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stylez dainty
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"Any artists you HONESTLY suspect are just F**KING with us?"


  

          

I was reading a story with the familiar trope of someone purposefully just recording a bunch of gibberish with no meaning and immediately being hailed as avant garde genius. Ha ha, jokes on the listener! That sort of thing.

It made me think really hard if there was anyone that I thought actually did that. I have to admit I was stumped. (I generally am skeptical of that view point anyway.)

But lots of people listen to Free Jazz or some Modern Classical and honestly seem to think the artist is playing a joke on us. I even read that recently about Satie!

I've heard things about Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music, but I've never heard it. And while I know it's not generally espoused in the Lesson, I've heard the same rumor about Here My Dear.

Also have heard that supposedly Aphex Twin plays jokes on the listener with songs that are meant to be bad. Skeptical of that too.

But who do you think really is playing a trick on the listener--knowingly faking it and hoping the critics/listeners fall for it?

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Lennon did it.
Jul 11th 2011
1
Lennon: Solo or Beatles stuff?
Jul 11th 2011
10
Are you talking about "Glass Onion"?
Jul 11th 2011
23
      'I Am the Walrus', specifically.
Jul 11th 2011
38
           he basically said
Oct 03rd 2011
46
                RE: 'Here's another clue for you all. . .'
Oct 16th 2011
77
Kellz w/Trapped In The Closet.
Jul 11th 2011
2
I think Lil B is sincere.
Jul 11th 2011
4
yep @ kellz
Jul 11th 2011
18
I don't get how ppl can actually think R Kelly was being serious
Jul 11th 2011
20
If this is right, then I don't think it qualifies for this post
Jul 11th 2011
27
I don't think it qualifies for this post either
Jul 11th 2011
32
      after the first 12 'episodes', i didn't know.
Jul 11th 2011
39
bcuz hes a functional illiterate who taped himself peeing on pubescents?
Oct 03rd 2011
44
I knew it with Feeling On Your Booty...
Oct 03rd 2011
48
Divine Styler "Spiral Walls..."
Jul 11th 2011
3
That was more him fucking with the record company though...
Jul 11th 2011
5
But he's pretty weird
Jul 11th 2011
6
haha i love that album (n/t)
Jul 11th 2011
33
Dudley Perkins' "Flowers"
Jul 11th 2011
7
See reply #6
Jul 11th 2011
8
Classic
Jul 11th 2011
9
nope. n/m
Jul 11th 2011
31
PB Wolf called it a joke song that people took seriously...
Jul 11th 2011
34
I didn't persay take him serious...
Oct 03rd 2011
49
& even though, the flowers bloom...
Oct 04th 2011
65
But Think About It, It's Madlib & Declaime Were Talking About..
Oct 16th 2011
74
MF Doom
Jul 11th 2011
11
Definitely agree on the live performance controversy.
Jul 11th 2011
13
      I don't think the live performance thing started out that way
Jul 11th 2011
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           That's why I don't like him anymore...
Oct 03rd 2011
45
           I didn't know about the Health. But still, I say fuck him for RTB 11 L.A...
Oct 04th 2011
66
What I'm more inclined to believe:
Jul 11th 2011
12
Yuuuuuupppp...
Oct 03rd 2011
50
In the last 5-10 years, Weezer
Jul 11th 2011
14
Ohhh... good one.
Jul 11th 2011
21
I doubt it
Jul 11th 2011
24
the truth is Weezer's greatness was greatly exagerrated to begin with
Oct 03rd 2011
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      It's not that it was exaggerated.
Oct 04th 2011
70
Raditude was Meh
Oct 03rd 2011
40
came in here to say this
Oct 04th 2011
67
will.i.am n/m
Jul 11th 2011
15
co-sign
Oct 03rd 2011
55
RE: Any artists you HONESTLY suspect are just F**KING with us?
Jul 11th 2011
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RE: Any artists you HONESTLY suspect are just F**KING with us?
Jul 11th 2011
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Satie?????
Jul 11th 2011
19
From an iTunes reviewer:
Jul 11th 2011
26
Absolutely
Oct 04th 2011
64
Turquoise Jeep n/m
Jul 11th 2011
25
I don't think Metal Machine Music is a joke
Jul 11th 2011
28
What was the final opinion on Nas' "Who Killed It?"
Jul 11th 2011
29
you know what?
Oct 03rd 2011
54
RE: Any artists you HONESTLY suspect are just F**KING with us?
Jul 11th 2011
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RE: Any artists you HONESTLY suspect are just F**KING with us?
Oct 03rd 2011
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      I actually got into an argument/scolding w/ her about this
Oct 04th 2011
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my take
Jul 11th 2011
35
Nobody here is talking about taking chances
Jul 11th 2011
36
Bob Dylan's Self Portrait has been tagged as such
Jul 11th 2011
37
yup, the single didnt even have him singin on it & features one repeated
Oct 03rd 2011
42
Fitty Cent
Oct 03rd 2011
43
Eminem. Not Afraid? Come on man.
Oct 03rd 2011
47
I was actually gonna say him...
Oct 03rd 2011
52
Joke was on Royce on that Bad Ass Clown album, or whatever its called
Oct 04th 2011
63
a much better example:
Oct 04th 2011
69
RE: Any artists you HONESTLY suspect are just F**KING with us?
Oct 03rd 2011
53
Lou Reed must have had some kind of clause in his contract....
Oct 03rd 2011
56
Madlib at times
Oct 04th 2011
57
Came to say this
Oct 04th 2011
58
Of course you link my favorite Madlib remix
Oct 04th 2011
59
seriously?
Oct 04th 2011
60
      Well maybe not favorite...
Oct 04th 2011
61
I fucking love this Madlib remix. Ppl think this is wack?
Oct 11th 2011
73
lol... Madlib man... he is almost Zappa-esque with his
Oct 04th 2011
62
the jar is under the bed!
Oct 09th 2011
71
Madlib As Quasimoto For Sure
Oct 16th 2011
75
JAY ELECTRONICA.
Oct 11th 2011
72
Jay and Kanye doo it all the time...
Oct 16th 2011
76

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1. "Lennon did it."
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i suspected R. Kelly was doing it w/Trapped in the Closet and 'Thoia Thong' and others.

fuck you.

  

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10. "Lennon: Solo or Beatles stuff?"
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Man, R. Kelly I have no idea. It's hard to figure out where his head is at. He definitely knows he's having fun and not taking everything super seriously, but doesn't seem like he'd actually put out music he didn't think was good on some level.

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23. "Are you talking about "Glass Onion"?"
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38. "'I Am the Walrus', specifically."
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he said in some interview that the song really wasn't about anything and he scoffed/laughed at those who dug for meaning in it. then he said he'd written other songs like that, but i'm not sure which he named, if any.

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46. "he basically said"
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that he decided to write I Am The Walrus because everyone was digging for meaning in EVERY song they recorded.

So he basically I Am The Walrus and said something like "let the fuckers figure that one out"

Which is funny, because the meaning that a few people came up with from that song actually makes sense.

How it was about Paul being the Walrus and leading the Beatles to mislead the public with silly pop music etc.

Not sure if I totally buy it, but it is an interesting theory.

  

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77. "RE: 'Here's another clue for you all. . .'"
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'. . .the Walrus was Paul.'

Confusing.

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2. "Kellz w/Trapped In The Closet."
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Lil B with damn near everything he's released.
Trolled everyone with the "I'm Gay" album title, and it's damn near the best music he's ever released.

  

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4. "I think Lil B is sincere."
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Do I think he puts his blood sweat and tears into writing his rhymes? No. But I think he just freestyles what he's thinking because that's the approach he's feeling right now. Maybe he also likes how little preparation it entails, but I think he is partaking of the Kool aid, in addition to administering it.

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18. "yep @ kellz"
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that fool made a song w/big tigger telling girls to move their body like a snake. that was clearly a joke he was playing on his audience.

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20. "I don't get how ppl can actually think R Kelly was being serious"
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with Trapped in the Closet. It was suppose to intentionally be a comedy (Not in a it's so bad it's good way), he's talked about it in interviews ( http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2007/11/r_kelly_answers_our_questions.html ) and really I can't see anything that would lead me to think it was serious (The old man he plays, midget lovers, him constantly just showing up smoking and winking in the camera).

  

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27. "If this is right, then I don't think it qualifies for this post"
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It was suppose to intentionally
>be a comedy (Not in a it's so bad it's good way),

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32. "I don't think it qualifies for this post either"
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But like Post #1 proves ("I suspected R. Kelly was doing it w/Trapped in the Closet") some ppl for whatever reason still unsure so I guess it'll be mentioned.

  

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39. "after the first 12 'episodes', i didn't know."
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it was increasingly clear after that, as the absurdity heightened.

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44. "bcuz hes a functional illiterate who taped himself peeing on pubescents?"
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I don't know, that's just one guess as to why maybe the general public doesn't automatically think being 'ironical' is a major aim of his art.

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48. "I knew it with Feeling On Your Booty..."
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At the end of the song, you hear him laugh. And, it wasn't some kind of fake, I'm enjoying myself immensely type of laughs. It was one of those sinister, "Look how mufuckas gonna eat this dumb shit up" type of laughs.

He knows what he's doing, illiterate or not, because, as he proved with his latest album, he can turn that shit off when he wants to.

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

  

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3. "Divine Styler "Spiral Walls...""
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5. "That was more him fucking with the record company though..."
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...like, "Fuck it, let's see if they actually release this shit."

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6. "But he's pretty weird"
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You don't think he thought he was onto some other shit with that album?

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33. "haha i love that album (n/t)"
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7. "Dudley Perkins' "Flowers""
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8. "See reply #6"
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9. "Classic"
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34. "PB Wolf called it a joke song that people took seriously..."
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...in the liner notes of the Stones Throw 45s Compilation that came out back in '02 or so.

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49. "I didn't persay take him serious..."
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But, there was no denying that beat, which is what I think pulled most people in. I couldn't tell you one thing Dudley says on that song other than flowers.

And, him and Mad were actually able to stretch a whole album (a pretty good one at that) out of that concept. Problem was, by the second album, the gig was up.

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

  

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65. "& even though, the flowers bloom..."
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(and birds sing sweeter
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74. "But Think About It, It's Madlib & Declaime Were Talking About.."
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...those two kats don't take things seriously on a certain level other than Madlib making dope beats & Declaime riding those beats very well, but both of them knew that Declaime singing was a joke to begin with, just like when Madlib was just playing around with his voice for Quasimoto character he made up.


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11. "MF Doom"
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Not on his albums...but just in general

  

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13. "Definitely agree on the live performance controversy."
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I don't think he's trying to make an artistic point. I think he thought "here's a way I can make money without having to do anything and *crosses fingers* maybe, just maybe, it will feed into my mystique."

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16. "I don't think the live performance thing started out that way"
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A few years ago, he did start cancelling shows due to what seemed to be health issues that put him out of action (there was a brief period of "DOOM is dead!" rumors floating around). That lead to him re-scheduling all the concerts, and then for whatever reason (persistent health issues or just lack of desire to go out on the road), I'm guessing he just said, "Fuck it, it's just me wearing a mask up there, I can get someone else to do it." Which lead to him sending out other people wearing the mask, which lead to the outrage, which I'm guessing lead to him creating this whole idea of "Doompostas."

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45. "That's why I don't like him anymore..."
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He's a good rapper, sure, but not performing like that is just bitchmade.

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66. "I didn't know about the Health. But still, I say fuck him for RTB 11 L.A..."
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Mainly because I was stuck up there as the DJ trying to keep that hostile crowd calm while they realized after 20 minutes that he was not about to show up. I hear that he released a press statement the day before saying he wasn't showing, but nobody at the stage was contacted or had any idea...so Murs didn't know to tell the crowd until like 20 minutes after he was supposed to start...we all just knew he wasn't backstage at all. I was hoping he would have at least let somebody come out in a mask

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12. "What I'm more inclined to believe:"
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You can never overestimate the levels of self-delusions artists can reach, especially if it involves convincing one's self that plain old laziness is actually an act of artistic audacity.

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50. "Yuuuuuupppp..."
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>You can never overestimate the levels of self-delusions
>artists can reach, especially if it involves convincing one's
>self that plain old laziness is actually an act of artistic
>audacity.

In my best Lana (from Archer) impersonation.

I really do think that some folks get to a point where they think they can shit on wax and it'll be hot.

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

  

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14. "In the last 5-10 years, Weezer"
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21. "Ohhh... good one."
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24. "I doubt it"
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It's just Rivers' bread and butter was writing song about being an awkward teen/early 20's person and now he's so far removed from that he just comes off as corny.

  

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41. "the truth is Weezer's greatness was greatly exagerrated to begin with"
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>It's just Rivers' bread and butter was writing song about
>being an awkward teen/early 20's person and now he's so far
>removed from that he just comes off as corny.

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70. "It's not that it was exaggerated."
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it's that it meant something. It was earnest and genuine, and people related to it, specifically Pinkerton. But River's, after it's failure, has resorted to taking himself out of his song writing and has instead become nothing more than a jingle writer. It's not that those songs are an apex in song writing. It's that he was writing with emotion, instead of "Your Slayer tshirt fit the scene just right..." or whatever the fuck that bullshit line is.

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40. "Raditude was Meh"
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Red Album (Deluxe) was FIRE

Hurley was a solid 7 out of 10

Death To False Metal was Pretty good for a collection of old, unreleased material.

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
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67. "came in here to say this"
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More specifically, Green album + Maladroit era.

Unfortunately, I do think that everything afterwards has been serious, just not very good.

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15. "will.i.am n/m"
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phemom's the name, all-star writer/
searching 4 journalistic fame, mindframe igniter....www.twitter.com/hayabusaage

  

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55. "co-sign"
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from http://www.avclub.com/articles/volume-34-june-2010,56486/

>“OMG” feels unmistakably like an endgame. In keeping with Will.iam’s
>mission to destroy/subvert pop music from within, it is the product of
>two men mad with the furtive knowledge that the public will embrace
>anything they release, no matter how transparently ridiculous and
>insulting it might be. And releasing a single called “OMG” with
>Will.i.am is as insulting and ridiculous as you can get.

>

>Usher and Will.i.am broadcast their contempt for everyone and
>everything with their dispirited delivery of couplets like “Honey got
>a booty like pow pow pow / Honey’s got some boobies like wow oh wow.”
>These are grown men that wrote that song, men with families and homes
>and mortgages, men who command respect in their communities through
>virtue of their money and power alone. These professional musicians
>have a powerful forum to communicate their ideas. Instead, they chose
>to write the lyric “Honey got some boobies like wow oh wow.”

  

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17. "RE: Any artists you HONESTLY suspect are just F**KING with us?"
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album where avey tare had the whole thing play in reverse

'everybody's rockin'' pisstake album, but that joke wasn't on the fans or critics


>Also have heard that supposedly Aphex Twin plays jokes on the
>listener with songs that are meant to be bad. Skeptical of
>that too.

check "aphex airlines"

rumor:

"Richard was commissioned by Virgin Airlines to write a song for a television commercial, and he came up with the track Aphex Airlines. According to him, the song is supposed to represent how a jet engine feels at take off. Not surprisingly, the Virgin people didn't feel that the song would be very appropriate, they thought it would make people think of airplane crashes."

in fact, this appears on a compilation released by virgin records, so the rest might be embellishment

  

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22. "RE: Any artists you HONESTLY suspect are just F**KING with us?"
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Just listened. I'd be more inclined that he is messing with us by making up that backstory than him actually messing with the airline. Or it's just some random piece of invented mythology that someone came up with and came to be accepted as true.

>check "aphex airlines"
>
>rumor:
>
>"Richard was commissioned by Virgin Airlines to write a song
>for a television commercial, and he came up with the track
>Aphex Airlines. According to him, the song is supposed to
>represent how a jet engine feels at take off. Not
>surprisingly, the Virgin people didn't feel that the song
>would be very appropriate, they thought it would make people
>think of airplane crashes."
>
>in fact, this appears on a compilation released by virgin
>records, so the rest might be embellishment

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19. "Satie?????"
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26. "From an iTunes reviewer:"
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"Satie was a sort of trickster composer for whom the joke is entirely on us."

Maybe just one person's crazy opinion, but it sounds to me like he's probably parroting something he heard elsewhere. I don't know, maybe to a diehard Mozart fan, it does sound like a joke. "He's not even using both hands!" Who knows.

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64. "Absolutely"
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Have you ever looked at one of his actual scores? He left notes for players like "play this song while thinking about seahorses" and other random ass bullshit. He was the inspiration for John Cage who composed 4'33", the ultimate musical practical joke. So, yeah, he's definitely a joke composer.

  

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25. "Turquoise Jeep n/m"
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28. "I don't think Metal Machine Music is a joke"
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Lou tried to say it was a screw you to his record company but it's not like Lou wasn't involved with avant garde stuff before (The first 2 albums have tons of feedback) and after the record. Plus I doubt he'd preform it live recently if he did it as a joke, not to mention release a live album version of it. It's experimental and not meant to be a perfect record but definitely was serious, the numerous amount of musicians/artists that call it an influence I think prove that.

  

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29. "What was the final opinion on Nas' "Who Killed It?""
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I would say a joke but the raps are actually pretty good.

  

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54. "you know what?"
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I feel like he thought he was channeling Slick Rick and the like, and thought it was fresh and creative in that respect...but there's no telling whether or not he realized at the time that MOST things that get praised about "golden age" rap are label as pretentious, self-indulgent, etc. if done in a modern context.

  

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30. "RE: Any artists you HONESTLY suspect are just F**KING with us?"
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Badu...constantly holding back on vocals in studio, relying on her "style" of expressing herself and sometimes delivering lazy vocals live ...she's great but if she cleared away the anchors she could really sail.

  

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51. "RE: Any artists you HONESTLY suspect are just F**KING with us?"
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>Badu...constantly holding back on vocals in studio, relying
>on her "style" of expressing herself and sometimes delivering
>lazy vocals live ...she's great but if she cleared away the
>anchors she could really sail.

Definitely her last album was a joke. I don't give a fuck who wants to call it "artistic". That shit just sounds like "lazy ass mofucka trying to trick me out of my money" music.

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

  

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68. "I actually got into an argument/scolding w/ her about this"
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I'm not inclined to think that she's fucking with her fans, just where she's at.

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35. "my take"
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Here's my take - i think most of the artists these days with songs on the charts are ripping us off. i honestly think an artist going avante garde and trying to emotionally construct music outside of the standard format is more interesting than 90% of the hits of the day.

Who's to say if that artist is serious or not? Trying something different is much more difficult than doing the same old same old. Buying a beat from the most commercial producer you can afford is easier than constructing something new from inside of you.

So I think the more hit record sales, the more the artist is getting over on us. Faking. Going the easy route. Real artists hit real hard, and usually swing in several directions at one. Bouncing and cooing and bragging is not art, it's tease.


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36. "Nobody here is talking about taking chances"
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They're talking about songs that weren't suppose to be serious but were taken or released as such. What that has to do with commercial vs. avant garde is beyond me.

  

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37. "Bob Dylan's Self Portrait has been tagged as such"
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Bob more or less has said things to support it.

  

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42. "yup, the single didnt even have him singin on it & features one repeated"
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refrain for three straight minutes, yet somehow still manages to be a good song.

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43. "Fitty Cent"
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He isn't even coy about it, his lil shit-eating grin says it all.

  

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47. "Eminem. Not Afraid? Come on man."
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52. "I was actually gonna say him..."
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And, I'll even go further than just Not Afraid but the entirety of his last two albums. Even down to his flows.

It really think he said to Dre, "Check this out, I'm a make the worst music I ever have. Shit, I'm a even rap all off beat. But, watch, these suckas are still gonna eat it up. All because I'm the great white hope."

It has to be. This is the same dude that did Any Man, Lose Yourself, Stomp and the entire Marshall Mathers LP. He has to know this shit is wack. I mean, he had Just Blaze sample What Is Love. What is love?!

It all has to be a joke...

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

  

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63. "Joke was on Royce on that Bad Ass Clown album, or whatever its called"
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69. "a much better example:"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU6AQIuf-go

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53. "RE: Any artists you HONESTLY suspect are just F**KING with us?"
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Not quite the same as it wasn't directed at the listener, but the closest thing I could think of was the van morrison bang records contractual obligation stuff, "ring worm," etc., which at least is an authentic example of an artist intentionally recording gibberish:

"Ring Worm"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLRfksG2ZqU

"You Say France and I'll Whistle"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gwq5PNe-ou8

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56. "Lou Reed must have had some kind of clause in his contract...."
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...that allowed him to release any damn thing he wanted. I don't see how MMM wasn't thrown back in his face after he submitted it. I really, really can't see how they (the label)even decided to press it up and release it after hearing all of that noise.






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57. "Madlib at times"
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There's the "I KNOW this beat is dope.......so I'ma let it ride for :15 seconds then cut it off".

OR "this beat is dope so I'ma put some silly dialogue over it so you can't really vibe to it".

OR "ok ok, I let the beat/song ride for a few minutes so now I'ma give you a 3 minute skit".

OR "I'ma give you a dope beat......with no talking over it....AND I'll even let it ride for a minute or two, BUT I'ma eff up the mix so bad to see how much you really love raw, grimey, lo-fi hip-hop".

OR "alright, I know you've heard this beat before on a previous album.......and on a previous Stones Throw podcast.....and on a BBC mix show......and on another mix...but I'ma give it to you just one. more. time".






Still my favorite artist of this past decade but I believe him, PB Wolf, and company do like to play around with people.

__
I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers.(c)Kno

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58. "Came to say this"
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Also, sometimes there's just the "is he serious with this one?"

e.g.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=MERftryvPMg

  

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59. "Of course you link my favorite Madlib remix"
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60. "seriously?"
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Am I missing something?

  

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61. "Well maybe not favorite..."
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But enough that I put it on a recent mix I made for myself.

I mean, I like degraded left-field electronic music, so I wouldn't expect everyone to like it.
But I can definitely see how Madlib would have thought that was cool (instead of saying Ha I'm going to prove these fools will listen to anything with my name on it).

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73. "I fucking love this Madlib remix. Ppl think this is wack?"
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>Also, sometimes there's just the "is he serious with this
>one?"
>
>e.g.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=MERftryvPMg

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62. "lol... Madlib man... he is almost Zappa-esque with his"
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I know DarkStar (who used to post here) made that comparison

  

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howisya
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71. "the jar is under the bed!"
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Dj Joey Joe
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75. "Madlib As Quasimoto For Sure"
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Infact Madlib said plenty of times before that Lord Quas was just him fucking around with his voice over some random beats, and never expected for Wildchild or PPW to think that others would take it seriously; but us listeners like it (well I do anyways).

Even after compiling and releasing "Unseen" he still didn't think it would do the numbers that it got or be as popular as it is for something that he wasn't even thinking about releasing at one point, I'm glad PPW thought it would be worth the time and effort to release that album cause it's Madlib's best album to date...still.


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& your fool ass is cruising around in a time machine
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72. "JAY ELECTRONICA."
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76. "Jay and Kanye doo it all the time..."
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...let's NOT act at least half of WTT was some bullshit them boys just threw together to see what would happen...same goes for their last two albums...

..i'd say Wayne does it, of course Kells does it, Puff does it, Em does it (not as much tho..he just keeps doin his "schtick" until people get tired of it, which at this point, will be never) , Snoop does it....

"yes, sometimes my rhymes are sexist, but you lovely bitches and hos should know i'm tryin to correct it"- hiphopopotamus

  

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