1. "I already know I'm in the minority, but Jewelz went harder" In response to Reply # 0
to me.
O.C. never really had any personality to me. He was just a great spitter. I remember him & Ras had that joint on the 1st Lyricist Lounge and it was good, but just kinda there...
3. "C. rarely comes up in talks of the "greatest MC of all-time" because" In response to Reply # 0
he isn't.
He has a handful fantastic songs and alot of filler. His "greatness" was greatly exaggerated around here during the mid-00s panic. People were in such a panic about the South that they started pretending O.C. and a few other MCs were better than they actually were/are.
10. "what are you talking about?" In response to Reply # 3
>he isn't. > >He has a handful fantastic songs and alot of filler. His >"greatness" was greatly exaggerated around here during the >mid-00s panic. People were in such a panic about the South >that they started pretending O.C. and a few other MCs were >better than they actually were/are. > >
no one was talking about OC in the mid 00s.
and I wouldn't say his greatness is exaggerated at all. what other MC has 2 classic albums that gets a dumb ass response like the one you just gave?
13. "RE: what are you talking about?" In response to Reply # 10
He doesn't have two classics. He has to good albums. Every 90's east coast album is a classic to you guys around here. A classic isn't that common. They're few and far between. They change the game in some way and none of his albums did that. I've seen close to a hundred albums name dropped as classic around here. Pure craziness!
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53. "If you don't give a fuck about others' opinions, why start polls?" In response to Reply # 29
>could give a fuck what you think honestly. > >I do agree the word gets thrown around a lot here, but those >two albums are special hip-hop gems and get over-looked.
Since the mid-00s, it seems like there's an annual "O.C. is a GOAT" post on the Lesson. It always ends with the poster looking foolish. O.C. is a singles artist plain and simple. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
>>he isn't. >> >>He has a handful fantastic songs and alot of filler. His >>"greatness" was greatly exaggerated around here during the >>mid-00s panic. People were in such a panic about the South >>that they started pretending O.C. and a few other MCs were >>better than they actually were/are. >> >> > > >no one was talking about OC in the mid 00s. > >and I wouldn't say his greatness is exaggerated at all. what >other MC has 2 classic albums that gets a dumb ass response >like the one you just gave? > >
24. "you continue to make no sense" In response to Reply # 20
>Since the mid-00s, it seems like there's an annual "O.C. is a >GOAT" post on the Lesson. It always ends with the poster >looking foolish. O.C. is a singles artist plain and simple. >Sorry if that hurts your feelings. >
So OC is a "singles" artist now?
what single did he have that was big?
OC is an album artists and his first two are better than most.
and I have yet to see any of these 00's posts you speak of.
44. "You continue to need a Midol" In response to Reply # 24 Fri Jul-08-11 04:08 AM by mrshow
I'd say do a search for those posts but I highly doubt they were archived by the mods as O.C. is a fairly negligible MC in the grand scheme of things.
Born 2 Live and Word...Life were singles. How they charted doesn't matter. They're the high points of O.C.'s recording career. Being a "singles artist" means an artist who is better at making individual songs than actual albums. You're welcome for clearing that up for you.
52. "Better make that three Midol" In response to Reply # 49 Fri Jul-08-11 07:26 AM by mrshow
>because it has always meant an artist who releases great >singles and then their albums suck.
No, it means an artist whose singles are better than their albums. OC's full-lengths just aren't that great. A GOAT MC usually releases great albums, not pretty good ones. Im also not sure where I said OC sucks. Please show me where I did.
>wouldn't and couldn't classify OC as that by any means and I'm >sure even the people who don't feel his albums are classics >would agree with you. > >which is why I'm the only dumb ass responding to you.
No, you're responding to me because I've only responded to you specifically. It also could be that nobody on this board feels as passionately about a thoroughly OK (no Organized Konfusion) as you do. And, in regards to you being a dumb ass, those are YOUR words, not mine.
>OC's first two album you can play ALL the way through and that >has been state by many people in this post. > >if you don't like him…cool. > >this post ain't for you. > >if you don't like him as much as everyone else and want to >discuss like Block then cool as well. > >but you're up in making no sense.
No, I'm not agreeing with you. That doesn't mean that I'm not making sense. If you're getting this bent out of shape over a good rapper, I'd hate to see the mess you'd make in your panties over an ACTUALLY great one.
sure he can rap great songs? besides times up? no he has some cool songs first lp was cool a little too jazzy he isn't exciting his guest appearances on freestyles and with ok were more exciting than his lp he always came off too technical sounding meaning, he was over people's heads in tryin' to relate while the other mcs you want to compare him to made it more simpler and easier to relate his life wasn't exciting wasn't much about him that made you want to know him he didn't have much personality to go with his raps i say personality, but maybe it's some other nontangible quantity that completes the whole package nice fellow in person though
better than many MCs btw >great songs? besides times up? no
Born 2 Live is great. My World is great. Jewelz is great. I could list more but I know "great" to you means that it had to have an impact and others would have to co-sign it.
>he has some cool songs >first lp was cool >a little too jazzy
I can see that, if you don't like "jazzy" hip-hop. I think it fit his style nicely though.
>he isn't exciting >his guest appearances on freestyles and with ok >were more exciting than his lp
I'm not sure what it means for an MC to be exciting. MOP exciting? I don't really get "excited" by listening to most hip-hop.
>he always came off too technical sounding >meaning, he was over people's heads >in tryin' to relate >while the other mcs you want to compare him to >made it more simpler and easier to relate
Raekwon made it more simple to relate? all he did was talk about a drug life in code that no one to this day knows is real or fake. this statement troubles me, because as a normal human being, and I'm assuming you're one as well, I can relate to OC's honestness and everyday topics more than I can most MCs. definitely more than I can either Snoop or Raekwon. I'm pretty sure you can relate more to what OC talks about than you can Jay-Z when he's on another one of his "I'm a multi-millionaire" flows.
>his life wasn't exciting >wasn't much about him that made you want to >know him
I don't agree with this. again, I don't listen to music in the same sense I watch an action flick so I'm not sure why it needs to be exciting.
>he didn't have much personality to go with his raps >i say personality, but maybe it's some other nontangible >quantity that completes the whole package
I can agree with that. He's not Busta on the mic but that's not his thing.
>nice fellow in person though >
I only saw him perform once with AG. they did Soul Clap, Time's Up and a new joint off the Oasis album and then bounced. They had a long list of acts coming out so I guess they didn't have much time but I would've liked to see more. Lost Boyz and Naughty By Nature did like 8-10 songs each at the same event.
37. "sorry to hear this. i still do" In response to Reply # 11
>I'm not sure what it means for an MC to be exciting. MOP >exciting? I don't really get "excited" by listening to most >hip-hop. > tsk tsk.
>Raekwon made it more simple to relate? all he did was talk >about a drug life in code that no one to this day knows is >real or fake. this statement troubles me, because as a normal >human being, and I'm assuming you're one as well, I can relate >to OC's honestness and everyday topics more than I can most >MCs. definitely more than I can either Snoop or Raekwon. I'm >pretty sure you can relate more to what OC talks about than >you can Jay-Z when he's on another one of his "I'm a >multi-millionaire" flows.
when i say relate, i mean make his message easy to relate to. rap is escapism. just like people relate to certain fantasy elements in movies, same with music. i ain't got to be a drug dealer to relate tosome of the ethos portrayed. i live life, i don't really dig these, "honest" rappers like blu and the like. they're cool, but not my cup of tea. oc got some good songs, but overall, he's boring compared to more exciting and charismatic mcs out there
> >>nice fellow in person though >> he used to hang out in the clubs and was cool to be around. that's all that means >
47. "Cosign just about everything" In response to Reply # 5
O.C. is a good NY MC who comes from a time period when NY has alot of GREAT MCs. Dude is fine. I can't fault anyone bumping his early work but dude just isn't that engaging. He had a few great songs in him and that's it. He's way better than Termanology will ever be at least.
>sure he can rap >great songs? besides times up? no >he has some cool songs >first lp was cool >a little too jazzy >he isn't exciting >his guest appearances on freestyles and with ok >were more exciting than his lp >he always came off too technical sounding >meaning, he was over people's heads >in tryin' to relate >while the other mcs you want to compare him to >made it more simpler and easier to relate >his life wasn't exciting >wasn't much about him that made you want to >know him >he didn't have much personality to go with his raps >i say personality, but maybe it's some other nontangible >quantity that completes the whole package >nice fellow in person though >
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6. ""Jewelz" Gets My Vote" In response to Reply # 0 Wed Jul-06-11 12:05 AM by Dj Joey Joe
When O.C.'s second album dropped I thought he would never be able to top his first but he came full force with it on "Jewelz", this album stays in my monthly rotation, the only thing that could've made this album even better is if he added "Your Life" (which was on the "Soul In The Hole" soundtrack) at the end of the album.
I'm a fan of almost every DITC member, and when it comes to rappers who do a good job of representing DITC O.C. was always second to Big L. for me and AG coming in third, I'm still mad at OC & AG's collabo album "Oasis" which didn't have enough Showbiz production on it, that was just wrong but it was still a decent album but it could've been much better if Showbiz did ALL the beats .
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30. "people may call me crazy but" In response to Reply # 6 Wed Jul-06-11 09:08 PM by Anonymous
the only >thing that could've made this album even better is if he added >"Your Life" (which was on the "Soul In The Hole" soundtrack) >at the end of the album. >
I would've switched out Win The G for Your Life.
I like the 15 track length and I like Jewelz at the end.
Reason why I say Win The G is because I feel it slows up the album and doesn't fit in.
As far as stripped down hip-hop joints, I prefer It's Only Right.
Also, as far as collabos, MUG is something special and Foxx is good with just one spot in my opinion.
Also, the track concept was a bit of a novelty and after a while gets old to me especially with the interlude before it.
I think Your Life would've been the perfect joint in that spot.
Your Life is just like In Due Time to me. I can't believe those cuts didn't make the album.
(it's almost like he's Bob Dylan the rapper — fucking hell, it's good)
I couldn't place my finger on it at the time, and I still have yet to completely reconcile with it, but Jewelz has a sort of earnestness to it that completely transcends most hip hop albums. It's not necessarily "introspective" (there's far too much posturing for that), but it has a sense of self-awareness and a sort of apprehensive showman aspect to it that is just appealing to me.
I really like Word. . .Life too but Jewelz, in retrospect, just seems like an absolutely perfect capture of everything I love about the music.
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9. "OC is highly adept at talking about himself without boasting" In response to Reply # 0
which he does a lot of, but he's pretty candid with himself and the way he sees things and it translates to the music because he actually bases it off this viewpoint that's what makes those two albums stand out to me I think Jewelz might be a bit better than Word...Life, but not by much
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14. "on the strength of the albums themselves" In response to Reply # 0
gotta go with jewelz but word...life doesn't exist in as much of a bubble as jewelz does - word was a much more influential record in terms of the next gen of rappers that were coming up and listening to O at the time, whereas jewelz is just a great fucking album.
15. "If he had dropped a good album in the '00s...." In response to Reply # 0
he would have defn been in the discussion (not as GOAT, but just in a discussion of great artists)
He got caught up in the bullshit that New York "rap music" was turning into, and we all know what happens to rappers who go against the grain in that regard.
22. "I remember i got a free copy of the physical album" In response to Reply # 18
Apparently a MJ sample wasnt cleared and the record company had received a cease and desist order, so they was giving away left over copies. i got one after sending them a email.
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just b/c it feels more classic but truth be told I probably played Jewelz more and always appreciated that record's maturity. OC was one of my favorites and would probably have a spot locked down in my own personal Top 10 of all time. And yes, Starchild was a lost gem.
23. "Nobody else will agree with me on this BUT" In response to Reply # 0
"The Crow" should've ended after the first verse and the beat should've rode out. Track should've been short, like a 2:30 joint. It would've been more epic. Its still a classic hiphop track.
39. "I really can't fathom Jewelz over Reasonable Doubt but to each their own" In response to Reply # 38
but from a production, rapping, or songcraft standpoint Reasonable Doubt is more on a Ready To Die level than Jewelz which is like a 3.5 out of 5 star album to me at best.
I mean the production lineup on paper for Jewelz looks ridiculous but it doesn't feel like he got any of their top shelf material & the sound actually gets borderline monotonous after awhile.
Lots of sparse beats but OC doesn't quite have the charisma of say a Nas or Eminem to make those tracks work just off rapping alone.
There's no 'Time's Up' level iconic cut on here, which I guess is to be expected since that's a classic single not just by O.C. but for mid-90's rap in general however I wish I loved this as an overall album more than I do.
It's a pretty good album but certainly not great to me, coulda used some editing or more variation in tone.
When Freddie Foxxx shows up on here it's a Godsend because it sorta breaks up the singleness of style that this album seems to at times suffer from.
40. "RE: I really can't fathom Jewelz over Reasonable Doubt but to each their..." In response to Reply # 39
>but from a production, rapping, or songcraft standpoint >Reasonable Doubt is more on a Ready To Die level than Jewelz >which is like a 3.5 out of 5 star album to me at best. >
I prefer production on Jewelz. 3.5 is way too low. That album is a solid 4/4.5 in my book. Reasonable Doubt was never on the level of those other mid-90s classic in my opinion, although Ready To Die is a bit overrated in my opinion as well.
>I mean the production lineup on paper for Jewelz looks >ridiculous but it doesn't feel like he got any of their top >shelf material & the sound actually gets borderline monotonous >after awhile. >
I'm not sure what you're hearing. The album is a blueprint in my mind of how to craft albums. it opens with a Primo banger…into another Primo banger…slows down a bit…classic smooth joint in The Chosen One…picks up the pace with Dangerous…uncut raw shit…single/radio friendly hip-hop joint…smooth story love joint…another hard Primo banger…storytelling joint…up-tempo feel good vibe song…haunting story joint…pure raw hip-hop joint…and then closes with an absolute masterful production.
>Lots of sparse beats but OC doesn't quite have the charisma of >say a Nas or Eminem to make those tracks work just off rapping >alone. >
I again completely disagree. beats fit his style perfectly on this album.
>There's no 'Time's Up' level iconic cut on here, which I guess >is to be expected since that's a classic single not just by >O.C. but for mid-90's rap in general however I wish I loved >this as an overall album more than I do. >
I can agree with that. but like you said, Time's Up is on the classics of all classics list of hip-hop songs so I can't fault him there.
>It's a pretty good album but certainly not great to me, coulda >used some editing or more variation in tone. >
>When Freddie Foxxx shows up on here it's a Godsend because it >sorta breaks up the singleness of style that this album seems >to at times suffer from.
*shrugs* the album is damn near flawless to me.
I always couple Jewelz and First Family 4 Life together. I burned those two album out when they dropped and I can play them both all the way through.
43. "on the low, DJ Ogee put in work on that album" In response to Reply # 40
"You And Yours" is incredible in every aspect and probably the most slept on song on the album that's the best flip of "A Garden Of Peace" I've ever heard
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I don't think so because he didn't do anything on The Big Picture and I don't think he did anything on the DITC album but I could be wrong on that one.
He did do a joint on Brand Nubian's Foundation album.
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