MC's Who's Passion or Personality make up for lack of Technical MC Skills: You need both? The Kanye post made me think about Tupac and a few other MC's who's emotions, passion and approach to the MIC assist with maybe the lack of Technical Skills or deep lyrical ability. Some MC's are almost too technical but some have the passion and emotions that make you overlook (not really a lack of skills) some minor errors in traditional MCing. Some names that come to mind are:

1.Tupac (though more lyrical than people give him credit)
2. Kanye West
3. Chuck D (great MC but I personally dont always dig his style but his passion, voice & personality on the mic (power)helped him.
4. Biggie (ok...wait..lol...what I mean here is Biggie personlity on the mic was so good he could say crazy shit. "you look so good, I'll s*** your..**you know the rest"..lol
5.Snoop...all personality on the mic...early songs he was dope but now he can get by with anything..

just some examples from my perspective...Thoughts...who would you say Passion or Personality get them over the hump? Why?

Peace

he couldn't even figure out how to fit words into a bar, but he was very positive and conscious.

Yep, he even said that on the Hip Hop Doc "The MC"....you hit it right on the head. Lyrics helped his lack of technical skills

as of the Revolutions Per Minute album, Kweli seems to have a much better grasp of delivery than he did on Blackstar;
chooses his words more carefully, uses his words more skillfully.

lol...lol...YEP....All Passion and Style and we LOVED it..lol

Writes rhymes like a spam email but he still has the hearts and ears of real hip hop fans from sweden to vermont

his listenership spans wide swaths of the heartland, from the snow-capped mailboxes of minnesota to the lush backyards of wisconsin.

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All though I guess that depend on how you define a n Mc's technical prowess.


He isn't eminem or Jay-z in terms of smooth delivery

But in terms of lyrics/concepts/punchlines/originality you can't front on him

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Really nothing special lyrically, but his swag was, and is, so insanely dope.

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OL' DIRTY BASTARD on himself:
"I may curse, I may have a bad mouth, whatever whatever. I'm not that bad, yaknow'mean. Bad to y'all, I dunno how y'all... I don't give a fuck. Um, I'm a good person at heart, for real and shit.

we thought he was gonna not finish the rhyme

but he always did

just one beat.... *late*

His shit still looks tight on paper.

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"I may curse, I may have a bad mouth, whatever whatever. I'm not that bad, yaknow'mean. Bad to y'all, I dunno how y'all... I don't give a fuck. Um, I'm a good person at heart, for real and shit.

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But it's so smooth.

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OL' DIRTY BASTARD on himself:
"I may curse, I may have a bad mouth, whatever whatever. I'm not that bad, yaknow'mean. Bad to y'all, I dunno how y'all... I don't give a fuck. Um, I'm a good person at heart, for real and shit.

the rest I can live with,
although Pac, was fairly 'technical' 'til All Eyez On Me,
it was on there he coasted on his personality/charisma/voice/passion/.


I'd add ODB & EAZY E

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Biggie was just an example of how personality wise he could say what he wanted to and get a pass. Of course Bigge had MAJOR skills all the way around...he was an example

Chuck D to me always seemed a little off beat but the POWER in his voice made you overlook it.

In my humble opinion

it's like he lost some steam after that one
PE as a whole anyway,
but Yo! Bumrush The Show, It Takes A Nation Of Millions & Fear Of A Black Planet, I will ride for those three as one of the greatest performances of a mc, voice/delivery/technique in Hiphop history.

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He would say shit like "Hope they know my nigga Gutter fuckin kidnip kids/Fuck 'em in the ass, throw 'em over the bridge" but his charisma made it seem like a normal lyric.

Clearly he was madddd skilled technically, though.

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in this way, though Kanye has been given the chance to become more lyrical as time progresses. I really believe Kanye is the closest thing to Pac, with the level of emotion and personality that he brings to his music. Sure, they're on different wavelengths, but the feeling is there.

But Biggie? I strongly disagree. Dude was a beast. The best flow, top three storyteller, incredible voice. Even Nas was scared to get in the studio with him for the "Machine Gun Funk" remix.

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Kanye is a poor version of Tupac. I agree with your comment.

As for Biggie: see my comment above. Of course he is one of the best, thats not the angle I was coming from.

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>Even Nas was
>scared to get in the studio with him for the "Machine Gun
>Funk" remix.

Proof, please.

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He said that Big had his verse memorized when he asked him why he wasn't writing. Nas got scared and bounced, to paraphrase.

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Any way you can find a link to this interview? I'm sorry I just need something like this from the horse's mouth.

Only reason I'm so shocked is cause I know Nas was so bullshit that Ready to Die took all the awards over Illmatic that year, and I know he had the utmost confidence that he was a better MC at the time. Obviously post Biggie's death he's not gonna still be parading around talkin bout "I'm way better than Biggie was" but I'm surprised to hear that he admitted he was "scared" to get in the booth with him, at any time.

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The only reason it sticks out so much in my memory is because I was taken back by Nas's comments, too. I'm 100% certain there's a video interview where Nas talks about it, though.

The closest thing I could find were people talking about it in the comments section of this blog:

http://escobartheory.blogspot.com/2006/12/stocking-stuffers.html

But I'll keep searching.

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http://islasoul.bandcamp.com

in 2011, how do people still not know where the "suck your daddy's dick" line came from? it's been discussed in every OMG GAY LYRICZZZ post ever created on the internet.

He still said it in a rhyme/song was my point...and fans (we) were ok with it...

it's a line from richard pryor, the fucking god of standup comedy. of course everyone is okay with it. and BIG is the best rapper ever, so there's that too.

My G, I understand that. I'm talking about within the context of the song it just came out of nowhere. Also, as a high school dude, I didnt think of Richard Pryor stand-up at that time. Most of you all didnt either. Most of us were teens when Ready to Die dropped. I'm in my mid 30's now and not 17..lol

Dude was so gangsta with it, you couldn't help but fuck with him.

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"I may curse, I may have a bad mouth, whatever whatever. I'm not that bad, yaknow'mean. Bad to y'all, I dunno how y'all... I don't give a fuck. Um, I'm a good person at heart, for real and shit.

IMO...mack 10 is a top 5 corniest/weak rapper ever...never bought his thug, just embarrasingly bad in all aspecets involving a m-i-c...

Integrity is the Cornerstone of Artistry...

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OL' DIRTY BASTARD on himself:
"I may curse, I may have a bad mouth, whatever whatever. I'm not that bad, yaknow'mean. Bad to y'all, I dunno how y'all... I don't give a fuck. Um, I'm a good person at heart, for real and shit.

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of his lyrics...dude is skilled enough with the words.

he was a style all to his own, but technically he wasn't a monster or anything like that.

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almost jazz-scat way while knowing exactly where to be on the beat.

That has nothing to do with 'personality' & everything to do with him being blessed with unique vocal abilities while also taking a musician-type of approach to rap as a guy who soaks up music like a sponge plus did tons of production work.

This post is getting dumber by the minute.

Mr. Cheeks got by on personality/charisma, Q-Tip was/is a legitimately great MC/artist.

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Biggie? I'm not dissing Q-Tip, I'm just saying his technical abilities were superceded by his charm and charisma.

I'm not saying Q-Tip was like Fat Joe or U-God or something like that technically, but out of all of Tribe's catalog, I can remember lines that he said that were memorable, but not any where I was like, 'man, tip spit flames.'

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>Biggie? I'm not dissing Q-Tip, I'm just saying his technical
>abilities were superceded by his charm and charisma.
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I'm saying your definition of 'technical abilities' is so narrow it's disregarding some of the main technical aspects of rapping.

You're mistaking what some call 'lyrical' as the end-all be-all for 'technical', then substituting voice/flow/ability-to-meld-ones-voice-with-a-beat for charm/charisma or for the younger folks....swag.

That's why this post is mostly a mess already.

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but he could say anything in that voice
and i'd listen to it.

he's never said anything that had my jaw on the floor.

>but he could say anything in that voice
>and i'd listen to it.
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>he's never said anything that had my jaw on the floor.
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Lines like that made him greaaaat, that shit is dumb as hell but hilarious

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and i'm considering his *skill* and *rhyming* as separate things... ain't the best rhymes in the world, but the skill of how to use his voice and how to phrase his verses over a beat.. that shit was/is superior..

rhyme sceme-wise. Neither one had a rough or comanding voice, but it's almost as if they delibrately went against that.

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the added personality was just the extra topping

Read my comment dude on the thread.

a lot of the Ready to Die material, he was showing off. "Juicy" and basically the other singles were a bad indicator of what Biggie could really do. He could have been the only other rapper besides Snoop that could get away with anything.

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and Snoop has one of the five most classically melodic voices in the history of the genre.

Chuck D had a booming, powerful voice that grabbed your attention & he said some shit.

These guys don't really fit the category of what you're talking about in my eyes.

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then Bun suddenly got on some Usain Bolt shit and lapped him

him and Biz Markie

Cool.

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Indeed my G. You did.

I'd also agree about Snoop - he's usually in the pocket with good flow, but his actual lyrical content is way secondary to his personality and just the way he says whatever he's saying. He could do a whole song of izzle-bizzle chuuuuch and it would sound cool.

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he's easily one of my favorite rappers ever.

Dude is just fun.
I would add Smooth B, but Smooth B doesn't exist without Greg Nice.

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Snoop, Eazy E, Tupac, Chuck D all have really distinctive voices. If everything you say sounds good, can you really classify that as personality?

But I see what you're saying.

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His shtick was actually endearing back then. Outside of a handful of songs he wasn't very enjoyable on the later albums when he was actually taking himself seriously.

but not much to write home about lyrically, like at all.

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Did not you know that my styles are top-dollar?
The five-foot assassin knockin fleas off his collar
Hip-hop scholar since bein knee-high to a duck
The height of mugsy bogues, complexion of a hockey puck

over the edge and scoots him up that all-time list (imo)... so i know that doesn't really answer the original question, but still.. because dude's style is kinda hard to latch on to (for some), i'd imagine his personality carries him a long way w/ some ppl.. also, i think his personality is intertwined w/ his diction and rhyme style.. it's crazy how he can be sloppy, sharp, non sequitur, detailed silly and dead serious all at the same time... Ghostface has rare ability

- Cormega
- Too $hort (his game, personality, and old school style make you forget he's been doin the same flow and rhyme scheme since the mid to late 80's)
- The Jacka from Mob Figgaz (west coast Cormega)
- Lil B (hated on him for the longest, but his persona won me over)
- Biz Markie (dope emcee skills, but not a lyricist..)
- Phife Dawg (had a good feel for the music, a unique voice, and knew how to put together songs.. but limited with his rappin skills)
- BFAP/Sunspot Jonz (really choppy awkward flow and off tune sing songy raps, but 100% emotion reminiscent of Pac at his finest.. especially on the old underground Mystik Journeymen tapes).
- I love ODB and think his emcee skills are great/hype, but yeah.. definitely an acquired taste.. What sold me on him was the back&forth spittin' w/the RZA on "Cuttin' Headz"




White Bronco.

That nigga choppy as hell! but I always felt where he was comin from. He'll make you feel where he was coming from.

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I mean, let's be honest. He never was that good, but something about the way he approached rhyming. Even after The War Report where I heard Tragedy was writing for him, he was still making bangers all the way up til Melvyn Flynt. Even God's favorite had some aight songs.

He raps like nursery rhymes, but emphasizes the punchline so hard folks don't realize its corny.

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dude was POO POO

his beats weren't though

>dude was POO POO
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>his beats weren't though

Jealous Ones Envy was a tremendous step up lyrically.

Shit, I *like* the persona though, for what it's worth.

I'd always take his music over dudes like 50.

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