.

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108. "that dvd is priceles.....best $10 i spent in a long time!!"
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prince was/is on some straight yall aint never gon be type shit

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117. "RE: that dvd is priceles.....best $10 i spent in a long time!!"
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I would agree. They all were very young at the time. As far as the comments about Jam & Lewis; i dont think he really believed what he said. He grew up and knew what they could do. It probably was a saving face comment for himself.

  

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121. "he knew when he said that...."
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it was a save face comment
Those cats were mad talented

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127. "RE: that dvd is priceles.....best $10 i spent in a long time!!"
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I would love to hear the song Morris wrote for Evelyn King.

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114. "Prince was 25 at the time, what else was he supposed to say?"
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Uh, hey guys, best of luck to ya?

Also, niggas get older, Jam and Lewis have more than proven themselves, so there's no need to go back and settle scores with the quotes of a cocky 25 year old with a major record deal and on the verge of superstardom

All of this talk of them "taking the high road" is type funny to me for some reason

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128. "good point."
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fuck you.

  

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131. "25 or not being Humble can always be used "
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like there is only room for one to make it? insecure and trying to ice somebody else out who by the way allowed you to get more product out and was good for your bankroll you gotta use some tact and common sense.

Jam and Lewis took the high road and kept it moving, doesn't mean it don't hurt.

they helped his brand even more, than there own true friends think about it prince pulled a pre "Idol maker" Milli Vannilli Move and then tried to act like those cats didn't have anything going for them and then they ended up with way more hits than him and took a Jackson into SuperStatus on there own terms on the other side fo town.

he had to eat some Humble Pie when they got Producers of the Year.

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132. "that victory speech, when I expected them to say 'Prince'"
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>he had to eat some Humble Pie when they got Producers of the
>Year.

they said "Clarence Avant".

Which was probably true. But I LOL-ed really hard at that one.

  

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134. "Clarence Avant pulled strings for the Brothers"
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and they said the right name and they did Produce before they got with Prince 30 years ago to be exact for a then unknown rapper named Tracy Murrow who later became Ice T.

they got the pull they needed. surprised they didn't mention John Mcclain on that stage since he was the one that got them with Janet Jackson and they made history.

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148. "they mentioned him in the liner notes of this album"
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>they got the pull they needed. surprised they didn't mention
>John Mcclain on that stage since he was the one that got them
>with Janet Jackson and they made history.

  

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133. "RE: 25 or not being Humble can always be used "
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>like there is only room for one to make it? insecure and
>trying to ice somebody else out who by the way allowed you to
>get more product out and was good for your bankroll you gotta
>use some tact and common sense.


Insecurity? lol...


Man...the music business is filled with Alpha Males who wanted it their way or the high way....But before we get into that laundry list, let's keep it real....

There is a complete difference between someone being an asshole (Prince) vs. someone who at times used the talents and songwriting and input of someone and took 99.9 percent of the money (George Clinton)...

You think Prince telling Jam & Lewis that they won't make it without them was cruel? lol..Try co-writing a song (songs) with George/James Brown or coming up with the music for certain tracks BY YOURSELF and then not getting paid for your work at all...

I mean, Prince basically created a group for his friend (Morris) with the intention of said group (The Time) being an outlet for his R&B fantasies...Prince didn't allow the guys to contribute because it was always understood it was his show...It was his concept...His music, his lyrics, ect...

This^^^ain't shit compared to....

(the aforementioned0 James Brown--Who regularly docked his band members pay, not because they were fucking up, but because he didn't want to pay them...

And there's more to that list...Miles Davis, George C., Axl Rose, Eddie Van Halen, Phil, Specter, DeVante Swing ect......All folks who made it their business to keep the spotlight and and most of the money...

Music Business 101....

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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135. "Bro it is all Mind control regardless how you slice and cut it"
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i know how Clinton rolled, I know how Rick james rolled, I know how Sly Stone rolled, Miles Davis, Prince, James Brown, Quincy Jones, etc...

bottom line if you write or don't write guess who gets the money?

heck on Mint Conditions first album they wrote alot of the material but guesss what? it was on Perspective Publishing and I'm not saying Jam and Lewis didn't cut the Brothers some loot, however we know who gets to cash the Publishing checks first.

being Booty about any situation is just wrong and it points to your insecurity and false sense of running things when in reality that White Slave Master who runs said label just played Monopoly and gave you a budget of house money, some side loot for a New ride and clothes but expects all of the loot back plus interests and wants you to know he Owns you period.

CLinton got his whole schooling from Berry Gordy, nothing new under the sun.

no matter how you do it, its all booty. all Major acts especially if they start to believe there name in billing pull this kind of stunt in some form or fashion, now if you don't learn from it then it is truly sad.

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136. "RE: Bro it is all Mind control regardless how you slice and cut it"
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>i know how Clinton rolled, I know how Rick james rolled, I
>know how Sly Stone rolled, Miles Davis, Prince, James Brown,
>Quincy Jones, etc...
>
>bottom line if you write or don't write guess who gets the
>money?
>
>heck on Mint Conditions first album they wrote alot of the
>material but guesss what? it was on Perspective Publishing and
>I'm not saying Jam and Lewis didn't cut the Brothers some
>loot, however we know who gets to cash the Publishing checks
>first.
>
>being Booty about any situation is just wrong and it points
>to your insecurity and false sense of running things when in
>reality that White Slave Master who runs said label just
>played Monopoly and gave you a budget of house money, some
>side loot for a New ride and clothes but expects all of the
>loot back plus interests and wants you to know he Owns you
>period.



The way I always viewed it is this....If you wrote, produced, and came up with the concepts for the music, then what you do after that is your own concern...I have no beef with an artists commanding the spotlight and getting most of the money when they are the sole songwriter and instrumentalist...My beef is with artists who utilize the music and ideas of musicians and don't pay people shit when it comes to making money off of records...

To me, Prince is no different than Stevie Wonder in the former regard...It was his show as singer-songwriter and producer...But the crazy thing is Prince took that shit to the extreme...Whereas Stevie had some of the greatest session musicians playing on those classic records in the 70s, Prince wanted FULL CONTROL, even down to him playing all the instruments...

To me, Prince's asshole behavior always came out when he deemed artists that were in his camp that wanted to branch out as traitors (Jimmy and Terry, Jesse, Morris, St, Paul come to mind)....To me, that was Prince's true insecurity...

But I wouldn't put that in the same paragraph as an artist creating a group just as an outlet for his R&B/Funk jollies...

To tell you the truth, my biggest beef with Prince during that period was the fact that he was afraid to release music that was on those great Time albums under his own name...The fact that he thought the music was too black to be "Prince," an artist that was making the kind of nasty funk like "Controversy," perturbs me more than him being a dictator over a group that was never a "group" on record...

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142. "well the time stuff was more raw and the lyrics were more geared"
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toward what was hip and chic whereas Prince wanted to come across as Part 60's flower child, however with 70's Swag and a 80's way of doing things. he wanted to appeal to all and he didn't want to be associated with being seen as just an R&B cat.

he saw what happen to Rick James or Roger Troutman and he wasn't going to go that route,the irony is that in the 90's Prince was trying so hard to go toward what he hid from back in the day and yet he still played the dual game at pop radio and R&B radio were he gave one kinda track for Pop and the other for R&B.

i think he was afraid of not ever crosssing over if he did put the stuff he did under the time out on himself and crossing over meant everything to him.

basically Prince wanted what Lionel,Michael, Stevie,EWF,Kool and the gang, and Marvin Had. he didn't want to get put with Rick James, Roger,bar Kays, Gap Band,Steve Arrington, etc..

trip out thing about Prince is that he help create the Character of Morris day and yet Prince couldn't pull it off because in cherry moon that is exactly what he is trying to do and it just doesn't work and yet it works when he is hybriding things just like his music.

the time raw was different than the dirty mind, controversy and 1999 raw because there was a strong pop bottom underneath it all which was accessible.

the time stuff didn't hardly get any cross over love. i mean ice cream castles was so Patridge family sounding funk and that couldn't cross over as hard as it tried.

jungle love did and then later jerk out, but those cuts weren't going to get any pop love and Prince knew it.

had prince done that stuff in directly his career might have turned out differently and i'm going to say this those were jams and not songwriting per se and Prince didn't want to be lumped into being another Brother who just grooved he wanted to be seen as a canvas of different blends and themes. i got it and why he went there, still it would have been interesting if he went more stank a bit more often as to downplaying that side.

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152. "RE: Bro it is all Mind control regardless how you slice and cut it"
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Why the fuck are you on some..."Nah Toby, I loves this big house--massa treats me good"...shit!?!?!

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139. "'Insecurity!' (c) 'Computer Blue' (Long Version), Prince & the Rev."
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^ i heard that as i read your reply. LOL

fuck you.

  

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141. "RE: 'Insecurity!' (c) 'Computer Blue' (Long Version), Prince & the Rev."
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>^ i heard that as i read your reply. LOL


lol

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103. "no one's gonna tell em that would be pronounced Sevenven?"
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112. "Nobody cared when the movie "Se7en" came out.... n/m"
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145. "wait... you mean that wasn't meant to be Sesevenen???"
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haha.
you right tho.



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153. "RE: no one's gonna tell em that would be pronounced Sevenven?"
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Nobody told Sly that it was pronounced Sixix....
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mr_graff
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137. "there are some banging cuts on here, much better than I anticipated"
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Sick
AYDKMN
Strawberry Lake
Condensate
Lifestyle
Cadillac
Toast to the Party Girl

I haven't gotten to the DVD yet but I expect that to be great. Overall this may be my 2nd or 3rd favorite Time album.

These guys definitely deserve props for coming through with this release.


  

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138. "RE: there are some banging cuts on here, much better than I anticipated"
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Morris still has one of the best personalities ever on record. He hasn't lost his edge or is cool and neither has the band. Love this album.

  

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146. "man I knew this was dropping soon but forgot it was this Tuesday!"
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I can't wait to scoop this on my lunch break tomorrow.

Just reading this damn post has been entertaining in itself, much love to everybody (rev, murph, maxxx, claw, OP, etc) for helping make that the case.

Did y'all say the album plus DVD is $10?!?!?

Maybe I read that wrong but I got a Best Buy up the street from my office & if that's the case I'm going there during lunch plus grabbing an extra one for my girl at work from Inglewood who gets a far off look in her eye when talking to me about two things: Partying on Crenshaw in the late-70s and The Motherfuckin Time (especially Jesse Johnson).

Fuck it, now that I think about it I'm gonna do that for her even if it's $20.

Back to this post at a later date with thoughts after I absorb the album & DVD this weekend. peace.

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149. "Yep"
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>Did y'all say the album plus DVD is $10?!?!?

It's a good ass deal. Only disappointing thing about the dvd is they can't use their old music when they show clips and talk about different songs... of course you know why. But yeah man a solid album and hour + dvd about the Time's history is well worth $10.


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150. "nice, I'm heading out to cop right after I post this message"
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147. "Pleasantly Surprised"
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I was expecting this thing to mostly be a throw away affair, with a song or two that would be worth adding to my Time playlist. Man, Morris and the boys came through for real! There's a couple of cuts that I could do without, but as an album, they released something that should be applauded.

  

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151. ":) this is awesome"
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155. "same tired sound tired personalities and themes revisited"
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somewhat predictable sound, riffs etc
the jams that are good just revisit ideas that are played out
Lifestyle sounds like a SNL paraody
Cadillac is nice jam

  

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156. "LittleX, ladies and gentlemen."
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157. "There's one or two I don't really care for"
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The one that sounds like that TI Live Your Life song....Hey Yo yikes

And another one....i dont like what Morris is doing with his voice...i forget the track.

But damn I REALLY like the rest of the tracks. Esp Go Home To Yo Man ooh that's a classic sound

Did anypne get the bonus dvd with their cd? What was on it?

  

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160. "yup, Hey Yo is slightly questionable, there's one other 'ok' cut but"
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I'm happy and in some cases extremely happy with the rest.

I know some seem so-so on the single but I think '#Trendin' is a perfect single/intro back in for these guys, that cut is gonna move live & in the context of the album I'm digging it.

And yeah, IfIWasYourMan is one of the best cuts. Is it my imagination or do I hear a bit of the verse-melody from Janet's 'Escapade' in there?

The DVD is cool, well put together visually even if obviously not a big-budget production & gives a well-rounded breakdown/perspective of each band member's recounting of events plus keeps going back to current day with them all sitting around a restaurant table a la Reservoir Dogs.

Lots of quotables from Morris of course but Terry had some hilarious moments as well & it's cool to hear from Jessie as well.

All in all, the CD/DVD special edition was the best ten bucks I spent all weekend by a country mile.

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168. "i might give them a tip when i see them perform"
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>All in all, the CD/DVD special edition was the best ten bucks
>I spent all weekend by a country mile.

I agree bro. I can't recall the last time I spent $10 and felt completely satisfied. They really put their hearts into this project and wanted to spread that love to their fans who've been with them since '81. That's wonderful!!

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161. "do urself a favor"
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and cop the dvd
ultimate gift from the guys to their fans
great doc on the past present and future of the band..

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162. "On Sick....the BAYbeee CRAYzeee part kinda bugs me"
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164. "RE: The Original 7ven-Condenstate (the album)"
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I was skeptical of the Time "getting the band back together" and was salty about having to go to Best Buy to get te DVD (you know support your local record store instead)....


....but the Original 7ven delivered a great album. Several cuts stand out. My favorites are Toast to the Party Girl and If I Was Yo Man. But the album is full of quality songs.

And getting the DVD is like finding $20 bills in an old pair of pants. It gives a great look at the guys in the band and their respective and collective stories. It made me laugh for real again and again. The retelling Alexander O'Neal meeting at Perkins was hilarious.

If you were ever a fan of MPLS funk cop this album and the DVD as soon as you can.

  

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165. "This album IS bangin'!"
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I really wasn't expecting much from the CD. I bought it mostly because of the DVD throw in at Best Buy. A CD and DVD for ten bucks? Why not? But they've got some tracks on here. A couple I can do without and a couple are okay. But the vast majority are some bangers. My favs right now are. "If I Was Yo Man", "Roleplay", "Lifestyle", and "Faithful".

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166. "definitely crushing Pandemonium "
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169. "yeah, to confirm this I ran the entire album from top to bottom"
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PANDEMONIUM that is, in a sort of Morris Day Marathon I ran this weekend.

I still rank it above ICE CREAM CASTLES despite that album having 2 of the band's best known (but not best-charting) songs, but "My Drawers" was the best thing on there. Title track is totally not "The Time", and it only really serves as "companion" to Purple Rain in a way, instead of standing on its own like the other albums do. All the band members asked about it, particularly Jesse, were not fond of that album.

But PANDEMONIUM really can't compare to this record. And as OldPro and rev75 have said, I don't think even the last few Prince records (as a whole) compare to this.

PANDEMONIUM wasn't bad, but it was disjointed in a way that it CONDENSATE isn't. It's like it has sections: the stuff you know is Jimmy/Terry/Morris, then the stuff you know is Prince cleaned up by Jimmy and Terry, then the Jesse section, then back to Jimmy/Terry/Morris and Jimmy/Terry/Monte...

sonically, it sounds like "1990".

And that's not bad in itself. But IMO the best songs off that record were ones known by Prince aficionados to be "old castoffs": "Jerk Out" and "Chocolate". And I doubt Prince, based on what he gave The Time for GRAFFITI BRIDGE and the CORPORATE WORLD project, was really in the mindset of using either at the time. Considering nostalgia was the order of the day, those were the perfect two songs to start off, and the band actually took off some of the rough edges of both, adding their own distinct flavor.

I liked the "Jesse" songs. "Skillet" especially is a great "concert song", and I think that's the one Pandemonium bit besides "Jerk Out" that gets regular rotation in Time concerts. "It's Your World" and the title track were cool, but I had a feeling that Jimmy and Terry did Morris better with the tracks on his DAYDREAMING album, and hell, what they were doing for other artists were worlds above that.

Monte's "Sometimes I Get Lonely" is the other "takeaway" from PANDEMONIUM. Great song, and the kind of material I would have hoped to hear from the band after hearing all those Flyte Tyme records in between WHAT TIME IS IT? and this record.

The "Prince" songs not mentioned above, aren't bad. However, I know for a fact, that the version of "Data Bank" he recorded years earlier was a scorcher that his albums of the time sorely lacked, and the other songs are just "cool".

I remember reading those song titles on a back of a CD years ago and wondering what the music sounded like. I expected more out of "Donald Trump (Black Version)" (which again, was a "cool" song from an R&B perspective, but rather subdued), after seeing the "Jerk Out" video.

Knowing the back story behind this album now (that Warners mandated The Time's reunion, rather than them uniting again on their own) really puts things in perspective. It's still better than what Prince was going to do with CORPORATE WORLD... only that title track and perhaps "Murph Drag" (which every damn write up I've heard of that set praises, but IMO actually "drags") really would have gotten something approaching the released product's reception.

If I may Maxxx Up for a bit, in 1988-90 Prince was kind of losing his "R&B" ear as his own music was going down different paths. I think he was a lil late getting on the "Rhythm & Breakbeats" sound (the Time songs on GRAFFITI BRIDGE) and while songs like the pseudo-swing of "Housequake" were a life preserver, dude was just not really hitting like he used to. I dunno what it was. So I'm not surprised that some "old" songs he had lying around for The Time were the ones that hit the hardest.

Then again, he was writing cool music for Tevin Campbell so maybe I can't really call it. He went from surefire to "hit and miss" pretty quickly though.

  

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170. "RE: yeah, to confirm this I ran the entire album from top to bottom"
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>PANDEMONIUM that is, in a sort of Morris Day Marathon I ran
>this weekend.
>
>I still rank it above ICE CREAM CASTLES despite that album
>having 2 of the band's best known (but not best-charting)
>songs, but "My Drawers" was the best thing on there. Title
>track is totally not "The Time", and it only really serves as
>"companion" to Purple Rain in a way, instead of standing on
>its own like the other albums do. All the band members asked
>about it, particularly Jesse, were not fond of that album.
>
>But PANDEMONIUM really can't compare to this record. And as
>OldPro and rev75 have said, I don't think even the last few
>Prince records (as a whole) compare to this.
>
>PANDEMONIUM wasn't bad, but it was disjointed in a way that it
>CONDENSATE isn't. It's like it has sections: the stuff you
>know is Jimmy/Terry/Morris, then the stuff you know is Prince
>cleaned up by Jimmy and Terry, then the Jesse section, then
>back to Jimmy/Terry/Morris and Jimmy/Terry/Monte...
>
>sonically, it sounds like "1990".
>
>And that's not bad in itself. But IMO the best songs off that
>record were ones known by Prince aficionados to be "old
>castoffs": "Jerk Out" and "Chocolate". And I doubt Prince,
>based on what he gave The Time for GRAFFITI BRIDGE and the
>CORPORATE WORLD project, was really in the mindset of using
>either at the time. Considering nostalgia was the order of the
>day, those were the perfect two songs to start off, and the
>band actually took off some of the rough edges of both, adding
>their own distinct flavor.
>
>I liked the "Jesse" songs. "Skillet" especially is a great
>"concert song", and I think that's the one Pandemonium bit
>besides "Jerk Out" that gets regular rotation in Time
>concerts. "It's Your World" and the title track were cool, but
>I had a feeling that Jimmy and Terry did Morris better with
>the tracks on his DAYDREAMING album, and hell, what they were
>doing for other artists were worlds above that.
>
>Monte's "Sometimes I Get Lonely" is the other "takeaway" from
>PANDEMONIUM. Great song, and the kind of material I would have
>hoped to hear from the band after hearing all those Flyte Tyme
>records in between WHAT TIME IS IT? and this record.
>
>The "Prince" songs not mentioned above, aren't bad. However, I
>know for a fact, that the version of "Data Bank" he recorded
>years earlier was a scorcher that his albums of the time
>sorely lacked, and the other songs are just "cool".
>
>I remember reading those song titles on a back of a CD years
>ago and wondering what the music sounded like. I expected more
>out of "Donald Trump (Black Version)" (which again, was a
>"cool" song from an R&B perspective, but rather subdued),
>after seeing the "Jerk Out" video.
>
>Knowing the back story behind this album now (that Warners
>mandated The Time's reunion, rather than them uniting again on
>their own) really puts things in perspective. It's still
>better than what Prince was going to do with CORPORATE
>WORLD... only that title track and perhaps "Murph Drag" (which
>every damn write up I've heard of that set praises, but IMO
>actually "drags") really would have gotten something
>approaching the released product's reception.
>
>If I may Maxxx Up for a bit, in 1988-90 Prince was kind of
>losing his "R&B" ear as his own music was going down different
>paths. I think he was a lil late getting on the "Rhythm &
>Breakbeats" sound (the Time songs on GRAFFITI BRIDGE) and
>while songs like the pseudo-swing of "Housequake" were a life
>preserver, dude was just not really hitting like he used to. I
>dunno what it was. So I'm not surprised that some "old" songs
>he had lying around for The Time were the ones that hit the
>hardest.
>
>Then again, he was writing cool music for Tevin Campbell so
>maybe I can't really call it. He went from surefire to "hit
>and miss" pretty quickly though.



GREAT post....

So true, especially your last point about "surefire to hit-or-miss"...And your funk view of Prince's later '80s/early '90s material in terms of its connection to the Time was spot on....But I always go back to the point that doesn't get talked about enough...

Think about it...From 1980 to 1989 Prince was practically averaging an album a year...This does not include all of the side projects he was doing from the Time to Vanity 6 to writing songs for Tevin Campbell and the like....Quite simply, Prince shot his wad....

I mean, the ridiculous amount of bootlegs from that era tell the story...Prince was seemingly obsessed with writing/recording music...Nigga was on some Tupac shit to infinity before Pac went Pac...Burnout was bound to happen...

Ironically, I believe that prolific insanity only enhances Prince's legend...Which is why I laugh when I hear folks say that Prince only had one great decade...

After the obsessed, avalanche-like rate that Prince was writing songs (I don't know if there was someone as crazed as dude in the history of pop when it came to releasing music) there was no where else to go but down...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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175. "he only had one Great decade IMO"
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of quality material which is vastly different than Quanity which Little Richard also said about Prince by the way.

Little RIchard was right when he said a little bit of something is better than a whole lot of nothing.

also the folks Prince had around him challenged him and he fed off that energy.

his 90's stuff till now is hit and alot of miss.

dude been a consistant live stage act for 20 plus years, but the studio stuff ain't been memorable IMO.

and Stevie Wonder,George Clinton,Curtis Mayfield,lionel richie,maurice white, R.kelly prolific cats and there are other acts who did it strong for a decade and longer and didn't lose there best stuff.

tough for Prince fans to accept that. he said himself the 80's was his best era of music making.

just because prince wrote alot for others doesn't mean it was all memorable either.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

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176. "RE: he only had one Great decade IMO"
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>and Stevie Wonder,George Clinton,Curtis Mayfield,lionel
>richie,maurice white, R.kelly prolific cats and there are
>other acts who did it strong for a decade and longer and
>didn't lose there best stuff.



All of those guys you named were indeed prolific (Kellz was as well...He def. had the skill and talent...Always has...But it has to be said, his success came from the fact that dude was on autopilot much of his career...Beyond the Chocolate Factory and his turn to gospel, Kelly never really branched out of musical palette and always had the luxury of staying in pocket/jumping on the newest trends...He was shameless like that...lol)

But the difference between them and Prince is this....dude was obsessed with his shit to the point that he was over-flooding material at a time that is frequently called his classic period (80-88)...Stevie, even at his most prolific points with Syreeta and writing songs for MJ and his string of classic albums, never felt the need to control EVERYTHING...He never felt the need to release an album a year....He never felt the need to give GREAT material to a flurry of satelite acts like The Time, Sheila E, The Family, The Bangles ect...

I know that its hard to accept Maxx, but Prince took it to the extreme....George Clinton? His prolific zeal was fueled by the fact that he was never a traditional modern day musician...Clinton was the classic band leader who oversaw a shitload of P-Funk acts...But he never wrote, produced and played at the dizzying pace that Prince did...and he wasn't trying to micro-manage all of his acts like Prince...I love the fact that he gave Bootsy the ball to run...He gave Bernie the ball to run...He gave Maceo the ball to run...Prince kept the damn ball...lol

George didn't handle his outfit like a dictator like Prince did....And that went on to have a huge impact on his later years...



>tough for Prince fans to accept that. he said himself the 80's
>was his best era of music making.

What are you with FOX news or something? lol...Who ever said the '80s wasn't his best era Maxx?...I've said that many times...

The difference is I'm saying Prince overextended himself...You making it out to be like Prince was doing the same shit that Stevie, George and Curtis was doing...Those guys didn't burn out because they paced themselves...

Prince was nuts...He made those guys look like they were lazy...lol


Bottom line: I'm saying Prince was easily the most prolific pop star of his classic era...And its Prince's lack of pacing (He could have learned a few things from MJ in that regard) that contributed to his decline in the next decade...A decade (the '90s) that is only viewed as decent when compared to the fact that Prince was making his peers in the '80s look like they were slumming it...What Prince did in the '80s will most likely never be seen again...




GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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189. "id take Stevie's run over Prince's easily"
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and again it ain't like Prince was writing songs on acts that were considered Great etc..

i mean the time stuff as was the case with shelia e was what i'd call tight grooves and jams same with vanity 6,etc.. it wasn't like he was writing the kind of stuff that Smokey Robinson was giving away to the Temptations to sing,etc..


Stevie made better albums and had a stronger sound IMO.

Prince got a attitude and drive no doubt and i liked it alot at the time, but he never hit me album like Stevie Wonder did and he never matched Stevie Wonder to me at all. Stevie just did it the right way IMO.

Prince IMO hit his peak of Powers in 82 as artist,etc.. he did his best Productions in 82 and truly was on the pulse.

his Musicianship never weavered but the thing as little Richard said so well about Prince which was true even back in 87 and 88 Quanity ain't quality a little bit of something is better than a whole lot of nothing.

yeah had he taken some time off and went with the best stuff as to trying to cram everything down peoples throats that he recorded history might look at him differently.

his musicianship got more polished over time, but his songwriting, Production,etc.. down sanked IMO long long long ago.

like i said since 88 his saving grace is the stage. IMO

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194. "RE: id take Stevie's run over Prince's easily"
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>and again it ain't like Prince was writing songs on acts that
>were considered Great etc..


What does that have to do with anything? It's not a songwriters job to work with great artists...It's his/her job to simply write a great song...

And that's what he did whether it was The Time ("777-9311" and a gang of other shit that's too long to name from those first two albums), Vanity 6 ("Nasty Girl" still gets run...one of the sickest grooves and drum breaks ever recorded) to the fucking Bangles ("Manic Monday"..nigga could do pop better than most pop acts) to Sheila E ("Glamourous Life is insanely genius)...

Shit, Prince was even in so much of a zone that decade that he could literally walk into a recording session for someone else (Stevie Nicks--"Stand Back"), come up with a catchy keyboard groove and leave minutes later on a pimp strut

Know greatness....

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196. "RE: id take Stevie's run over Prince's easily"
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those ain't great songs IMO. 777-9311 is a Jam but it ain't a Great song big difference. sounds good and tight for its time. same with nasty girl. now Rick James wrote a stronger song called "In my house" for the Mary Jane girls and he did a good tight and strong groove number for the Mary Jane Girls called "All Night Long" big difference.

"Stand back" is a cool keyboard based cut which sounds like a 2nd to 3rd cousin of "Little Corvette" but it ain't no classic song.

"glamorous Life" a really good song, not great except in Princeville,Kool-Aid Usa,

"Maniac Monday" Ill give you it still holds up and still works.

but them other songs were strickly groove and Beats not Great songs.

Prince is not a Great Songwriter not by any stretch, but he is a Great Overall Artist when you add up the sum of parts which is to say even if you are a Great Artist you can have your short comings and he was always more known for sound than any one part.

because Prince ain't never showed me a whole lot as a Songwriter per se. but when you combine his musical adventures and a Groove or vamp in place he makes it work,however purely as one thing? naw and to prove my point what is the last Great song he has written in the last 20 plus years? do show and tell please?

Great artist for a career on a whole, however never ever a stand out in any one thing.

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198. "RE: id take Stevie's run over Prince's easily"
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>those ain't great songs IMO. 777-9311 is a Jam but it ain't
>a Great song big difference. s

Hey...we just have a difference of opinion...I think "777-9311" is a GREAT funk song...

You think greatness has to be some sweeping, string laden pop song written by Lionel R.

It's quite possible that greatness can be both...

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200. "RE: id take Stevie's run over Prince's easily"
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yeah no harm no foul i dig 777-9311 in a update version if you will of Prince doing his graham central station"the jam" showcasing the instrumentation which he has done throughout his career as such.

i just don't think of it as a Great song but a strong jam and groove based song.

not everything with Lionel is the strings its the connection of words and music. melody chord changes, vamp,hook and bridge which along with the words is what moves me.

IMO the Ohio Players wrote Great funky, Groove and well written songs all in one shot. they had all those ingrediants down pat with "Love rollercoaster" whereas "fonky WOrm" is a tight Groove and vamp however i don't feel its a great song per se, but Junie morrison's playing and the Groove is tight. i can dig and appreciate the rhythm a whole lot in one area and yet feel that something else is being sacrificed in another and then you connect the dots.

like i dig 777-9311 for the groove and the breaks in it, but a song like "a Love bizarre" for me just gets it all right, its got the whole 9 for me. but hey thats just me and we agree to disagree cool.

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177. "RE: he only had one Great decade IMO"
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>tough for Prince fans to accept that. he said himself the 80's
>was his best era of music making.

Not tough for me to accept that at all. First off a decade long run is pretty damn impressive in and of itself (its not really a decade in the truest sense but it is 10 years 78-88) but the length of time isn't what made Prince a special act. It was the fact dude brought a new sound to black music which completely engulfed his peers inside 5 years. I mean dude just came through and took shit over in a way I still haven't seen in my lifetime. The songs that came from the middle period of that run are some of the greatest rock/funk records of all time. The man was so prolific during this time his own albums couldn't contain him. Just look at 81-84... during that time dude dropped the album controversy, the double album 1999, purple rain... ridiculous b sides like erotic city, irresistible bitch, & 17 days... side projects like the two time albums, sheila e, vanity 6 and cuts like sugar walls for sheena easton... and oh yeah he capped it all off with a now iconic movie. And I'm not even going into the fact Prince basically schooled two of the biggest producers ever during this same period.

So we can try and downplay P's career by saying he ONLY had one great decade (the use of only here even makes me laugh) but if we really want to call shit for what it is we'd call it total and utter dominance.

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180. "RE: he only had one Great decade IMO"
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>>tough for Prince fans to accept that. he said himself the
>80's
>>was his best era of music making.
>
>Not tough for me to accept that at all. First off a decade
>long run is pretty damn impressive in and of itself (its not
>really a decade in the truest sense but it is 10 years 78-88)
>but the length of time isn't what made Prince a special act.
>It was the fact dude brought a new sound to black music which
>completely engulfed his peers inside 5 years. I mean dude just
>came through and took shit over in a way I still haven't seen
>in my lifetime. The songs that came from the middle period of
>that run are some of the greatest rock/funk records of all
>time. The man was so prolific during this time his own albums
>could contain him. Just look at 81-84... during that time dude
>dropped the album controversy, the double album 1999, purple
>rain... ridiculous b sides like erotic city, irresistible
>bitch, & 17 days... side projects like the two time albums,
>sheila e, vanity 6 and cuts like sugar walls for sheena
>easton... and oh yeah he capped it all off with a now iconic
>movie. And I'm not even going into the fact Prince basically
>schooled two of the biggest producers ever during this same
>period.
>
>So we can try and downplay P's career by saying he ONLY had
>one great decade (the use of only here even makes me laugh)
>but if we really want to call shit for what it we'd call it
>total and utter dominance.



^^^Knows the deal....


You can't compare Prince's '80s run to anyone in pop music history...To me, Prince had the mindset of a jazz artist...He didn't view music as only a commercial platform...Dude was making music because that shit was like breathing to him...To me, Stevie was the same way...

The man had to be talked out of releasing albums by his record label...lol...Not because the music was bad (the bootleg outtakes proves this)...But because they thought he was flooding the market too damn much...And this was at a time when dude was still going triple platinum and getting Album of the Year Grammy nods....

But I'll say it again...The irony was Prince's own high level of prolific output contributed to his future artistic stumbles...The fact that Prince never had someone who could tell him, "Hey kid...you might want to keep some of this Time material for yourself...And while you're at it, keep all those songs like "Glamorous Life," "Screams of Passion" for yourself, and space out your albums so people will miss u..." He needed that shit...He needed an editor...

If Prince would have done this^^^we might be talking about dude being the greatest popular musical act of all-time, not just of one particular era...

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181. "Good point on those boots"
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it blows my mind that he had shit like Extralovable just laying around... when i first heard that song I just couldn't believe it. I mean had he dropped that record back then it would have been huge on black radio.
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183. "you ain't kidding"
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>it blows my mind that he had shit like Extralovable just
>laying around... when i first heard that song I just couldn't
>believe it. I mean had he dropped that record back then it
>would have been huge on black radio.

I had the same reaction when I first heard it. I was like, "WTF Prince"
a lot of that 1999-era material was damn good.

  

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184. "imagine purple music as a b side"
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185. "RE: you ain't kidding"
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>>it blows my mind that he had shit like Extralovable just
>>laying around... when i first heard that song I just
>couldn't
>>believe it. I mean had he dropped that record back then it
>>would have been huge on black radio.
>
>I had the same reaction when I first heard it. I was like,
>"WTF Prince"
>a lot of that 1999-era material was damn good.


The shit is crazy...Maxx acts like Prince wasn't working in the studio at an obsessed pace...Dude was stockpiling 100's of songs....And it wasn't because he wanted to...it was because his label wouldn't let him release a lot of that shit...lol

Shit, not only was the 1999 era bootleg stuff crazy, but his mid 80's to 88 stuff? Those bootlegs are insane..."Wonderful Ass"? "Witness for the Prosecution"? "All My Dreams?"...Artists would cut off their left arm to release that level of material...

Meanwhile, Prince has that shit collecting dust...That's some other shit...

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191. "i strongly dissagree on alot of those boots"
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Warners was right in holding it back because what has he composed that is so memorable since he parted ways with them again?

also this leads to him being seen as somewhat Overrated by some because for his talent and songs supposendly stockpiled the stuff he put out in the post Warner Brothers era is like somebody kidnapped his being and watered him way down.


them songs mentioned are tight Jams and Grooves, however i co sign warners for not putting them out because they arehalf baked joints.

its the thing we liked by the time, however Prince is a Smart Brother and he knows if he put some of that stuff out that it was all jam base without any direction.

like how Overrated and Inflated the "Black Album" turned out to be,.

just alot of loose jamming and grooves but no songs per se.

more myth and smoking mirrors than actual Heat.

i've heard a whole lot of his outtakes and it is a Mix back at best.

the original "Old friends 4 sale" is nice and yet i see why he held it back.

extra loveable is a bumping groove, but Prince didn't want to be a Cat who just did Groove based songs because again he wanted to be a complete artist and those kind of songs are dead end territory.

similiar to why Michael Jackson didn't put out "Sunset Driver" because it is a bumping Groove and Jam, but it ain't meant to be no Album song.

when i was younger I use to think acts wanted those songs, but over time they stayed right where they belonged.

Warner Brothers did Prince a huge favor in so many ways and those cats were Music people who told him no and go get a hit song.

like how ole Boy told Prince when they first heard the songs for Purple Rain and they were that is cool but where is the money track and he dug up "when doves cry" out of his soul that is the challenge a cat needed and push.

i like alot of the vamps and Grooves but after a while he settled for that and then he just couldn't connect a proper song IMO again.

his musicianship and versatility is still strong and continued to improve but there is no balance and it got lost. IMO.

back in the day when acts had folks in there eras who knew the music they made you put out your best stuff.

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192. "RE: i strongly dissagree on alot of those boots"
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Uh huh...Agree to disagree on that one...

My Purple bootleg stockpile says otherwise...

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188. "the point of saying he had only one wasn't to downplay his importance"
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he is one of the most important Artists Ever, that is a fact now to the level of where he ranks is all subjective.

also other artists runs are more impressive who had longer runs. i mean James brown, Miles Davis, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson IMO.


i think he hit so hard so soon and then it went away is one of the reasons why i say only one because you expect more over time and it never even came even half way close again. spolied and then it disappeared.


he was something else back then, i never said other wise, however for me it goes like this

his 70's era was so/so

90's he was corny

00's til now not even worth listeing to beyond a couple of songs here and there which at best are mainly in the low 2nd tier high third tier bracket.


80's was his golden era.

that is why i take the indifferent approach and say only one decade however he was something else for his time.

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220. "RE: the point of saying he had only one wasn't to downplay his importanc..."
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>he is one of the most important Artists Ever, that is a fact
>now to the level of where he ranks is all subjective.
>
>also other artists runs are more impressive who had longer
>runs. i mean James brown, Miles Davis, Stevie Wonder,
>Michael Jackson IMO.


To me the only other artist that matches Prince's run is Stevie....

James and Miles are in a whole other category....Those dudes changed the course of music so many times that they are beyond this discussion...We talking about two cats that invented the wheel...lol..They r beyond EVERYONE...

MJ's run from 79 onward was indeed great...But he didn't release the same amount of material that Stevie and Prince did during their GOAT runs...

Mike was a dude that was more about making "Event" statements...Two albums a decade type steeze...He was that live..lol...And at times I loved MJ for it and at times I thought he could do so much more...

But hey, that's just me...

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186. "Jerk Out like most of the best Grafitti Bridge stuff was a rehash/rework"
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of songs that P had done in the halcyon days of his 80s work.

Joy In Repetition, Still Would Stand All Time, We Can Funk were the same way.

We didn't really know it then but his creative light had already dulled by this point & he was keeping the thing moving on the fumes of his earlier prolific period.

But yeah, there's a reason 'Skillet' & 'Jerk Out' are the joints you hear them do in shows since. They're the two that best stand up to the rest of their catalog from earlier.

Great post by the way.

I haven't listened to Pandemonium in so long (I never even upgraded to CD on that, it still sits in a chest with the rest of my cassettes from 87-90 in a South Jersey basement) that I'm tempted to do so just to reconfirm but I'm sure I'll feel the same way.

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187. "the first time i was let down by p"
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was on this record
1990 was the year of the bootlegs for me and saved my fanatacism
so imagine a cat seeing data bank on the back of the box and thinking it was gonna throw down like the bootleg

WRONG

WRONG

WRONG

I skipped all of the tracks to get to that garbage


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172. "RE: definitely crushing Pandemonium "
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Yep...I agree...

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173. "Yo..."
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As I noted there was a chance I was going to interview Jam & Lewis about the new "Time" album...Now it looks like its going to happen this Friday....So I got a few questions from Rev75 and OP to ask the guys about the new Time album...

Anyone else have any questions they want me to ask the guys on the new "Time" album and their overall career, post them in this thread...I will def. try to fit them in...

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174. "do they wish the movie that was said to be done with Janet jackson"
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had have been Made? and also did they want to do a split duet Project on the film with Janet and time reaunion for that film back in the day?

also would Janet have opened for them on a tour had they gone out in 87?

did they have license to use the name the time back then or would Prince have stood in the way back then if the film had been green-lighted and they were going through with everything?

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178. "along the lines of Maxxx:"
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what did Morris and Jesse (the notably absent ones) think about seeing Jimmy, Terry, Jerome, and Jellybean sneaking in "The Time" stage act with Janet Jackson way back when?

Also, between 1991 and 2008 (Grammy Reunion), did they ever really record anything together as a group, just for fun?

  

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179. "They talked about this on the dvd"
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>Also, between 1991 and 2008 (Grammy Reunion), did they ever
>really record anything together as a group, just for fun?

Morris said they've been heading over to Jimmy's house and jammin since about the 97-98. Sounded like some of the songs on this album came from those sessions.

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182. "you're right... I forgot about that part"
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>Morris said they've been heading over to Jimmy's house and
>jammin since about the 97-98. Sounded like some of the songs
>on this album came from those sessions.

I remember reading on the Internet some kind of album or something was on the backburner in the 1990s or so. I thought "wow, that would be a weird-ass time for that sort of thing" given the timeline.

  

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197. "Jesse had two tracks on janets dream street which were liteweight"
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cuts. cats wanted to branch out and work with folks period. brothers gotta eat. Jam and Lewis hardly ever turned down anyone.

Jellybean was cool to be with Janet as well he did a Guitar part on "black Cat" so he was down.

Monte was on Janet projects.


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193. "Do any of the members have artists they are working with?"
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Young up and coming bands or solo artists that they are mentoring or helping to release their music and learn the industry and if not would they be open to doing that.

  

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199. "RE: Do any of the members have artists they are working with?"
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Hey guys...Good questions....For real...If anyone has anymore send them my way...

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195. "Yeah...this album is very very good..."
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I mean I'm digging like all but maybe 1 track....

Nice effort..

gotta say that with Jesse's Verbal Penetration and Condensate...they are coming exactly how they should come right now....these are funky records.....

now the DVD is well appreciated too...lots of background on the band as individuals..and a very concise breakdown of the bands history..


Now Prince..

come on man....

the man should be proud of all of this..ok he ran a tight shit..he tripped...but James Brown did too.....

but today is today...and there is no reason not to support this, and really appreciate it...


It's great though the the guys can enjoy this now....it's a good album and they can make some dough and have some fun with all this..

live they rippin up the stage still...

  

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201. "More questions for Murph for the Original 7ven"
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did they ever want to be staff writers at Paisley park if given the chance 1)

what did they think of the difference of Prince's music and sound when Prince had andre Cymone and Dez Dickerson in the band as to when Wendy and Lisa took Over 2)

what did they think of Dr.Fink and his style of playing with Prince just from the keys perspective? 3)

how did they feel when Sonny Thompson joined the NPG and knowing his importance on Prince and also he was once part of the Jesse Johnson Revue and his impact as a Musician from Minneapolis? 4)

did the guys ever want to get together on Perspective records and do anything at any time 5)

what do they think of Mint Condition and do they think Stokley should have gone solo or they think its cool he stayed mainly in the band as to going solo 6)

did Morris Day feel his Solo career could have been more and did he ever want to do a project to showcase his drumming off more? 7)

how come Jerome benton's projects on A&M never came out and what does he think of Fonsworth bentley and what he did with Outkast and his thing in the Valet role world sidekick he made famous back in the day 8)

what was the best Project Monte Moir did? did he dig the Janet Jackson work more or the Alexender o'Neal stuff more or other projects 9)

Jam and Lewis would they have rather have been in a band enviroment doing there own thing as the time without the politics or would they have been cool with Working with as many other acts as they have if all things were fair? 10)

Jesse Johnson do you miss more Guitar based songs in modern R&B? also " nights like this" does he have his own demo version of that song and how much of Motown was he influenced by? also what does Jesse Johnson think of Lenny Kravitz since I always say that Lenny got the pop/rock market that alluded Jesse,but Jesse is clearly the better musician, but Lenny pushed the retro thang and his record company got behind him with it? 11)

there personal 10 favorite Minneapolis sound albums and songs?? 12)

what did they think of Lipps Inc and Bob Dylan being from Minneapolis and other acts since and how the music scene there was and is now 13)

do the guys want to make more band projects in the future? 14)

there final thoughts on Rick James, Michael Jackson, Roger troutman,Luther Vandross,Barry white,Teena Marie 15)

how come warner Brothers never had Jam and Lewis and Jesse Johnson under contract as solo artists? that is always been a puzzle to me 16)

what John Mcclain meant to Jam and Lewis and Jesse's early career? 17)

there thoughts on hip hop,subject matter now and then, also the deaths of pac,biggie,eazy e and others and the mogul business boutique label and shop selling of hip hop and how it has made so many cats rich and the imagery,etc.. 18)

the influence of Kid creole and that vibe on there look and imagery 19)

do they wish they had more songs done as to long extended cuts that Prince had them doing? meaning they just have a 14 song album out whereas there debut album to ice cream castles use to average 6 tracks, do they wish they had more material on the albums or do they like the shorter songs but more extended time material? also what do they think of remixes of there material..etc... 20)

would they have liked to have had Jill Jones on board for background as they had Sue Ann? also are there any of there past time tracks they cringe at or they re wrote something because they didn't agree with how prince had it presented etc... 21)

the acts that Jam and lewis,Jesse,Morris,Jellybean,monte worked with did they get acts or record label honchos saying now you guys give me that minneapolis thang you did with prince or were acts cool with what was presented ? how did they feel about new jack swing taken things over and the production style of teddy riley,laface,etc... being the dominant sound in R&B after the minneapolis sound cooled off 22)

thats just some off the top of my head. peace

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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202. "Live on Leno"
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Didn't even know they were going to be on last night... woke up this morning and saw the Leno show was on my dvd. Couldn't figure out why it was there but then checked the details and saw the Time was on... my daughter must have recorded it after I went to bed. Fucked up part is she didn't extend the record time so it ran out half way through the song... found this version on youtube... it's a little janky but the sound is good.

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204. "I loved how they switched into 'Cool' at that one part"
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but my favorite part was the beginning... when they were using parts of "Strawberry Lake" and "Toast to the Party Girl".

  

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206. "I knew those were going to both sound great live"
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>but my favorite part was the beginning... when they were
>using parts of "Strawberry Lake" and "Toast to the Party
>Girl".

That little taste has me feenin to see them do a gang of shit from the new album
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226. "they gotta have a tour coming off this right? I'm kinda mad I didn't"
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realize they were at Nokia the other week.

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205. " I just happened to come across their name last night in the info guide"
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I never watch or even ever check to see who's on Leno but I somehow caught it last night before I went to bed, programmed it to record then was dissapointed this morning to see it basically only got to that first 'tweety-pie' before cutting off.

I guess this is why when I used to DVR Fallon at my old place I always got the end of Leno's musical guest (and it was usually enough for most of the song).

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207. "I hate how they have these shows run over"
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I always add a couple minutes in case they pull that shit... which they usually do.
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209. "yup, I messed up not doing so"
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>I always add a couple minutes in case they pull that shit...
>which they usually do.
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203. "Murph if your interview hasn't gone down yet and you check in b4 hand"
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Please just let them know that they made some long time fans very happy. This album is so good I went out and bought 2 more copies yesterday for friends... one called me last night raving about how good this shit is.

The more I listen to this album the better it gets. I'm going to have to bump my rating up from an 8 to 9.5 ... even Trendin and Lifestyle are working for me now. Only reason i'm not going to give it a 10 is this album gives me faith they might be on an upswing and could do even better with another one lol. I think the problem some folks had (me included) is they really didn't know what they wanted from a new Time album. Had they just dropped a bunch of by the numbers classic sounding Time jams I don't think we'd have really been all that satisfied in the long run. What they did with this thing is pretty damn impressive when you sit down and let it marinate. The fellas have seamlessly merged the Time sound with various styles and genres... even more they each brought their solo sounds into the mix. Take a song like Lifestyle (which i kinda passed over when the album first dropped) in one song you have that classic "dreamy" Jam & Lewis production on top of a modern sounding R&B track with a splash of Jesse's "I Want My Girl" synths thrown in for good measure. In context I can't even be mad at what they did with Trendin now.

The album is simply brilliant imo... in fact this may become somewhat of a litmus test for me. If you can't find this thing at least somewhat enjoyable I don't think we should ever be discussing music again... we're clearly looking for different things if you can't feel this.

The boys did good... even better than I first thought. We just didn't know what we wanted... but more importantly they did.
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208. "I really feel the same way"
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I think months, if not years, removed, it'll be the same, unless somehow they come out with something better. Though, I really can't say that the overwhelmingly positive reaction to this album is just the result of superfans like us just happy to hear them again. Nearly every review I've read indicates a pleasant surprise.

They actually made a good album with modern sensibilities. While I would have loved to have heard something along the lines of "Old School" (the scrapped Morris track) on this record, I think what they did instead really was a better idea. I think maybe I'd even find a way to like "Hey Yo" (which as CherNic said above, sounds a little too "T.I."-ish for me to buy as a "Time" song) after some time. I mean, it's not so bad that I don't even listen to it ("If The Kid Can't Make You Come" is in that category to me...it was confusing even if you think about it in Purple Rain context).

The most hype song to me was "Toast to The Party Girl"... especially that end. Really felt like you were in a live show with them. Even the "since 1981" lead in, and then going into a song that sounds like "After Hi School" to start off... then it just turned into a monster.

Everything leading up to this album in hindsight seemed like a stroke of genius. Selling the name change, the snippets, and everything else... I really hope that they can go out and tour for real. This is really what Pandemonium should have been... and would have been if they came back naturally and not via a record company mandate.

  

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210. "I'm not ashamed to say i like Hey Yo"
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Like you, it caught me off guard at first but that's only because I had a narrow view of who I thought The Time was and what they should sound like. This whole album has me realizing, as great as I always thought they were, I sold them short. We all knew they could burn a stage down... but as a collective in the studio they are just on a level I had never even imagined. A song like Hey Yo just shows how ridiculous these guys are at this point. As you said, it really isn't what we think The Time sounds like... but taken just on it's own merits it's a very well done "modern" sounding song. We all know what Prince and other "old" acts have sounded like when they moved outside their box and have tried to "update" like this... it hasn't been pretty. If a more recent act had dropped this we wouldn't have thought twice about it. But when you really listen, they are doing more in there than your run of the mill rapper or R&B producer would have done on the same track. This album has me feeling like they can do just about any style that's popular now and do it better than their modern day counterpart.

I actually had to bar myself from this album for 3-4 days just because I was playing it too much. Coming back to it with "rested" ears really has given me a new perspective on this whole project and the group.
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215. "my follow up"
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>I actually had to bar myself from this album for 3-4 days just
>because I was playing it too much. Coming back to it with
>"rested" ears really has given me a new perspective on this
>whole project and the group.

Me Too!!! I agree with both you and Claw on your thoughts.

Here's what I dig on the record:

--This is what a Grown Folks record should sound like. NO RAPS. NO AUTO TUNE. NO TECHNO.
--Had no clue Morris co-wrote If I Was....
--If ANYONE talks bad about Jesse, I will kick their ass. His production,songwriting, musicianship AND overall attitude is amazing on this project
--same goes for Jimmy and Terry...it aint easy taking a classic band with a classic sound and updating that sound with just enough of the past to let you know who you're listening to.
--Had no clue Jesse had his hands on Role Play and Lifestyle
--Jerome's backing voices are hilarious!!!!! He never stops. I would love to see a vid of him doing his parts.
--Not taking away Morris' silliness becuase I crack up everytime he sings "Me and Mrs Jonezzzz" on Go Home
--This record proves the underrated aspect of group dynamics. This record would not have been the same if someone was missing from the group or if Prince was involved. Reminds me why the Pfunk record TAPOAFOM was so damn good. The sum is greater than the parts.
--They threw down on Leno in that we only have 5mins kinda way

and with that said, I'm going to stand by my statement and take all of the "you must be crazy/losing your damn mind /hell no" statements from all of y'all and say The Original 7ven would bring the ruckus if they were on the same bill as Prince.

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211. "RE: Murph if your interview hasn't gone down yet and you check in b4 han..."
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>Please just let them know that they made some long time fans
>very happy. This album is so good I went out and bought 2 more
>copies yesterday for friends... one called me last night
>raving about how good this shit is.
>
As I stated earlier in this post before I ran out to Best Buy last week I was copping two (one for my work homegirl).

When she came back in after the weekend not only did she say she loved it but that she'd been bumping it in the car while driving her daughter & friends around (they're all about 14/15, high school freshman) and they were all loving it (Cadillac & Faithful being the consensus amongst their crew).

Those 14-year-olds who had never heard of The Time couldn't even believe these guys were 'old', they were banging it like it was the new Chris Brown & were getting picked up from their little high-school dance telling my coworker that they were 'condensating' on the dance floor all night.

I was grinning ear-to-ear when she told me that.

> The more I listen to this album the better it gets. I'm going
>to have to bump my rating up from an 8 to 9.5 ... even Trendin
>and Lifestyle are working for me now. Only reason i'm not
>going to give it a 10 is this album gives me faith they might
>be on an upswing and could do even better with another one
>lol. I think the problem some folks had (me included) is they
>really didn't know what they wanted from a new Time album. Had
>they just dropped a bunch of by the numbers classic sounding
>Time jams I don't think we'd have really been all that
>satisfied in the long run. What they did with this thing is
>pretty damn impressive when you sit down and let it marinate.
>The fellas have seamlessly merged the Time sound with various
>styles and genres... even more they each brought their solo
>sounds into the mix. Take a song like Lifestyle (which i kinda
>passed over when the album first dropped) in one song you have
>that classic "dreamy" Jam & Lewis production on top of a
>modern sounding R&B track with a splash of Jesse's "I Want My
>Girl" synths thrown in for good measure. In context I can't
>even be mad at what they did with Trendin now.
>
>The album is simply brilliant imo... in fact this may become
>somewhat of a litmus test for me. If you can't find this thing
>at least somewhat enjoyable I don't think we should ever be
>discussing music again... we're clearly looking for different
>things if you can't feel this.
>
>The boys did good... even better than I first thought. We just
>didn't know what we wanted... but more importantly they did.
>_________________________________
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>Bringing Together Five Decades of R&B/Funk/Soul/Dance
>
>http://reunionradio.blogspot.com/

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212. "RE: Murph if your interview hasn't gone down yet and you check in b4 han..."
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>>Please just let them know that they made some long time
>fans
>>very happy. This album is so good I went out and bought 2
>more
>>copies yesterday for friends... one called me last night
>>raving about how good this shit is.
>>
>As I stated earlier in this post before I ran out to Best Buy
>last week I was copping two (one for my work homegirl).
>
>When she came back in after the weekend not only did she say
>she loved it but that she'd been bumping it in the car while
>driving her daughter & friends around (they're all about
>14/15, high school freshman) and they were all loving it
>(Cadillac & Faithful being the consensus amongst their crew).
>
>Those 14-year-olds who had never heard of The Time couldn't
>even believe these guys were 'old', they were banging it like
>it was the new Chris Brown & were getting picked up from their
>little high-school dance telling my coworker that they were
>'condensating' on the dance floor all night.
>
>I was grinning ear-to-ear when she told me that.
>
>> The more I listen to this album the better it gets. I'm
>going
>>to have to bump my rating up from an 8 to 9.5 ... even
>Trendin
>>and Lifestyle are working for me now. Only reason i'm not
>>going to give it a 10 is this album gives me faith they
>might
>>be on an upswing and could do even better with another one
>>lol. I think the problem some folks had (me included) is
>they
>>really didn't know what they wanted from a new Time album.
>Had
>>they just dropped a bunch of by the numbers classic sounding
>>Time jams I don't think we'd have really been all that
>>satisfied in the long run. What they did with this thing is
>>pretty damn impressive when you sit down and let it
>marinate.
>>The fellas have seamlessly merged the Time sound with
>various
>>styles and genres... even more they each brought their solo
>>sounds into the mix. Take a song like Lifestyle (which i
>kinda
>>passed over when the album first dropped) in one song you
>have
>>that classic "dreamy" Jam & Lewis production on top of a
>>modern sounding R&B track with a splash of Jesse's "I Want
>My
>>Girl" synths thrown in for good measure. In context I can't
>>even be mad at what they did with Trendin now.
>>
>>The album is simply brilliant imo... in fact this may become
>>somewhat of a litmus test for me. If you can't find this
>thing
>>at least somewhat enjoyable I don't think we should ever be
>>discussing music again... we're clearly looking for
>different
>>things if you can't feel this.
>>
>>The boys did good... even better than I first thought. We
>just
>>didn't know what we wanted... but more importantly they did.

True that....

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214. "RE: Murph if your interview hasn't gone down yet and you check in b4 han..."
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>>Please just let them know that they made some long time
>fans
>>very happy. This album is so good I went out and bought 2
>more
>>copies yesterday for friends... one called me last night
>>raving about how good this shit is.
>>
>As I stated earlier in this post before I ran out to Best Buy
>last week I was copping two (one for my work homegirl).
>
>When she came back in after the weekend not only did she say
>she loved it but that she'd been bumping it in the car while
>driving her daughter & friends around (they're all about
>14/15, high school freshman) and they were all loving it
>(Cadillac & Faithful being the consensus amongst their crew).
>
>Those 14-year-olds who had never heard of The Time couldn't
>even believe these guys were 'old', they were banging it like
>it was the new Chris Brown & were getting picked up from their
>little high-school dance telling my coworker that they were
>'condensating' on the dance floor all night.
>
>I was grinning ear-to-ear when she told me that.




Man...that's a beautiful story.....Makes my grumpy, cynical ass smile...lol

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213. "RE: Murph if your interview hasn't gone down yet and you check in b4 han..."
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That's some real game you spitting....truth...

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Man, I jealous......
Please ask them about the PFunk influence in Flyte Tyme...

  

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>Man, I jealous......
>Please ask them about the PFunk influence in Flyte Tyme...


It's all good...I feel blessed that I'm able to make a living off of this shit...It's truly a passion...It makes it all worth it after having to spar with the dickhead likes of Bill O' Reilly and trying to debate with folks on TV that have no use for our culture and beyond...

I think that's why I've become so patient with Maxx....lol

(As for your P Funk question, Jam actually answered that one without me ever asking...Said that that's what the old Flyte Tyme was based on...All P-Funk...Weird costumes, mammoth horn section...all that shit...Crazy how they understood that by 1980 (Dirty Mind era) that big band were dead...And it was Terry's call after he saw the hand writing on the wall...Jam alludes to this...They saw the future...A lot of bands unfortunately didn't...)

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>Please just let them know that they made some long time fans
>very happy.

Yo Jam said thanks for all the kind words....Dude was very humbled when I let him know that people were feeling the new album....

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237. "Thanks Murph"
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when are we going to be able to check out the interview?
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217. "Prince should be afraid"
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very, very afraid. That's all I have to say.

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218. "Murph I have a question for the guys"
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If you haven't done it already...


ask them if they would consider this album somewhat of a tribute to Prince, because truth be told, I hear his influence all over Condensate

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219. "RE: Murph I have a question for the guys"
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>If you haven't done it already...
>
>
>ask them if they would consider this album somewhat of a
>tribute to Prince, because truth be told, I hear his influence
>all over Condensate

Yep...I rapped with Jam yesterday....And he basically said as much...money quote...."We would not be here without Prince...It's just that simple...Everyone that came out of the Minneapolis sound needs to understand that..."


True words^^^^....And the icing on the cake? Those boys made a pretty dope album....Jam and them should be proud....

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221. "RE: Murph I have a question for the guys"
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>>If you haven't done it already...
>>
>>
>>ask them if they would consider this album somewhat of a
>>tribute to Prince, because truth be told, I hear his
>influence
>>all over Condensate
>
>Yep...I rapped with Jam yesterday....And he basically said as
>much...money quote...."We would not be here without
>Prince...It's just that simple...Everyone that came out of the
>Minneapolis sound needs to understand that..."
>
>
>True words^^^^....And the icing on the cake? Those boys made a
>pretty dope album....Jam and them should be proud....

They really should be, this album is great. Can't get enough of "Sick" and "Role Play" Jesse is a BEAST.

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223. "RE: Murph I have a question for the guys"
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>>>If you haven't done it already...
>>>
>>>
>>>ask them if they would consider this album somewhat of a
>>>tribute to Prince, because truth be told, I hear his
>>influence
>>>all over Condensate
>>
>>Yep...I rapped with Jam yesterday....And he basically said
>as
>>much...money quote...."We would not be here without
>>Prince...It's just that simple...Everyone that came out of
>the
>>Minneapolis sound needs to understand that..."
>>
>>
>>True words^^^^....And the icing on the cake? Those boys made
>a
>>pretty dope album....Jam and them should be proud....
>
>They really should be, this album is great. Can't get enough
>of "Sick" and "Role Play" Jesse is a BEAST.


Jesse was out of his damn mind....lol...That guy was laying down some Robert Johnson licks on "Cadillac"...sick...

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224. "RE: Murph I have a question for the guys"
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>>>>If you haven't done it already...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>ask them if they would consider this album somewhat of a
>>>>tribute to Prince, because truth be told, I hear his
>>>influence
>>>>all over Condensate
>>>
>>>Yep...I rapped with Jam yesterday....And he basically said
>>as
>>>much...money quote...."We would not be here without
>>>Prince...It's just that simple...Everyone that came out of
>>the
>>>Minneapolis sound needs to understand that..."
>>>
>>>
>>>True words^^^^....And the icing on the cake? Those boys
>made
>>a
>>>pretty dope album....Jam and them should be proud....
>>
>>They really should be, this album is great. Can't get enough
>>of "Sick" and "Role Play" Jesse is a BEAST.
>
>
>Jesse was out of his damn mind....lol...That guy was laying
>down some Robert Johnson licks on "Cadillac"...sick...
>
>

yeah man I'm scared of him

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222. "damn, 'Role Play' goes hard as hell, that & 'Party Girl' Im stuck on now"
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Morris even sorta breaks out of his cool persona & puts some oomph/bark on that on the chorus.

If this album don't wake P up a bit & make him actually put some genuine effort into making a real album then nothing will

I really wanna see them do these joints live.

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227. "great thread fellas"
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especially that deep section in the middle, thanks

i love this record !

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228. "i'm more glad they are together than the record "
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the brotherhood and love is the truth and I applaud them and glad they are winning. didn't feel the tonight show performance, but glad they are doing there thing on there own terms period.

the record is just ok to me, but the real win is that they are together as Brothers and are winning. they ain't gotta worry about some out of touch, control Freak Jive Turkey hanging over them like they are back in Elementary school.

they came back as Grown Men stayed humbled and it is just good to see them all doing there thang.

Jesse always been bad and always was the baddest guitarist from the Minneapolis scene nothing new there at all. Jesse holds back because his guitar range is serious, but being tagged under Purple Property and the way the industry works and being tied to a camp hinders a cat with scary skills.

i'm proud of them doing there thing period.

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229. "I like the record more than you do but I feel what you're saying"
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Jesse's line at the end of the DVD when they're sitting around the table at the restaurant remarking about how in 2011 he realized that they're all together again & not one of them is with the same woman they were back then was funny & true.

Can't help but be happy to see these guys win like this.

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230. "i'm so happy for those cats because they paid alot of dues"
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Prince made them do a Milli Vanneli and yet they could play, sing, write,arrange, perform, etc.. they owe him his due, and yet he owes them even more, because whenever somebody downplays what they can truly do and are rolling to make you the bigger star or person, they are actually the bigger person. it takes two and both partys have to respect and appreciate that period.

they stayed humble and truth it means more having still bonding as one than regardless of a great record or good or even a hit song.

sometimes the human side of things is worth more than gold or platinum. you can't buy realness and love.

that is what makes them being together a great thing in my eyes.

i tell you something, the Jacksons will never get to Hug Michael Jackson again, the stone city band will never get to hug Rick James again, the commodores will never get to hug Milan Williams again, Chic will never have Bernard Edwards and Tony THompson to hug again,

etc... but the fact is understanding who your true friends are through thick and thin and who still is with you is winning and I'm glad the Fellas are all Alive and together and not tripping.

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231. "and that's realer than Real Deal Holyfield(c)Calvin Broadus"
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> but the fact is understanding who your true friends
>are through thick and thin and who still is with you is
>winning and I'm glad the Fellas are all Alive and together and
>not tripping.
>
>

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